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On December 09 2015 23:21 NocturneMage wrote:Fair enough Rels. I realise this is a mostly open setup, but I have a ways to go with setup spec/mechanics. HTS tried to explain to me how to balance 13-player games sometime back and I just told her to stop after 5 minutes because my head was spinning. I'm so bad  Anyhow need to afk again, curious to see the full case response disformation. 13 player game balance is really simple though? I can explain it in 30 seconds.
10 town and 3 mafia, you give the town 1.5-2 power roles and you give the mafia 1.5-2 power roles. Godfather and veteran are half power roles. Easy!
I mean, there's a bit that's more complex, but that's mostly enough ^^
I protest my vote switch to Fecalfeast being called a "yolo move", though. It may have been a guess, but it was a very educated guess!
Also, what the heck? Why is disformation saying that Onegu's filter is NAI and impossible to get a read from, after questioning it earlier? That wasn't even a point in The Shining's case, unless I badly misread it?
On December 10 2015 00:24 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2015 00:03 disformation wrote:On December 09 2015 23:51 LightningStrike wrote:On December 09 2015 22:46 disformation wrote:On December 09 2015 22:37 NocturneMage wrote:
Also when you have chance, can you answer post 1949?
Where Shining asks what are your next two lynches to win the game? Well. DYH duh. Currently my predictions for the rest of the game are: a) we lynch DYH D4. He flips, red we win. b) we lynch me D4. I flip green. We lynch DYH D5. He flips red, we win. In the off chance that I am wrong on DYH, or we assume a hypothetical situation, where there was no DYH, things get a bit complicated. Trfel looks very good as per the votes from yesterday. You bussing your roleblocker is still a bit too tinfoilly for me. Would also be a sick play, though. The Shining is tunneled town. Still think Rels is town, not 100% here though. So that PoE leaves me with Fidei86 and LS. Fidei86 only started to really try and solve the game, after a few ppl started to get really suspicious of him yesterday. I don't like that LS mostly coasts by off screaming around at EoD and his mighty case, was a 80% rip off of mine. I have to at least sue him for intellectual property theft. :p I did give you credit for some of your work at least. The suing part was totally a joke.  Sorry I went full Romanian  Never go full Romanian guys. I thought this was a TL Starcraft phrase? Evidently it carried to the LoL site also?
On December 10 2015 00:26 disformation wrote:I think the part with onegus filter should have said, open AT own risk and I am not accountable FOR any injuries. english hard language. I'll probably be semi around today, trying to get a bit of stuff done home office style, this game has eaten a fair share of my time and I am a bit behind on a few things. If you have further questions just shoot, cause mafia won't. Disformation is making me laugh so much XD
And I think that it makes him even more mafia. I get the impression that he's focused on having fun here, primarily, instead of trying to lynch mafia, which while this is a great approach and should be the approach that everyone has all the time, isn't something I expected to see from disformation. Could be very wrong on this, though, but I don't care to find out.
On December 10 2015 02:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Tfrel can I ask you a favor please? As long as it doesn't involve reading the thread, sure?
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On December 10 2015 02:16 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 23:21 NocturneMage wrote:Fair enough Rels. I realise this is a mostly open setup, but I have a ways to go with setup spec/mechanics. HTS tried to explain to me how to balance 13-player games sometime back and I just told her to stop after 5 minutes because my head was spinning. I'm so bad Anyhow need to afk again, curious to see the full case response disformation. 13 player game balance is really simple though? I can explain it in 30 seconds. 10 town and 3 mafia, you give the town 1.5-2 power roles and you give the mafia 1.5-2 power roles. Godfather and veteran are half power roles. Easy! I mean, there's a bit that's more complex, but that's mostly enough ^^ I protest my vote switch to Fecalfeast being called a "yolo move", though. It may have been a guess, but it was a very educated guess! Also, what the heck? Why is disformation saying that Onegu's filter is NAI and impossible to get a read from, after questioning it earlier? That wasn't even a point in The Shining's case, unless I badly misread it? Show nested quote +On December 10 2015 00:24 LightningStrike wrote:On December 10 2015 00:03 disformation wrote:On December 09 2015 23:51 LightningStrike wrote:On December 09 2015 22:46 disformation wrote:On December 09 2015 22:37 NocturneMage wrote:
Also when you have chance, can you answer post 1949?
