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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 15 2015 20:00 GMT
#481
yo I'm there, we shoudl consolidate. Why are people voting for people ? TT I know why and I agree. GB are the things on the others ?
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
December 15 2015 20:05 GMT
#482
On December 16 2015 04:51 Tictock wrote:
Just got home, got out a little early kus it's Blizzarding here.

I'll do the filter dive of Gig I promised Rels and then catchup with what I've missed thus far.

While at work I was thinking about the whole Rit hardreading Shape. It's possible that what he said about "One moment defines a player" is just really how he's approaching this game (I don't recall him ever useing thinking like this before though, so it's weird) but I think it might be an indication that Rit is mafia.

So I know for sure we aren't looking at a Rit/Shape team here, kus I just don't believe Rit would hard defend a teammate like he is. I'm wondering now if the hard townread is a sign of TMI?

Like it dosn't make a ton of sense for Rit to have such a hard townread on Shape if he's town, he even made a post pointing out that Shape was doing some stuff that was stupid or looked bad, it also makes no sense for Rit to hard defend a scummate. However it makes perfect sense for a scum!Rit to hard defend a new-to-our-fourms town!Shape who people might have a hard time reading well. Would give him a nice platform to push from while seeming like he wants to prevent a mislynch.

The other thing that I was thinking about, is why am I the only person to have irked Rit for my read on Shape? I know he posted out his thoughts on why he thought I was scum for rethinking my read but he's given little to no reaction to anyone else scumreading Shape.

I realize my view on Rit is rather tainted with OMGUS kus he has a fordrawn conclusion to lynch me here, and my thinking here is more WIFOM than real evidence but I'm thinking Rit might be scum here. Only thing making me a bit unsure is that Rit is rather invested in his reads (pushing them etc) and cares about the lynch. So right now I'd put Rit as a OMGUS tainted scumlean.


Glad to hear you concern about this as I am. Reason why i unvoted you for now.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 15 2015 20:20 GMT
#483
I think Damdred is scum.

Damdred is not invested in the game, which is already a big indicator.
Damdred usually plays D1 by finding townreads, and lynching the one not in his town list. Here I have the distinct impression he tried to replicate that but failed. He has a couple of easy townreads that are not mostly based on nothing:
On December 14 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 08:29 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:20 Damdred wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:14 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:
Hi I'm a Miller ls, how do I play this?

Miller's aren't aware......... Are you mafia?


My master plan ruined thanks to you ls. You caught me.

Good. Now can you tell me who else is mafia with you?


You obviously!

Though shape is a good chance at town

On December 15 2015 05:07 Damdred wrote:
Games not to bad I have a few ok town reads so far I'll post more when I get home.

On December 15 2015 07:15 Damdred wrote:
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On December 15 2015 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry I been conserving my posts a little bit more as I had 1 page of posts already so I trying to limit myself a little bit now. But Koshi pretty much town for me atm. Also Damdred if you are here can you give me your thoughts on TT or other The smurf guy please?


I'm a bit behind tbh but my initial gut was town on Tt other idk yet

On December 15 2015 09:59 Damdred wrote:
For the record ls is town this game, tone/actions and how he does the game totally point to it. I'll go to war over this read.

His only posts that are a little big are about how to read Koshi, which is something completely unrelated to scumhunting:
On December 14 2015 09:48 Damdred wrote:
It's honestly be the most helpful to everyone if you basically ignored koshi for the first 24 and see what kind of smart things he says and then make a decision going into,the lynch. If you keep badgering him about low posting you will just have a horrendous amount of non information.

Tt I think ls is town should I get my head checked?

On December 14 2015 10:30 Damdred wrote:
Let me tell you why you are totally wrong in how you are approaching koshi.

1) you say that koshi is going to be super lazy and you are content voting him because that's his scum meta.

In actuality you are right about his meta but dead wrong in your interpretation of what koshi said. If you read koshis post he clearly states he's going to focus on building cases and finding mafia. A clearly different thing especially since generally cases take a decent bit of effort which scum koshi lacks.

2) you say my post is terrible because you read koshi on his d1. Though you correct yourself by saying I said 24 hours.

In actuality I a aid we shouldn't bother koshi so that we can see what he comes up with. Since you know he said he would focus on cases and finding scum instead of spamming the thread.

....like I said give koshi space and some time see what he comes up with.


Finally, there is no list post that Damdred uses for finding scums by POE with his townreads, especially on D1. For comparaison, here are the kind of posts I expected from Damdred (from Really Small Mafia II and Dark Tournament Mafia in which he flipped town).
Really Small Mafia II, 12 hours into D1:
On December 12 2015 20:15 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 12 2015 15:18 Damdred wrote:
Eh screw it I'm awake so I'll post.

