Dark Tournament Mini Mafia

On November 20 2015 07:00 NocturneMage wrote:
Still in newbie James.

If I join, I will probably tunnel Daniele all game tbh. and probably end her lol.

but I will need to policy lynch you at some point.

On December 01 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:
oh another pre game excuse: I wont be here until like 4 hours after game start due to college class into going out to eat with my parents :o

On December 01 2015 12:47 The Shining wrote:
It's not the first time you've played with me, nor the first time I've reacted that way. Why is it interesting to you? Do you find it indicative in any way? What do you think of what I said about fidei, or what palmar said about me, or revel about damdred?

On December 01 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I find it interesting that you acted that way because A. I'm genuinely concerned for your mental state in Mafia as I know it's a high stress game. B. I do feel that you overreacted a bit with your sudden outburst and I disliked the way you try to use your meta to defend yourself.

So. I just want to know your thoughts. What was the basis behind your Fidei read?

On December 01 2015 12:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:

it was for Shining xd i'm just ninja'ing him so much

On December 01 2015 13:01 The Shining wrote:


Yes it was towards md but your answer so quick and natural earns you a town point

On December 01 2015 18:16 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike:Specifically, what comments did he make that were relevant to the game, and why do they make him town?

Damdred: (and PLEASE, no one else answer this, don't be stupid...):
I'm sorry, I know you don't want to talk about this, but it's driving me insane.
Hypothetical scenario 1: Trfel makes a post an hour into a mafia game casting suspicions on Joe for not having posted.
Hypothetical scenario 2: Trfel makes a post an hour into a mafia game casting suspicions on Bob for not having posted. Bob said before the game that he would not be present for the first few hours of the game.

What difference do you see between these two scenarios?

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Palmar seems like obvious town. There's one thing I hope to check eventually, though.

I kind of want to lynch The Shining, but that seems like a very bad idea right now. He's put in a bunch of effort (regardless of alignment) on a busy day for him. Most of the problems that I have with his posts are wording, tone, and a bit of consistency, which aren't the most reliable. I do feel that his posting somewhat fits mafia motivation, but I'm nowhere near confident enough to be happy lynching him now. I feel that The Shining's alignment will become very clear with a bit more time.

I still think that Damdred is mafia, but I remembered that the past several times I've played with Damdred (both town) I've always thought he was mafia I'm guessing that I have some preconceived notions for what I expect Damdred to do, and whenever he doesn't behave exactly as I would expect him to, I think he's mafia. And it seems to be very hard for me to separate this from mafia motivations...

Did anyone else find Damdred's townread of The Shining a bit off? Palmar commented on why the third point is invalid, which I completely agree with.

On December 01 2015 18:42 Fidei86 wrote:
Morning folks.

So I have two competing thoughts about Shining. The first is that I entirely agree with Palmar about why Shining's play makes no sense. I'd also add that it's even more strange that his 'read' on me seemed almost entirely OMGUS, but then as soon as HTS made a point against me in her thread entry, he adopted it and parroted it as the new reason he didn't like me. The second is that he and Palmar seem very invested in this fight - much more so than seems warranted by the early stage of the game. They have been back and forth, what, five or six times now? Almost to the exclusion of everyone else. The 'better' play as town is plainly to apologise for bad thread entry (which Shining did, admittedly, do) and then to turn attention elsewhere (which neither Palmar or Shining have done). The only thing I have to say in Shining's defence is that his rebuttal's read very heartfelt. That can be something that is hard to replicate as mafia, and it's giving me pause here. I would say Shining is a very slight scum read for me, but I wouldn't vote for him as yet.

Also - morning Rels. Re my read on you - I've watched you play enough games as mafia now to think I have a reasonable handle on your meta. Yes, you are totally capable of breaking your meta, but your "I give no fucks" tone and posting content is town Rels to me.

Lightning Strike's entrance seems way over the top to me, especially for him. Usually he comes in and posts some relatively anodyne 1-liners, whereas here he came in with a big long paragraph attacking someone (Trfel I think) for calling him out earlier. In my experience, town LS is much more relaxed and jokey, until he starts getting attacked seriously (which I don't think had happened by that point). Then again, LS is primo lynch-bait D1, so I'll try and avoid getting too tunnelled for now.

