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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 09:42 GMT
#378
because him saying shit like that to pocket LS for the entire game as mafia isn't outside of his wheel house. and from my experience only women on TL have the magical 100% LS read that you always trust. so unless damdred suddenly became a lesbian...
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 09:54 GMT
#383
real men hold shift, if your pinky doesn't hurt from pressing it so hard at the end then you're not raging right.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 10:24 GMT
#393
if you want me to write the why is kush potentially mafia book it would basically be: he makes good reads that are definitive at the proper time too frequently and probably is a result of extra information. i currently have a lack of desire to go down that rabbit hole cuz he called me town and too right thus scum isn't usually a good day 1 lunchable. also he did a game winning impression of me that i loved.

if you want me to write the why tt is potentially mafia book it would basically be: he tr shape for good reason (i thought) at proper time and when it was popular, then backed out of it for a bad/no reason when it was popular, was awkward, then has basically snap conceded/fucked off in the face of me wanting to lynch him.

if you want me to write the why gb is potentially mafia book it would basically be: he was supposed to yell at me or try to tickle my emotions when i was voting on him and he didn't. also i don't know who he wants to lynch or sheep. he lacks coherent direction or feeling. cold gb is not having fun gb. not having fun gb usually results from having shitty mafia teammates.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 10:28 GMT
#394
i blame my daughter for me reaching 2 pages of filter and typing somewhat useful piles of garbage.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 10:35 GMT
#396
On December 15 2015 19:31 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 19:24 ritoky wrote:
if you want me to write the why is kush potentially mafia book it would basically be: he makes good reads that are definitive at the proper time too frequently and probably is a result of extra information. i currently have a lack of desire to go down that rabbit hole cuz he called me town and too right thus scum isn't usually a good day 1 lunchable. also he did a game winning impression of me that i loved.

The only townread he posted was on you being obviously town, what do you mean he's right "too frequently" ?
Do you think his reason for townreading you ("his long post where he sounds paranoid") was bad ?


hey rels, i wanna sell you a brand new car for only $500.

+ Show Spoiler +
there's a catch


that's the read. let that blow your mind for an hour while i sleep for 40 minutes and get woken up again cuz babies don't like changes in their local environment and the oddly strong smell of lavender.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 10:45 GMT
#398
On December 15 2015 19:38 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 19:35 ritoky wrote:
On December 15 2015 19:31 Rels wrote:
On December 15 2015 19:24 ritoky wrote:
if you want me to write the why is kush potentially mafia book it would basically be: he makes good reads that are definitive at the proper time too frequently and probably is a result of extra information. i currently have a lack of desire to go down that rabbit hole cuz he called me town and too right thus scum isn't usually a good day 1 lunchable. also he did a game winning impression of me that i loved.

The only townread he posted was on you being obviously town, what do you mean he's right "too frequently" ?
Do you think his reason for townreading you ("his long post where he sounds paranoid") was bad ?


hey rels, i wanna sell you a brand new car for only $500.

+ Show Spoiler +
there's a catch


that's the read. let that blow your mind for an hour while i sleep for 40 minutes and get woken up again cuz babies don't like changes in their local environment and the oddly strong smell of lavender.

I don't understand one "he makes good reads that are definitive at the proper time too frequently" can refer to only one read ?


gb, me, gigays, response to koochi. plz click filter b4 needling about pointless things.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 21:02 GMT
#515
On December 16 2015 05:00 Tictock wrote:
Oops forgot I wanted to bring up this post real quick then I'm done talking about Rit for the moment.

Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 13:56 ritoky wrote:
too many people don't have an opinion on who is mafia. too many null reads. everyone should call someone mafia in their next post and stop wasting time pussyfooting. the time for your pointless shitty information gathering questions is past; form some opinions and stop being less useful than me.

shape is town
kush is probably town
not interested in lynching koshi
not interested in lynching damdred
not interested in lynching rels
no girls in the game so dunno LS alignment

tt is probably mafia
gb is underwhelming and should be a potential vote
gig does the whole not delivering on promises shit
every1 else is nai or unremarkable

##vote: glowingbear

i am voting on you to piss you off so that you can shit town on me and then i can lynch tt at the eod. please stop being worse than me, cuz if you're worse than me you're probably mafia.


