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Rels is looking very good to me through page 45. I don't agree with PART of the DYH case (#1 I think isn't alignment indicative, otherwise the case looks pretty good) and I don't agree with the LS read, it looks like he's basing part of that read on meta and someone else's meta read ("angry LS is town LS") and then the modconfirmation,
He is also struggling with Palmar as I am too.
I'm going to stop here, going to make a little something for a special someone and probably play a little League.
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On December 05 2015 08:37 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:43 Half the Sky wrote:
I got through LS's Drams filter, he had school/schoolwork in that game too but had way more pointed reads. Shining was spot on. I had a moment of doubt that maybe, just maybe Half the Sky is town. I checked LightningStrike's Day 1 from Battle of the Drams mafia and I did not see the difference described above (compared to this game). Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:28 The Shining wrote:On December 03 2015 07:25 Half the Sky wrote:
This is LS and he generally is a very emotional player. I know others can fake emotion but this IS LS.
LS, what do you think of Trfel and what do you think of Damdred? Talk to us for cripe's sake if you are town, you have half an hour.
Let me check Warcraft 3 since I am assuming that's the game that Shining is referring to? Drams is the game. And comparing the filters from the two games, there is a lot more reads and content from him in Drams then here over 2 pages. And his questions were much more pointed. The Shining also said that LightningStrike's Battle of the Drams Mafia filter had more reads and was more pointed than this game. Here is his filter. Can I get a fourth opinion? I counted 1 scumread on Day 1 in both filters, just this game he made the read (basically) himself and in that game it was purely sheeped. I didn't look too much at town reads, but I felt it was fairly similar (do note that Battle of the Drams was probably twice as long Day 1 as this game was, thus much more opportunity for reads). The question is, am I right, and if so, how possible is it for town to interpret this filter the other way?
Uh, was looking at the first 5 pages of his filter... which reads? Like I saw very few town reads and his scum reads where more like "I could lynch one of those three". So not pointed at all...
But I found this gem:
On October 03 2015 07:36 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Seriously what teh fuck is wrong with people?
"LightningStrike could you read the thread before you post because... you know that's how this game is played?"
"Every time I tried to talk to Rayn I felt like I hitting a brickwall voer and over and just gave up trying to talk since he so tunneled."
BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT"! YOU TREATED ME THE SAME FUCKING WAY YOU DID WHEN I DIDN'T READ THE FUCKING OP RIGHT IN OUR LAST GAME AND YOU EXPECT ME TO BE SCUM FOR THE SAME FUCKING THING I DID AS TOWN? JESUS CHRIST YOU'RE BAD
So he DOES that when he is town...
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On December 05 2015 09:13 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 08:37 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 07:43 Half the Sky wrote:
I got through LS's Drams filter, he had school/schoolwork in that game too but had way more pointed reads. Shining was spot on. I had a moment of doubt that maybe, just maybe Half the Sky is town. I checked LightningStrike's Day 1 from Battle of the Drams mafia and I did not see the difference described above (compared to this game). On December 03 2015 07:28 The Shining wrote:On December 03 2015 07:25 Half the Sky wrote:
This is LS and he generally is a very emotional player. I know others can fake emotion but this IS LS.
LS, what do you think of Trfel and what do you think of Damdred? Talk to us for cripe's sake if you are town, you have half an hour.
Let me check Warcraft 3 since I am assuming that's the game that Shining is referring to? Drams is the game. And comparing the filters from the two games, there is a lot more reads and content from him in Drams then here over 2 pages. And his questions were much more pointed. The Shining also said that LightningStrike's Battle of the Drams Mafia filter had more reads and was more pointed than this game. Here is his filter. Can I get a fourth opinion? I counted 1 scumread on Day 1 in both filters, just this game he made the read (basically) himself and in that game it was purely sheeped. I didn't look too much at town reads, but I felt it was fairly similar (do note that Battle of the Drams was probably twice as long Day 1 as this game was, thus much more opportunity for reads). The question is, am I right, and if so, how possible is it for town to interpret this filter the other way? Uh, was looking at the first 5 pages of his filter... which reads? Like I saw very few town reads and his scum reads where more like "I could lynch one of those three". So not pointed at all... But I found this gem: Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 07:36 LightningStrike wrote:On October 03 2015 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Seriously what teh fuck is wrong with people?
"LightningStrike could you read the thread before you post because... you know that's how this game is played?"
"Every time I tried to talk to Rayn I felt like I hitting a brickwall voer and over and just gave up trying to talk since he so tunneled."
BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT"! YOU TREATED ME THE SAME FUCKING WAY YOU DID WHEN I DIDN'T READ THE FUCKING OP RIGHT IN OUR LAST GAME AND YOU EXPECT ME TO BE SCUM FOR THE SAME FUCKING THING I DID AS TOWN? JESUS CHRIST YOU'RE BAD So he DOES that when he is town... The second quote was after the point where The Shining stopped reading, though. So you can't guarantee that he would have seen it.
How would you compare LightningStrike's filter (pre-yelling) this game to the Day 1 (and only the Day 1) of his filter last game?
And thanks a bunch for reading through that and sharing your thoughts 
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I think I am going to (for now) make the assumption that Rels is town because I need him to be town. And disformation, too.
The following is to Rels and disformation.
+ Show Spoiler +Step 1: I'm town + Show Spoiler +Hi, I'm town.
Rels, Remember that first game we played together? The Newbie game? Where I was mafia with WaveofShadow and we dominated? I looked really good for most of that game, and I was scum.
The game after that, I didn't play for ~two days, nearly got mislynched a few times I think, and ended up completely throwing the game for town. And the last two town games I've played, I was a lynch candidate throughout (though never seriously a wagon).
My point being that for some players (I'd say most), how "good" or "bad" they look (aka thread standing/status) doesn't really show their alignment.
In this game, I have been scumread a ton for my read progression at the start of Day 2. My play at this time was bad, because I made night kill analysis that had too many assumptions and was too likely to be wrong. And I changed my reads based on this analysis. However, there is no mafia motivation for doing this and at face value it does not say anything about my alignment.
Having just come off of a game as scum, I'm obviously town in this game because I often have trouble playing town after being scum, much less being mafia. That argument aside, my reads are based on completely different things this game than they are as scum. It's easy for me to look through a filter and call the person scum because of it, it's a lot harder to go through and analyze the mafia motivation and the ways that they could be town. I realize that this is self-meta and I am aware of it, but two things. First, I don't think it's something I can effectively replicate as mafia (though I've never tried). Second, it's extremely town motivated; you can evaluate my read progression for yourself, I think it's obvious that I am putting critical thought into the game and trying to consider things from every angle.
Other than the aforementioned night kill analysis, I think that my play has been fairly solid. I haven't really been scumread for anything other than the night kill analysis (and my read changes caused by it) and "playing to my scum meta", both arguments I have dismissed. Step 2: I think that too many people are mafia + Show Spoiler +I think that DoYouHas could maybe be mafia, his activity has seemed really low, however the case on Half the Sky (assuming for the moment that Half the Sky is scum) feels genuine. I don't have as much problem with the "I got nothing on Half the Sky" then "here's why Half the Sky is mafia" because his biggest point came after the first thing was said, but I need to check and see.
I'm assuming that you are town because I am.
I haven't looked at Fidei86 yet, but his activity has been really high lately. I've heard people use meta to say that high activity makes him 100% town, however that's not too reliable and I should look.
I think that Half the Sky is mafia.
I think that LightningStrike is town for a few reasons, but there's a small chance he could be mafia.
I think that The Shining is maybe town, but I haven't looked at him in a while. His play seemed very different after everyone stopped pushing him, I haven't really felt his thread presence much (though I could easily be wrong on both of these points). I liked his townread of me, but given that everyone else thinks the opposite this might actually suggest that he is mafia. And finally, I have no clue how he concluded that LightningStrike is scum in this game due to comparison with his Drams mafia filter.
I guess disformation is probably town, but he could be mafia. However, I'm assuming that he is town.
I think that NocturneMage is sort of mafia.
I think that Fecalfeast is sort of town, but he could be mafia.
I think that Palmar may be mafia.
Basically, that's seven people I think may be mafia with a reasonable enough chance (and that's not including my assumption that you two are town). Which is way too many. It is probably safe imo to consider Fecalfeast as town, leaving six people: Fidei86 (just because I haven't looked at him), Half the Sky, The Shining, NocturneMage, DoYouHas, and Palmar. Which still feels like a lot, given that I'm not completely sold on everyone else.
This makes it really hard for me to be confident in my reads because I'm suspicious of so many people? It makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong, like I'm stretching on my reasons to scumread people. I need some help/advice here? Step 3: I think that NocturneMage is mafia. I'm either right about this with great reasons, or I'm wrong, all my reasons are garbage, and NocturneMage is the most obvious town in the game. There's nothing in between, and this annoys me. + Show Spoiler +First of all, NocturneMage has been really really good at making himself look good and making me look really really bad. I don't know if this is indicative of him being town or mafia, but I need to say this first.