My one heretical thought at the moment is that Dani might be mafia. I know, I know. It's more of a hunch than a real read, but I'm just not feeling it from her posts so far. Town Dani that I've known usually goes in one direction, then another, and she has an almost relentless quality. Too many of her posts last night were backtracking on things she had already said, and it's not clear she reached anything much of a landing point. It could be because it's early and because she's tired though.

Moosy is posting the same kind of rubbish that he posted in our first Newbie game together. In that game he was new and was inadvertently trying some sort of Chezinu--style baits. Which, in fairness, worked. Then when he was mafia and I was town, he was super super serious all game. Obviously if he doesn't contribute further then at some point we will have to lynch him for being useless / lynch all lurkers, but for now I give him a slight town read.

On December 02 2015 00:29 Onegu wrote:
Onegu VT claim.

Be back later

On December 02 2015 01:23 Rels wrote:

Any idea on what could be scum ?

On December 02 2015 01:34 Rels wrote:

His "stuff about you" was a trap that he didn't believe in. I don't think Trfel has posted a read on you. Does knowing that make you re evaluate ?

On December 02 2015 01:37 Trfel wrote:
Why do you think that my attack on geript in that game is relevant to my alignment this game?

Sorry, I just really don't see the connection.

On December 02 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Looking at 346/349 -

LS, I'm not referring to meta. Let's make sure I'm not misunderstanding you here.

I'm not talking about Palmar's tone in general. I'm talking about his case. If you read the context differently, then tell me how you interpreted that.

You are saying that he's town because his tone is serious and from 349 it's based on meta. Okay fine, but regardless of meta, why would Palmar's case NOT be serious? What I'm trying to say here is that you are townreading him for a poor reason.

On December 02 2015 04:19 Half the Sky wrote:
Also post 349:



Alright, so in spite of your meta read on Shining and your fear read from earlier, you still think his content is better this game rather than last. What game was this, and how long ago and how are you so sure that his scum game hasn't improved given what you've said with the emotions?

On December 02 2015 04:31 Half the Sky wrote:


*facepalm* duh, I'm an idiot. I completely forgot about Drams. Super lurky in that game.

On December 02 2015 07:18 Rels wrote:
LS: if you had to name a team of 3 mafias, who would that be and why ?

On December 02 2015 04:38 Half the Sky wrote:


Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him.

Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though.

On December 02 2015 04:39 Half the Sky wrote:
Yes, LS, I know but to be quite honest, when I think of Drams, I think of that game for all of the fighting that went down that game of which he wasn't a part of. Don't want to be a dead horse on that, but that's that.

On December 02 2015 09:27 Damdred wrote:
Could someone help me, every question trfel has asked me to my knowledge I've answered either to him sort o some one else who asked the same thing.

Like it's beyond baffling.

On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.

Gnight folks

@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.

On December 02 2015 23:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious.

I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return.

On December 02 2015 22:26 Damdred wrote:
##vote fidel86

I'll answer trfel after coffee

On December 03 2015 01:12 Palmar wrote:

LS are you mafia?

On December 03 2015 02:58 Trfel wrote:
First of all, really sorry that you aren't feeling well. Hope you can recover soon.

Why did you vote for DoYouHas instead of kushm4sta?
Why didn't you include LightningStrike in the lynch list? Now that he's (at least mostly, I think?) answered your questions, what do you think about him?
Why did your read on me (Trfel) change?

On December 03 2015 03:04 Trfel wrote:
And where did you get that conclusion from?

On December 02 2015 04:38 Half the Sky wrote:


Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him.

Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though.

On December 03 2015 03:13 Trfel wrote:
Yeah....

"I don't think you are mafia for this" means that Half the Sky is not scum reading you for one specific thing in your filter. As in, she could be scum reading you for the entire rest of your filter. And that's not a townread on that one thing either.

Does anyone know if LightningStrike is generally this self-conscious as town with regards to other people's townreads on him? To make a big jump like this and try to assume everything is a townread?

Because this is making me doubt my earlier town lean on him.

On December 03 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote:
Also, LightningStrike, why do you think that MoosyDoosy is mafia?

On December 03 2015 08:06 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike, please explain this.

On December 03 2015 08:07 Rels wrote:

no

On December 03 2015 08:08 Damdred wrote:
LS has basically mod confirmed himself as town.

That's pretty shitty but we have to work with it I guess.

On December 03 2015 08:18 Fecalfeast wrote:

So kush flipping town reverses your scumread on damdred completely?