Rs/Art go after Darth in what amounts to there opening post and follow up post. While I don't think its out of the scope of what they could do as scum going after dp so fast is something I don't really consider either of them to do.

It seems to me its more motivated at this instance coming from town trying to catch someone on a meta irregularity that they feel. It isn't quite the gorcha moment to total town read but it makes sense and fives me somewhat town feelings motive wise.

yes, this makes sense to me aswell.

I think your read on Greymist is not really based on good reasoning Damdred. I believe in this game there are zero players who can be considered either alignment based on the tone of the posts, as we are all experienced enough to fake it. I think it's as possible that Greymist started the game joking with you as scum than it is that he did it as town.


I'd probably agree with the part on my greymist post. I'm not hard town reading him at this point.

like it sort of looks like this

Damdred
Rayn

probably town
Rsoultin/art
Darth

liking them
greymist

?
Marv
Rels


Dark Tournament, 25 hours into D1:
On December 02 2015 09:36 Damdred wrote:
Disinformation
Eels
Damdred
Shining
Palmar

Leans
Trfel
Fid (falling)
Ls

Honestly it's notso bad so far even though I've read 0 filters.


I think Damdred is scum.
##Unvote
##Vote Damdred
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 15 2015 20:24 GMT
#484
I also heavily dislike tubesock. Almost only questions and no direction in his filter. His only scumread is I, and it's a non-assumed vote:
On December 15 2015 15:45 Tubesock wrote:
I didn't notice the time change. I think LightningStrike kinda falls into the Chezinu Rule (weird posters get attacked by mafia since they are so easy to lynch). I really didn't like how he came in scummed LS and bailed. Koshi has good points on him too. Plus, maybe he will spew townbows.

##Vote: Rels

Just sheeping giygas and this little sentence: "Plus, maybe he will spew townbows." I don't like that.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 15 2015 20:26 GMT
#485
Reading the thread I had these as town

Town
LS
Shape
sukrit

Maybe town
Koshi
ritoky

I would lynch TT Damdred or TS right now. giygas wasn't as bad as I thought. The others I have no idea atm.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 15 2015 20:29 GMT
#486
LS I think you're around, can you give me your thoughts on Damdred based on the above post ?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 15 2015 20:29 GMT
#487
That's pretty ok. I think TS is town though. Not sure. It was pretty bad how he kept repeating the same 2 reads over and over, but LS asked him right after he gave them the first time so w.e...
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 15 2015 20:30 GMT
#488
Damdred is flying way under the radar though. I should have noticed that. Good on you Rels!
I had a good night of sleep.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 15 2015 20:31 GMT
#489
On December 16 2015 05:30 Koshi wrote:
Damdred is flying way under the radar though. I should have noticed that. Good on you Rels!

Yep it's quite different from the two last games I played. I think he has a good chance at flipping scum.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 15 2015 20:31 GMT
#490
Ok. Rels is officially not mafia at all. Never ever.
I had a good night of sleep.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 15 2015 20:32 GMT
#491
On December 16 2015 05:31 Koshi wrote:
Ok. Rels is officially not mafia at all. Never ever.

I feel officially buddied.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
December 15 2015 20:32 GMT
#492
Oh yeah wasn't he suppose to drop a bomb or something? even wrote him down in my notes as Null until bomb.
Maybe he ment a real bomb. But i am not watching the news for it.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 15 2015 20:34 GMT
#493
Damdred his scumgame is better than this though. He is really good at it. So there are time restrictions at play either alignment. Hmm not sure if I want to lynch him. He is pretty on point in those few posts. He is just not solving anything... It is pure lack of solving the game that makes him mafia right?
I had a good night of sleep.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
December 15 2015 20:34 GMT
#494
On December 16 2015 05:31 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 05:30 Koshi wrote:
Damdred is flying way under the radar though. I should have noticed that. Good on you Rels!

Yep it's quite different from the two last games I played. I think he has a good chance at flipping scum.


Far fetched Miller idea was half correct?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 15 2015 20:36 GMT
#495
On December 16 2015 05:32 Shapelog wrote:
Oh yeah wasn't he suppose to drop a bomb or something? even wrote him down in my notes as Null until bomb.
Maybe he ment a real bomb. But i am not watching the news for it.

Yep that's true. When I was scum with Damdred in sotw he posted several times he was going to do stuff and didn't.
On December 15 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:
Ls why should I not vote you ^^. Will be home to read and bomb soon

Thing #1 that was not done.

On December 16 2015 01:29 Damdred wrote:
Ok so I fell asleep and just woke up.

give me three filters to read and I'll find acum if there is between them!

Besides ls, koshi they are hard town reads atm.

