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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 15 2015 21:10 GMT
#521
On December 16 2015 04:20 Vivax wrote:
I have no brain power for this game today,ill sheep Koshi


Super late to the party, eh?

Why Koshi?
I can take that responsibility.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 15 2015 21:12 GMT
#522
On December 16 2015 06:02 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 05:00 Tictock wrote:
Oops forgot I wanted to bring up this post real quick then I'm done talking about Rit for the moment.

On December 15 2015 13:56 ritoky wrote:
too many people don't have an opinion on who is mafia. too many null reads. everyone should call someone mafia in their next post and stop wasting time pussyfooting. the time for your pointless shitty information gathering questions is past; form some opinions and stop being less useful than me.

shape is town
kush is probably town
not interested in lynching koshi
not interested in lynching damdred
not interested in lynching rels
no girls in the game so dunno LS alignment

tt is probably mafia
gb is underwhelming and should be a potential vote
gig does the whole not delivering on promises shit
every1 else is nai or unremarkable

##vote: glowingbear

i am voting on you to piss you off so that you can shit town on me and then i can lynch tt at the eod. please stop being worse than me, cuz if you're worse than me you're probably mafia.


Rit can you talk to me more about your bolded reads here?

Kush has made a few okish posts since his open, but what has he done to warrant a townread like this?

Why are you saying you need girls to read LS? is this a joke I'm missing, kus it seems really werid to me.

Why have you given Rels a free pass but not GB? I don't really recall anything noteworthy from either of them so why is Rels a no lynch but GB a pressure vote?


kush - had the tr on me at the right time, had the gb read at the right time, told koochi to go fuck himself.

LS - historically women on these forums read him with near 100% accuracy. it isn't a joke or an exaggeration.

rels - i coached rels and in doing so i developed a method of reading him, it doesn't work until day 2 or later so i am confident in my ability to discern his alignment late game.

On December 15 2015 21:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 18:42 ritoky wrote:
because him saying shit like that to pocket LS for the entire game as mafia isn't outside of his wheel house. and from my experience only women on TL have the magical 100% LS read that you always trust. so unless damdred suddenly became a lesbian...

I had fooled HTS and Tina(rsoultin) once in JOAT already when I had rolled scum and they townread me. Also Damdred does know how to read me very well except when he's scum ofc. In both of his scum games vs me before I took a break from mafia, Damdred called me scum for stuff that didn't make me scum.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 15 2015 21:14 GMT
#523
On December 16 2015 05:20 Rels wrote:
I think Damdred is scum.

Damdred is not invested in the game, which is already a big indicator.
Damdred usually plays D1 by finding townreads, and lynching the one not in his town list. Here I have the distinct impression he tried to replicate that but failed. He has a couple of easy townreads that are not mostly based on nothing:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:29 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:20 Damdred wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:14 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:
Hi I'm a Miller ls, how do I play this?

Miller's aren't aware......... Are you mafia?


My master plan ruined thanks to you ls. You caught me.

Good. Now can you tell me who else is mafia with you?


You obviously!

Though shape is a good chance at town

Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 05:07 Damdred wrote:
Games not to bad I have a few ok town reads so far I'll post more when I get home.

Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 07:15 Damdred wrote:
On December 15 2015 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry I been conserving my posts a little bit more as I had 1 page of posts already so I trying to limit myself a little bit now. But Koshi pretty much town for me atm. Also Damdred if you are here can you give me your thoughts on TT or other The smurf guy please?


I'm a bit behind tbh but my initial gut was town on Tt other idk yet

Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 09:59 Damdred wrote:
For the record ls is town this game, tone/actions and how he does the game totally point to it. I'll go to war over this read.

His only posts that are a little big are about how to read Koshi, which is something completely unrelated to scumhunting:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 09:48 Damdred wrote:
It's honestly be the most helpful to everyone if you basically ignored koshi for the first 24 and see what kind of smart things he says and then make a decision going into,the lynch. If you keep badgering him about low posting you will just have a horrendous amount of non information.