On December 03 2015 08:22 Trfel wrote:
Do you have any stance on MoosyDoosy/NocturneMage now?

On December 03 2015 08:33 Damdred wrote:


I wasn't even mad when it happened so no need to apologize.

Though Rsoultin probably would call me scum for that.

On December 03 2015 12:29 Fecalfeast wrote:

Can you point out anything that specifically seems towny? Both trfel and I have expressed concerns about NM's posts do you have anything to say there?

On December 03 2015 13:08 Trfel wrote:
For the record, Half the Sky, I don't think you understand what I'm trying to get across at all. Maybe my argument is very flawed, but your comments don't respond to the argument that I was attempting to make. I hope to re-explain my argument at a later time.

@LightningStrike, do you still think that Damdred is town?

On December 03 2015 20:36 Rels wrote:
Palmar might be scum: an unsure accusation

I don't have a strong scumread on Palmar. There is no slip to be found in his filter. But I know Palmar is a strong scum player, so it's super unlikely to find a slip in there. Here is why I'm suspicious of him:

1. His reads followed the thread sentiment D1
D1, Palmar started by tunneling Shining on something true but small. This is NAI.
But after that, Palmar's posts about people were boring. Just boring. Examples:

OK to lynch the guy with the most votes ATM. All active players are given a pass for today. OK to lynch on of the two uesless.








All of this is boring with minimal scumhunt. And this culminates in ...

2. Palmar was apathetic towards the lynch; when he is proud of his D1 capacities
Palmar is proud of his D1 reads:

But after stopping his Shining push, his reads were boring. At EOD, he was super apathetic and sheeped Trfel into Moosy, then Damdred into LS, then followed the thread sentiment to kush:




He also left the thread 1 hour before deadline to come back 10 minutes for it for no good reason, when it always is the crucial moment to decide a good lynch:


Conclusion
Good cop check / vig shot.

On December 03 2015 22:30 Rels wrote:

I don't really care about The Shining push, as it's super easy to reproduce that as scum (tunneling someone on something specific). Not that it makes scum either.
1 - Were his reads boring in that game too ?
2 - Was he apathetic and not really caring of the lynches ?

On December 03 2015 22:47 Rels wrote:

Have you ever played / obsed scum!Palmar ? What is different from what you just said ?

On December 03 2015 22:51 LightningStrike wrote:

Yes I have two times. first time around he tried hard Day 1 even thoguh it was in the weekend(He doesn't like playing on the weekend as town) and was somewhat useless after that entire esp just calling me a wizard for his read on me(Titanic I had a cunning plan). The 2nd game he was useless and he didn't try to do jack shit the entire game(Assassination).

On December 03 2015 22:56 Rels wrote:

Alright. I obsed a game where he was scum with marv and whoever and he was far from useless. Talking about this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494010-completely-normal-generic-mini-mafia?user=Palmar
So I don't think this meta read means anything. I usually don't like meta read; applied to a good scum player, they are difficult to make, 'cause of course he is going to play like his town meta.

On December 03 2015 23:04 Rels wrote:

OK. I got that you're a meta using player, but be careful with good scum players - they will replicate their town meta.
If I had to chose, I would prefer having your take on this:

On December 04 2015 09:33 Trfel wrote:
Just realized, NocturneMage would definitely bus Half the Sky here.

So yeah, I really don't know about NocturneMage but for now I think that lynching Half the Sky is better.

On December 04 2015 09:34 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay. Happy to take you at your word re 2. Sorry for suggesting it. I really hope she gets well soon, please do pass on all of our regards...<3

On December 04 2015 09:38 Fidei86 wrote:

*Facepalm*

On December 04 2015 09:39 LightningStrike wrote:

What?

On December 04 2015 09:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
So basically you all have 3.25 hours with the great mind of fecalfeast before he goes home and accidentally plays fallout until 5am without making dinner.

I'm not going to read the thread from the start so someone make me do something because work is boring as fuck

On December 04 2015 09:48 Fidei86 wrote:

Uh, meant "Just want to point out TS..."
Not LS. Obv.

On December 04 2015 09:51 Fecalfeast wrote:

[active game] took a lot of my energy and playing as town makes me less worried about doing enough work to look good lol

What do you think of the shenanigan? fidei/shining/palmar/hts were all early switchers with the first two being instigators. Have you weighed in on that?

On December 04 2015 09:59 NocturneMage wrote:


Okay, this is just dumb.