Where Shining asks what are your next two lynches to win the game? Well. DYH duh. Currently my predictions for the rest of the game are: a) we lynch DYH D4. He flips, red we win. b) we lynch me D4. I flip green. We lynch DYH D5. He flips red, we win. In the off chance that I am wrong on DYH, or we assume a hypothetical situation, where there was no DYH, things get a bit complicated. Trfel looks very good as per the votes from yesterday. You bussing your roleblocker is still a bit too tinfoilly for me. Would also be a sick play, though. The Shining is tunneled town. Still think Rels is town, not 100% here though. So that PoE leaves me with Fidei86 and LS. Fidei86 only started to really try and solve the game, after a few ppl started to get really suspicious of him yesterday. I don't like that LS mostly coasts by off screaming around at EoD and his mighty case, was a 80% rip off of mine. I have to at least sue him for intellectual property theft. :p I did give you credit for some of your work at least. The suing part was totally a joke. Sorry I went full Romanian Never go full Romanian guys. I thought this was a TL Starcraft phrase? Evidently it carried to the LoL site also? Show nested quote +On December 10 2015 00:26 disformation wrote:I think the part with onegus filter should have said, open AT own risk and I am not accountable FOR any injuries. english hard language. I'll probably be semi around today, trying to get a bit of stuff done home office style, this game has eaten a fair share of my time and I am a bit behind on a few things. If you have further questions just shoot, cause mafia won't. Disformation is making me laugh so much XD And I think that it makes him even more mafia. I get the impression that he's focused on having fun here, primarily, instead of trying to lynch mafia, which while this is a great approach and should be the approach that everyone has all the time, isn't something I expected to see from disformation. Could be very wrong on this, though, but I don't care to find out. Show nested quote +On December 10 2015 02:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Tfrel can I ask you a favor please? As long as it doesn't involve reading the thread, sure?
I wanted you to read disformation's response to shining'so case on him :o
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And Yes Trfel it carried over to LoL site too lol....
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On December 10 2015 02:22 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2015 02:16 Trfel wrote:On December 09 2015 23:21 NocturneMage wrote:Fair enough Rels. I realise this is a mostly open setup, but I have a ways to go with setup spec/mechanics. HTS tried to explain to me how to balance 13-player games sometime back and I just told her to stop after 5 minutes because my head was spinning. I'm so bad Anyhow need to afk again, curious to see the full case response disformation. 13 player game balance is really simple though? I can explain it in 30 seconds. 10 town and 3 mafia, you give the town 1.5-2 power roles and you give the mafia 1.5-2 power roles. Godfather and veteran are half power roles. Easy! I mean, there's a bit that's more complex, but that's mostly enough ^^ I protest my vote switch to Fecalfeast being called a "yolo move", though. It may have been a guess, but it was a very educated guess! Also, what the heck? Why is disformation saying that Onegu's filter is NAI and impossible to get a read from, after questioning it earlier? That wasn't even a point in The Shining's case, unless I badly misread it? On December 10 2015 00:24 LightningStrike wrote:On December 10 2015 00:03 disformation wrote:On December 09 2015 23:51 LightningStrike wrote:On December 09 2015 22:46 disformation wrote:On December 09 2015 22:37 NocturneMage wrote:
Also when you have chance, can you answer post 1949?
Where Shining asks what are your next two lynches to win the game? Well. DYH duh. Currently my predictions for the rest of the game are: a) we lynch DYH D4. He flips, red we win. b) we lynch me D4. I flip green. We lynch DYH D5. He flips red, we win. In the off chance that I am wrong on DYH, or we assume a hypothetical situation, where there was no DYH, things get a bit complicated. Trfel looks very good as per the votes from yesterday. You bussing your roleblocker is still a bit too tinfoilly for me. Would also be a sick play, though. The Shining is tunneled town. Still think Rels is town, not 100% here though. So that PoE leaves me with Fidei86 and LS. Fidei86 only started to really try and solve the game, after a few ppl started to get really suspicious of him yesterday. I don't like that LS mostly coasts by off screaming around at EoD and his mighty case, was a 80% rip off of mine. I have to at least sue him for intellectual property theft. :p I did give you credit for some of your work at least. The suing part was totally a joke. Sorry I went full Romanian Never go full Romanian guys. I thought this was a TL Starcraft phrase? Evidently it carried to the LoL site also? On December 10 2015 00:26 disformation wrote:I think the part with onegus filter should have said, open AT own risk and I am not accountable FOR any injuries. english hard language. I'll probably be semi around today, trying to get a bit of stuff done home office style, this game has eaten a fair share of my time and I am a bit behind on a few things. If you have further questions just shoot, cause mafia won't. Disformation is making me laugh so much XD And I think that it makes him even more mafia. I get the impression that he's focused on having fun here, primarily, instead of trying to lynch mafia, which while this is a great approach and should be the approach that everyone has all the time, isn't something I expected to see from disformation. Could be very wrong on this, though, but I don't care to find out. On December 10 2015 02:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Tfrel can I ask you a favor please? As long as it doesn't involve reading the thread, sure? I wanted you to read disformation's response to shining'so case on him :o I think that it's extremely suspicious that he basically says "I think that some points were misrepresented or overblown", indicating that he thinks that the rest of the points are fine. This really doesn't feel like something that town would say.
