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On December 16 2015 06:36 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 19:24 ritoky wrote:
if you want me to write the why tt is potentially mafia book it would basically be: he tr shape for good reason (i thought) at proper time and when it was popular, then backed out of it for a bad/no reason when it was popular, was awkward, then has basically snap conceded/fucked off in the face of me wanting to lynch him.
. Yay i'm popular lol. But really, TT didn't IMO pull out at a popular time. In fact, he the first person to pull out of a Town read. Giyga khan, LS, Damdred, Surkit all did it after his post about me. Not defending TT here, just don't understand how this is was the Popular time.
Thank you for posting this Shape, I remember reading this earlier and though the same thing but it slipped my mind.
I'm pretty sure everyone was reading Shape as town when I made that post.
I also really think it's shitty to call me mafia because I went "Oh wait, maybe I was too fast to read this guy as town, here's what I'm noticing..." But apparently tunneling me kus of my Null reads is the thing to do now.
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On December 16 2015 06:45 Koshi wrote:
Yeah what about we shennanies on Kush?
Humm, maybe. I kinda like his "come fight me attitude" but then again that doesn't mean much since he's never really around does it?
What was making you read Gig as town Koshi? (I think you said that earlier)
His vote on me was pretty opportunistic and his progression on it was weird, along with parroting most of not all his scumreads.
I know you didn't like my "case" (it wasn't but w/e) on him, so what did you like about him?
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On December 16 2015 06:50 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 06:49 Tictock wrote:On December 16 2015 06:02 ritoky wrote:On December 16 2015 05:00 Tictock wrote:Oops forgot I wanted to bring up this post real quick then I'm done talking about Rit for the moment. On December 15 2015 13:56 ritoky wrote:
too many people don't have an opinion on who is mafia. too many null reads. everyone should call someone mafia in their next post and stop wasting time pussyfooting. the time for your pointless shitty information gathering questions is past; form some opinions and stop being less useful than me.
shape is town
kush is probably town
not interested in lynching koshi
not interested in lynching damdred
not interested in lynching rels
no girls in the game so dunno LS alignment
tt is probably mafia
gb is underwhelming and should be a potential vote
gig does the whole not delivering on promises shit
every1 else is nai or unremarkable
##vote: glowingbear
i am voting on you to piss you off so that you can shit town on me and then i can lynch tt at the eod. please stop being worse than me, cuz if you're worse than me you're probably mafia. Rit can you talk to me more about your bolded reads here? Kush has made a few okish posts since his open, but what has he done to warrant a townread like this? Why are you saying you need girls to read LS? is this a joke I'm missing, kus it seems really werid to me. Why have you given Rels a free pass but not GB? I don't really recall anything noteworthy from either of them so why is Rels a no lynch but GB a pressure vote? kush - had the tr on me at the right time, had the gb read at the right time, told koochi to go fuck himself. LS - historically women on these forums read him with near 100% accuracy. it isn't a joke or an exaggeration. rels - i coached rels and in doing so i developed a method of reading him, it doesn't work until day 2 or later so i am confident in my ability to discern his alignment late game. Ok w/e about the LS thing, I kinda get you on Rels, but the Kush stuff doesn't make much sense to me, well expect the part about Koshi. This "the right time" feels like shit to me, how do you know the right time? the right time is when i think the exact same thing in my brain at that time.
Ah ok, so it's just a mindmeld thing?
Is that a reliable metric for you?
People are usually never on the same page as me so I rarely get moments like that.
What did you think of what I was pointing out about Gig since I know you saw my post about him?
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On December 16 2015 06:56 ritoky wrote:
idk...that read flip on shape and those 3 posts are pretty fucking awful and probably make you scum....but then you come back and decide to swim up the river of heavy resistance rather than least resistance...then you base half your game on omgusing an obv town....i really have no clue what you're doing if you're town.
If the bolded is referring to you I think you are overstating your townyness.
I think I'm taking my OMGUS into account properly here... I hope.
Besides my read on you has more to do with the way you are reading Shape than me... ehh maybe 60/40.
Why don't we talk about someone other than me for a second though? Like imagine for a moment that I wasn't around and was probably going to be modkilled. Who would you be your backup?
