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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 10 2015 01:21 GMT
#14
Gunna go ahead and

/in

Probably not going to have a lot of time, but I've been wanting to play again.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 13 2015 03:58 GMT
#27
You can't have him, he's playing in my game!

[image loading]

Wanna fight about it?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 24 2015 14:52 GMT
#149
Creepy spooky castle?

Strange German guy wanting people to take an "extended" tour?

Food Included?

##signmeup
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 24 2015 23:21 GMT
#204
I'm here.

And I approve of SL rolehunting in an all Vanilla game.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 24 2015 23:23 GMT
#205
On November 25 2015 07:26 ANickelDrink wrote:
I am fecalfeast. Like I'm sitting here worrying about my typing style and that's just stupid wifom


Decisive action.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 24 2015 23:24 GMT
#206
By the way, I'm doing a thing...

Anyone who figures out what gets bonus points!

Now...

How can I be of service?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 24 2015 23:51 GMT
#219
On November 25 2015 08:34 Koshi wrote:
I am also going to create a town circle. The rules to join this town circle will be formed tomorrow. I need to think about a flawless system.

First couple of requirements:
1) Keep Koshi entertained. (aka post enough and don't be boring)
2) Call a lot of people mafia, and therefore vote a shitton (You are allowed to vote for Koshi but membership might be revoked, it depends on how I perceive my own play)


I'll find more rules on the way.



PS: it isn't really a towncircle, more a town pyramid and I am on top and you are all on the bottom. That being said, being in the town pyramid makes you a better person.


Pyramid schemes already? Pretty sure I was warned about these...

I'm not super on board with #2 but otherwise I'm interested to see your system develop.

Go ahead commander.

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 25 2015 00:04 GMT
#230
On November 25 2015 08:48 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2015 08:46 Chromatically wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:43 sicklucker wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote:
I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that?


ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense...

Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him...

lynch ff for sanity

Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf?


Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway..

lol..


Hmm?

You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing.

FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on?

Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play.

Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 25 2015 00:04 GMT
#231
On November 25 2015 08:49 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2015 08:47 Chromatically wrote:
And his alignment in previous games wouldn't have an influence on this game at all?


i played two games with him this month where he was . drum rollllllll

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town



This is meaningless.

Of course.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 25 2015 00:07 GMT
#234
On November 25 2015 09:00 Sn0_Man wrote:
could just lynch sicklucker
aggressively illogical etc


Is there a problem?

Have you played with SL before?

Kus that seems par for the course to me.

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Also I don't think he's being illogical... yet
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 25 2015 00:09 GMT
#237
On November 25 2015 09:07 sicklucker wrote:
grrr not at all you have to get in the mindset of ff. hes always town why make a smurf if hes not going to use it as town?


I gotcha.

I just don't think him having rolled town in the last few games you played with him means anything about this game.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 25 2015 00:29 GMT
#241
Alright then...

Seems like FF shedding his smurf is the only thing happening atm.

I'm gunna go play some other stuff and bbl.

No real reads yet, a few town feels but I'mma slow play this one.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 07:49 GMT
#465
I have returned.

Sorry boys had some last min stuff come up getting prepared for family to come over tomorrow.

Anyways, I'm back and around till closer to EoD when people start showing up.

I'm not fully caught up but I read a little at work earlier and saw GB and Vivax pushing me for this post.

On November 25 2015 09:04 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2015 08:48 sicklucker wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:46 Chromatically wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:43 sicklucker wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote:
I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that?


ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense...

Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him...

lynch ff for sanity

Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf?


Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway..

lol..


Hmm?

You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing.

FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on?

Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play.

Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now.


I didn't state my conclusion as well as I should have I guess. What I was saying is that FF dropping his smurf is weird (SL had a point on that) but that trying to get a read out of that steaming pile of WIFOM is impossible.

Anyways I got some time so I'm just gunna reread this game since it's only 24 pgs. I only recall having vague townfeels on Koshi and SL when I left off.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 08:08 GMT
#466
On November 26 2015 01:46 marvellosity wrote:
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On November 26 2015 00:11 GlowingBear wrote:
Marv can you tell us what do you think of Tictock and OO and comment on what has been brought on both of them?

how many games have you played with me now?

if I had something worthwhile to say about either, do you estimate the chances i'd just sit on it silently to be

a) low
b) very low
c) non-existent
d) eerily homosexual

?


I like this post ^.^

Marv prob town.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 08:23 GMT
#467
On November 26 2015 03:26 Koshi wrote:
Imo we should just lynch marv tbh. Nothing wrong with it. It has been ages since he actually found mafia d1 and got his target lynched.

If we lynch town today and marv did is standard boring poe thingie on that person I wouldnt even be surprised.

I guess we can give him 24 more hours. But everybody should prepare their minds and bodies for a d1 marv lynch.


This post actually makes me fairly certain Koshi is town, poking a sleeping Marv.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 08:42 GMT
#468
All of pg 20 makes me thing Koshi is even more lock town, and FF's posts are good too.

Both get added to my growing town pile.

Might need to be a little weary that FF is pocketing me by going against GB's push on me, but I'm generally seeing townie posts from him.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 08:45 GMT
#469
On November 26 2015 09:51 sicklucker wrote:
you guys said alot of garbage but no one disproved my theory. since no ones cares ill just afk vote ff and be right


On November 26 2015 09:54 sicklucker wrote:
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On November 26 2015 02:24 Sn0_Man wrote:
if i vote sicklucker its me'n'him in a shitflinging fest nobody cares about with extremely limited material to work with that develops into a useless sideshow that if he's maf he can use to say "look i'm scumhunting" by targetting townie ol me.

meanwhile we make a nice wagon on tictock and he gets pressured in a way that should help us read him. It's not like this is a serious lynch wagon. yet.

u know basic mafia things


lol i dont even care about you . you havent been worth my time to sling one pile of shit so theres that


On November 26 2015 09:56 sicklucker wrote:
im so confused as to why this sno man thinks were in a shit fight when I have never responded to any of his posts. I only read his first one that basically called me an idiot even tho my logic is sound and I stoped reading them


Yea, like 90% sure this is town SL. I'm also about 75% sure he's wrong about FF here though.

Townpiled.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 08:57 GMT
#470
Ok all caught up, I also realize I forgot to keep up with my silly little thing for this game, but oh well.

Anyways I have some serious doubts about GB, Sn0, Chrom, and Vivax atm and think there is probably 2 mafia in that group.

I'm not really sure regarding my Chrom and GB reads atm, will have to relook through things but I get the sense that they are trying to lineup and push some early game reads without really looking at the game as a whole.

I'm not that familiar with GB but the fact that he's really only been pushing OO and myself and keeps wanting people to talk about us seems strange. I recall town!GB being all over the place, changing his mind, and always reevaluating. Not the feel I get from him this game.

I'm not sure how to put into words my read on Chrom just yet, maybe I should leave him more null atm because it's more just a scumfeel I have on him than anything really solid.

I'm a bit torn on who is the better lynch between Vivax and Sn0, but I'm thinking Vivax atm. I'll make individual posts about them in a min (both have super short filters so it wont take long), but gunna go ahead and

##Vote: Vivax


for now
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 09:04 GMT
#471
Actually that was stupid my read on Vivax is simple.

He comes in, parrots what GB says, then buggers off.

Also comes back to complain that Marv hasn't posted more?!?

Where are your opinions about anyone else?

How does my opinion being weak make me mafia? Like that was from ~3 hrs into the game and there really wasn't much else to talk about, so I was discussing the one relevant thing at the time.