How are you saying overexplanation? I had a huge problem with Palmar saying the same thing about Kush actually because his argument about you using shitty meta was quite valid. Or at the very least meta that is very hard to understand the basis for your reads for even if it is valid. It was a valid argument and I don't even recall that argument being very wordy.

On December 03 2015 07:29 kushm4sta wrote:
I think the LS lynch is good.

I looked over his filter again. His arguments are always"so and so was like that in that game, and he's similar/different in this game, therefore he's town/scum" That's an overreliance on bad meta.
Those are very easy arguments for scum to make.

On December 03 2015 03:20 kushm4sta wrote:


I don't think LS' assumption is scummy. As for the self consiousness, that's not scummy either. Both alignments pay attention when others are talking about them.

On December 04 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
I replaced into one of these high effort games eh?

On December 04 2015 10:17 NocturneMage wrote:
bah fuck it's 1am...let me try and bang out this case on dani since some people here aren't convinced.

ALSO LS, for the love of everything good, do you have any bloody scumreads? or conclusions? I mean, seriously any?!?!!?!??!?!?

On December 04 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:

Mafia had a field day most likely at EoD prob laughed there asses off when kush flipped boxer. Anyways time to pick FF's brain a little bit.
@FFWhat your thoughts on regarding the shannies that place with the people you had asked me about?

On December 04 2015 10:27 NocturneMage wrote:


no shit??????????

you are basically saying that Moosy (now myself) is town - duh, thank you for telling me something I didn't already know
you are saying that kush is town - duh, he flipped, again, thank you for telling me something I didn't already know
you are saying that you are town, which you have to do as either alignment.

so what are you telling me about the other players?

.................................

do you understand why I'm having trouble thinking that you are town?

On December 04 2015 10:31 NocturneMage wrote:
I don't ever recall playing with you.

And you still aren't answering the question. Who are your scumreads? Names, reasons. let's go.

On December 04 2015 10:32 Fecalfeast wrote:

This is in response to LS

On December 04 2015 10:39 NocturneMage wrote:


So both you and disformation (confirm?) think DYH is bussing HTS?

well answer for yourself...why? in your own words, why?

On December 04 2015 10:45 NocturneMage wrote:


????????????????????????????????

yeah that was from my POV that HTS is scum, because I'm >99% sure she's mafia, but if you don't think she is...

that's a horrible answer though, how is him being a newbie alignment indicative? Why couldn't a newbie try and get someone mislynched, why couldn't Rels make a case on any player of that experience?

I have zero clue what you are trying to say here.

On December 04 2015 10:51 NocturneMage wrote:
well shit, if you want to make the argument someone is bussing hts and needs the cred, I can see that from a generic standpoint, you had blazinghand in vanilla mafia who pulled that shit off with onegu and people were townreading him for no reason and then damn moosydoosy swindled all of us in newbie 14 by bussing his damn roleblocker all game because he was being scumread by the town leaders in rayn/yamato d1, so, situationally that is plausible.

nothing looked off from the filter but guess I'll re-read in context?

On December 04 2015 10:51 The Shining wrote:


I'll ask again. So you think HTS is town, I presume? Why? What makes HTS town in your eyes?

On December 04 2015 10:54 NocturneMage wrote:


I'm looking at Fidei and Trfel mainly, Fidei is a combination of association between HTS and overall gameplay and Trfel's constant usage of terrible points to case people just reminds me of his scumgames, but granted, if HTS is one scummer, I have too many people here so obviously I'm wrong on someone.

And there's still others I haven't looked at that I could potentially just be missing or way off target with.

On December 04 2015 10:56 disformation wrote:
So DYH could have basically voted anyone D1...
Also the decent posts, where he is looking at HtS, start N1... after NocturneMage got replaced in...
His case is also posted after NM comes in and posts that piece on HtS very likely to be mafia...

On December 04 2015 10:59 NocturneMage wrote:


are you shitting me???????

THIS IS WHAT SHE HAS DONE IN ALL HER SCUMGAMES, GET OFF LYNCHES THAT PUT HER TO THE GREATEST ADVANTAGE.

SHE HAS HAD TWO SCUMGAMES WHERE DESPITE ILLNESS SHE ENDGAMED TOWN!!!!!!

WHAT PART OF THIS ARGUMENT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

On December 04 2015 11:07 Trfel wrote:
I'm on a phone and can't read the thread atm but I kind of think both NM and HTS are scum right now.