I feel that I've raised several good points against NocturneMage, and he's really good at seemingly dismissing them (without actually dismissing them) in a way that makes me look really bad (objectively bad, not necessarily alignment indicative, usually). He's able to do this because I've been saying way too much, and I haven't been focusing on the important things. Therefore, he's able to make huge arguments over things that don't matter, and ignore the important points. Or manipulate the argument into one that can't be resolved for either side. I'll probably take another try at explaining my reasons for scumreading NocturneMage soon, but making concise arguments that can't be argued into an argument that you can't prove (to everyone, not just yourself) are difficult for me.
Raising a ton of points instead of a few key ones is a really horrible habit of mine.
Basically, two questions.
1. Do my arguments for scumreading NocturneMage make any sense? Or am I completely on another planet? If the latter, then I'm probably just very wrong and a re-explanation doesn't change this.
2. Is NocturneMage obviously town for other reasons (namely, activity and thread presence) that no other argument could significantly change this? I personally don't think so, but I realize that I am biased.
Note that I still feel that my case against MoosyDoosy earlier was extremely strong, perhaps not a 99.9% read but an 80% read or so (MoosyDoosy's post-deadline posts don't fit with my mafia mindset for him, I can't ignore this). However, since Damdred didn't think so, and Damdred's a really good player, I have more doubt about that. Last time I was town, I made what I thought was a really solid case and Damdred completely disagreed and I was right, but Damdred could very well be right this time. What influence, if any, do you think MoosyDoosy's play has on determining NocturneMage's alignment? Step 4: Other people + Show Spoiler +What about the other players in the game? Unfortunately I'm busy and don't have time to go over everyone myself, but I'm mostly looking at Fidei86, The Shining, DoYouHas, and Palmar (excluding Half the Sky because she's very likely mafia, and NocturneMage because he was discussed earlier).
Do you feel that any of them can be put out of the "suspicious" range for now, and why? Do any of them deserve more attention? For the record, I'm spoilering this for only you two because no one else has shown willingness to work with me. Except for Fecalfeast, who so far has been too lazy to do much real work, so he doesn't count for this. It doesn't help town if I put out a ton of text about reads that I'm not sure about when no one else cares to talk about it with me. If there are any statements that you disagree with here, please explain. I'm very wrong, very often. Same if you want something to be elaborated on.
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On December 05 2015 09:32 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 09:13 disformation wrote:On December 05 2015 08:37 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 07:43 Half the Sky wrote:
I got through LS's Drams filter, he had school/schoolwork in that game too but had way more pointed reads. Shining was spot on. I had a moment of doubt that maybe, just maybe Half the Sky is town. I checked LightningStrike's Day 1 from Battle of the Drams mafia and I did not see the difference described above (compared to this game). On December 03 2015 07:28 The Shining wrote:On December 03 2015 07:25 Half the Sky wrote:
This is LS and he generally is a very emotional player. I know others can fake emotion but this IS LS.
LS, what do you think of Trfel and what do you think of Damdred? Talk to us for cripe's sake if you are town, you have half an hour.
Let me check Warcraft 3 since I am assuming that's the game that Shining is referring to? Drams is the game. And comparing the filters from the two games, there is a lot more reads and content from him in Drams then here over 2 pages. And his questions were much more pointed. The Shining also said that LightningStrike's Battle of the Drams Mafia filter had more reads and was more pointed than this game. Here is his filter. Can I get a fourth opinion? I counted 1 scumread on Day 1 in both filters, just this game he made the read (basically) himself and in that game it was purely sheeped. I didn't look too much at town reads, but I felt it was fairly similar (do note that Battle of the Drams was probably twice as long Day 1 as this game was, thus much more opportunity for reads). The question is, am I right, and if so, how possible is it for town to interpret this filter the other way? Uh, was looking at the first 5 pages of his filter... which reads? Like I saw very few town reads and his scum reads where more like "I could lynch one of those three". So not pointed at all... But I found this gem: On October 03 2015 07:36 LightningStrike wrote:On October 03 2015 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Seriously what teh fuck is wrong with people?
"LightningStrike could you read the thread before you post because... you know that's how this game is played?"
"Every time I tried to talk to Rayn I felt like I hitting a brickwall voer and over and just gave up trying to talk since he so tunneled."
BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT"! YOU TREATED ME THE SAME FUCKING WAY YOU DID WHEN I DIDN'T READ THE FUCKING OP RIGHT IN OUR LAST GAME AND YOU EXPECT ME TO BE SCUM FOR THE SAME FUCKING THING I DID AS TOWN? JESUS CHRIST YOU'RE BAD So he DOES that when he is town... The second quote was after the point where The Shining stopped reading, though. So you can't guarantee that he would have seen it. How would you compare LightningStrike's filter (pre-yelling) this game to the Day 1 (and only the Day 1) of his filter last game? And thanks a bunch for reading through that and sharing your thoughts
np, dude.