Idk, there is just no drive from his posts, like commenting on my one post was good enough for today.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 09:14 GMT
#472
Sn0 I think has a strong chance of flipping mafia here as well.

He throws out multiple suggestions to lynch a few different people right off the bat, but other than requoting his post about SL doesn't really push any of it.

Hops on my wagon with no imput, then makes this post
On November 26 2015 02:24 Sn0_Man wrote:
if i vote sicklucker its me'n'him in a shitflinging fest nobody cares about with extremely limited material to work with that develops into a useless sideshow that if he's maf he can use to say "look i'm scumhunting" by targetting townie ol me.

meanwhile we make a nice wagon on tictock and he gets pressured in a way that should help us read him. It's not like this is a serious lynch wagon. yet.

u know basic mafia things


Which is wierd, because he claims that his vote on me is to get a better read, but he has no read on me that I've seen. Really just seems like he has experience with SL and is more comfortable pushing an unknown person.


I'm also quite interested in the fact that nobody who called out my post early on commented on this one.
On November 26 2015 04:34 Sn0_Man wrote:
Why would marv not finding scum day 1 as town make him scum now for being useless and not finding scum?
Also, why would "nothing wrong with it" be good justification for a lynch?

I agree that marv's play has been lazy and unhelpful to town in a way that makes me suspicious, but unlike you I prefer the approach proposed by... (gb i think) that waits until marv has proven himself to not be scumhunting before trying to open up his lynch.

So while I liked your sentiment to an extent (that marv isn't playing townie, not that we lynch him today), I really disliked the way you worded and went about your post. Which is what marv pointed out already, which makes things more confusing.


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On November 25 2015 09:04 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2015 08:48 sicklucker wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:46 Chromatically wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:43 sicklucker wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote:
I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that?


ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense...

Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him...

lynch ff for sanity

Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf?


Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway..

lol..


Hmm?

You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing.

FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on?

Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play.

Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now.


Seems to me like this post from Sn0 is even more wordy, and goes absolutely nowhere besides saying he's ok waiting to see if Marv does some work. But then later suggests he's unsure about his ability to read Marv

On November 26 2015 04:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
I detest ur "its obvious enough on its own when i'm maf" defense marv I've lost to ur maf play


Nowhere in his filter do I see a real from Sn0, just a few suggestions that he's willing to lynch people, but only to "develop reads"

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 09:23 GMT
#473
EBWOP:

On November 26 2015 18:14 Tictock wrote:

Nowhere in his filter do I see a real read from Sn0, just a few suggestions that he's willing to lynch people, but only to "develop reads"

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 09:51 GMT
#475
I'm not really seeing why people are voting for OO either.

I take it most of it was his reaction to SL's "role hunting"?

Seems pretty NAI to me, obvious thing for either alignment to question and... I'm told he's the One...

I feel like he's taking his own approach to the game, and thinking things through himself.

On November 25 2015 09:08 ObviousOne wrote:
the outing scenario, taken alone:

i take fefe's self-outing to mean that he's town and he wants to win the game, and that he believes his normal town behaviour when not associated with his name will lead to being lynched, therefore he can be himself from the beginning. would be hella easy if he rolled mafia to just go along with staying closeted about his identity and doing literally anything else.


that said, i don't think it's really worth using the situation to judge whether or not he's town in a vacuum so just see where he goes from here


And his reads aren't just rehashing what's been said.

On November 26 2015 05:23 ObviousOne wrote:
TicTock - last sentence as of this post is "imma play this slow" no imminent urge to find mafia
Onegu - disavows responsibility to be proactive
boxerfred - looks like participation for participation's sake so far
sicklucker - entirety of filter is regarding FF smurfing

preliminary scum pool by poe via feels and what i can remember of those not listed here, WIP


Not really enough for me to townread him, but I'm not really seeing and mafia motivation behind his posts.

Maybe there's something I'm missing, but I wont be lynching him.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 10:06 GMT
#476
Going to go distract myself with other stuff for a bit, but what do people think of GB?

I'm not sure his pushing to keep the game moving is town motivated, I get more of a trying to stir up trouble vibe from what he's doing.

In particular, this post felt like he was trying a bit too hard to make such a small point seem scummy.
On November 25 2015 12:55 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2015 09:04 Tictock wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:48 sicklucker wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:46 Chromatically wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:43 sicklucker wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote:
I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that?


ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense...

Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him...

lynch ff for sanity

Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf?


Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway..

lol..


Hmm?

You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing.

FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on?


Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play.

Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now.


Nah, FF. He clearly agrees with SL. It's not a "I understand you, but..."

Let me expand my suspicions on this post.

If I see somethig that is NAI, whenever someone says it is suspicious, I will tell them that it's NAI. Whenever I see something that I find suspicious and someone say its suspicious, I will simply agree with it.

I don't understand how can someone agree on a suspicion but reach the conclusion that that is NAI. His thought process is disconnected with his conclusion. In other words, it just sounds that he tried to fake putting thoughts on it when he was really just... Posting.

Also, if this is slightly suspicious, why classifying it as NAI now instead of pushing it further, especially on the early phase of the game when usually we have NOTHING to pursue?

Do you understsnd what I'm trying to say?


For some reason I also thought it was weird for him to get all serious so early and ask people to focus on his reads post. Just felt a little unnecessary? idk I'm probably just picking at nits on this point.

GB where are your reads at now? I feel like you are overly focused on a few people.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 10:29 GMT
#479
D1 policy lynch on Onegu?

bleh

next plz
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 10:47 GMT
#482
On November 26 2015 19:32 marvellosity wrote:
Tictock - I think GB is fine, you're kinda picking at him for being GB


OMGUS might also be a factor as well, it's true.

I tend to play by my gut often D1 and GB does not agree with it right now.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 11:06 GMT
#490
@ #483

Yea, I might be taking back my "wont lynch" on OO
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 11:08 GMT
#492
Ohh Dreamhack!

I'm about to start cooking some Baklava, also with my eyes open

nxt
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 11:10 GMT
#494
Why Onegu? that's what I want to know...

Or do you just plan to make the game more active by lynching the least actives in order?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 11:14 GMT
#498
Also FF, I'm onto you
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 11:19 GMT
#502
On November 26 2015 20:13 ObviousOne wrote:
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On November 26 2015 20:10 Tictock wrote:
Why Onegu? that's what I want to know...

Or do you just plan to make the game more active by lynching the least actives in order?

he wanted to be asked questions, that's the last we heard of him. are you seeing anything alignment indicative in his filter? i'm going to answer for you: no. that always bothers me. i'm always willing to lynch inactives on d1 especially if the impetus of an impending lynch gets them to a readable state.


You are 100% correct.

However I'm not a big fan of coin flipping D1, I'd rather lynch into people who have done some scummy things.

Anyways get yourself some sleep, but I hope you look into some of the other people on that list of yours and see if there aren't better reasons to lynch someone than not being able to read them.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 11:30 GMT
#504
Only because of personality/meta reason I suppose?

I expect this play from Onegu but Vivax's feels off. I've also seen Vivax be really uncomfortable as scum whereas Onegu tends to love it.

Well there's another reason but I'd rather not suggest stuff for scum to play off of

Also Vivax looks like he's hopping on a wagon while going "oh look mindmeld with GB, wow!"

Onegu throwing out random vote on Koshi without any real push isn't any better I suppose, but it doesn't suggest any scum motivation to me
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 12:22 GMT
#506
Where are you at with this game Marv?