To say much more than that, I'd need to actually read the thread and filters to see context, which I'm not going to do because we win anyway 
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On December 10 2015 02:27 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2015 02:22 LightningStrike wrote:On December 10 2015 02:16 Trfel wrote:On December 09 2015 23:21 NocturneMage wrote:Fair enough Rels. I realise this is a mostly open setup, but I have a ways to go with setup spec/mechanics. HTS tried to explain to me how to balance 13-player games sometime back and I just told her to stop after 5 minutes because my head was spinning. I'm so bad Anyhow need to afk again, curious to see the full case response disformation. 13 player game balance is really simple though? I can explain it in 30 seconds. 10 town and 3 mafia, you give the town 1.5-2 power roles and you give the mafia 1.5-2 power roles. Godfather and veteran are half power roles. Easy! I mean, there's a bit that's more complex, but that's mostly enough ^^ I protest my vote switch to Fecalfeast being called a "yolo move", though. It may have been a guess, but it was a very educated guess! Also, what the heck? Why is disformation saying that Onegu's filter is NAI and impossible to get a read from, after questioning it earlier? That wasn't even a point in The Shining's case, unless I badly misread it? On December 10 2015 00:24 LightningStrike wrote:On December 10 2015 00:03 disformation wrote:On December 09 2015 23:51 LightningStrike wrote:On December 09 2015 22:46 disformation wrote:On December 09 2015 22:37 NocturneMage wrote:
Also when you have chance, can you answer post 1949?
Where Shining asks what are your next two lynches to win the game? Well. DYH duh. Currently my predictions for the rest of the game are: a) we lynch DYH D4. He flips, red we win. b) we lynch me D4. I flip green. We lynch DYH D5. He flips red, we win. In the off chance that I am wrong on DYH, or we assume a hypothetical situation, where there was no DYH, things get a bit complicated. Trfel looks very good as per the votes from yesterday. You bussing your roleblocker is still a bit too tinfoilly for me. Would also be a sick play, though. The Shining is tunneled town. Still think Rels is town, not 100% here though. So that PoE leaves me with Fidei86 and LS. Fidei86 only started to really try and solve the game, after a few ppl started to get really suspicious of him yesterday. I don't like that LS mostly coasts by off screaming around at EoD and his mighty case, was a 80% rip off of mine. I have to at least sue him for intellectual property theft. :p I did give you credit for some of your work at least. The suing part was totally a joke. Sorry I went full Romanian Never go full Romanian guys. I thought this was a TL Starcraft phrase? Evidently it carried to the LoL site also? On December 10 2015 00:26 disformation wrote:I think the part with onegus filter should have said, open AT own risk and I am not accountable FOR any injuries. english hard language. I'll probably be semi around today, trying to get a bit of stuff done home office style, this game has eaten a fair share of my time and I am a bit behind on a few things. If you have further questions just shoot, cause mafia won't. Disformation is making me laugh so much XD And I think that it makes him even more mafia. I get the impression that he's focused on having fun here, primarily, instead of trying to lynch mafia, which while this is a great approach and should be the approach that everyone has all the time, isn't something I expected to see from disformation. Could be very wrong on this, though, but I don't care to find out. On December 10 2015 02:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Tfrel can I ask you a favor please? As long as it doesn't involve reading the thread, sure? I wanted you to read disformation's response to shining'so case on him :o I think that it's extremely suspicious that he basically says "I think that some points were misrepresented or overblown", indicating that he thinks that the rest of the points are fine. This really doesn't feel like something that town would say. To say much more than that, I'd need to actually read the thread and filters to see context, which I'm not going to do because we win anyway
What can I say. My D2 this game was pretty poorly with the HtS stuff. Last game my D1/N1 were poor. My goal is to really sandbag hard next games D3, so this can become a thing.
