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LightningStrike
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At 3 mins before EoD was when Tfrel, Shining, and disformation did switch FF from their original vote line(I believe this was partly due some cases being made but I will check the thread on that). | ||
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On December 09 2015 22:46 disformation wrote: Well. DYH duh. Currently my predictions for the rest of the game are: a) we lynch DYH D4. He flips, red we win. b) we lynch me D4. I flip green. We lynch DYH D5. He flips red, we win. In the off chance that I am wrong on DYH, or we assume a hypothetical situation, where there was no DYH, things get a bit complicated. Trfel looks very good as per the votes from yesterday. You bussing your roleblocker is still a bit too tinfoilly for me. Would also be a sick play, though. The Shining is tunneled town. Still think Rels is town, not 100% here though. So that PoE leaves me with Fidei86 and LS. Fidei86 only started to really try and solve the game, after a few ppl started to get really suspicious of him yesterday. I don't like that LS mostly coasts by off screaming around at EoD and his mighty case, was a 80% rip off of mine. I have to at least sue him for intellectual property theft. :p I did give you credit for some of your work at least. | ||
disformation
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![]() The following spoiler contains the whole lot of Onegu's filter. Warning: open on own risk, it is kinda huge and the mass could smother you. I will not be accountable to any injuries. + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2015 00:29 Onegu wrote: Onegu VT claim. Be back later Sooo... If anyone has advise on how to get a read from that, I will gladly listen to that. ![]() Otherwise I am really not sure how in the nine hells I am supposed to have a read on him. I hereby boldly proclaim that not having a read on Onegu is probably NAI. On December 09 2015 14:37 The Shining wrote: If HtS is his partner here, here's very aware of her re-reading him. I'm not sure what to make of it but her having to flesh out her Disfo could be a distancing on having to read him one way or the other. I'll have to check her filter to see if she ever got around to it. But look at HtS lynch list. This was early enough that I don't think bussing or soft pushing was plausible. Onegu is "straight policy", not a good lynch becuz that was the FF slot, aka her scum partner. But willing to lynch kush/DYH...kush flipped town. I'm thinking DYH would, too. And the way he's asking her why she wants to re-read him here is weird. It's not like he's trying to figure out her alignment, he's just asking her what she's doing. Remember that when she was lynched, he still had her at null and didn't vote her. No HtS never got to rereading me. Also remember she never pushed DYH D1? Or voted him for what I can remember. Could have easily be a scum lean on a partner to hide the connection. On December 09 2015 14:37 The Shining wrote: This post is interesting because someone, can't remember who, said the whole idea of "fuck this game is hard" is a mafia tactic to discourage and throw town on tilt. Rels mentions Onegu's absence being NAI but disformation neither agrees nor disagrees here. Also, the quote tree is from Rels to Shining, asking me to read DYH's filter. Disformation chose to answer this for himself, for some reason. I am very sure I said something similar to this in some of my town games, but that would be self meta so I'll go with: "okay, if you say so". On December 09 2015 14:37 The Shining wrote: These few reads. He gives NM a D2 pass. But it's his FecalFeast and HtS reads that strike me as weird. He softs on HtS, certain lack of follow ups, hints that she plays a different style as town and that that fire is missing. But he leaves her an opening to follow up on re-reads and throw out reads Also, at first he was a bit worried because FF is super lazy as town but since his Fallout excuse checks out, he's less worried. So how is this worrying? If he's super lazy as town, and he's being lazy as town here(which he wasn't town), how would this make you worry? I just don't understand the statement/thought/read. Note that they never once interacted up to this point, at least in Disformation's filter. Here is the first interaction I found, also on page 5: Of course I do leave her openings, she was sick and not playing much, that is the polite thing to do here. And me worrying about FF is the same thing I wrote about yesterday prior to lunch. On December 09 2015 14:37 The Shining wrote: Disfo asks NM to explain his HtS read and vote before NM posted his case. FF makes that post and Disfo follows FF's train of logic to not entirely trust NM. So both are skeptical and suspicious of NM voting confirmed scum HtS. "Kinda null on HtS" is a weird thing to reiterate, too. And instead of going to check her filter to land on either