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NocturneMage
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disformation
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On December 05 2015 07:42 NocturneMage wrote: hang on a second, why are you townreading ls? On December 05 2015 05:20 disformation wrote: Scrolled through these while eatings. Observations: You don't like being scum. Your filter is really short when scum. Your latest scum game (the first one on top) was kinda depressing. =p Tone wise I'd rather put you on the town side of things. But I don't feel like I really want to look into these games too hard, when we also have a game going on.  | ||
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It is not a slam dunk set in stone thing, but when looking at his past games, I feel this one is looking more in line with his town games. Especially compared to his kinda depressing last scum game. So more likely to be town!LS than scum!LS. | ||
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Trfel
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On December 05 2015 07:14 NocturneMage wrote: This is so, so, so, so, so stupid/wrong.ebwop - ls not taking many stances is mafia motivated because when he flips we can't sort out his teammates (or assuming an LS/HTS/+1 team) the final teammate. NocturneMage is mafia. Hand is numb and I can barely type. | ||
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Trfel
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On December 05 2015 03:49 Trfel wrote: Here, I say that it's really strange/scummy that NocturneMage keeps trying to convince his scum reads that they are scummy.NocturneMage read progression + Show Spoiler + [ignoring the first series of posts] Trfel's case on NocturneMage is terrible (no conclusion, tone seems to suggest Trfel is town, but town does that to their scumreads sometimes) Confident in two of the mafia Half the Sky and Fidei86 are mafia (Half the Sky for meta, voting analysis, mafia motive / Fidei86 for being different from his previous games) Sort of suspicious of Palmar (can't follow him) Suspicious of Fidei86 for soft-pushing Half the Sky Suspicious of Trfel for reversing NocturneMage read Explanation of the mafia motivation for Half the Sky lynching kushm4sta instead of LightningStrike Association between Fidei86 and Half the Sky Frustrated about being scumread (when he's under no threat of lynch?), no more scumread on Fidei86 (why???) Trfel is insane or mafia LightningStrike has a bad filter and his End of Day could easily come from scum (unrelated note, NocturneMage is using a ton of meta, often incorrectly applied, and then yelling at people for using meta... will check NocturneMage's meta use from previous town games, if it's not high, then meta suggests he is mafia  )LightningStrike made a dumb post Frustrated with LightningStrike's lack of scumreads Thinks that Fidei86 may not be mafia because he posted about associations between Half the Sky and LightningStrike Nonsensical post about LightningStrike (draws conclusions from nowhere, interprets things that he thinks LightningStrike is saying with no reason to do so) Doesn't understand a LightningStrike post Currently has Trfel and Fidei86 as scumreads (other than Half the Sky and LightningStrike) (Fidei86 for association and overall gameplay, Trfel for constant usage of terrible points to case people) Gets mad at LightningStrike for not understanding/accepting his argument about why Half the Sky is mafia (huh???? He's scumreading LightningStrike) More convinced that LightningStrike is mafia Top scum reads Half the Sky, Fidei86, LightningStrike, Trfel, needs to re-examine DoYouHas and Palmar Leaning mafia on Trfel, says that LightningStrike is mafia because of bad filter and associations with Half the Sky Strongly thinks LightningStrike is mafia (says he will lynch LightningStrike after Half the Sky) Scumreads LightningStrike because Half the Sky could motivate him to play, but tons of non-associative reasons too Says LightningStrike's post is bad, says that he wants someone to kill himself (?? LightningStrike is mafia, though??), asks a question to LightningStrike (but LightningStrike is mafia??) On the surface, this seems really bad. But that's "objectively bad", not mafia bad. Lunch, then a look for mafia motivation, and a look at meta. On December 05 2015 07:11 NocturneMage wrote: Here, NocturneMage comes back and starts out describing my (Trfel's) play to everyone else, but then he starts talking to me (Trfel) again. In addition to everything else (like me being scum enough that he talks to me condescendingly, but still explaining to me why I'm scum), he's trying to adjust his play based on what his scum read (me) is saying.deadline is tomorrow at 23 GMT. back to catching up. also love how scum Trfel is taking my argument out of context in post 1287, the coaching very likely would have existed through the end of cycle day 1, HTS is capable of giving advice beyond her participation (as in general coaching and/or motivation a good example is the whole whisky bullshit, it's just automatic after the first mislynch) and with the exception of LS's list post, his gameplay has still been mafia motivated, not giving reads, not really pushing anyone (except scumming Trfel and then dropping