On December 04 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:


LOL? why?

On December 04 2015 11:14 NocturneMage wrote:


the better question is why he thinks I'm bussing HTS.

On March 11 2015 22:39 Palmar wrote:
Sex analysis:


+ Show Spoiler [rayn] +

+ Show Spoiler [marv] +

+ Show Spoiler [Onegu] +

+ Show Spoiler [prplhz] +

+ Show Spoiler [rsoultin] +

+ Show Spoiler [Palmar] +

+ Show Spoiler [JAT] +

+ Show Spoiler [LS] +

+ Show Spoiler [ritoky] +

+ Show Spoiler [Koshi] +

+ Show Spoiler [Eden] +

+ Show Spoiler [Damdred] +

On March 10 2015 19:45 Palmar wrote:
Rayn I actually thought was town based on his "everyone who has posted is town". While I thought the JAT thing was uncertain I actually really liked the idea that everyone who had posted at that time was town. Then it turned out to be some weird trap play he hasn't pushed at all since so now I'm not so sure. I don't think I want to lynch him yet, but I'm very much conflicted on his alignment.

I liked marv's entrance, it felt unforced. Aside from that he's been a bit shit, but nothing out of the ordinary. No reason to tunnel right now. Slightly leaning town.

Onegu best player. I honestly have no idea what he is.

prplhz has been mega shit. Like he's actually a really good shot at being mafia because he had literally nothing exciting to say when he entered the game. It wasn't even funny, and generally mafia tend to be far less funny than townies.

rsoultin idk. I think I recall some semi-townie posts from early game. But I'm not gonna make a call one way or the other.

JAT. Leaning mafia, but I always lean mafia on him. he's not a hard read though when the game picks up. If prplhz shows up I'm more than ok with lynching JAT.

LS town. I'm pretty sure LS is so transparent that if he ever rolls mafia he'll just straight up admit to it. I loved his entrance and he is probably my strongest townread atm. His reaction to my scumclaim basically confirms him town to me.

ritoky feels actually sort of townie to me. I think this is mostly a tone read, his jokes feel like he really doesn't give a shit I guess.

Koshi. Got mad that he was being voted. Then after getting mad he did what we wanted him to do anyway which either means he's massively submissive or mafia.

Eden I don't know.

Damdred is probably town. I liked him in the early game so I think we should remain friends.

On December 04 2015 23:21 NocturneMage wrote:
LS you are in the same boat as her you are doing dick all this game. Dick all.

I asked you and so did Shining for reads, anything to sort your alignment and the only thing either of us got last night was a bunch of non alignment indicative bullshit that got us nowhere.

On December 04 2015 23:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Rels:
Que pensez-vous de NM et James à ce moment?

On December 04 2015 23:49 Rels wrote:

Maybe because "en" is the correct word in this case ? =D

On December 05 2015 00:14 disformation wrote:
On PC now.



Nah, you totally got everyone. *wink wink* *nudge nudge*

On December 04 2015 23:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Ugh I couldn't be assed to be coached esp in my last scum where I got coached by Bill to lynch WGS(wherebugsgo) O_o
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?user=LightningStrike
here are more scum games you can check and some town games for you to check out Alex:
Scum games:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?user=LightningStrike
Some town games:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483087-newbie-student-mafia-viii?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?user=LightningStrike

On December 05 2015 00:34 Rels wrote:

How the fuck did you get these links in 2 minutes.

On December 05 2015 00:38 disformation wrote:


So Palmar has magical appearing links and DYH has magical appearing and disapearing reads, do I sense a connection here? :D

On December 05 2015 00:41 Rels wrote:

The part about me is false. I made multiple cases as scum in Drams, in which you were playing.

On December 05 2015 00:49 NocturneMage wrote:
and 2/3s of LS' post is (poorly explained) meta. Someone kill me please. And I see Rels is shooting part of that down already.

Why is Palmar town in your own words?

On December 05 2015 07:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
Lol i will be at work soon I'm kidding myself if i think I'm gonna do stuff when fallout is staring at me in the face

On December 05 2015 10:01 disformation wrote:


np, dude.

Hmm... his first post this game has like more reads than his whole D1 in Drams?
Though he posts a very similar post a bit later in Drams. Didn't he arrive a bit late in the thread this game?