Rit can you talk to me more about your bolded reads here?

Kush has made a few okish posts since his open, but what has he done to warrant a townread like this?

Why are you saying you need girls to read LS? is this a joke I'm missing, kus it seems really werid to me.

Why have you given Rels a free pass but not GB? I don't really recall anything noteworthy from either of them so why is Rels a no lynch but GB a pressure vote?


kush - had the tr on me at the right time, had the gb read at the right time, told koochi to go fuck himself.

LS - historically women on these forums read him with near 100% accuracy. it isn't a joke or an exaggeration.

rels - i coached rels and in doing so i developed a method of reading him, it doesn't work until day 2 or later so i am confident in my ability to discern his alignment late game.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 21:04 GMT
#517
no clue, i generally don't read a thing damdred types until night 1 because my soul read doesn't really work until then.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 21:09 GMT
#520
On December 16 2015 06:05 Rels wrote:
Can you read page 25 and read what I've posted on him ? 'cause I don't feel he's town here.


it might be right, it might not. it has nothing to do with how i read him and i know how i read him works for me above a 90% clip, so gonna stick to it.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 21:21 GMT
#525
why rit is mafia and gig is mafia case before reading and analyzing thread?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 21:50 GMT
#555
On December 16 2015 06:49 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 06:02 ritoky wrote:
On December 16 2015 05:00 Tictock wrote:
Oops forgot I wanted to bring up this post real quick then I'm done talking about Rit for the moment.

On December 15 2015 13:56 ritoky wrote:
too many people don't have an opinion on who is mafia. too many null reads. everyone should call someone mafia in their next post and stop wasting time pussyfooting. the time for your pointless shitty information gathering questions is past; form some opinions and stop being less useful than me.

shape is town
kush is probably town
not interested in lynching koshi
not interested in lynching damdred
not interested in lynching rels
no girls in the game so dunno LS alignment

tt is probably mafia
gb is underwhelming and should be a potential vote
gig does the whole not delivering on promises shit
every1 else is nai or unremarkable

##vote: glowingbear

i am voting on you to piss you off so that you can shit town on me and then i can lynch tt at the eod. please stop being worse than me, cuz if you're worse than me you're probably mafia.


Rit can you talk to me more about your bolded reads here?

Kush has made a few okish posts since his open, but what has he done to warrant a townread like this?

Why are you saying you need girls to read LS? is this a joke I'm missing, kus it seems really werid to me.

Why have you given Rels a free pass but not GB? I don't really recall anything noteworthy from either of them so why is Rels a no lynch but GB a pressure vote?


kush - had the tr on me at the right time, had the gb read at the right time, told koochi to go fuck himself.

LS - historically women on these forums read him with near 100% accuracy. it isn't a joke or an exaggeration.

rels - i coached rels and in doing so i developed a method of reading him, it doesn't work until day 2 or later so i am confident in my ability to discern his alignment late game.


Ok w/e about the LS thing, I kinda get you on Rels, but the Kush stuff doesn't make much sense to me, well expect the part about Koshi.

This "the right time" feels like shit to me, how do you know the right time?




the right time is when i think the exact same thing in my brain at that time.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 21:52 GMT
#560
don't we have an hour and 8 minutes?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 21:56 GMT
#576
idk...that read flip on shape and those 3 posts are pretty fucking awful and probably make you scum....but then you come back and decide to swim up the river of heavy resistance rather than least resistance...then you base half your game on omgusing an obv town....i really have no clue what you're doing if you're town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 22:00 GMT
#583
On December 16 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 06:56 ritoky wrote:
idk...that read flip on shape and those 3 posts are pretty fucking awful and probably make you scum....but then you come back and decide to swim up the river of heavy resistance rather than least resistance...then you base half your game on omgusing an obv town....i really have no clue what you're doing if you're town.


You're talking about who?


tt
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 22:09 GMT
#592
On December 16 2015 07:03 Damdred wrote:
Rit I haven't read any of your posts will you at least five me some opinion on what I saw in rels and tell me what you think?