You've only got ~9 hrs left on that fence.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 12:28 GMT
#508
Onegu, which is the better flavor?

Pistachio

or

Strawberry
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 12:34 GMT
#513
You answered
On November 26 2015 21:31 Onegu wrote:
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On November 26 2015 21:28 Tictock wrote:
Onegu, which is the better flavor?

Pistachio

or

Strawberry



Strawberry

I refuse to eat anything green, and they fucking die Pistachio's green and that is just against my code.


Which is the incorrect answer, however you have solid reasons. Partial credit, you pass.

However,
I refuse to eat anything green


Sounds very unhealthy
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 12:36 GMT
#514
On November 26 2015 21:32 Onegu wrote:
But the correct answer is vanilla


Actually it was Spumoni

Still, thanks for playing!
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 12:54 GMT
#518
On November 26 2015 21:45 sicklucker wrote:
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On November 26 2015 16:49 Tictock wrote:
I have returned.

Sorry boys had some last min stuff come up getting prepared for family to come over tomorrow.

Anyways, I'm back and around till closer to EoD when people start showing up.

I'm not fully caught up but I read a little at work earlier and saw GB and Vivax pushing me for this post.

On November 25 2015 09:04 Tictock wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:48 sicklucker wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:46 Chromatically wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:43 sicklucker wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote:
I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that?


ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense...

Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him...

lynch ff for sanity

Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf?


Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway..

lol..


Hmm?

You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing.

FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on?

Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play.

Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now.


I didn't state my conclusion as well as I should have I guess. What I was saying is that FF dropping his smurf is weird (SL had a point on that) but that trying to get a read out of that steaming pile of WIFOM is impossible.

Anyways I got some time so I'm just gunna reread this game since it's only 24 pgs. I only recall having vague townfeels on Koshi and SL when I left off.


you acualy didnt say that tho. all you said was "if hes not really ff then its not valid" you 100% said my shit was valid nice backtrack to popular thread sentiment... hum


It's not a backtrack, what?

In the first post I wrote
Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now.

which was a very poor way of stating my conclusion
FF dropping his smurf is weird but that trying to get a read out of that steaming pile of WIFOM is impossible.


Anyways I'm fairly convinced he's town now.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 13:00 GMT
#521
On November 26 2015 21:55 marvellosity wrote:
fairly convinced why?


[image loading]

Whats your read on FF?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 13:17 GMT
#528
Sigh, fine.

FF's pushing things from multiple perspectives and asking people to further their reads.
On November 25 2015 12:27 ANickelDrink wrote:
like if it's not alignment indicative then he can't really push the discussion anywhere since there's nowhere for it to go.

If he had just said "I see what you mean but..." instead of "You have a point" it would be saying the same thing, no?

besides he actually said
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2015 09:04 Tictock wrote:

Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now.

On November 26 2015 07:59 ANickelDrink wrote:
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On November 26 2015 04:04 boxerfred wrote:
On November 25 2015 11:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 25 2015 11:43 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 25 2015 11:39 ANickelDrink wrote:
On November 25 2015 11:35 Koshi wrote:
I wonder where Diablo II sits on my best games I played list. Under Warcraft III, C& C: Red alert, WoW, Dota. Somewhere there?

I played Diablo II so many hours. I'm relentlessly biased toward that game. Including LoD I'd put it in my top 3 easily up there with brood war and Heroes of newerth.

+ Show Spoiler +
HoN with a playerbase = best MOBA


LOL No.

Btw FF can you post with your original account just to make sure you are FF?

oh no oops wrong accouuuunntttt

was just building up my great theory how you're fakeclaiming being FF. neat, right?

anyone still being off-topic (like talking about D3 and shit) is scummy in my eyes.

koshi feels exactly like I got to know him in the banlist - spammy and yolo'y (does that even exist) so town


On November 25 2015 12:37 Chromatically wrote:
On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, some weak early reads:

Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one.

Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game.

SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative.

Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere

sicklucker I'm not sure about. I agree he could be mafia for his push over something which I agree wasn't alignment indicative, but I liked that he didn't back down about it when he came under pressure.

Ticktock I agree with your point, plus he just kind of came in and posted those non-opinions on FF and then peaced out.

Koshi I don't have a read on.


Let me expand on what I mean about OO:
On November 25 2015 07:58 ObviousOne wrote:
On November 25 2015 07:57 sicklucker wrote:
And yes i am role hunting

explain

On November 25 2015 08:07 ObviousOne wrote:
how can you be rolehunting when the op says everyone is vanilla?

On November 25 2015 08:10 ObviousOne wrote:
tbh it looks to me like you either a) lied about rolehunting when you meant smurfhunting and then stuck to your lie for whatever reason or b) didn't read the setup or c) you're mafia and just hinted at the hidden mechanic

sicklucker posts his stuff about FF's claim being weird and also makes a comment about rolehunting. OO jumps on the "rolehunting" part of it, which is the part that looks weird and is easy to jump on as mafia (I was interested in his read on FF from it). The third post is the one I particularly didn't like. The whole post says nothing at all (no conclusion or any point for the post), it seems like it's just a poor attempt to explain why he jumped on the rolehunting comment when it clearly didn't mean much.


this post feels totally forced and Im not sure if i like it.

blabla ask me questions im in thread although tired af


Couple questions, who is still being fluffy, or was when you made this post? I'd like to see who you're scumming based on the bolded.

Can you elaborate on what chrome's post is lacking or containing to make it seem forced to you?

On November 26 2015 09:01 ANickelDrink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2015 05:23 ObviousOne wrote:
TicTock - last sentence as of this post is "imma play this slow" no imminent urge to find mafia
Onegu - disavows responsibility to be proactive
boxerfred - looks like participation for participation's sake so far
sicklucker - entirety of filter is regarding FF smurfing

preliminary scum pool by poe via feels and what i can remember of those not listed here, WIP

Any updates on this? Seems like a pretty weird time for a 'preliminary poe scum pool' and you leave out at least two people with one page filters when everyone on your 4 person list's reason is 'not participating to my/their own standards'


Pushes his own reads over thread sentiment
On November 26 2015 09:02 ANickelDrink wrote:
I think I prefer an OO lynch over tictock if I had to pick right now


The entire interaction he had with Koshi on pg 20 I referenced earlier felt really towny. Whole page reads to me like 2 townies hashing out their reads.

In general whole tone is lighthearted and thoughtful. He's not pushing any strong agenda and is willing to rethink reads and talk things out.

If we must keep talking about the smurf I liked his response/reasoning
On November 26 2015 10:33 ANickelDrink wrote:
I wanted to be able to play an active game as either alignment without being scumread for it. I've been getting more into my conversational stride and I know people would scumread me for being active.

Once I started writing my entry post I realized that I was going to have to be conscious of how I post since I personally think I have a... unique posting style on top of the fact that I pretty much only post while baked or while at work.

I decided that it wasn't worth the effort.


So there's a ton of towny things going on in his filter that easily outweigh something that seems strange but I have no way of getting a read off of.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 14:46 GMT
#535
I'm pretty open to a Sn0 or Vivax lynch atm.

Yea, we should get consolidated here.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 15:20 GMT
#552
Well tbh I was half voting Vivax over Sn0 to see his reaction...