Hmm... his first post this game has like more reads than his whole D1 in Drams?
Though he posts a very similar post a bit later in Drams. Didn't he arrive a bit late in the thread this game?
Otherwise with looking at the context of Drams (117 pages D1, not reading that), I don't see any glaring differences in his posts, when compared to this. He has a pretty conversationalist style and doesn't seem to do cases, so from just reading his filter it is not easy to see the entire process. If you think I missed something, please feel free to point that out.
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On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens.
can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch?
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lol trfel "for rels and disform" (let me talk shit about fecalfeast but not really mention why he could be scum.)
Classic stuff, save me as a 'maybe' until later
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On December 05 2015 10:01 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 09:32 Trfel wrote:On December 05 2015 09:13 disformation wrote:On December 05 2015 08:37 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 07:43 Half the Sky wrote:
I got through LS's Drams filter, he had school/schoolwork in that game too but had way more pointed reads. Shining was spot on. I had a moment of doubt that maybe, just maybe Half the Sky is town. I checked LightningStrike's Day 1 from Battle of the Drams mafia and I did not see the difference described above (compared to this game). On December 03 2015 07:28 The Shining wrote:On December 03 2015 07:25 Half the Sky wrote:
This is LS and he generally is a very emotional player. I know others can fake emotion but this IS LS.
LS, what do you think of Trfel and what do you think of Damdred? Talk to us for cripe's sake if you are town, you have half an hour.
Let me check Warcraft 3 since I am assuming that's the game that Shining is referring to? Drams is the game. And comparing the filters from the two games, there is a lot more reads and content from him in Drams then here over 2 pages. And his questions were much more pointed. The Shining also said that LightningStrike's Battle of the Drams Mafia filter had more reads and was more pointed than this game. Here is his filter. Can I get a fourth opinion? I counted 1 scumread on Day 1 in both filters, just this game he made the read (basically) himself and in that game it was purely sheeped. I didn't look too much at town reads, but I felt it was fairly similar (do note that Battle of the Drams was probably twice as long Day 1 as this game was, thus much more opportunity for reads). The question is, am I right, and if so, how possible is it for town to interpret this filter the other way? Uh, was looking at the first 5 pages of his filter... which reads? Like I saw very few town reads and his scum reads where more like "I could lynch one of those three". So not pointed at all... But I found this gem: On October 03 2015 07:36 LightningStrike wrote:On October 03 2015 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Seriously what teh fuck is wrong with people?
"LightningStrike could you read the thread before you post because... you know that's how this game is played?"
"Every time I tried to talk to Rayn I felt like I hitting a brickwall voer and over and just gave up trying to talk since he so tunneled."
BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT"! YOU TREATED ME THE SAME FUCKING WAY YOU DID WHEN I DIDN'T READ THE FUCKING OP RIGHT IN OUR LAST GAME AND YOU EXPECT ME TO BE SCUM FOR THE SAME FUCKING THING I DID AS TOWN? JESUS CHRIST YOU'RE BAD So he DOES that when he is town... The second quote was after the point where The Shining stopped reading, though. So you can't guarantee that he would have seen it. How would you compare LightningStrike's filter (pre-yelling) this game to the Day 1 (and only the Day 1) of his filter last game? And thanks a bunch for reading through that and sharing your thoughts np, dude. Hmm... his first post this game has like more reads than his whole D1 in Drams? Though he posts a very similar post a bit later in Drams. Didn't he arrive a bit late in the thread this game? Otherwise with looking at the context of Drams (117 pages D1, not reading that), I don't see any glaring differences in his posts, when compared to this. He has a pretty conversationalist style and doesn't seem to do cases, so from just reading his filter it is not easy to see the entire process. If you think I missed something, please feel free to point that out.
Ya I did arrive late to this game because I had class at start of the game.
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yo LS you were sad that I brushed you off before what've you got for me
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I guess disformation is probably town, but he could be mafia. However, I'm assuming that he is town.
okay? Can I be a planar dragon, too? I've always wanted to be a planar dragon!
Well, that post will take a while to properly read and write an answer to. Will take a shower, get myself something to drink and try to write something up before I fall asleep (it is already 2 am here).
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On December 05 2015 10:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
yo LS you were sad that I brushed you off before what've you got for me
Ya I was wanting to know if you gotten anything from filter diving that the people you said you were going to?