On December 15 2015 19:31 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 19:24 ritoky wrote:
if you want me to write the why is kush potentially mafia book it would basically be: he makes good reads that are definitive at the proper time too frequently and probably is a result of extra information. i currently have a lack of desire to go down that rabbit hole cuz he called me town and too right thus scum isn't usually a good day 1 lunchable. also he did a game winning impression of me that i loved.

The only townread he posted was on you being obviously town, what do you mean he's right "too frequently" ?
Do you think his reason for townreading you ("his long post where he sounds paranoid") was bad ?


On December 15 2015 19:38 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 19:35 ritoky wrote:
On December 15 2015 19:31 Rels wrote:
On December 15 2015 19:24 ritoky wrote:
if you want me to write the why is kush potentially mafia book it would basically be: he makes good reads that are definitive at the proper time too frequently and probably is a result of extra information. i currently have a lack of desire to go down that rabbit hole cuz he called me town and too right thus scum isn't usually a good day 1 lunchable. also he did a game winning impression of me that i loved.

The only townread he posted was on you being obviously town, what do you mean he's right "too frequently" ?
Do you think his reason for townreading you ("his long post where he sounds paranoid") was bad ?


hey rels, i wanna sell you a brand new car for only $500.

+ Show Spoiler +
there's a catch


that's the read. let that blow your mind for an hour while i sleep for 40 minutes and get woken up again cuz babies don't like changes in their local environment and the oddly strong smell of lavender.

I don't understand one "he makes good reads that are definitive at the proper time too frequently" can refer to only one read ?


On December 15 2015 19:49 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 19:45 ritoky wrote:
On December 15 2015 19:38 Rels wrote:
On December 15 2015 19:35 ritoky wrote:
On December 15 2015 19:31 Rels wrote:
On December 15 2015 19:24 ritoky wrote:
if you want me to write the why is kush potentially mafia book it would basically be: he makes good reads that are definitive at the proper time too frequently and probably is a result of extra information. i currently have a lack of desire to go down that rabbit hole cuz he called me town and too right thus scum isn't usually a good day 1 lunchable. also he did a game winning impression of me that i loved.

The only townread he posted was on you being obviously town, what do you mean he's right "too frequently" ?
Do you think his reason for townreading you ("his long post where he sounds paranoid") was bad ?


hey rels, i wanna sell you a brand new car for only $500.

+ Show Spoiler +
there's a catch


that's the read. let that blow your mind for an hour while i sleep for 40 minutes and get woken up again cuz babies don't like changes in their local environment and the oddly strong smell of lavender.

I don't understand one "he makes good reads that are definitive at the proper time too frequently" can refer to only one read ?


gb, me, gigays, response to koochi. plz click filter b4 needling about pointless things.

OK that makes more sense.


he was needling me over nothing so i think you're a bit wrong there. i think your deferring to someone else's read as a path of less blame/resistance part is valid. but generally i think with rels when he is mafia he has a hard time separating the additive information he has, so when he is mafia he ends up speaking with more certainty due to extra info and sticking to his views harder/not considering alternatives. pretty hard to analyze that as a metric on d1, but his current play isn't outside of him being mafia.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 22:14 GMT
#595
On December 16 2015 07:08 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 06:50 ritoky wrote:
On December 16 2015 06:49 Tictock wrote:
On December 16 2015 06:02 ritoky wrote:
On December 16 2015 05:00 Tictock wrote:
Oops forgot I wanted to bring up this post real quick then I'm done talking about Rit for the moment.

On December 15 2015 13:56 ritoky wrote:
too many people don't have an opinion on who is mafia. too many null reads. everyone should call someone mafia in their next post and stop wasting time pussyfooting. the time for your pointless shitty information gathering questions is past; form some opinions and stop being less useful than me.

shape is town
kush is probably town
not interested in lynching koshi
not interested in lynching damdred
not interested in lynching rels
no girls in the game so dunno LS alignment

tt is probably mafia
gb is underwhelming and should be a potential vote
gig does the whole not delivering on promises shit
every1 else is nai or unremarkable

##vote: glowingbear

i am voting on you to piss you off so that you can shit town on me and then i can lynch tt at the eod. please stop being worse than me, cuz if you're worse than me you're probably mafia.