Thing #2 that was not done.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 15 2015 20:38 GMT
#496
Humm GiygaS might be a solid lynch today actually.

On December 15 2015 02:58 GiygaS wrote:
Thanks for NAI help.

Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 22:57 Shapelog wrote:
When Giyga posts two questions about him, TT becomes defensive and ask why Giyga was fixated on Damred. Kinda of a weird thing to do this early. I would of seen how my town lean would of reacted to the questions and then go on from there. Instead, he loses this chance and deters Giyga from Damred for the time being.


This is only true if I was that focused on Damdred in the first place. The first was only because I was initially confused why he posted the miller claim. The second was because I just didn't agree with his reasoning and wanted to point it out, it wasn't because I had a scum read on him.

I'll reread tt filter and see, but all I have is null or town reads on everyone, except a tiny lean on Koshi from meta that I haven't even experienced.


So here is the 2nd time Gig responds to why he was talking about Damdred in his first 2 posts, which is a bit odd as in the post he's responding too Shape was talking about me getting defensive of Damdred and pinging out Gig's first 2 posts not talking to Gig at all. Shows he's being rather defensive of those posts for no real reason.

I'm also noting the Bolded line where he says everyone is null or town to him. The next part about Koshi is really weird, he just says a "lean" (I assume scumlean) on Koshi but for a meta he hasn't experienced. Unless you really trust the person making the meta argument I don't get why you would let a meta read you have no experience with influence your reads.

Next he throws a vote on me with a townread on Rit.
On December 15 2015 04:09 GiygaS wrote:
Woops forgot vote. I'll add I have a town read on ritoky as well since his posts have been short but decently high quality.

##Vote ticktock


This really looks to me like it could be mafia hopping on a bandwagon, he doesn't make a read on me himself but rather declares Rit is town and then votes with him (not literally since Rit wasn't voting then, but you know what I mean).

It's really interesting then how Gig unvotes me almost right after.
On December 15 2015 06:48 GiygaS wrote:
##Unvote tictock

He's swapped back to null for me, will look over more when I get home from studying.


The unvote came after I answered Gig's questions regarding my questions to him early on. Which would imply that those questions were why Gig was scumreading me, not the case Rit made.

Gig's next post:
On December 15 2015 10:38 GiygaS wrote:
Home from studying. Since I'm in the note-taking mood I'm going to go through the thread again writing in a notebook to organize my thoughts a bit. I'll keep looking at the newer posts though so I'll be around. So far have null or town reads on everybody, but hoping to change that within the next 2-ish hours.


Talks about putting effort into some note taking, reads are again all town or null.

NAI stuff happens with RL, then after he returns.

On December 15 2015 14:36 GiygaS wrote:
Finished reading through and writing general notes. Going to go through filters and hang around still. Current scum reads are on tt (again, I really don't like that list of townread retraction with NAI stuff) and shape (holy shit that random asslist in to weird sukrit fos). Might get some more/less post-filters, but we'll see.

For the record, my name has been spelled 9 different ways, so that's pretty neat. Also, these posts :D

Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 13:40 Sukrit wrote:
Onegu hacked ritokys' account?^


Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 23:28 Koshi wrote:
On December 14 2015 23:24 Shapelog wrote:
If that is Onegu I will do a shot and watch as Koshi calls him cancer . Then just read other peoples posts responding to it.

No. This Onegu I could fall in love with. Therefore, if this would be Onegu I would kill Onegu for being Onegu in the past.

I love this new meta of mine with all these content rich posts.



Scum reads me again kus of same post Rit is going on about and adds in Shape and later talks about Rels' LS meta read and votes him. I'm not sure what caused him to move back to me over Rels kus I'm not caught up just yet, but I'll keep an eye out for it as I plan to get caught up next.

For those who hate to read, Reasons to scumread Gig.

- Weird progression on me. Scum read on me develops after Rit starts pushing me, drops the read after we talk about something else, then says everyone is null and shortly after is back on me for the same thing Rit was talking about in the first place.

-Multiple times says he's got only Null and Town reads. Mafia tend to have a hard time finding reasons to scumread other players whereas town tends to jump on things that bug them.

-Scumreads all come from other people. He mentions a "lean" on Koshi for a meta he has no experience with (obviously talking about the meta read on Koshi early on), his readon me comes from Rit, the scumread on Rels was from Koshi, and I think (I haven't checked this one) the Shape read comes from Onegu/Sukrit

I think Gig is probably Mafia based on this.