Otherwise with looking at the context of Drams (117 pages D1, not reading that), I don't see any glaring differences in his posts, when compared to this. He has a pretty conversationalist style and doesn't seem to do cases, so from just reading his filter it is not easy to see the entire process. If you think I missed something, please feel free to point that out.

On December 05 2015 10:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
yo LS you were sad that I brushed you off before what've you got for me

On December 05 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:

didn't do it, who again?

On December 05 2015 10:24 Fecalfeast wrote:

i only really commented on the palmar/fidei interaction but I think the lack of HTS + the lack of any real resistance to the HTS lynch means this is probably a full-steam-ahead bus situation. I think that trfel has been acting strange but outside of what I've already said I've not read much further into him. I think you're a little to focused on yourself, LS and would like to see sme reads from you.

On December 05 2015 00:04 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW James I did say some of my treads throughout my filter but here is a list if you really need one -_-
Town:
Palmar: Meta says town for him here with his push on Shining look exactly like he did to me in Metal Mini
FF: Lazy FF is normally town FF from what I remember but I want him to do more work
Rels: He actually put out some cases mainly his case on FYH seems to stick out to me a little and when he was scum I don't remember him casing multiple people O_o
Shining: His responses and his questioning seem like Town Shining this game.
Tfrel: He did try to case people yes but he done it as scum but he seem much more serious tone here but I should prob check the scum game that some of you guys said this similar to his play there.
NM: He went super tryhard right out of the gates but my only issue with him like Rels said is that he not as analyical as I remember him being.
Null:
HTS: Some of her content seems questionable but she not feeling exactly well either but I willing to give her another day for now to have her feel better and post again.
James: It might be a long time but I don't think I ever seen james get so tunneled on me ever O_o But his content is okay.
Scum:
DYH His read progression is very weird like it doesn't feel natural. Plus some of stuff seems like it adds little value.
If I missing anyone let me know.

On December 05 2015 11:07 Fecalfeast wrote:

could you expand upon your DYH read since we're talking about him right now?

On December 06 2015 00:20 NocturneMage wrote:
Taking a look at LS's latest bit of reads to see if they are actually "better" or moving the game forward. I'm going to pretend for a second he might be a townie who is smoking a bit too much weed/insane/whatever and I'm going to ignore any meta he brings up.

(I'm also going to pretend that HTS doesn't exist in this game, except for his read, for a second since I've drawn a lot of association betwen the two.)

Palmar - he could have just stopped with push on Shining, It's an incomplete read at best or him townreading Palmar for entirely the wrong reasons. end of day I realise is a clusterfuck but Palmar's end of day play has jumped at a few people. In a previous response, LS did say to me that he did help build the direction on kush, granted though I heavily disagreed with that reason being towny. the reason he told me again was overexplanation which a) was parroting palmar and b) that explanation wasn't that wordy, and not even scummy. I actually agreed with Palmar on kush plus people were moving to him so it made it easier for me to just switch to him.

FF - that read I don't know if it's semantics "lazy FF means no agenda FF" or "lazy FF means give no fucks FF" or whatever or just that he cannot be arsed to solve the game, well you could argue that for scum but him asking FF to do more work also makes no sense here - if he's that sure in meta land that lazy FF is town FF then asking him to do work would put him where? he's already town? what is the purpose of that read? it's posting just to post.I just wanted to work so I can see what he's thinking obviously. Have a second opinion on stuff is always helpful in the game of mafia

Rels - going to stop after the word "little" since everything after that is (yawn) meta. Case on FYH might be "good" yeah but does he make an easy townread like others might have agreed on or was it just an honest conclusion? It's a honest conclusion I thought the case okay and disformation mentioned that DYH ead progression was weird and man was he right. So I kinda leaning on him for now but idk how many other people would switch to him if we don't lynch HTS

Shining - this is largely the same conclusion I came to. Other people came to it well before obviously. I can see both sides. Scum LS would just copy this read from others who have determined it, and town LS would have done like me and read his filter and come to the same thing. I was there during some of the argument and had read the rest during catchups hence how I got my shining read

Trfel - don't like this read either. Last game, with scummy cases on Fecalfeast and Scott, the same tone was there, in LS' defence he might not be as informed. Did any of his play from day 1 having any bearing or re-evaluation? I'll admit I didn't play with Trfel for a little while because I took a break from mafia and didn't really follow the game you talked about.

The read on me - again, parroting or honest conclusion? "he's not as analytical" - okay fine, ignore my read on HTS, what about my reads now on other people?