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On December 10 2015 02:16 Trfel wrote:
Disformation is making me laugh so much XD
And I think that it makes him even more mafia. I get the impression that he's focused on having fun here, primarily, instead of trying to lynch mafia, which while this is a great approach and should be the approach that everyone has all the time, isn't something I expected to see from disformation. Could be very wrong on this, though, but I don't care to find out.
Glad to be of service. But did you forget last game N1 when I was defending myself from moosydoosy and told him something along the lines of:
"if you repeat that [saying "disformation is scum"] three times while doing a naked handstand in front of a mirror the mighty fairy ticktoc [who was hosting the game] will descend from the heavens and gift me a shiny mafia role pm wrapped in rainbows."?
That was the same post I started to call moosydoosy sweetheart and cupcake. That post was dope as hell, if you ask me.
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I actually have an easy (read: yolo-level) tell to figure out if disformation is scum.
You guys mislynched a blue right? If Dani wasn't so sick she'd have 100% been drinking a lot. Lynching a blue role is big for scum.
Dani always encourages her scummates to drink a lot around end of cycle. Mislynches and nightkills are causes for celebration.
Check to see if disformation was making any drunk posts after the mislynch? Same for dayposts.
Or maybe a few too many typos? That should tell you something.
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I would say try and do the same for DYH maybe but his activity might not have been as high to tell as easily.
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Man, this game is funny.
I almost want to read Day 3 now, but I'm guessing that based on NocturneMage's comments, the fun only began after the lynch. Oh well.
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In her first game as mafia, her scumteam lynched the goddamn veteran day 1 (how the fuck they pulled that shit off, fuck if I knew) despite him claiming. It was fucking unbelievable.
Now I already knew she was mafia by then, so it didn't matter but I saw her pour THREE shots of Glenfiddich that game and she just downed them like that.
And I'm just standing there shaking my head.
She has to keep her consumption on the low side now as she recovers and eventually trains for the Boston marathon in April but I'm pretty sure she'd have taken at least one shot MAYBE two had she been well enough.
There is a reason I go insane hard pushing....her endgaming me means (1) I'll never hear the end of it and (2) Dani goes on full whisky rage drinking through post-game.
Don't want to see that happening again, at least in games that I'm in with her.
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That said I think hosts need to stop giving HTS mafia role PMs. That would help massively.
Silly RNG.
On a serious note, though, Trfel in response to 2024, if he thinks Shining is confirmation biasing he needs to come up with a credible way of finding the last scum. I'm still waiting for his response to post 1997 and 2014
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On December 10 2015 03:05 NocturneMage wrote:In her first game as mafia, her scumteam lynched the goddamn veteran day 1 (how the fuck they pulled that shit off, fuck if I knew) despite him claiming. It was fucking unbelievable.Now I already knew she was mafia by then, so it didn't matter but I saw her pour THREE shots of Glenfiddich that game and she just downed them like that. And I'm just standing there shaking my head. She has to keep her consumption on the low side now as she recovers and eventually trains for the Boston marathon in April but I'm pretty sure she'd have taken at least one shot MAYBE two had she been well enough. There is a reason I go insane hard pushing....her endgaming me means (1) I'll never hear the end of it and (2) Dani goes on full whisky rage drinking through post-game. Don't want to see that happening again, at least in games that I'm in with her. Oh hush you, I had next to zero experience back then....
Would she drink if her team won the game, despite her being lynched Day 2? IE, do we still have to win this game?
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So back to work: FF has a 5 page filter and the last page of that is kinda useless imo.
Trying to look at his interactions and sfuff:
A study of the social behaviour and interactions of a wild Fecalfeast
Derived from this studies I hope to establish how a wild Fecalfeast goes about in selecting his mating partners, by observing behaviour patterns.
Upon arriving at the scene FF can be seen to be very engaging and conversing with Trfel, LightningStrike and Damdred. He seems especially interested in Trfel's filter and starts to dig around in that, with his sharp claws (i hope sharp claws are metal enough).