side of null, or to even check if she's posted a single thing during nightphase, he asks the thread instead. This is a thread temperature check. Well, since HtS wasn't exactly posting much at the time, there was not much new in her filter to find. If you read a filter a few times and can't come up with a conclusion what are you to do? Well this doctor has good advise for me I suppose: ![]() On December 09 2015 14:37 The Shining wrote: Another vague FF post aimed at no one. Another response from Disfo. It just feels like he's so hyper aware of every time FF enters the thread, but he's never found a good reason to TR him. The only thing he mentions here is some setup talk. With FF being confirmed scum, this feels like it's just there to WIFOM the thread. And also kind of a plea for FF to put in some effort if he's his scummate. Up to this point in Disfo's filter, he's discussed Trfel, NM, LS, DYH, Fidei multiple times. Palmar, Rels and myself were townreads. The people he's discussed least just so happen to be our 2 confirmed scum, HtS and FF. Next FF interaction, I was going to spoiler but it's not even worth it. FF apologizes for replacing into this game and capcom cup and Disfo says something about needing a 3rd monitor. These interactions are so weird and I don't understand the town motivation behind it. "I'm going to talk to you just to talk to you" is all I can get from it, and that's a mafia trait, not a town trait. Last game I was able to correctly form a town lean/read on FF after having a bit of a conversation with him in thread, so I was hoping for this to happen again, so I tried to engage him everytime he popped up. But you are right, I should have been more hesitant to town lean him off being lazy and be more suspicious since we never managed to have decent conversation. The rest of your case pretty much boils down to me having trouble deciding what to do with HtS D2. Yeah, you are right it looks pretty bad. I guess I had too much trouble evaluating her outside the sickness thing. HtS coached me in my second game here and we get along really well, maybe that affected my ability to really evaluate her this game and made me wish it was only the sickness that affected her play. Another bad mistake I have to learn from I guess. So outside me not voting HtS D2 and generally looking bad on my progression on her D2. I kinda feel you are trying to look at the trees a bit too hard and start to come up with stuff that is kinda NAI or not really hard mafia indicative (like the Onegu thing). I would like you to take a step back and look at my overall play this game. Do you really think I didn't try to solve this game? If the answer is yes: feel free to lynch me, I'll still flip green, though. ![]() Other good pointers on how to proceed: Disformation never used images in his previous town games. scum read. Disformation is defending himself too much. scum read. Disformation is not defending himself at all. scum read. | ||
disformation
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On December 09 2015 23:51 LightningStrike wrote: I did give you credit for some of your work at least. The suing part was totally a joke. ![]() | ||
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Sorry I went full Romanian ![]() | ||
disformation
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english hard language. I'll probably be semi around today, trying to get a bit of stuff done home office style, this game has eaten a fair share of my time and I am a bit behind on a few things. If you have further questions just shoot, cause mafia won't. ![]() | ||
Rels
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On December 10 2015 00:26 disformation wrote: I think the part with onegus filter should have said, open AT own risk and I am not accountable FOR any injuries. english hard language. I'll probably be semi around today, trying to get a bit of stuff done home office style, this game has eaten a fair share of my time and I am a bit behind on a few things. If you have further questions just shoot, cause mafia won't. ![]() Can you read FF's filter and: - see if it matches with your read on DYH ? - who is the most likely partner based on his filter (or 2nd most likely if your 1st is DYH) ? | ||
disformation
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On December 10 2015 00:28 Rels wrote: Can you read FF's filter and: - see if it matches with your read on DYH ? - who is the most likely partner based on his filter (or 2nd most likely if your 1st is DYH) ? Hmm... not sure what you mean with the bold part. Like, see if my points on FF might match my points on DYH? | ||
disformation
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On December 10 2015 00:31 disformation wrote: Hmm... not sure what you mean with the bold part. Like, see if my points on FF might match my points on DYH? Aka are the same? So that I just could take my case on DYH and replace all instances of DYH with FF and it would basically the same case? | ||