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On December 05 2015 10:15 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 10:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
yo LS you were sad that I brushed you off before what've you got for me Ya I was wanting to know if you gotten anything from filter diving that the people you said you were going to?
didn't do it, who again?
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On December 05 2015 10:14 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +I guess disformation is probably town, but he could be mafia. However, I'm assuming that he is town. okay? Can I be a planar dragon, too? I've always wanted to be a planar dragon! Well, that post will take a while to properly read and write an answer to. Will take a shower, get myself something to drink and try to write something up before I fall asleep (it is already 2 am here).
olol wait we have basically the exact same description and yet the post is addressed to you and not me
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On December 05 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 10:15 LightningStrike wrote:On December 05 2015 10:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
yo LS you were sad that I brushed you off before what've you got for me Ya I was wanting to know if you gotten anything from filter diving that the people you said you were going to? didn't do it, who again?
I forgot you said you had 150 posts you catch up on I mean that. Did you get anything from those 150 posts that you were catching up on?
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On December 05 2015 10:14 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +I guess disformation is probably town, but he could be mafia. However, I'm assuming that he is town. okay? Can I be a planar dragon, too? I've always wanted to be a planar dragon! Well, that post will take a while to properly read and write an answer to. Will take a shower, get myself something to drink and try to write something up before I fall asleep (it is already 2 am here). Oof, didn't realize that. It's not urgent, pretty sure Half the Sky is getting lynched today anyway, and I'd be pretty darn happy if scum shoots me in the night.
Though I guess scum might shoot you in the night, which would make me really sad 
On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? Can I take this one, or did you want disformation to answer?
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On December 05 2015 10:18 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 05 2015 10:15 LightningStrike wrote:On December 05 2015 10:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
yo LS you were sad that I brushed you off before what've you got for me Ya I was wanting to know if you gotten anything from filter diving that the people you said you were going to? didn't do it, who again? I forgot you said you had 150 posts you catch up on I mean that. Did you get anything from those 150 posts that you were catching up on?
i only really commented on the palmar/fidei interaction but I think the lack of HTS + the lack of any real resistance to the HTS lynch means this is probably a full-steam-ahead bus situation. I think that trfel has been acting strange but outside of what I've already said I've not read much further into him. I think you're a little to focused on yourself, LS and would like to see sme reads from you.
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On December 05 2015 10:18 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 10:14 disformation wrote:I guess disformation is probably town, but he could be mafia. However, I'm assuming that he is town. okay? Can I be a planar dragon, too? I've always wanted to be a planar dragon! Well, that post will take a while to properly read and write an answer to. Will take a shower, get myself something to drink and try to write something up before I fall asleep (it is already 2 am here). Oof, didn't realize that. It's not urgent, pretty sure Half the Sky is getting lynched today anyway, and I'd be pretty darn happy if scum shoots me in the night. Though I guess scum might shoot you in the night, which would make me really sad Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? Can I take this one, or did you want disformation to answer?
no traps or secret plans everyone is free to answer
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On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? I'm clearly not playing this game right because I actually really, really like what disformation says here. But I didn't care that much when he first said it
Basically, DoYouHas (in the middle of Day 1 ish) stated that he was going to take a look at the people in the "middle" (because he felt that the most active/vocal people were town). Fair enough. He looked at Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, and disformation, and didn't get anything out of it. I'm not sure if this means he didn't get any scumreads out of this or if he didn't get any reads at all from this, if I can catch DoYouHas sometime I'd like to ask this.
From this, two things happened. First, he came up with a townread on disformation (because he was sheeping the wagon of his townreads, and mentioned disformation). Second, he got a scumread and case on Half the Sky Night 1, despite not getting much scummy (presumably) from her filter earlier.
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On December 05 2015 10:29 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? I'm clearly not playing this game right because I actually really, really like what disformation says here. But I didn't care that much when he first said it Basically, DoYouHas (in the middle of Day 1 ish) stated that he was going to take a look at the people in the "middle" (because he felt that the most active/vocal people were town). Fair enough. He looked at Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, and disformation, and didn't get anything out of it. I'm not sure if this means he didn't get any scumreads out of this or if he didn't get any reads at all from this, if I can catch DoYouHas sometime I'd like to ask this. From this, two things happened. First, he came up with a townread on disformation (because he was sheeping the wagon of his townreads, and mentioned disformation). Second, he got a scumread and case on Half the Sky Night 1, despite not getting much scummy (presumably) from her filter earlier.
Hm, I guess this makes sense. Maybe I need to look more closely but let's assume there's no shenanigans tomorrow and HTS flips red. What does that make you think of DYH?
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