##Vote: GiygaS
I can take that responsibility.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
December 15 2015 20:38 GMT
#497
I do not know about his meta or playstyle. But the fact he said he will bomb 20 hours ago and came on 4 hours ago seems weird. Could he not Bomb then? Was he not done with Bomb? Was Bomb a lie or something so people think he was following him meta?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 15 2015 20:38 GMT
#498
On December 16 2015 05:34 Koshi wrote:
Damdred his scumgame is better than this though. He is really good at it. So there are time restrictions at play either alignment. Hmm not sure if I want to lynch him. He is pretty on point in those few posts. He is just not solving anything... It is pure lack of solving the game that makes him mafia right?

Look at his half assed townreads he's posting, compared for example to what he usually does to create discussion.
This game:
On December 14 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 08:29 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:20 Damdred wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:14 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:
Hi I'm a Miller ls, how do I play this?

Miller's aren't aware......... Are you mafia?


My master plan ruined thanks to you ls. You caught me.

Good. Now can you tell me who else is mafia with you?


You obviously!

Though shape is a good chance at town

On December 14 2015 09:48 Damdred wrote:
It's honestly be the most helpful to everyone if you basically ignored koshi for the first 24 and see what kind of smart things he says and then make a decision going into,the lynch. If you keep badgering him about low posting you will just have a horrendous amount of non information.

Tt I think ls is town should I get my head checked?

On December 15 2015 07:15 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry I been conserving my posts a little bit more as I had 1 page of posts already so I trying to limit myself a little bit now. But Koshi pretty much town for me atm. Also Damdred if you are here can you give me your thoughts on TT or other The smurf guy please?


I'm a bit behind tbh but my initial gut was town on Tt other idk yet

Super Mini Mafia II:
On December 12 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:
There's two reasons why I like greymist both are shitty to a degree one more so than the last.

The most simple and superficial reason was that after a super rough week he made me chuckle and put me in a good mood in the game.

The second shitty reason was he answered my question in a way that wasn't over confident in how he approached me or rather betraying a knowledge he shouldn't have.

Both are nai but it's a place to start liking someone

On December 12 2015 15:18 Damdred wrote:
Eh screw it I'm awake so I'll post.

Rs/Art go after Darth in what amounts to there opening post and follow up post. While I don't think its out of the scope of what they could do as scum going after dp so fast is something I don't really consider either of them to do.

It seems to me its more motivated at this instance coming from town trying to catch someone on a meta irregularity that they feel. It isn't quite the gorcha moment to total town read but it makes sense and fives me somewhat town feelings motive wise.

Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 15 2015 20:40 GMT
#499
If TT is mafia, damdred is kinda auto town though.
On December 14 2015 16:59 Tictock wrote:
Ok gave this game a quick reread now that I'm home and not being distracted or as constrained on time.

Damdred is prob town for the Miller thing, plus he made a good point about meta-ing Koshi (or rather not rushing to meta Koshi). Easy start to a townpile.

Gunna retract my town read on Shape from earlier, though I think I just need to see more out of him.
Scummy Stuff: Jumped on the LS vote real fast, applying meta based on one game, kinda all over the place with reads
Towny Stuff: Throwing out lots of thoughts/ideas, engaged, not concerned with how his suggestions make him look


@Shape, have you read other games or just Haunted Mansion?
Also welcome to the forums!

On December 14 2015 17:03 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 14:13 GiygaS wrote:
Just getting in, question for Dam. Why did you make that post claiming Miller?


Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 14:29 GiygaS wrote:
On December 14 2015 10:30 Damdred wrote:
Let me tell you why you are totally wrong in how you are approaching koshi.

1) you say that koshi is going to be super lazy and you are content voting him because that's his scum meta.

In actuality you are right about his meta but dead wrong in your interpretation of what koshi said. If you read koshis post he clearly states he's going to focus on building cases and finding mafia. A clearly different thing especially since generally cases take a decent bit of effort which scum koshi lacks.


Koshi then immediately back tracked by saying that his posts were going to be low content and possibly trash. How is his interpretation of that wrong?


Not sure why you are fixated on Damdred.

Do you have any thoughts on how LS (or anyone else) reacted to Damdred's claim?

Whats your opinion oh Shape?

These posts from TT are kinda iffy.

Literally every post of TT is somewhat off.

1) The post on Kush that is serious / jokey
2) The townread on Shape, into retraction, into townread again because ritoky says so
3) The scumread on ritoky is based on "having the same feeling like with GB last game", but GB was town? dafuq?
4) Now he is really trowing all eggs in the ritoky is mafia basket.
5) early game he had too many weak townreads and found nothing scummy, or didn't jump on anything.


jsut some points I quickly recall
I had a good night of sleep.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 15 2015 20:40 GMT
#500
I here I was doing a podcast of Dark Tournament so sorry about that. Yes it's strange that Damdred haven't posted much but I don't recall him posting that much in a post restrictive game(Carol) but it been a long time since that game. Also he could be busy irl for all we know.
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