Tt I think ls is town should I get my head checked?

Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 10:30 Damdred wrote:
Let me tell you why you are totally wrong in how you are approaching koshi.

1) you say that koshi is going to be super lazy and you are content voting him because that's his scum meta.

In actuality you are right about his meta but dead wrong in your interpretation of what koshi said. If you read koshis post he clearly states he's going to focus on building cases and finding mafia. A clearly different thing especially since generally cases take a decent bit of effort which scum koshi lacks.

2) you say my post is terrible because you read koshi on his d1. Though you correct yourself by saying I said 24 hours.

In actuality I a aid we shouldn't bother koshi so that we can see what he comes up with. Since you know he said he would focus on cases and finding scum instead of spamming the thread.

....like I said give koshi space and some time see what he comes up with.


Finally, there is no list post that Damdred uses for finding scums by POE with his townreads, especially on D1. For comparaison, here are the kind of posts I expected from Damdred (from Really Small Mafia II and Dark Tournament Mafia in which he flipped town).
Really Small Mafia II, 12 hours into D1:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 20:15 Damdred wrote:
On December 12 2015 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 12 2015 15:18 Damdred wrote:
Eh screw it I'm awake so I'll post.

Rs/Art go after Darth in what amounts to there opening post and follow up post. While I don't think its out of the scope of what they could do as scum going after dp so fast is something I don't really consider either of them to do.

It seems to me its more motivated at this instance coming from town trying to catch someone on a meta irregularity that they feel. It isn't quite the gorcha moment to total town read but it makes sense and fives me somewhat town feelings motive wise.

yes, this makes sense to me aswell.

I think your read on Greymist is not really based on good reasoning Damdred. I believe in this game there are zero players who can be considered either alignment based on the tone of the posts, as we are all experienced enough to fake it. I think it's as possible that Greymist started the game joking with you as scum than it is that he did it as town.


I'd probably agree with the part on my greymist post. I'm not hard town reading him at this point.

like it sort of looks like this

Damdred
Rayn

probably town
Rsoultin/art
Darth

liking them
greymist

?
Marv
Rels


Dark Tournament, 25 hours into D1:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 09:36 Damdred wrote:
Disinformation
Eels
Damdred
Shining
Palmar

Leans
Trfel
Fid (falling)
Ls

Honestly it's notso bad so far even though I've read 0 filters.


I think Damdred is scum.
##Unvote
##Vote Damdred


Rels you really use meta reads way too much.

I do agree Damdred has dropped off a fair bit... idk he still seems more involved than he was in SoW2. Maybe I'll give a look into him if I have time, but I've seen nothing to actually make me suspect him.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 15 2015 21:18 GMT
#524
On December 16 2015 05:36 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 05:32 Shapelog wrote:
Oh yeah wasn't he suppose to drop a bomb or something? even wrote him down in my notes as Null until bomb.
Maybe he ment a real bomb. But i am not watching the news for it.

Yep that's true. When I was scum with Damdred in sotw he posted several times he was going to do stuff and didn't.
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:
Ls why should I not vote you ^^. Will be home to read and bomb soon

Thing #1 that was not done.

Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 01:29 Damdred wrote:
Ok so I fell asleep and just woke up.

give me three filters to read and I'll find acum if there is between them!

Besides ls, koshi they are hard town reads atm.

Thing #2 that was not done.


Humm I did forget about this..

and @ Koshi, check Damdred's scum game in SoW2, he was playing in multiple games and did the lurker thing as scum. Not sure he would do that again so soon but he was playing in another game when this one started... But then that's weird kus he was more active then...
I can take that responsibility.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 21:21 GMT
#525
why rit is mafia and gig is mafia case before reading and analyzing thread?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 15 2015 21:24 GMT
#526
On December 16 2015 05:49 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 02:40 Shapelog wrote:
Btw Sukrits post about me and Scum Team QT made me remember my far fetch theory about Ritoky.