Now that I have I'm confident that this is a good lynch.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 16:33 GMT
#577
On November 27 2015 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2015 17:45 Tictock wrote:
On November 26 2015 09:51 sicklucker wrote:
you guys said alot of garbage but no one disproved my theory. since no ones cares ill just afk vote ff and be right


On November 26 2015 09:54 sicklucker wrote:
On November 26 2015 02:24 Sn0_Man wrote:
if i vote sicklucker its me'n'him in a shitflinging fest nobody cares about with extremely limited material to work with that develops into a useless sideshow that if he's maf he can use to say "look i'm scumhunting" by targetting townie ol me.

meanwhile we make a nice wagon on tictock and he gets pressured in a way that should help us read him. It's not like this is a serious lynch wagon. yet.

u know basic mafia things


lol i dont even care about you . you havent been worth my time to sling one pile of shit so theres that


On November 26 2015 09:56 sicklucker wrote:
im so confused as to why this sno man thinks were in a shit fight when I have never responded to any of his posts. I only read his first one that basically called me an idiot even tho my logic is sound and I stoped reading them


Yea, like 90% sure this is town SL. I'm also about 75% sure he's wrong about FF here though.

Townpiled.


Can you explain to me what in those posts makes SL town?


His in your face, I don't give a F*$%, attitude
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 16:43 GMT
#582
On November 27 2015 01:30 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 27 2015 01:17 marvellosity wrote:
you guys do what you want

i will have no part in lynching tictock

vivax is mafia.



I don't dislike your case and I may vote Vivax if I can overcome my urge to see if I was right on Tictock


Really you make a read on me based on one post 5 hours into the game, and now just want to see if your read was good? Like it doesn't even sound like you really think I'm mafia but would rather just flip me than try to read into anything happening more recently...

What do you "not dislike" about the case on Vivax?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 16:55 GMT
#585
On November 27 2015 01:39 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2015 01:33 Tictock wrote:
On November 27 2015 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 26 2015 17:45 Tictock wrote:
On November 26 2015 09:51 sicklucker wrote:
you guys said alot of garbage but no one disproved my theory. since no ones cares ill just afk vote ff and be right


On November 26 2015 09:54 sicklucker wrote:
On November 26 2015 02:24 Sn0_Man wrote:
if i vote sicklucker its me'n'him in a shitflinging fest nobody cares about with extremely limited material to work with that develops into a useless sideshow that if he's maf he can use to say "look i'm scumhunting" by targetting townie ol me.

meanwhile we make a nice wagon on tictock and he gets pressured in a way that should help us read him. It's not like this is a serious lynch wagon. yet.

u know basic mafia things


lol i dont even care about you . you havent been worth my time to sling one pile of shit so theres that


On November 26 2015 09:56 sicklucker wrote:
im so confused as to why this sno man thinks were in a shit fight when I have never responded to any of his posts. I only read his first one that basically called me an idiot even tho my logic is sound and I stoped reading them


Yea, like 90% sure this is town SL. I'm also about 75% sure he's wrong about FF here though.

Townpiled.


Can you explain to me what in those posts makes SL town?


His in your face, I don't give a F*$%, attitude


Why this has to come from a town sicklucker? In other words, mafia!sicklucker can't do that?
Because I think it's too easy to come up with a theory and don't reevaluate it and refuse to talk about anything else as Mafia


almost missed this due to page change.

Sure I'll reevaluate, you got something on SL that you think makes him mafia?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 17:48 GMT
#613
On November 27 2015 02:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2015 01:43 Tictock wrote:
On November 27 2015 01:30 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 27 2015 01:17 marvellosity wrote:
you guys do what you want

i will have no part in lynching tictock

vivax is mafia.



I don't dislike your case and I may vote Vivax if I can overcome my urge to see if I was right on Tictock


Really you make a read on me based on one post 5 hours into the game, and now just want to see if your read was good? Like it doesn't even sound like you really think I'm mafia but would rather just flip me than try to read into anything happening more recently...

What do you "not dislike" about the case on Vivax?


Here is my problem:

I don't trust your explanation for your early post. I really think that post was way too scummy.

On the other hand, I like that you gave your thoughts on players.

On the other other hand (I may have three), some of them looked to me like you were try harding just to look contributive and save yourself, like your obvious one thing. You talked about him like he was being the second wagon but he is only being voted by Chrom. It felt like unnecessary to me. So your contributions sound to me like it could be coming from both alignments.

In other words, I see one townie trait on you (the fact that you are contributing)/ NAI posts (your contributions per se)/ and a scummy trait on you (that post)

Plus: you being AFK and coming just now and xontributing just now fits mafis strategy that I've used before. I'm just trying to decide if this is wifom and if I'm tunneled on you for no reason.

I liked the entire case on Vivax. Not being contrivutive and that contradiction marv pointed out. I'm waiting for Vivax to reply


Yea, kus at the time he was the 2nd wagon with 2 votes. Also haven't you been pushing him as your alternate all day?

I don't see how my being afk for X amount of time is alignment indicative at all. Like as either alignment I'd probably post when I have time, yea?

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 18:05 GMT
#636
On November 27 2015 02:56 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2015 02:55 marvellosity wrote:
On November 27 2015 02:53 Vivax wrote:
On November 27 2015 02:50 Sn0_Man wrote:
you really havent posted enough justification for a read that hard vivax


As if his effort was justification for townreading him. Apparently y'all think a mafia won't just put in the extra bit of effort when getting lynched. The before/after is pretty obvious in TT's case.

and like i asked GB: if he's town getting wagoned and he comes back today?

what does he do?


For starters, keep doing his thing instead of going off into 100 directions like a firecracker.


Dude, what game are you reading? What part of this game does the bolded apply to?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 18:21 GMT
#643
On November 27 2015 03:14 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2015 03:05 Tictock wrote:
On November 27 2015 02:56 Vivax wrote:
On November 27 2015 02:55 marvellosity wrote:
On November 27 2015 02:53 Vivax wrote:
On November 27 2015 02:50 Sn0_Man wrote:
you really havent posted enough justification for a read that hard vivax


As if his effort was justification for townreading him. Apparently y'all think a mafia won't just put in the extra bit of effort when getting lynched. The before/after is pretty obvious in TT's case.

and like i asked GB: if he's town getting wagoned and he comes back today?

what does he do?


For starters, keep doing his thing instead of going off into 100 directions like a firecracker.


Dude, what game are you reading? What part of this game does the bolded apply to?


I'm saying you talk about a lot of hogwash that doesn't lead anywhere to finding a good lynch, it's just there to talk.
Stuff along the lines of "onegu policy lynch? bitch please" as if that was in any way relevant to the game, it's just relevant for you cause you needed to get some opinions out quickly.

Meanwhile I only give a fuck about lynching you and Chrom and marv and everyone else so far felt ok to me. Just scott is 100% null cause I didn't even read his posts.

I also don't care how much you post after your horrible post on FF contrary to people who think effort=town, I only care that when you did you picked all your reads based on people scumreading you/not caring about you/townreading you in order to get on the good side of the latter two and to scumread people who are already scumreading you anyway.


This is just a pile of confirmation bias about me.

Your not bothering to try and suggest why my scumreads are bad, or why the reasons I have given for my townreads aren't valid.

You haven't really explained any of your reads besides the one on me, which apparently makes me confirmed mafia.

Like how am I supposed to believe you are town here Vivax?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 18:27 GMT
#648
On November 27 2015 03:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2015 03:23 Chromatically wrote:
GB, is TT's post on FF still the reason why you're on him?

GB's on vivax


Oh, someone's paying attention.

What say you then sir?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 18:37 GMT
#660
Sure, first I'm scum because I make a post that's not coming to a solid conclusion, not advancing the game.

Now I'm scum for contributing too much to the game.