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On December 16 2015 06:59 Damdred wrote:
He's buddying obvious town when usually he would be nit picking everyone and super paranoid of *obvious town*.
he's also trying to use more bullshit reasons and instead of trying to push what he thinks he is taking the path of least resistance.
ie instead of pushing me jumped on kush.
idk if kush is scum granted but its suspicious of rels.
Humm this is actually a decent point.
Game is going fast enough that I'm barely keeping up but I'll take the time to look over Rels in just a min.
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On December 16 2015 07:14 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 07:08 Tictock wrote:On December 16 2015 06:50 ritoky wrote:On December 16 2015 06:49 Tictock wrote:On December 16 2015 06:02 ritoky wrote:On December 16 2015 05:00 Tictock wrote:Oops forgot I wanted to bring up this post real quick then I'm done talking about Rit for the moment. On December 15 2015 13:56 ritoky wrote:
too many people don't have an opinion on who is mafia. too many null reads. everyone should call someone mafia in their next post and stop wasting time pussyfooting. the time for your pointless shitty information gathering questions is past; form some opinions and stop being less useful than me.
shape is town
kush is probably town
not interested in lynching koshi
not interested in lynching damdred
not interested in lynching rels
no girls in the game so dunno LS alignment
tt is probably mafia
gb is underwhelming and should be a potential vote
gig does the whole not delivering on promises shit
every1 else is nai or unremarkable
##vote: glowingbear
i am voting on you to piss you off so that you can shit town on me and then i can lynch tt at the eod. please stop being worse than me, cuz if you're worse than me you're probably mafia. Rit can you talk to me more about your bolded reads here? Kush has made a few okish posts since his open, but what has he done to warrant a townread like this? Why are you saying you need girls to read LS? is this a joke I'm missing, kus it seems really werid to me. Why have you given Rels a free pass but not GB? I don't really recall anything noteworthy from either of them so why is Rels a no lynch but GB a pressure vote? kush - had the tr on me at the right time, had the gb read at the right time, told koochi to go fuck himself. LS - historically women on these forums read him with near 100% accuracy. it isn't a joke or an exaggeration. rels - i coached rels and in doing so i developed a method of reading him, it doesn't work until day 2 or later so i am confident in my ability to discern his alignment late game. Ok w/e about the LS thing, I kinda get you on Rels, but the Kush stuff doesn't make much sense to me, well expect the part about Koshi. This "the right time" feels like shit to me, how do you know the right time? the right time is when i think the exact same thing in my brain at that time. Ah ok, so it's just a mindmeld thing? Is that a reliable metric for you? People are usually never on the same page as me so I rarely get moments like that. What did you think of what I was pointing out about Gig since I know you saw my post about him? if it happens more than once it usually means the person is above 80% chance to be town, reliable enough for me to not vote them d1. imo gig is completely underwhelming and i remember nothing about him off the top of my head other than he said he was gonna do shit and didn't.
Thats not really what I was asking, what about these points?
For those who hate to read, Reasons to scumread Gig.
- Weird progression on me. Scum read on me develops after Rit starts pushing me, drops the read after we talk about something else, then says everyone is null and shortly after is back on me for the same thing Rit was talking about in the first place.
-Multiple times says he's got only Null and Town reads. Mafia tend to have a hard time finding reasons to scumread other players whereas town tends to jump on things that bug them.
-Scumreads all come from other people. He mentions a "lean" on Koshi for a meta he has no experience with (obviously talking about the meta read on Koshi early on), his readon me comes from Rit, the scumread on Rels was from Koshi, and I think (I haven't checked this one) the Shape read comes from Onegu/Sukrit
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On December 16 2015 07:20 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 07:19 Tictock wrote:On December 16 2015 06:59 Damdred wrote:
He's buddying obvious town when usually he would be nit picking everyone and super paranoid of *obvious town*.
he's also trying to use more bullshit reasons and instead of trying to push what he thinks he is taking the path of least resistance.
ie instead of pushing me jumped on kush.
idk if kush is scum granted but its suspicious of rels. Humm this is actually a decent point. Game is going fast enough that I'm barely keeping up but I'll take the time to look over Rels in just a min. How is it scum indicative when I thought deadline was in 10 minutes and nobody wanted to vote Damdred ?
Ok that does make sense, I didn't know you were confused about the deadline.
Also yea, I don't think we should lynch Damdred.
