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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 09 2015 22:42 GMT
#2081
On December 10 2015 07:40 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 07:36 NocturneMage wrote:
Well okay, I'm not drunk but I had a glass of chianti.

Er, okay I lied, maybe two glasses of chianti.

But I'm still sober

Yeah, yeah. Complains about her drinking whisky, busts out the wine as soon as she goes to bed.

He got to 1 up her some how lol...
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 09 2015 22:44 GMT
#2082
On December 10 2015 07:40 NocturneMage wrote:
Anyhow I don't think I'm voting DYH tomorrow. Meh, I can't conceive it. Not from the voting.

*offers Trfel a glass of wine*
I can report this to the police XD

Also, League is no fun Starcraft or Hearthstone or go home!
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 09 2015 22:45 GMT
#2083
On December 10 2015 07:26 NocturneMage wrote:
Fidei's arguments on LS were quite good, LS was completely useless most of the game. There was nothing scummy about that. There's interactions and there's rest of play.

It makes perfect sense for him to townread people and then policy lynch someone that he was least sure of being town and had many scummy traits about him, and his position was he didn't find LS's emotions believable. Hell, I didn't either.

How does that make sense? Lynching people who you think are town is so scummy....
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 09 2015 22:47 GMT
#2084
On December 10 2015 07:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 07:40 disformation wrote:
On December 10 2015 07:36 NocturneMage wrote:
Well okay, I'm not drunk but I had a glass of chianti.

Er, okay I lied, maybe two glasses of chianti.

But I'm still sober

Yeah, yeah. Complains about her drinking whisky, busts out the wine as soon as she goes to bed.

He got to 1 up her some how lol...


I would have preferred a town HTS, but I do relish lynching her when she is mafia. There's a story behind it...

I have a much greater tolerance than she does though. Unfortunately she prefers Spanish/German wine or a good Bordeaux to Italian. Damn me.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 09 2015 22:48 GMT
#2085
On December 10 2015 07:45 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 07:26 NocturneMage wrote:
Fidei's arguments on LS were quite good, LS was completely useless most of the game. There was nothing scummy about that. There's interactions and there's rest of play.

It makes perfect sense for him to townread people and then policy lynch someone that he was least sure of being town and had many scummy traits about him, and his position was he didn't find LS's emotions believable. Hell, I didn't either.

How does that make sense? Lynching people who you think are town is so scummy....

Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 09 2015 22:48 GMT
#2086
On December 10 2015 07:45 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 07:26 NocturneMage wrote:
Fidei's arguments on LS were quite good, LS was completely useless most of the game. There was nothing scummy about that. There's interactions and there's rest of play.

It makes perfect sense for him to townread people and then policy lynch someone that he was least sure of being town and had many scummy traits about him, and his position was he didn't find LS's emotions believable. Hell, I didn't either.

How does that make sense? Lynching people who you think are town is so scummy....


Everyone was screaming meta in your defence, he had a good argument against it
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 09 2015 22:49 GMT
#2087
Sorry Trfel didn't realise you weren't old enough.

Oh well another glass of wine for me
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 09 2015 22:51 GMT
#2088
On December 10 2015 07:48 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 07:45 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 10 2015 07:26 NocturneMage wrote:
Fidei's arguments on LS were quite good, LS was completely useless most of the game. There was nothing scummy about that. There's interactions and there's rest of play.

It makes perfect sense for him to townread people and then policy lynch someone that he was least sure of being town and had many scummy traits about him, and his position was he didn't find LS's emotions believable. Hell, I didn't either.

How does that make sense? Lynching people who you think are town is so scummy....


Everyone was screaming meta in your defence, he had a good argument against it

You making me laugh Did you not noticed what I bolded?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 09 2015 22:52 GMT
#2089
On December 10 2015 07:49 NocturneMage wrote:
Sorry Trfel didn't realise you weren't old enough.

Oh well another glass of wine for me
Oh my....

I think it would be a good idea to change the night kill to yourself. This play clearly optimizes your chances of winning.
+ Show Spoiler +
If he's drunk enough, maybe he'll fall for it! XD
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 09 2015 22:53 GMT
#2090
On December 10 2015 06:27 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 06:03 NocturneMage wrote:
On December 10 2015 05:51 disformation wrote:
On December 10 2015 05:46 NocturneMage wrote:
On December 10 2015 05:16 disformation wrote:
On December 10 2015 05:07 disformation wrote:
On December 10 2015 03:49 disformation wrote:
Rels filter is totally long and hard. Will do that after dinner.


The fuck is my brain doing.
Rels is like the only one besides me trying to lynch DYH and on multiple occasions.
Don't think they can be a couple.