I take it I should be silent unless spoken to then?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 19:00 GMT
#673
On November 27 2015 03:52 Koshi wrote:
I mean.... Chrom & OO are getting after each other quite openly. Are we paying attention to this? It is odd no?

Look at that superweak Chrom read.

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2015 12:23 ObviousOne wrote:
On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, some weak early reads:

Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one.

Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game.

SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative.

Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere

koshi just being koshi but good on you for tone read stuff

sounds really generous towards chrom but i thought we were still fucking around mb you are right

agree on sl

only negative vibe i have about ticktock so far is the helpful townie post "i'm here to help" or whatever it was, your point by itself isn't necessarily hard evidence given how little has gone down so far



I'm not sure that really qualifies as a read.

Honestly the only thing that really bugs me about OO was that he was only considering lynching by activity, which is a terrible heuristic.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 19:58 GMT
#683
On November 27 2015 04:23 Koshi wrote:
So is this Chrom thing happening?


Your going to have to do a little more to convince me than him showing up in several lists.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 20:09 GMT
#689
On November 27 2015 05:02 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2015 04:58 Tictock wrote:
On November 27 2015 04:23 Koshi wrote:
So is this Chrom thing happening?


Your going to have to do a little more to convince me than him showing up in several lists.

You think he is town? Explain this to me?
You were the one saying he was mafia not so long ago, and now you want me to make the holy grail case and prove without a doubt Chrom is mafia?


lol


Not at all what I meant >.<
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 20:14 GMT
#691
In fact what is making you think Vivax is just tunneled town here Koshi?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 20:17 GMT
#699
I don't get where your hard stance against a Vivax lynch is coming from here Koshi?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 26 2015 20:18 GMT
#701
Just making me think we are even more on the right track here.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 27 2015 00:01 GMT
#817
Bah, Vivax.. Why you do this as town...

Tunnel me to death and don't really expound on any other reads. Please give us more of your reads in your death post.

Well least now I know both wagons were town and mafia just having a ball.

Tired from being up all morning and post-feast coma. See what things look like after some sleep
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 27 2015 10:21 GMT
#827
So the easy plays for scum coming into EoD were to just afk vote or sheep other people.

I'm tempted to conclude that this means people active and trying to push switches near EoD are probably town, but Vivax was correct in his point that "activity =/= Town"

So I'm gunna try and relook at who was around EoD and what reads they were pushing. Especially why people changed their minds and the timing of votes if I have time to cross examine all that.

For now, @ SL and anyone else who was outside of the wagons on myself and Vivax.

Why did you park your vote on who you did and what do you make of how EoD went down?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 27 2015 10:26 GMT
#829
Sl do you still think Sn0 is mafia?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 27 2015 10:27 GMT
#832
On November 27 2015 19:24 marvellosity wrote:
i'm kinda in depression this game now.


posting crap like that wont help

Come back after some coffee
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 27 2015 10:30 GMT
#836
On November 27 2015 19:26 sicklucker wrote:
i clearly gave my reason already. if a deadline does not suit my scedule I wont be there. this is my standard meta. i asked people to consiladate on a wagon before i left but no one was interested.



Idc if you were around at EoD, Deadline was weird kus of the holiday

But you parked your vote on Sn0, whats your read on him after reading EoD?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 27 2015 10:39 GMT
#839
On November 27 2015 19:31 marvellosity wrote:
like 90% of this game is still hovering around null. and i get that people could feel the same way about me.

but where do you go from there?


Isn't 90% quite the exaggeration? Kus that's like one person who isn't null to you.

So you basically have no reads?

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 27 2015 10:46 GMT
#841
Fair enough.

I'm getting the feeling I'm a potential lynch target for days to come.

Least it means we know I'll be here tomorrow!

I'll bbl after I've eaten and read stuff again.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 27 2015 11:49 GMT
#850
I just wanted to know what you thought about Sn0

>.<
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 27 2015 19:51 GMT
#972
GB man, I don't even know what to say to you.

Your so tunneled on me that your setting up associations for if I flip mafia.

Can you explain your townread on Sn0?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 27 2015 20:03 GMT
#973
Ok so people I want to look into a little before Daypost.

Lone Voters:
Onegu
OO
ANickleDrink
(Sl gets a pass, kus I'm sucking up to him)

Sheeple:
BF
Scott
Sn0

Koshi and GB both had EoD posting that I want to look into more, but given that they are both have been quite active I'm probably gunna leave them till Dayphase.

Just to be clear I'm townreading Koshi still, GB is a tough read for me this game. FF's smurf is in an odd spot, I had a decently strong townread on him but a couple of small things make me want to take another look. Everyone else I listed here is Null or worse.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 27 2015 20:54 GMT
#990
The Lone Voters:

Onegu: Useless. Drops an unexplained vote on Koshi quoting a post from Sn0 suggesting lynching Koshi. Multiple promises to do stuff, no follow through what-so-ever.

@ Onegu What stands out to you about EoD? Give us some reads man! Who are your top 3 Town/scum atm? (3 town, 3 scum)

ObviuseOne: Honestly I like a lot of what I see in OO's filter. He starts off the game with a lot of interaction and pushing some stuff. Some of his posts are fairly fluff, like this reaction to GB's reads + Show Spoiler +
On November 25 2015 12:23 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, some weak early reads:

Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one.

Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game.

SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative.

Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere

koshi just being koshi but good on you for tone read stuff

sounds really generous towards chrom but i thought we were still fucking around mb you are right

agree on sl

only negative vibe i have about ticktock so far is the helpful townie post "i'm here to help" or whatever it was, your point by itself isn't necessarily hard evidence given how little has gone down so far

, basically just saying "I agree".

Then there was the big post, where he talks about how inactive most of the game is, that a couple of people broke down and pointed out was a lot of fluff. However rather than post that large wall of text, vote off any wagon, and then peace out OO hung around and responded to FF and my questions before heading out for the rest of the day.

Kinda null, but leaning town.

ANickleDrink: So for a guy talking about how he wants to be more active this game, FF's EoD was pretty lackluster.

He did come back to the game rather late (about an hr before deadline) so I suppose he was probably scrambling to catch up and figure out where to put his vote. His filter supports this.

I also liked FF's pushing on Sn0 and rather agree with his thinking.

Staying in the townpile.

+ Show Spoiler [Tinfoil thoughts] +
It is somewhat interesting how FF never really puts much effort into reading either myself or Vivax. He pretty much avoided talking about the leading wagons entirely and sheeped Koshi on Chrom.

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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 27 2015 20:57 GMT
#991
On November 28 2015 05:11 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 00:05 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, that list disregard any association since I need a flip first.


then how is marv number one? ;p if you think tt is mafia you know he just saved him right?


This is a really good point actually.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 27 2015 21:23 GMT
#1003
Sheeple:

boxerfred: Pretty much at the same lv of contribution as Onegu, but he's thrown out the excuse of having tonsillitis.

No way to have a real read, my gut feeling is that he's town.

Hope you feel better dude, and please give us something to go on when ya do.

Scott: Weaker filter than either BF or Onegu. Literally only throws out a townread on GB and sheeps him.

Considering Scott made a post earlier on where he questioned GB's read on me it seems really odd that he would sheep GB on that same read without considering anything else.

Scott is typically a low volume poster, but he usually puts at least one big reads post or comments about multiple people/things. This feels more like he is struggling to contribute anything to the game.