Fair fetch Theroy: (Spoilers)
+ Show Spoiler +

Ok so Ritoky has been defending me all game and calling me confirmed town is weird. I know i am town, but i do not think i have posted anything that makes me confirmed town. And all he does and says derps to defend me.
When TT retakes his town read on me, Rit retakes his read on TT. He seems hellbent on defending me. With only reasoning being "oh hes derping thats town, Next level stuff." IDK maybe he likes me.

OR maybe he is scum. He knows i'm town if he is mafia and make it seem like mafia defending mafia. Then i'll get lynch for the consent defense and flip town, it will bring him tons of town cred. I know this is far fetch but it makes sense. Why else would he be defending me so hard? Why read into my dumbness?



I see our tinfoil is set to the same frequency sir.

What do you make of the fact that Rit only cares about me rethinking my read on you, but doesn't really bother with anyone else who isn't sure about you, or even scumreads you?


He defended me against surkit so it is not just you. He also went against TS about his read about me. It doesn't make sense to defend me, unless he has something to gain from it.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 15 2015 21:25 GMT
#527
On December 16 2015 05:29 Koshi wrote:
That's pretty ok. I think TS is town though. Not sure. It was pretty bad how he kept repeating the same 2 reads over and over, but LS asked him right after he gave them the first time so w.e...

Can you expand on why he's town ?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22377 Posts
December 15 2015 21:27 GMT
#528
Fyi I'll just follow Koshis vote from now on I still have work to do until midnight, sadly.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 15 2015 21:27 GMT
#529
On December 16 2015 06:21 ritoky wrote:
why rit is mafia and gig is mafia case before reading and analyzing thread?


He said he thought about during work or something (at least for you, dunno about giygas khan).
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 15 2015 21:29 GMT
#530
On December 16 2015 05:40 Koshi wrote:

1) The post on Kush that is serious / jokey
2) The townread on Shape, into retraction, into townread again because ritoky says so
3) The scumread on ritoky is based on "having the same feeling like with GB last game", but GB was town? dafuq?
4) Now he is really trowing all eggs in the ritoky is mafia basket.
5) early game he had too many weak townreads and found nothing scummy, or didn't jump on anything.


jsut some points I quickly recall


1) What was wrong with it? I didn't like his opening as he was talking about a lot of different things, making excuses, and throws out a vote out of nowhere. I found his "reasons" for voting Rit funny though.

2) I don't give a shit about Rit's read (other than it's weird it's so strong), I thought Shape might be town, reread and saw some stuff that made me pause, and based on his responses and continued posting decided I was overreacting to NAI stuff.

3) More of a null/scum lean than a real scumread. His reads are a little weird and some tinfoil thoughts make sense for him being mafia but I'd want to see his responses to my questions before I get more into that read.

4) Total BS, I'm not at all sure Rit is mafia here, he could well be town tunneled on me just like GB was last game. It's the reads stuff that is making me wonder.

5) So? I've been playing more to the style of finding town first then figuring out mafia from the remaining pool of players. I've also had hardly any time to play since this game started and all almost all my posts till today were made while at work on mobile.
I can take that responsibility.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 15 2015 21:34 GMT
#531
OK I read GB's filter and I understand the votes on him. I don't want to lynch him though 'cause the way he posts reads seems carefree about the consequences, which is not what I expect from an experienced scum, but more from a "I don't care" townie.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
December 15 2015 21:35 GMT
#532
Day 1 Vote Count


Tictock (3): Sukrit, GiygaS, GiygaS, Koshi, Shapelog, Vivax
GlowingBear (2): kushm4sta, ritoky
Rels (1): Tubesock, GiygaS
kushm4sta (1): Koshi, GlowingBear
Koshi (1): Sukrit, Sukrit
Damdred (1): Rels
GigyaS (1): Koshi, Rels, TicTock
Shapelog (0): Sukrit
Sukrit (0): Shapelog, Koshi
ritoky (0): kushm4sta
LightningStrike (0): Sukrit, Koshi, Shapelog, Rels