Note that he randomly soft defends me on some very minor point here:
On December 03 2015 09:16 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 16:42 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 08:49 disformation wrote:On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote:
Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while.
Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Tired as hell. When I first read it I was like kinda amused by the hero thing, triggering my immediate reaction (the first post). Then I read it again and thought that it was a kinda unusual thing for Damdred to post and remembered that I was criticized for a very similar thing (over constructed first post shortly after the start of the game) in my first game here. So I asked him the same question I was asked. The advise itself is probably valid though. Wait a second, disformation... You've only rolled town on TL, correct? So if you were town and someone questioned you for a "constructed" post, then why would you ask someone else about this? What did you hope to get out of your question? Based on Damdred's answers, do you have a conclusion now? Not a bad point on disform at face value but if disform wasn't sure of his play before and has since learned that constructed posts are scummy, what's the problem calling out something he has learned to be generally scummy?
But does he do so because he already is my partner, wishes to buddy me or simply wants something minor to talk about? Evidence not conclusive at this point.
Notice how he approaches Trfel, when Trfel seems to be kinda frustrated and "out of it". Like our Fecalfeast here is trying to say "Everything is alright, I'm going to read your posts and we are going to be best buddies forever!".
After throwing out some suspicions in the direction of NM he then starts with his fallout comments and attempts to withdraw himself from the rest of the pack.
After that he shifts his suspicions towards Fidei86 and Trfel, away from NM. Does push a bit on Fidei, but only very softly.
Finally mentions DYH:
On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch?
On December 05 2015 10:55 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 10:29 Trfel wrote:On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? I'm clearly not playing this game right because I actually really, really like what disformation says here. But I didn't care that much when he first said it Basically, DoYouHas (in the middle of Day 1 ish) stated that he was going to take a look at the people in the "middle" (because he felt that the most active/vocal people were town). Fair enough. He looked at Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, and disformation, and didn't get anything out of it. I'm not sure if this means he didn't get any scumreads out of this or if he didn't get any reads at all from this, if I can catch DoYouHas sometime I'd like to ask this. From this, two things happened. First, he came up with a townread on disformation (because he was sheeping the wagon of his townreads, and mentioned disformation). Second, he got a scumread and case on Half the Sky Night 1, despite not getting much scummy (presumably) from her filter earlier. Hm, I guess this makes sense. Maybe I need to look more closely but let's assume there's no shenanigans tomorrow and HTS flips red. What does that make you think of DYH?
But shifts away from DYH fast back onto NM:
On December 05 2015 11:07 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 11:01 Trfel wrote:On December 05 2015 10:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 05 2015 10:29 Trfel wrote:On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? I'm clearly not playing this game right because I actually really, really like what disformation says here. But I didn't care that much when he first said it Basically, DoYouHas (in the middle of Day 1 ish) stated that he was going to take a look at the people in the "middle" (because he felt that the most active/vocal people were town). Fair enough. He looked at Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, and disformation, and didn't get anything out of it. I'm not sure if this means he didn't get any scumreads out of this or if he didn't get any reads at all from this, if I can catch DoYouHas sometime I'd like to ask this. From this, two things happened. First, he came up with a townread on disformation (because he was sheeping the wagon of his townreads, and mentioned disformation). Second, he got a scumread and case on Half the Sky Night 1, despite not getting much scummy (presumably) from her filter earlier. Hm, I guess this makes sense. Maybe I need to look more closely but let's assume there's no shenanigans tomorrow and HTS flips red. What does that make you think of DYH? I'm fairly suspicious of DoYouHas. I'm not really sure what implications a Half the Sky scum flip would have on DoYouHas. Do you have any thoughts about NocturneMage or anyone else that you want to talk about? DYH brought up HTS as possibler scum before NM and NM referenced DYH in his post calling HTS scummy. I think NM's entrance set a bit of a scummy tone initially but his recent postings have been pointed and he seems to be following a logical thought progression. He's obviously very confident in his HTS read which is why I'm sheeped all over that. I think NM is towny though I'm pretty allergic to deep reading right now. also he has 5 pages after replacing in night 1, is NM known to be a high effort scum?
Later he sheeps NM... (wasn't that a scum lean just now?
On December 08 2015 12:29 Fecalfeast wrote:
shamelessly sheeping NM while i get my new SSD all up and running
##vote trfel
consider me a gullible extra vote bot for now i guess
So unlikely partners:
Trfel - very waffly about that one.