Was gunna do a read on Sn0 here too, but it's gunna have to wait till after daypost. My initial read hasn't really changed, in fact I was planning to push Sn0 as my main D1 lynch if Vivax's reaction to my vote hadn't been so bad.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 27 2015 21:30 GMT
#1009
On November 28 2015 06:14 ANickelDrink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2015 20:14 Tictock wrote:
Also FF, I'm onto you

lol first post after I went to bed

elaborate


Wondered how you missed that.

I had just realized this...

The real reason you wanted to smurf:
ANickelDrink:
Worth a dime.

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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 27 2015 21:36 GMT
#1013
Eh, yea I forgot about Scotts RL stuff.

Ugh, too many people not playing in this game >.<

Well we'll see what Scott has to say when he gets back, I think my point still stands though.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 27 2015 21:38 GMT
#1014
Anyways I gotta get some stuff done

I'll be back around sometime later tonight.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 28 2015 09:26 GMT
#1057
On November 28 2015 07:01 Rels wrote:
You all hear a ghostly voice that sounds like Vivax:

lynch the guy who sounds like a clock


Whatever Vivax, you'll eventually see how wrong you were this game.

Not terribly motivated atm, so I'm gonna do other stuff for a bit.

I'll finish up updating my reads at some point today.

##Vote: Sn0_Man


For now I'll drop a vote here as well. My original mini-case on him still stands, plus he was around for a good chunck of EoD but never made any contributions as to why we should lynch one person over another. Seems like classic scum, sitting on the sidelines until it becomes clear what are the main wagons and then just dropping in whenever seems best.

@ OO

What happened to pushing Onegu and the other inactive or hardly contributing people?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 28 2015 09:29 GMT
#1058
On November 28 2015 11:31 scott31337 wrote:
Allright guys I found a place and paid my deposit but it won't be ready until Wednesday? so it'll be sleeping with friends/homeless until then - One goal accomplished.

I have a lot to catch up and have some time at the moment.


Sorry to hear it's been rough man, hopefully the situation improves without any other holdups.

Interested to see your thoughts when you get caught up.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 28 2015 12:14 GMT
#1062
Here is where I am at with this game atm, (things may change as I do filter dives and reread stuff today) listing strongest town to strongest scum

Town:
sicklucker
Koshi
ANickelDrink

Nullish:

ObviousOne
Chromatically + Show Spoiler +
Need to do a proper read on this guy

Onegu
boxerfred
scott31337

Scum:
GlowingBear + Show Spoiler +
Technically more of a scum lean, but strong enough to warrent being down here. Mostly due to his read progression not making much sense, I'll do a post dedicated to looking at GB later.

Sn0_Man


To do List for today:
- Filter dive and get a better read going on Chrom (His EoD felt pretty good to me, which is why he's moved up somewhat in my list from D1)
- Case on Sn0
- Try and put aside my OMGUS on GB and wade through his filter
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 28 2015 14:51 GMT
#1070
On November 28 2015 23:30 sicklucker wrote:
i wonder if we are able to see who marv votes in the vote count. theres on telling if it cants but we can at least see his preferred lynch


Considering we have no guarantees about what those Spirits are exactly, trying to pull information from them seems like a bad idea.

The notion of them being lynched ppl vs NKs respectively makes sense, but only hosts and possibly scum know for sure.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 28 2015 15:55 GMT
#1071
After going through his filter, I'm starting to think Chrom is town.

Most of his filter is related to pushing OO, but he makes some solid points like enough that I might have to reconsider my read on OO. A few things feel nit picky though, and this post give me some odd feels.

On November 25 2015 13:10 Chromatically wrote:
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On November 25 2015 12:54 ObviousOne wrote:
On November 25 2015 12:44 Chromatically wrote:
On November 25 2015 12:41 ObviousOne wrote:
On November 25 2015 12:37 Chromatically wrote:
On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, some weak early reads:

Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one.

Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game.

SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative.

Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere

sicklucker I'm not sure about. I agree he could be mafia for his push over something which I agree wasn't alignment indicative, but I liked that he didn't back down about it when he came under pressure.

Ticktock I agree with your point, plus he just kind of came in and posted those non-opinions on FF and then peaced out.

Koshi I don't have a read on.


Let me expand on what I mean about OO:
On November 25 2015 07:58 ObviousOne wrote:
On November 25 2015 07:57 sicklucker wrote:
And yes i am role hunting

explain

On November 25 2015 08:07 ObviousOne wrote:
how can you be rolehunting when the op says everyone is vanilla?

On November 25 2015 08:10 ObviousOne wrote:
tbh it looks to me like you either a) lied about rolehunting when you meant smurfhunting and then stuck to your lie for whatever reason or b) didn't read the setup or c) you're mafia and just hinted at the hidden mechanic

sicklucker posts his stuff about FF's claim being weird and also makes a comment about rolehunting. OO jumps on the "rolehunting" part of it, which is the part that looks weird and is easy to jump on as mafia (I was interested in his read on FF from it). The third post is the one I particularly didn't like. The whole post says nothing at all (no conclusion or any point for the post), it seems like it's just a poor attempt to explain why he jumped on the rolehunting comment when it clearly didn't mean much.

he admitted to ignoring the setup completely

mystery solved m80

Wouldn't he do that no matter his alignment? I don't see how that's relevant to what I'm saying.

tbh i don't see how because it was easy that i shouldnt have commented on it, it was literally the first event in the game worth talking about and i wanted to see if he was slipping up as mafia or something. ignorance was the simplest explanation and also his claimed excuse.

the reason that it didnt have a conclusion was pretty obviously stating my thoughts in the thread, i thought people might like to see that. i'll try to do less thinking since it offends you so.

You just said that you think SL is mafia for his push on FF, so why jump on the rolehunting thing that doesn't matter when you clearly have an opinion on his read on FF? Like if ignorance is the simplest explanation then why would you pick that to comment on over something you supposedly think is actually mafia..?

This reaction seems super overblown to me.


First the rolehunting thing happened before (though not by much) the FF smurf thing got brought up, so it's only natural for OO to react to that first. I'm also not sure why you wouldn't comment on something you felt was off even if it has an easy explanation, so that point doesn't make sense to me either.

Post kinda feels like it's beating a dead horse.

Maybe it feels off to me since I get why OO might push SL for saying he was rolehunting. I also kinda feel like reacting to SL saying he was rolehunting is more of a town thing to do, since Scum are more likely to be aware that there are no roles for them to play around in this game.

However other than being tunneled on OO there isn't much else that strikes me as odd about Chrom.

He has been around pretty much all game, pushed his reads while questioning and interacting. EoD felt ok, looking back over it it's a little less impressive than I felt on my first read. He came back an reevaluated, pushed and questioned a few things, and then consolidated.

It does strike me a bit that he didn't try to push OO very much at EoD, but he said he liked the case on Vivax and decided he didn't want to lynch me. So kinda a piddly point there.

I also like his list post he made, though ofc I disagree about GB being almost top town.

There's a few doubts in my mind, but I think Chrom is most likely town here.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 28 2015 15:55 GMT
#1072
@Chrom

Can you elaborate on your GB townread for me?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 28 2015 16:01 GMT
#1073
Crap, wanted to try and put together a case on Sn0 before work, but I think I procrastinated a bit too long.

Short shift today though, so I'll get it done after.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 28 2015 18:49 GMT
#1091
On November 29 2015 02:38 Koshi wrote:
It is funny to read boxerfred and scott their 1 page filter.

I might be a bad person but I believe boxerfred "more". Might be they are both town though. Just dnu.

I also might be a bad player.


I totslly agree with this.