it) and then when I try to discuss HTS, he's like saying the exact same reason I'm voting her and then having her as null, it's basically saying he's not committing to something and I know last he was townreading me, don't recall him saying "NM is town but wrong on HTS" or taking stances that some of us can easily flesh out, aside from that list post. also saying my mafia play is like his in post 1301/1308 is just bad. town should be confident in their reads if they want to push lynches, I mean look at rayn (my exp from newbie 14), he just sauntered about, cursing about probably worse than I have as he tried to push his lynches, you have Shining this game whose tone comes off the same way - not quite as emotional or off-putting, but pretty straightforward, the holy crusade largely comes from me vs Dani, that is more personal than anything and at worst should not be alignment indicative, if you meant my intro I already explained that to Rels and it's somewhere in my filter. tldr - comparing me to you in post 1301 is just a poor argument and you're finding bad excuses for scumreads just like you did with my predecessor. resuming from page 25. I also scumread him for focusing on four people all the time and ignoring everyone else. He immediately starts talking about other people (The Shining and disformation). It's the same thing again. | ||
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Trfel
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On December 05 2015 08:04 NocturneMage wrote: What does this have to do with anything?congratulations on missing the part where I said I'm reading from page 25. if you are trolling me you are doing a great job of it. Two mafia is enough for me for now. I'd just prefer to make sure I'm right on the two. I believe NocturneMage said that Half the Sky might come back tomorrow (presumably European time) but probably not today. | ||
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On December 05 2015 08:12 Fecalfeast wrote: Ok am at work what's up boys I see hts still hasn't popped up? Guess she gave up? Hmmm... I think her last post was at start of N1 when kush flipped? So possible. Currently looking at Fidei86's filter. Any questions for me while I am around? Have you looked at DYH, yet? | ||
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Fecalfeast
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One thing I remember that I'll dig up is On December 04 2015 22:59 Palmar wrote: You're overthinking (possibly suspiciously?) You said it best yourself, now we kill hts. On December 04 2015 23:02 Fidei86 wrote: Lets leave it there and see what everyone else has to say. Don't want to hijack the thread totally. Which looks a little too much like he's trying to avoid palmar expanding further on his possible suspicions and/or not wanting to slip up and further those suspicions. additionally I don't like this On December 04 2015 22:00 Fidei86 wrote: Wow you actually do have four pages of filter. Okay. But I do disagree with you viz you "being towny" enough. It's actually not. When you get mislynched its almost always 50% on the idiots who lynched you and 50% on you for being scummy town. That's a really important thing that lots of people forget as town. this comes after fidei said "can we lynch you for not playing the game palmar?" and palmar retorted with his filter length. It looks like fidei saw a potential lynch option down the road and made a post without even checking palmar out. Could possibly indicate that fidei's not really reading since I remember at least seeing a number a palmar posts. I was going to comment on a possible overexplanation by fidei on why he is ok lynching hts because hts is probably aware of NM's ability to read her since they're married iirc but that's getting a little wifomy even for me | ||
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Fecalfeast
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On December 05 2015 08:17 disformation wrote: Hmmm... I think her last post was at start of N1 when kush flipped? So possible. Currently looking at Fidei86's filter. Any questions for me while I am around? Have you looked at DYH, yet? Right, no, on it chief. | ||
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NocturneMage
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On December 03 2015 06:44 Palmar wrote: No, it's more of an internal fight. I have two conflicting goals and I don't know how to proceed. 1) I want to lynch useless shit people just because I don't want to play with them. vs 2) I want to actually win the game so it's technically better to pray these baddies get shot or checked while trying to lynch mafia. I do not believe your case for Moosy being mafia. I think it doesn't say much about his alignment. His filter is terrible, but it's not mafia terrible, at least not to me. It's just plain terrible. I will, however, look at LS like damdy asked me to. This post strikes me as towny, he is laying his agenda out there but then here he goes later: On December 03 2015 07:54 Palmar wrote: I also said I misread one of his posts. I don't really care. LS is a fine lynch. DYH is being shit, but so are multiple other players. So that post and "I have no good reason to call LS town, so fuck it" and then that follows into the post where he said that kushmasta