NM - feels more like he was trying to find reasons to scum read him... until suddenly sheeping him.
The Shining - agrees with a list post of The Shining and laters gives him an easy town read.
So possible partners:
Me - Overall awkward interactions and that one strange thing where he soft defended me.
Rels - Basically only two very very short mentions of him in his filter and no interactions.
DYH - Only talks about him when pressed multiple times, seems to consider him for a moment, then deflects off onto NM. No interactions.
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Yes.
In Void, HTS and her team mutually agreed to sacrifice her, and successfully did so, and she kept drinking until her teammates finished the job Day 5.
When they endgamed, she drank like she would if she had been alive.
So we need to finish the job.
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disformation, can you analyse the interactions from both sides? You suspect Rels and DYH, so now do it from those two players sides.
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On December 10 2015 03:26 NocturneMage wrote:
disformation, can you analyse the interactions from both sides? You suspect Rels and DYH, so now do it from those two players sides.
Sure thing. Will be doing FF really quick.
All of DYH's mentions/interactions with FF in the following spoiler. As a bonus I threw all mentions/interactions with Onegu in it, too. So this is another huge one! open with care!
+ Show Spoiler +On December 04 2015 09:13 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 09:07 Trfel wrote:On December 04 2015 09:03 NocturneMage wrote:
I also don't like Trfels turning around on this either.
What the hell are we using WIFOM arguments for? Because they're really darn accurate. Night kill analysis is amazing. @Fecalfeast, why else would Damdred be killed? The NocturneMage read seems to be by far the most likely. And that wasn't the only reason that I mentioned that the night kill makes me want to lynch NocturneMage less. It could be as simple as Damdred is a solid town player, and was read as town by the majority of the players. He clearly had influence as evidenced by the LS wagon. That is enough to make him a good kill. His reads are worth more now that we know for sure he was town, and should be considered carefully, but there is plenty to make him a good nightkill beyond his reads. (Sorry, I know you wanted FF to answer) On December 06 2015 07:04 DoYouHas wrote:
My PoE right now looks like this:
Town: Rels, Shining, LS(I am still on board with the EoD VT claim)
Townlean: Disfo, Palmar, Fid (need to look into him more)
Unfiltered: NM, FF
Suspicious but incomplete: Trfel
Scum: HTS
"FF? Who? Nah, didn't even look at him."
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On December 10 2015 03:31 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2015 03:26 NocturneMage wrote:
disformation, can you analyse the interactions from both sides? You suspect Rels and DYH, so now do it from those two players sides. Sure thing. Will be doing FF really quick. All of DYH's mentions/interactions with FF in the following spoiler. As a bonus I threw all mentions/interactions with Onegu in it, too. So this is another huge one! open with care! + Show Spoiler +On December 04 2015 09:13 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 09:07 Trfel wrote:On December 04 2015 09:03 NocturneMage wrote:
I also don't like Trfels turning around on this either.
What the hell are we using WIFOM arguments for? Because they're really darn accurate. Night kill analysis is amazing. @Fecalfeast, why else would Damdred be killed? The NocturneMage read seems to be by far the most likely. And that wasn't the only reason that I mentioned that the night kill makes me want to lynch NocturneMage less. It could be as simple as Damdred is a solid town player, and was read as town by the majority of the players. He clearly had influence as evidenced by the LS wagon. That is enough to make him a good kill. His reads are worth more now that we know for sure he was town, and should be considered carefully, but there is plenty to make him a good nightkill beyond his reads. (Sorry, I know you wanted FF to answer) On December 06 2015 07:04 DoYouHas wrote:
My PoE right now looks like this:
Town: Rels, Shining, LS(I am still on board with the EoD VT claim)
Townlean: Disfo, Palmar, Fid (need to look into him more)
Unfiltered: NM, FF
Suspicious but incomplete: Trfel
Scum: HTS
"FF? Who? Nah, didn't even look at him."
Eh. THis was DYH on FF.
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AFK yet again. Decent chance I might not return until end of cycle.
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Rels filter is totally long and hard. Will do that after dinner.
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On December 10 2015 03:49 disformation wrote:
Rels filter is totally long and hard. Will do that after dinner.
The fuck is my brain doing.
Rels is like the only one besides me trying to lynch DYH and on multiple occasions.
Don't think they can be a couple.
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