For me I think it's kus BF told us to go ahead and policy lynch him kus he prob wouldnt be able to play for quite a few days.

I'd expect scum to be more like " Shit, sorry guys. No lyncherino plz kus RL"

But thats fairly wifom
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 28 2015 18:52 GMT
#1093
On November 29 2015 02:41 Koshi wrote:
ANickelDrink

This person might be mafia. Isn't doing that much and COULND'T CARE LESS about who got lynched. When he said he voted because "shenannies could happen" IT WAS 100% OBVIOUS it would not happen.

If TT is town like he claims. He should look at this person instead of giving fefe a freaking free pass as top town.


Why you you think I included some tinfoil thoughts when I explained why I was town reading him?

Tbh though, to date none of my tinfoil ideas have panned out...

If you've got bad mojo from him why aren't you making case or summin, rather than tell me to do it?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 28 2015 18:56 GMT
#1095
Ok maybe. I shoulda kept reading... You kinda did just that.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 28 2015 21:53 GMT
#1105
Ok back from work so I'll get started on the last couple things I promised.

Looks like I have to pick up a few extra hours tomorrow due to somebody calling off, so I wont have as much time as I thought I would leading up to EoD.

Pretty much means I have the next couple hours to put in time and then I may not be around much besides some mobile posts till ~1hr before deadline.

I'll try and sneak in some time before I head into that shift though.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 28 2015 23:49 GMT
#1111
Seems like there's some interest in my read on GB, so lets start with that then.

So GB jumped in a little late to the party and starts reacting to the FF discussion and throws out his early reads.

First thing that jumps out to me is his read on SL.
On November 25 2015 11:18 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 25 2015 08:43 sicklucker wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote:
I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that?


ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense...

Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him...

lynch ff for sanity


And this post makes you fairly scum


On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, some weak early reads:

Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one.

Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game.

SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative.

Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere


This read doesn't add up to me.

First off, SL is far from hard pushing FF. He stated his opinion that FF outing his smurf seems scummy. SL never even voted for FF until MUCH later in the day. So how is talking about something that seems scummy to him a "hard push"? Especially given this was like ~2hrs into the day and was literally the only thing to happen in that time.

Then there's the lack of discussion regarding FF there. GB doesn't explain why FF's smurf is NAI, just says SL is scum for pushing it.

I don't want to get too much into the read on me, but it's wierd how GB focuses so much on the fact that I stated "SL has a point" even though my post concluded that the smurf thing was not going to help us figure out his alignment (or as I worded it in that post everyone loves to push, "thing was slightly suspect, but probably NAI). So kinda weird that GB and I had the same conclusion but he pushes the semantics of what I posted.

Moving on.
+ Show Spoiler [NAI, but I felt like talking about it] +

I still feel a little odd about how GB both engages in the conversation about D3 and then pushes people to stop OT discussion and respond to his reads. This point prob wont mean much to most of you, but to me the "herding in" aspect was unnecessary as the game wasn't really very OT. Yea keeping the game on topic and moving forward is good for town and thus is a towny trait, but here I feel like it was an easy thing for scum to post to look like they care getting people to focus on your own content. I suppose that means this point is actually NAI, but I got weird vibes from it.


This post was much later on, but had the same feel to me.
On November 26 2015 00:45 GlowingBear wrote:
ohai, excuse me, is there a game going on here?

Posted after GB had made a few posts over an hour with no response. We get it GB, you need more attention.


Chrome posts some stuff about OO, and GB suggests it's good enough for him to follow but...
On November 25 2015 13:19 GlowingBear wrote:
Hmm, I'll place my vote on Tictock because I prefer it for now, but I can follow that read of yours, Chrom


After that GB makes a few posts asking people to consider the cases on myself and OO, in fact for the middle part of D1 it looks like these are his preffered lynches (though he never actually suggests lynching OO, or even really reading OO himself, just agreed with Chroms read).

Marv starts being more active and GB questions him, interacts, and seems to be cool with Marv.
On November 26 2015 02:19 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 26 2015 02:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm curious as to why u feel taht way gb


In late game he is pretty obvious when he is mafia (usually) and if he is town his existence is always a threat to mafia. Which means I don't have to worry

Untill
On November 26 2015 12:51 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 26 2015 10:10 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2015 10:07 ANickelDrink wrote:
On November 26 2015 10:04 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2015 09:42 Koshi wrote:
Game in which he was mafia, also way more filters than I remember:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494010-completely-normal-generic-mini-mafia?user=marvellosity&page=9

yes that was an efforty mafia game.

I had my bumbuddy Palmar to talk to on irc all the time about it ^^

What do you think of licksucker? He won't respond to me

dunno, unlike koshi i didn't really get what he was saying about you

also last time i was in a game with him and he was mafia i townread him d1 because i thought he was trying and useful, so.

er, i dunno?

not sure if this makes sense but i don't get the townie feels i did when i thought he was town and he was mafia, but i don't know if that really means anything D:


This post bothers me.

Simply because Marv answered the question right away but wasn't willing to answer me when I asked about a guy that is the main wagon.

In other words, Marv has no opinion on the main wagon and isn't willing to talk about it but is okay to talk about anybody else and expand on it even to just say that he doesn't know


This is when things start looking strange to me and I start to loose GB's read progression.

Of Note: The only reads GB has posted at this point (this was after I had returned to the game ~10hrs before EoD) was his original set included in this post.

On November 27 2015 01:11 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 27 2015 00:34 marvellosity wrote:
also sicklucker's point about the Tictock wagon wasn't bad in any way, and the way you dismissed it smells horrible.

the game is really slow. the tictock wagon has been rumbling for... however long? mafia just give up on a player based on one post and nothing? how often do you see votes just pile up on mafia day 1 while nothing else is happening?

it doesn't make tictock "confirmed town" like sl says, but you know how sl talks. The point he raises has merit though and the way you dismissed it looks rubbish


You know that sicklucker's argument on the early wagon isn't that strong because mafia could be just not trying to vote him and wait until town decides another lynch/bussing a team mate because he is AFK and there could be no way to save him.

It's also possible that Tictock decided to be quiet to see if the lynch moves off of him and if it doesn't he just needs to come back to the thread and put some effort so people would be like "ok I'm not comfortable to lynch him anymore" and start another wagon (like what is happening right now).

You may believe Tictock is town but not for that argument

On November 27 2015 01:30 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 27 2015 01:17 marvellosity wrote:
you guys do what you want

i will have no part in lynching tictock

vivax is mafia.



I don't dislike your case and I may vote Vivax if I can overcome my urge to see if I was right on Tictock


GB has been pushing me all day, we also see that he was having some doubts about Marv as well. Yet when Marv is hard defending me and joins me in pushing Vivax, GB goes " Hey that's a good case! I wanna see if TT flips red still though" What happened to the suspicion on Marv? SL even pointed out much later that if GB is so sure that I'm scum then Marv defending me should only further his suspicions on Marv, but instead he just says me might be willing to join the two of us in lynching Vivax? Doesn't make any sense.