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On December 16 2015 07:25 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 07:17 Tictock wrote:On December 16 2015 06:56 ritoky wrote:
idk...that read flip on shape and those 3 posts are pretty fucking awful and probably make you scum....but then you come back and decide to swim up the river of heavy resistance rather than least resistance...then you base half your game on omgusing an obv town....i really have no clue what you're doing if you're town. If the bolded is referring to you I think you are overstating your townyness. I think I'm taking my OMGUS into account properly here... I hope. Besides my read on you has more to do with the way you are reading Shape than me... ehh maybe 60/40. Why don't we talk about someone other than me for a second though? Like imagine for a moment that I wasn't around and was probably going to be modkilled. Who would you be your backup? i mean i haven't even voted on you, i am voting on gb; so it is clear what my alternative is. and i am not overstating my towniness, i claimed vt. basically why i keep talking about you is i am trying to figure out if you're just mafia or you're going to be "that guy" for me this game. "that guy" refers to the person in the game who i have a burning desire to lynch every phase and must forcibly talk myself out of lynching every phase. this is a very important distinction that could impede my progress of solving this game. outside of you who i want to lynch and gb who i am voting on cuz i expect better from, i have no particular desire of lynch targets. i don't want to lynch koochi, shape, damdred, kush, rels; everyone else i won't be hurt if they disappear.
I thought your GB vote was purely for pressure, ok noted.
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Lol for as bad a post this seemed like at the time it's amazing Rels hit the nail right on the head here.
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Humm, other than the shitty meta cases I'm not seeing anything about Rels that makes me think he's mafia. I know he does these as town too so it's not a sure fire thing.
He kind parroted Rit about me, but other than that he's trying to get his head around the game.
On December 15 2015 19:14 Rels wrote:
TT is a good lynch too. He could be scum. He's not invested in finding scums, contrary to what I'm used from him. He repeats multiple times he doesn't have much time to play.
This is kinda a shit post about me though since I stated pre-game that I was going to be heavily constrained with my time.
Idk other than that I'm tempted to just roll with my initial gut read that Rels is town. Good to keep an eye on how he's making cases and pushing them though.
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I'm not opposed to lynching GB, I do think he is the better lynch between him and Kush (who is at best a coinflip imo).
Last chance for you guys to join me on Gig though...
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Humm, is Vivax going to make any effort at all?
or just sheep koshi...
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On December 16 2015 07:47 Koshi wrote:
I FUCKING HATE MODKILLS DUE TO NOT VOTING?
WHY IS IT A FUCKING RULE? WHY IS IT IMPORTANT THAT YOU VOTE? WHY WOULD YOU AS HOST RUIN THE BALANCE OF YOUR OWN GAME BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS A FUCKING ISSUE AND CAN'T VOTE?????????????????
NOT VOTING DOES FUCKING NOTHING.....................................................................
LET TOWN SOLVE IT FFS AND GO FOR A BAN AFTER THE GAME..
What is this about... it can't be about you and Damdred is around (I think)... so?
TMI?
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Fuck I really want to lynch LS for that now.
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Guys can we lynch LS kus he was TMI about Damdred? I know it's last min but do we have enough?
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Oh lol n/m SOrry Koshi
I fail at reading, I thought it was LS kus of the caps, lol.
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On December 16 2015 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
I honestly rather kill kush over GB atm just because Kush is normally useless as both alignments.
GB wasn't ver yuseful as Town last game either...
Idk I'm wavering here
I think I'm gunna vote GB...
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On December 16 2015 07:56 GlowingBear wrote:
BTW the fact that TT is wasting his vote is pretty suspicious.
Also, just so you guys know: I suddenly thought that Shapelog is Mafia because he started scumreading me for inactivity, but he followed my last game very closely (as he keeps saying how Koshi normally plays based on our last game) and for that reason should completely understand this is within under my town play. I've played exactly like this when I've landed on my new job.
Now he sees Koshi is playing kinda differently and calls him out in the beginning of the game. But now never talks about him. He is town for him now, it seems.
You can add up to that that he was ok with lynching either me or Kush, when we both were going against other and the probability of being Mafia is low. You can argue that he is not doing associative reads but you can see that he does that kind of thing for his early posts, where he sets a Mafia team right away.
I've been trying to get people onto Gig but nobody wants to join me or tell me why they think he;s town.
Now I guess I vote you kus of this and kus you've not done anything noteworthy this game
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Too late I think Damdred, sorry
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Ugh, well that happened >.<
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