Facepalm.
Riiiiight. FF and Rels it was. Move along, nothing to see here.


It was after 2100 your time when you made that post. Chances of drunken post? Pretty high


You seem to be pretty obsessed with alcohol.


My family is from just north of Milan. So Italian wine 1000%.

What's the shame in that? A bit of sightseeing though and sadly I've turned Dani into a whisky fanatic though. Just fuck it.


Ah, yes. I think she mentioned that once. Must have been the time she told me she likes Riesling (German white wine from the region I live in).

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 06:04 NocturneMage wrote:
On December 10 2015 05:47 disformation wrote:
Rels on FF:


First mention of FF:
On December 07 2015 23:43 Rels wrote:
On December 07 2015 23:36 NocturneMage wrote:
actually looking at the way Damdred played the game come to think of it, the same concept I just discussed regarding Palmar applies to him. Plenty of games on him. He had more focus and direction day 1 but night 1 he did dick all, not sure if he was playing with the intention of trying to not be shot or if he was legit busy.

so same question regarding Damdred anyone else (besides LS based on modconfirmation) with reason to dread him?

Trfel / Shining / FF are the three players fitting this thing.
HTS did too though, so that might apply less on the N1 kill.

Not sure about this read though:
On December 08 2015 00:36 Rels wrote:
Well here is my mind right now:

Shining, disfo and LS are town.

Kills points at Trfel and fidei. DYH is also an attractive lynch, but kills don't point to him. Finally, fidei's point about NM's being so sure of HTS the minute he enters the thread makes some sense.

Looks like FF didn't make any list. Means he's likely town.

Then he is asked to read FF's filter and comes back with:
On December 08 2015 21:23 Rels wrote:
FF could be scum. Likely partner of that is the case: dyh.

At EoD "yesterday"
On December 09 2015 07:47 Rels wrote:
Trfel did too though. I'm OK with both actually
FF and Shining did too. At least Shining has his usual excuse



Yeah, dunno this doesn't look great either. Weird initial town lean into a not very well explained scum read, with 0 interaction. Doesn't like how FF shows up shortly b4 deadline, but doesn't do much about it either.


How about the context of the rest of their play? Between Rels and DYH, who is most likely?


You mean into the context of whose play I find to be more scummy? Well, I didn't wrote that case on DYH for nothing.
Hm, maybe I'll look into Rels once more, but his overall game so far has striken me as being rather townie.


Hmmmmmm.......

Did she tell you this in the mafia QT by any chance?



Commence drunk post analysis!
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 09 2015 22:54 GMT
#2091
On December 10 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 07:49 NocturneMage wrote:
Sorry Trfel didn't realise you weren't old enough.

Oh well another glass of wine for me
Oh my....

I think it would be a good idea to change the night kill to yourself. This play clearly optimizes your chances of winning.
+ Show Spoiler +
If he's drunk enough, maybe he'll fall for it! XD

I had seen a mafia roleblocker roleblock himself when the KPMG was delivered not factional :O
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 09 2015 22:54 GMT
#2092
lol LS, Fidei isn't scum.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 09 2015 22:54 GMT
#2093
On December 10 2015 07:53 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 06:27 disformation wrote:
On December 10 2015 06:03 NocturneMage wrote:
On December 10 2015 05:51 disformation wrote:
On December 10 2015 05:46 NocturneMage wrote:
On December 10 2015 05:16 disformation wrote:
On December 10 2015 05:07 disformation wrote:
On December 10 2015 03:49 disformation wrote:
Rels filter is totally long and hard. Will do that after dinner.


The fuck is my brain doing.
Rels is like the only one besides me trying to lynch DYH and on multiple occasions.
Don't think they can be a couple.


Facepalm.
Riiiiight. FF and Rels it was. Move along, nothing to see here.


It was after 2100 your time when you made that post. Chances of drunken post? Pretty high


You seem to be pretty obsessed with alcohol.


My family is from just north of Milan. So Italian wine 1000%.

What's the shame in that? A bit of sightseeing though and sadly I've turned Dani into a whisky fanatic though. Just fuck it.


Ah, yes. I think she mentioned that once. Must have been the time she told me she likes Riesling (German white wine from the region I live in).

On December 10 2015 06:04 NocturneMage wrote:
On December 10 2015 05:47 disformation wrote:
Rels on FF:


First mention of FF:
On December 07 2015 23:43 Rels wrote:
On December 07 2015 23:36 NocturneMage wrote:
actually looking at the way Damdred played the game come to think of it, the same concept I just discussed regarding Palmar applies to him. Plenty of games on him. He had more focus and direction day 1 but night 1 he did dick all, not sure if he was playing with the intention of trying to not be shot or if he was legit busy.

so same question regarding Damdred anyone else (besides LS based on modconfirmation) with reason to dread him?