Rels
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On December 10 2015 00:31 disformation wrote: Hmm... not sure what you mean with the bold part. Like, see if my points on FF might match my points on DYH? OK like that it might be better: Reading FF's filter, who is his most likely partner and why ? Is DYH a likely partner ? | ||
disformation
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On December 10 2015 00:34 Rels wrote: OK like that it might be better: Reading FF's filter, who is his most likely partner and why ? Is DYH a likely partner ? Okay, thanks. Sounds like a good idea. ![]() | ||
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On December 07 2015 08:38 NocturneMage wrote: (reading a few filters but may be interrupted here....) LOL that made me laugh. Good memories (= | ||
Rels
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This joy feeling a slowly being replaced by a cold sensation. | ||
Rels
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On December 10 2015 01:44 Rels wrote: This joy feeling a slowly being replaced by a cold sensation. Gone now. I like NM's filter. | ||
Rels
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On December 04 2015 22:03 Palmar wrote: Leaning town: disformation (mostly a leftover tone read from day 1. I've yet to read a post of his that feels forced or awkward). People who I have ignored/Have little opinion on: DoYouHas (his filter on day 1 was bad, but I sort of started ignoring him after misreading one of his posts. I should probably have looked into him anyway) On December 05 2015 22:11 Palmar wrote: I don't know if I'm going to do much more today, it's weekend. Based on reading HtS and NM yesterday, I'm going to leave my vote on her. I think it's the right call. I won't be here at the deadline (or well... I won't be here from many hours before the deadline until tomorrow), so meh. I'll check my phone and such. If anyone wants my attention for something special just shout, I'll hopefully notice. I still think this is a reasonably good lynch. NM seems kinda towny and he's very sure about HtS, and her entire tone is very very bland as I talked about. I am again more suspicious of fidei and trfel than I was previously, with NM moving into the probably town column. I actually read something FF wrote that made me think he's town too, but since I can't even remember what it was, it can't have been super significant. Still for now this is good enough. I have yet to read FF, DYH and I think some other people, but I'll have to do that during the night or tomorrow. Good luck guys. If DYH is scum, Palmar was a good kill. | ||
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Based on disformation's response, I feel that he is very likely mafia and the best lynch, and thus I don't intend to read the parts of the game that I missed. On December 09 2015 22:57 NocturneMage wrote: @NocturneMage....I am quite curious. Like I have reasoning to think you are town. But on the Trfel wagon: (1) myself (pretty damned early) (2) flipped mafia FF (who sheeped me an hour after I went to bed) (3) Rels (right at end of cycle) you can double check the timestamps but I am sure I am close to accurate. why are you so sure scum would give themselves away like that with 3 mislynches to go? especially given the timing. for Rels to try and save a scumbuddy with a decent chance of failing, or for FF to sheep me and sit there all cycle doing dick all. you have approx 25 games under your belt to my 3, surely you are more informed on something I'm not ![]() Note that I wasn't really paying any attention at End of Day, even for the parts that I technically "read". But do note that as mafia, the first instinct is to defend your teammate by lynching the other person and being as forceful as possible about it. The second instinct is to bus. If you go with the first option, you can ALWAYS wifom it away and say that you were wrong. Assuming for a moment that Rels is mafia... I can see him judging that the chance of succeeding in the mislynch would be well worth the risk of not getting town credit for the bus (note that this isn't getting scumread for being on the other wagon, that's actually minimal, the big loss is not getting town credit for lynching scum). I'm inclined to think that what End of Day really suggests is that the people who were there, and involved, but weren't voting on either wagon are town (if there were any). While this seems scummy on the surface, I simply don't think that scum would ever do this, it's so far removed from the mafia mindset. I don't think that this applies to DoYouHas, however, since he was trying to get a wagon started on disformation with ~5 minutes left in the day, and he seems to take a long time to post, thus I can't be sure that he's capable of adjusting to the situation and changing his vote if he is mafia. I didn't read to see about the other two. | ||
LightningStrike
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