HTS - so content is questionable? what content was questionable? did he probe her on anything? did he do anything about it? knowing the people pushing hts - fidei (at least softly?), dyh, myself, alright none of them are particularly high on his totem pole, great. But why isn't he taking the lead to find that out himself? he mentioned her illness but I countered against him last night that illness is not alignment indicative, and even by his own admission he said in his filter "oh shit I didn't know that, she can do it" (close enough wording) so that should have given him the green light to just look at her content and solve. The only content I remember eing questionable was her EoD but that was it.

must......avoid.......association.......reads..........

Fidei - doesn't someone tunnelling you by definition make them town? His content is "okay" alright, so is his read on LS unusual in a scummy way? no? then why isn't he town, or if that read IS unusual, then why? doesn't that make him scum and want you to look into him more? again, where's the value either way? James knows me and shouldn't realy been scumreading me when he knows I do stuff the way I did this game as town which making me questioning his alignment

DYH - alright, so LS is townreading disformation and Rels, both of whom are pushing DYH. Explanation is largely parroting. same potential issue as some of the other reads previously mentioned. See my thing on Rels

the argument that LS' play is improving is false (figures trfel is making the argument) he brings nothing new to the table - lack of original thought is generally scum indicative, at least I can agree to disagree on town LS thinking Palmar is surely town based on end of cycle. he certainly hasn't done anything earth shattering or moved the game forward, and none of the FF/HTS/Fidei reads he has posted really make any sense from a town perspective.

On December 06 2015 01:43 LightningStrike wrote:
So TLDR about DYH/HTS would vote:
my prefer lynch is DYH if we can get people to vote him.

On December 06 2015 01:44 NocturneMage wrote:
LS, if someone's end of cycle activity was questionable you absolutely should have questioned them on it. that is a pretty critical thing to start off on. ignoring hts or ANYONE on that criteria doesn't make you look good at all.

On December 06 2015 02:36 NocturneMage wrote:


If she doesn't respond, she doesn't respond. The fact is, you didn't question her at all. (if you did, where is the post?)

I mean even Trfel said he had whatever questions for her and he laid them out.

On December 06 2015 05:59 DoYouHas wrote:


Probably Trfel. I've been rereading D1 and I still don't like his early play. He seems all over the place with tons of effort and lots of shifting reads. What fooled me when I observed his last game about him was I couldn't believe that someone could be so bullheaded and so wrong and be scum. It fits for him to muck up the thread and just force out so much content that it is hard to see the trees as Disfo would put it. I'm not all the way there on a scum case for him but I do think he has a reasonable chance of flipping scum and flipping him would clarify a lot about this game as virtually everyone has interacted with and/or taken a stance on him.

So my pick is mostly a dislike of some of his play. A desire to simplify the game by taking one of the biggest ???s out. And a fear read because I've thrown by his scumgame before.

On December 06 2015 07:04 DoYouHas wrote:
My PoE right now looks like this:

Town: Rels, Shining, LS(I am still on board with the EoD VT claim)
Townlean: Disfo, Palmar, Fid (need to look into him more)
Unfiltered: NM, FF
Suspicious but incomplete: Trfel
Scum: HTS

On December 06 2015 07:42 DoYouHas wrote:
NM gives me the town feels. Keeping the thread focused on his top scumread for today while still pressuring you(LS), Fid, Trfel, and a little bit Palmar.

On December 06 2015 07:49 Half the Sky wrote:


What? Drams? He wasn't mafia in Drams. I ran that game. The scumteam was Rels/Shining/SL. I know I'm not insane.

The answer to your second question was going through the WC3 filter for LS. I switched to kush because I was scumreading him. I voted kush at the time because my other scumreads were DYH and him.

On December 06 2015 07:53 Half the Sky wrote:
With respect to this game, no, life is another matter.

On December 06 2015 07:55 Half the Sky wrote:


Bah I missed this one.

Alex is being Alex. He has to accuse me of being mafia, that was the first thing on his mind, he seemed quite giddy. I don't like how he's after you though. I think James had a great metaphor, a Jack Russell on meth. Sums up his play perfectly, really.

EoD honestly I was just hoping we had it right. And I was going to go right to bed after deadline because I was just so gone at that point.