Not voted (3): Damdred, LightningStrike, Shapelog

The Stahlbaums will exterminate Tictock tonight.
Day 1 ends in on 23:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes in the voting thread will be counted.
Please mind the deadline. Failure to vote will result in a modkill.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 15 2015 21:36 GMT
#533
On December 15 2015 19:24 ritoky wrote:
if you want me to write the why tt is potentially mafia book it would basically be: he tr shape for good reason (i thought) at proper time and when it was popular, then backed out of it for a bad/no reason when it was popular, was awkward, then has basically snap conceded/fucked off in the face of me wanting to lynch him.
.


Yay i'm popular lol. But really, TT didn't IMO pull out at a popular time. In fact, he the first person to pull out of a Town read. Giyga khan, LS, Damdred, Surkit all did it after his post about me. Not defending TT here, just don't understand how this is was the Popular time.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 15 2015 21:38 GMT
#534
Tubesock doesn't really seem to be mafia. Nothing triggers for me reading his filter. Looks like he is having fun? And he did play in the moment when he was here...

Not that his play his brilliant, but I don't see mafia in it.
I had a good night of sleep.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 15 2015 21:38 GMT
#535
On December 16 2015 05:47 Koshi wrote:
TickTock,
Last game you proved that you are able to tunnel like a motherfucker and that you can find mafia treats in the game very easily. Why are you so lackluster here?

I am reading this case, I already read it twice, and there is not the same conviction coming from it like you had last game with GB. Not at all.

Any reason for that?

(18 left)


Being tunneled on Town all of last game kinda makes me want to try and tone that down some.

Honestly the biggest difference is that this game seems to have a lot more going on than the last game and I'm not very sure on my scumreads atm. I feel pretty good about my townreads though.

I don't remember how much time I sunk into last D1 but I think it was easily twice as much time as I have now. Reading filters in isolation is also not the way I prefer to make my reads but that's what I got out of reading Gig's.

It also really sucks having Tube and Vivax only joining the game now as I'd prefer to have a better sense of all the players in this game, but I'm not sure there's much of anything to go on for those 2. Rels is kinda in this boat as well, but mostly just kus i haven't read him very closly yet. My initial gut read on him was that he wasn't trying to bust out the tryhard mode I see him use as mafia a lot and that would make him town. His last case on Damdred feels more like something I'd see from scum!Rels though, so I should relook at him.
I can take that responsibility.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 15 2015 21:40 GMT
#536
On December 16 2015 06:38 Koshi wrote:
Tubesock doesn't really seem to be mafia. Nothing triggers for me reading his filter. Looks like he is having fun? And he did play in the moment when he was here...

Not that his play his brilliant, but I don't see mafia in it.

OK, going to see what he does when he comes back.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 15 2015 21:40 GMT
#537
OK I don't want to lynch TT.
Damdred and kush are my options.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 15 2015 21:40 GMT
#538
On December 16 2015 05:54 Koshi wrote:
It literally cannot be solid unless you think I am mafia, and you agree you are mafia. He didn't say anything else. Some stuff about shape as well.

(15 left)

I am going to vote you and see what happens. I will reread you filter if you flip town. I think there are too many reasons for you to be mafia. And I also think that you don't have enough votes for the amount of people saying you are mafia.
Not the best reason but you got like 3 votes or something.


I'm not talking about his reads, I mean the way he is posting, talking about stuff, and pushing people. "Play" encompasses a lot more than reads.
I can take that responsibility.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 15 2015 21:41 GMT
#539
Mods want me to vote + Show Spoiler +
20 mins to go, I think i can hold off for a bit.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 15 2015 21:42 GMT
#540
unvote:
vote: GlowingBear


Dnu. Don't want TT out. Content keeps flowing out. I'll keep him and GB is a liability.


Some shitty modkills incoming as well? I hate modkills. Just cheapens the set-up/game/balance
I had a good night of sleep.
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