Trfel / Shining / FF are the three players fitting this thing.
HTS did too though, so that might apply less on the N1 kill.

Not sure about this read though:
On December 08 2015 00:36 Rels wrote:
Well here is my mind right now:

Shining, disfo and LS are town.

Kills points at Trfel and fidei. DYH is also an attractive lynch, but kills don't point to him. Finally, fidei's point about NM's being so sure of HTS the minute he enters the thread makes some sense.

Looks like FF didn't make any list. Means he's likely town.

Then he is asked to read FF's filter and comes back with:
On December 08 2015 21:23 Rels wrote:
FF could be scum. Likely partner of that is the case: dyh.

At EoD "yesterday"
On December 09 2015 07:47 Rels wrote:
Trfel did too though. I'm OK with both actually
FF and Shining did too. At least Shining has his usual excuse



Yeah, dunno this doesn't look great either. Weird initial town lean into a not very well explained scum read, with 0 interaction. Doesn't like how FF shows up shortly b4 deadline, but doesn't do much about it either.


How about the context of the rest of their play? Between Rels and DYH, who is most likely?


You mean into the context of whose play I find to be more scummy? Well, I didn't wrote that case on DYH for nothing.
Hm, maybe I'll look into Rels once more, but his overall game so far has striken me as being rather townie.


Hmmmmmm.......

Did she tell you this in the mafia QT by any chance?



Commence drunk post analysis!


This came up when we were talking about the flavour for the haunted mansion game, which is based on a castle near where I live. Hence the talk about the wine of this region.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 09 2015 22:55 GMT
#2094
On December 10 2015 07:54 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:
On December 10 2015 07:49 NocturneMage wrote:
Sorry Trfel didn't realise you weren't old enough.

Oh well another glass of wine for me
Oh my....

I think it would be a good idea to change the night kill to yourself. This play clearly optimizes your chances of winning.
+ Show Spoiler +
If he's drunk enough, maybe he'll fall for it! XD

I had seen a mafia roleblocker roleblock himself when the KPMG was delivered not factional :O


OH GOD WHY DID YOU HAVE TO REMIND ME.

That wasn't me, but I was on that particular scumteam.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 09 2015 22:55 GMT
#2095
KP not KPMG.....
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 09 2015 22:56 GMT
#2096
On December 10 2015 07:55 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 07:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 10 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:
On December 10 2015 07:49 NocturneMage wrote:
Sorry Trfel didn't realise you weren't old enough.

Oh well another glass of wine for me
Oh my....

I think it would be a good idea to change the night kill to yourself. This play clearly optimizes your chances of winning.
+ Show Spoiler +
If he's drunk enough, maybe he'll fall for it! XD

I had seen a mafia roleblocker roleblock himself when the KPMG was delivered not factional :O


OH GOD WHY DID YOU HAVE TO REMIND ME.

That wasn't me, but I was on that particular scumteam.


Oh... that was the game with Rels, n00bKing and MoosyDoosy yelling at each other the whole time, right?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 09 2015 22:56 GMT
#2097
On December 10 2015 07:55 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 07:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 10 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:
On December 10 2015 07:49 NocturneMage wrote:
Sorry Trfel didn't realise you weren't old enough.

Oh well another glass of wine for me
Oh my....

I think it would be a good idea to change the night kill to yourself. This play clearly optimizes your chances of winning.
+ Show Spoiler +
If he's drunk enough, maybe he'll fall for it! XD

I had seen a mafia roleblocker roleblock himself when the KPMG was delivered not factional :O


OH GOD WHY DID YOU HAVE TO REMIND ME.

That wasn't me, but I was on that particular scumteam.

God bless based nibbling
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 09 2015 22:56 GMT
#2098
On December 10 2015 07:55 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 07:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 10 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:
On December 10 2015 07:49 NocturneMage wrote:
Sorry Trfel didn't realise you weren't old enough.

Oh well another glass of wine for me
Oh my....

I think it would be a good idea to change the night kill to yourself. This play clearly optimizes your chances of winning.
+ Show Spoiler +
If he's drunk enough, maybe he'll fall for it! XD

I had seen a mafia roleblocker roleblock himself when the KPMG was delivered not factional :O


OH GOD WHY DID YOU HAVE TO REMIND ME.

That wasn't me, but I was on that particular scumteam.
Wait, was it not an intentional play to prevent KP delivery?

How did this even happen!!?!?!?!
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 09 2015 22:57 GMT
#2099
Sigh I mean n00bking not nibbling....
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 09 2015 22:57 GMT
#2100
Is it 2300 yet? I don't think I can play League this tipsy now.

LOL that typo LS.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
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