Rit can you talk to me more about your bolded reads here?

Kush has made a few okish posts since his open, but what has he done to warrant a townread like this?

Why are you saying you need girls to read LS? is this a joke I'm missing, kus it seems really werid to me.

Why have you given Rels a free pass but not GB? I don't really recall anything noteworthy from either of them so why is Rels a no lynch but GB a pressure vote?


kush - had the tr on me at the right time, had the gb read at the right time, told koochi to go fuck himself.

LS - historically women on these forums read him with near 100% accuracy. it isn't a joke or an exaggeration.

rels - i coached rels and in doing so i developed a method of reading him, it doesn't work until day 2 or later so i am confident in my ability to discern his alignment late game.


Ok w/e about the LS thing, I kinda get you on Rels, but the Kush stuff doesn't make much sense to me, well expect the part about Koshi.

This "the right time" feels like shit to me, how do you know the right time?




the right time is when i think the exact same thing in my brain at that time.


Ah ok, so it's just a mindmeld thing?

Is that a reliable metric for you?

People are usually never on the same page as me so I rarely get moments like that.

What did you think of what I was pointing out about Gig since I know you saw my post about him?


if it happens more than once it usually means the person is above 80% chance to be town, reliable enough for me to not vote them d1.

imo gig is completely underwhelming and i remember nothing about him off the top of my head other than he said he was gonna do shit and didn't.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 22:25 GMT
#606
On December 16 2015 07:17 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 06:56 ritoky wrote:
idk...that read flip on shape and those 3 posts are pretty fucking awful and probably make you scum....but then you come back and decide to swim up the river of heavy resistance rather than least resistance...then you base half your game on omgusing an obv town....i really have no clue what you're doing if you're town.


If the bolded is referring to you I think you are overstating your townyness.

I think I'm taking my OMGUS into account properly here... I hope.

Besides my read on you has more to do with the way you are reading Shape than me... ehh maybe 60/40.

Why don't we talk about someone other than me for a second though? Like imagine for a moment that I wasn't around and was probably going to be modkilled. Who would you be your backup?


i mean i haven't even voted on you, i am voting on gb; so it is clear what my alternative is. and i am not overstating my towniness, i claimed vt.

basically why i keep talking about you is i am trying to figure out if you're just mafia or you're going to be "that guy" for me this game. "that guy" refers to the person in the game who i have a burning desire to lynch every phase and must forcibly talk myself out of lynching every phase. this is a very important distinction that could impede my progress of solving this game.

outside of you who i want to lynch and gb who i am voting on cuz i expect better from, i have no particular desire of lynch targets.

i don't want to lynch koochi, shape, damdred, kush, rels; everyone else i won't be hurt if they disappear.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 22:28 GMT
#610
On December 16 2015 07:24 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 07:14 ritoky wrote:
On December 16 2015 07:08 Tictock wrote:
On December 16 2015 06:50 ritoky wrote:
On December 16 2015 06:49 Tictock wrote:
On December 16 2015 06:02 ritoky wrote:
On December 16 2015 05:00 Tictock wrote:
Oops forgot I wanted to bring up this post real quick then I'm done talking about Rit for the moment.

On December 15 2015 13:56 ritoky wrote:
too many people don't have an opinion on who is mafia. too many null reads. everyone should call someone mafia in their next post and stop wasting time pussyfooting. the time for your pointless shitty information gathering questions is past; form some opinions and stop being less useful than me.

shape is town
kush is probably town
not interested in lynching koshi
not interested in lynching damdred
not interested in lynching rels
no girls in the game so dunno LS alignment

tt is probably mafia
gb is underwhelming and should be a potential vote
gig does the whole not delivering on promises shit
every1 else is nai or unremarkable

##vote: glowingbear

i am voting on you to piss you off so that you can shit town on me and then i can lynch tt at the eod. please stop being worse than me, cuz if you're worse than me you're probably mafia.


Rit can you talk to me more about your bolded reads here?