On December 06 2015 07:56 Half the Sky wrote:
LS, also for EoD, I'll be honest, getting the vote off you, even if Fidei was the first vote on him, Shining's post was the first I noticed, there was such a flurry of posts I honestly didn't notice Fidei's, not saying I was going to blame him or anyone though. It just jumped out at me. I think someone accused me of blaming Shining but that wasn't really the intention. So I thought I'd clear that up.

On December 06 2015 07:58 Trfel wrote:
Oh, LightningStrike....

I mean, look at where she's voting XD

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 03 2015 08:00 Blazinghand wrote:


Kushm4sta (7): Fidei86, Damdred, LS, Shining, Rels, HTS, Palm
LightningStrike (4): disformation, kushm4sta, DoYouHas, Trfel
Not Voting (2): MoosyDoosy, Onegu


Currently Kush is set to be lynched.

This Day ends at Wednesday, Dec 02 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 23:00 GMT (+00:00).

On December 06 2015 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:

Vote Count

Half the Sky (9): NocturneMage, DoYouHas, Fecalfeast, Rels, Trfel, Fidei86, Palmar, The Shining, LightningStrike
DoYouHas (1): disformation
NocturneMage (1): [red]Half the Sky

Not Voting (0):


Currently Half the Sky is set to be lynched.

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Lynch Voting is done in the voting thread (here). Do not PM me your vote.

Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain.

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On December 03 2015 08:00 Blazinghand wrote:


Kushm4sta (7): Fidei86, Damdred, LS, Shining, Rels, HTS, Palm
LightningStrike (4): disformation, kushm4sta, DoYouHas, Trfel
Not Voting (2): MoosyDoosy, Onegu


Currently Kush is set to be lynched.

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Lynch Voting is done in the voting thread (here). Do not PM me your vote.

Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain.

On December 06 2015 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:


Half the Sky (9): NocturneMage, DoYouHas, Fecalfeast, Rels, Trfel, Fidei86, Palmar, The Shining, LightningStrike
DoYouHas (1): disformation
NocturneMage (1): Half the Sky

Not Voting (0):


Currently Half the Sky is set to be lynched.

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On December 06 2015 09:03 NocturneMage wrote:
on mobile

as if there were ever any doubt. honestly anything HTS did day 2 is basically WIFOM, so whatever drivel she had the last 30 minutes really doesn't mean dick all.

Well except her update outside the game of course. <3

LS, of course she would post Talisker like that. she loves Talisker. she will drink that and/or Glenfiddich when she rolls mafia.

I don't know what the baby seal is for though.

anyways, my personal motivation in finding the last two mafia though is to make sure they don't keep drinking whisky via mislynches, because she would have asked them to do that. why? because it's HTS.

I have too many scumleans/reads so I know I have a bit to sort out when I return. probably going to proceed in terms of what teams make sense with hts and some additional filter checks.

On December 06 2015 09:19 disformation wrote:
Well the idea is to use the extra time to gather information / make reads and force the mafia to reveal information by shooting ppl, while denying them misslynches.

On December 06 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote:
There's not much that's different now. I think that Half the Sky's play suggests that NocturneMage is mafia, however that was something I probably shouldn't have said because it's not really provable. You can draw your own conclusion if you want, or just ignore it.

LightningStrike, sorry I didn't answer your question earlier, but I had answered it a few posts previously and I was saving my 4k post for the very special reason of calling NocturneMage mafia. I was already playing with Half the Sky assumed as mafia, so my reads aren't affected by the flip in itself, it's the way that Half the Sky played that might have an affect on my reads, but that's probably an argument I will need to drop.

On December 06 2015 09:24 NocturneMage wrote:
shining re: your post

well somewhere I'm wrong on Palmar/LS/Trfel/DYH as scumleans because there are only two scummers left.

I really honestly don't know where the LS townreads are coming from, when I afked around I think 1800 or whatever my time I tried to see him in a town lens but every interaction just keeps pointing me back to a VERY strong associative read between LS and HTS, like I'm sure it's LS/HTS/+1.

He didn't push HTS, it was questions/soft pushing at best and then he says that her end of cycle was questionable and I said then why didn't you push her on it? that should have been priority 1. and then he asks her a question after the fact.

then I afked, but I didn't read anything after that.

On December 06 2015 10:13 Trfel wrote:
Half the Sky is trying to WIFOM LightningStrike and she's really good at it.

But.....Bold emphasis mine.

On December 06 2015 10:30 The Shining wrote:


Tell me what you think of disfo and FF?