scumreading LS for shitty meta (or similar) was overexplanation, and (1) I disagreed with the reason and (2) I can't understand his move to kush when kush echoed a reason that, given Palmar's previous comments about LS, should have IMO resonated with Palmar. I cannot grasp at all between posts 728 and 738 why he switched the votes the way he did. that still looks really bad. posts after list posts and deciding to lynch hts because of his read on me and the whole sexy filter thing just come off as lazy town, like he's taking some sort of shortcut without reading the filter. then palmar says the overthinking possibly suspiciously? I don't understand where there was a basis to suggest Fidei's last response as possibly mafia motivated. overall, tough call. end of cycle voting looks really bad but looking hard at timestamps when he switched (2 minutes) he could have flubbed because he might have been lazy. I disagree that his progression is easy to follow though. | ||
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Fecalfeast
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On December 05 2015 08:35 NocturneMage wrote: Checking end of cycle or close to it... This post strikes me as towny, he is laying his agenda out there but then here he goes later: So that post and "I have no good reason to call LS town, so fuck it" and then that follows into the post where he said that kushmasta scumreading LS for shitty meta (or similar) was overexplanation, and (1) I disagreed with the reason and (2) I can't understand his move to kush when kush echoed a reason that, given Palmar's previous comments about LS, should have IMO resonated with Palmar. I cannot grasp at all between posts 728 and 738 why he switched the votes the way he did. that still looks really bad. posts after list posts and deciding to lynch hts because of his read on me and the whole sexy filter thing just come off as lazy town, like he's taking some sort of shortcut without reading the filter. then palmar says the overthinking possibly suspiciously? I don't understand where there was a basis to suggest Fidei's last response as possibly mafia motivated. overall, tough call. end of cycle voting looks really bad but looking hard at timestamps when he switched (2 minutes) he could have flubbed because he might have been lazy. I disagree that his progression is easy to follow though. Hm I didn't think of the bolded from that angle. | ||
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Trfel
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On December 03 2015 07:43 Half the Sky wrote: I had a moment of doubt that maybe, just maybe Half the Sky is town.I got through LS's Drams filter, he had school/schoolwork in that game too but had way more pointed reads. Shining was spot on. I checked LightningStrike's Day 1 from Battle of the Drams mafia and I did not see the difference described above (compared to this game). On December 03 2015 07:28 The Shining wrote: The Shining also said that LightningStrike's Battle of the Drams Mafia filter had more reads and was more pointed than this game.Drams is the game. And comparing the filters from the two games, there is a lot more reads and content from him in Drams then here over 2 pages. And his questions were much more pointed. Here is his filter. Can I get a fourth opinion? I counted 1 scumread on Day 1 in both filters, just this game he made the read (basically) himself and in that game it was purely sheeped. I didn't look too much at town reads, but I felt it was fairly similar (do note that Battle of the Drams was probably twice as long Day 1 as this game was, thus much more opportunity for reads). The question is, am I right, and if so, how possible is it for town to interpret this filter the other way? | ||
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NocturneMage
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On December 05 2015 08:27 Fecalfeast wrote: I think the fidei palmar interaction has palmar looking towny while fidei came out looking a little worse to me. One thing I remember that I'll dig up is Which looks a little too much like he's trying to avoid palmar expanding further on his possible suspicions and/or not wanting to slip up and further those suspicions. didn't fidei say something along the lines of not wanting to spam the thread? could work in paralle with hijacking the thread? although I can see where you are coming from, I just remembered fidei's first post. he doesn't seem to like spam. | ||
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On December 05 2015 08:39 NocturneMage wrote: didn't fidei say something along the lines of not wanting to spam the thread? could work in paralle with hijacking the thread? although I can see where you are coming from, I just remembered fidei's first post. he doesn't seem to like spam. Yeah, his first post said he didn't want ppl to spam the thread. | ||
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NocturneMage
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she'll return appropriately EU time, those concerned for her outside the game please take it to PM/dota land (and obviously don't discuss the game) I know she's uncomfortable discussing her personal life in the thread (in most cases). | ||
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