Kush has made a few okish posts since his open, but what has he done to warrant a townread like this?

Why are you saying you need girls to read LS? is this a joke I'm missing, kus it seems really werid to me.

Why have you given Rels a free pass but not GB? I don't really recall anything noteworthy from either of them so why is Rels a no lynch but GB a pressure vote?


kush - had the tr on me at the right time, had the gb read at the right time, told koochi to go fuck himself.

LS - historically women on these forums read him with near 100% accuracy. it isn't a joke or an exaggeration.

rels - i coached rels and in doing so i developed a method of reading him, it doesn't work until day 2 or later so i am confident in my ability to discern his alignment late game.


Ok w/e about the LS thing, I kinda get you on Rels, but the Kush stuff doesn't make much sense to me, well expect the part about Koshi.

This "the right time" feels like shit to me, how do you know the right time?




the right time is when i think the exact same thing in my brain at that time.


Ah ok, so it's just a mindmeld thing?

Is that a reliable metric for you?

People are usually never on the same page as me so I rarely get moments like that.

What did you think of what I was pointing out about Gig since I know you saw my post about him?


if it happens more than once it usually means the person is above 80% chance to be town, reliable enough for me to not vote them d1.

imo gig is completely underwhelming and i remember nothing about him off the top of my head other than he said he was gonna do shit and didn't.


Thats not really what I was asking, what about these points?

Show nested quote +

For those who hate to read, Reasons to scumread Gig.

- Weird progression on me. Scum read on me develops after Rit starts pushing me, drops the read after we talk about something else, then says everyone is null and shortly after is back on me for the same thing Rit was talking about in the first place.

-Multiple times says he's got only Null and Town reads. Mafia tend to have a hard time finding reasons to scumread other players whereas town tends to jump on things that bug them.

-Scumreads all come from other people. He mentions a "lean" on Koshi for a meta he has no experience with (obviously talking about the meta read on Koshi early on), his readon me comes from Rit, the scumread on Rels was from Koshi, and I think (I haven't checked this one) the Shape read comes from Onegu/Sukrit


vote -> unvote no reason no interaction could be mafia indicative, but doesn't give me a boner.

rest of the stuff is just him being unoriginal and unmemorable which i covered, not really alignment indicative; tons of people are just sheeple.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 22:29 GMT
#612
On December 16 2015 07:28 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 07:25 ritoky wrote:
On December 16 2015 07:17 Tictock wrote:
On December 16 2015 06:56 ritoky wrote:
idk...that read flip on shape and those 3 posts are pretty fucking awful and probably make you scum....but then you come back and decide to swim up the river of heavy resistance rather than least resistance...then you base half your game on omgusing an obv town....i really have no clue what you're doing if you're town.


If the bolded is referring to you I think you are overstating your townyness.

I think I'm taking my OMGUS into account properly here... I hope.

Besides my read on you has more to do with the way you are reading Shape than me... ehh maybe 60/40.

Why don't we talk about someone other than me for a second though? Like imagine for a moment that I wasn't around and was probably going to be modkilled. Who would you be your backup?


i mean i haven't even voted on you, i am voting on gb; so it is clear what my alternative is. and i am not overstating my towniness, i claimed vt.

basically why i keep talking about you is i am trying to figure out if you're just mafia or you're going to be "that guy" for me this game. "that guy" refers to the person in the game who i have a burning desire to lynch every phase and must forcibly talk myself out of lynching every phase. this is a very important distinction that could impede my progress of solving this game.

outside of you who i want to lynch and gb who i am voting on cuz i expect better from, i have no particular desire of lynch targets.

i don't want to lynch koochi, shape, damdred, kush, rels; everyone else i won't be hurt if they disappear.


I thought your GB vote was purely for pressure, ok noted.


it was pressure pending he deliver the goods. he never delivered the goods.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 15 2015 22:33 GMT
#616
On December 16 2015 07:29 Shapelog wrote:
Well something came up so i won't be here till 8 ish.
##Vote:Kush
Voting kush due to lurking and guess what hes lurking. Meta read though, just best right now for me.


kush is a bad vote imo
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