Throwing this post in kus it's highly Ironic and relevant
On November 27 2015 01:39 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 27 2015 01:33 Tictock wrote:
On November 27 2015 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 26 2015 17:45 Tictock wrote:
On November 26 2015 09:51 sicklucker wrote:
you guys said alot of garbage but no one disproved my theory. since no ones cares ill just afk vote ff and be right


On November 26 2015 09:54 sicklucker wrote:
On November 26 2015 02:24 Sn0_Man wrote:
if i vote sicklucker its me'n'him in a shitflinging fest nobody cares about with extremely limited material to work with that develops into a useless sideshow that if he's maf he can use to say "look i'm scumhunting" by targetting townie ol me.

meanwhile we make a nice wagon on tictock and he gets pressured in a way that should help us read him. It's not like this is a serious lynch wagon. yet.

u know basic mafia things


lol i dont even care about you . you havent been worth my time to sling one pile of shit so theres that


On November 26 2015 09:56 sicklucker wrote:
im so confused as to why this sno man thinks were in a shit fight when I have never responded to any of his posts. I only read his first one that basically called me an idiot even tho my logic is sound and I stoped reading them


Yea, like 90% sure this is town SL. I'm also about 75% sure he's wrong about FF here though.

Townpiled.


Can you explain to me what in those posts makes SL town?


His in your face, I don't give a F*$%, attitude


Why this has to come from a town sicklucker? In other words, mafia!sicklucker can't do that?
Because I think it's too easy to come up with a theory and don't reevaluate it and refuse to talk about anything else as Mafia

Pretty much sums up what GB has been doing with me all game, huh?

Back to the lynch. Here we see GB isn't totally sure about me, but is still fairly convinced I'm scum, also still considering a Vivax lynch.
On November 27 2015 02:04 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 27 2015 01:43 Tictock wrote:
On November 27 2015 01:30 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 27 2015 01:17 marvellosity wrote:
you guys do what you want

i will have no part in lynching tictock

vivax is mafia.



I don't dislike your case and I may vote Vivax if I can overcome my urge to see if I was right on Tictock


Really you make a read on me based on one post 5 hours into the game, and now just want to see if your read was good? Like it doesn't even sound like you really think I'm mafia but would rather just flip me than try to read into anything happening more recently...

What do you "not dislike" about the case on Vivax?


Here is my problem:

I don't trust your explanation for your early post. I really think that post was way too scummy.

On the other hand, I like that you gave your thoughts on players.

On the other other hand (I may have three), some of them looked to me like you were try harding just to look contributive and save yourself, like your obvious one thing. You talked about him like he was being the second wagon but he is only being voted by Chrom. It felt like unnecessary to me. So your contributions sound to me like it could be coming from both alignments.

In other words, I see one townie trait on you (the fact that you are contributing)/ NAI posts (your contributions per se)/ and a scummy trait on you (that post)

Plus: you being AFK and coming just now and xontributing just now fits mafis strategy that I've used before. I'm just trying to decide if this is wifom and if I'm tunneled on you for no reason.

I liked the entire case on Vivax. Not being contrivutive and that contradiction marv pointed out. I'm waiting for Vivax to reply


This is when GB switched from me to Vivax.
On November 27 2015 02:20 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 27 2015 02:12 marvellosity wrote:
On November 27 2015 02:04 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 27 2015 01:43 Tictock wrote:
On November 27 2015 01:30 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 27 2015 01:17 marvellosity wrote:
you guys do what you want

i will have no part in lynching tictock

vivax is mafia.



I don't dislike your case and I may vote Vivax if I can overcome my urge to see if I was right on Tictock


Really you make a read on me based on one post 5 hours into the game, and now just want to see if your read was good? Like it doesn't even sound like you really think I'm mafia but would rather just flip me than try to read into anything happening more recently...

What do you "not dislike" about the case on Vivax?


Here is my problem:

I don't trust your explanation for your early post. I really think that post was way too scummy.

On the other hand, I like that you gave your thoughts on players.

On the other other hand (I may have three), some of them looked to me like you were try harding just to look contributive and save yourself, like your obvious one thing. You talked about him like he was being the second wagon but he is only being voted by Chrom. It felt like unnecessary to me. So your contributions sound to me like it could be coming from both alignments.

In other words, I see one townie trait on you (the fact that you are contributing)/ NAI posts (your contributions per se)/ and a scummy trait on you (that post)

Plus: you being AFK and coming just now and xontributing just now fits mafis strategy that I've used before. I'm just trying to decide if this is wifom and if I'm tunneled on you for no reason.

I liked the entire case on Vivax. Not being contrivutive and that contradiction marv pointed out. I'm waiting for Vivax to reply

this is totally wifom because if he's town then... he's gonna come back to the game and contribute?

he's been here all fucking day after all


Yeah, I get what you say, but... you also understand what I'm talking about, right? It would be more townie if he came back earlier...

Ok marv, you're right, I shouldn't be lynching someone who is at least contributing.


Sorry, more stuff about GB and off topic posts.
+ Show Spoiler +
Just seems fairly ironic to me that the guy who multiple times told people to get back to the game throws out this series of posts ~4hrs before EoD
On November 27 2015 02:41 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 27 2015 02:47 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 27 2015 02:42 marvellosity wrote:
he looks kinda like me...


I've always thought you looked like an young Rob Halford

On November 27 2015 02:51 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 27 2015 02:47 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 27 2015 02:42 marvellosity wrote:
he looks kinda like me...


I've always thought you looked like an young Rob Halford


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



GB spends some time interacting with Vivax and after leaving and coming back decides Vivax is town and returns his vote to me, he also responds to Koshi who asks why not Chrom.
On November 27 2015 05:53 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 27 2015 03:42 Vivax wrote:
On November 27 2015 03:36 Koshi wrote:
On November 27 2015 03:31 Vivax wrote:
On November 27 2015 03:28 Koshi wrote:
Vivax

Can you explain to me why Chrom is mafia? It is like the one I don't really think is mafia. All the others I cba about atm if I have to be really honest here.


See, this is precisely why I cba to mention everyone I'm scumreading besides my strongest scumread, it leads to shitty questions like these and is the reason I should just shut up about my thoughts.

I want to lynch TT today and I cba to answer anything about marv or Chrom. No,I won't answer, gtfo.

I just want to see if you have anything smart to say or just gave an extra name and are basically bullshitting.

When you answer like this... I am going for bullshitting.


Why Chrom?


Cause I just played with him when he was town in the game BH won and he feels different. Fake contributive, opportunistic. I scumread him and marv when marv asked him something and he answered it or the other way around, I don't remember exactly. But it's more a tonish/feelish read, not really anything I can justify with specific content, except for one thing: He has been maneuvering around TT while agreeing on him with me and GB, at least around the time we posted against TT.

Precisely how I'd see him bussing TT. Do you see any intention of him wanting to lynch TT while saying he agreed with the arguments????

Marv was also really silent around the time the TT thing got started.

Now what really matters for me is:

Do you think TT had any reason to agree with SL on FF if you look back to it except to not piss him off? I don't. It's obvious he only agreed with him for the sake of agreeing (who doesn't like people who agree with you?), since afterwards FF didn't mean jack to him except when marv asked him about it.


Ok I think you're town

##Unvote
##Vote: Tictock

On November 27 2015 05:56 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 27 2015 05:54 Koshi wrote:
On November 27 2015 05:53 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 27 2015 03:42 Vivax wrote:
On November 27 2015 03:36 Koshi wrote:
On November 27 2015 03:31 Vivax wrote:
On November 27 2015 03:28 Koshi wrote:
Vivax

Can you explain to me why Chrom is mafia? It is like the one I don't really think is mafia. All the others I cba about atm if I have to be really honest here.


See, this is precisely why I cba to mention everyone I'm scumreading besides my strongest scumread, it leads to shitty questions like these and is the reason I should just shut up about my thoughts.

I want to lynch TT today and I cba to answer anything about marv or Chrom. No,I won't answer, gtfo.

I just want to see if you have anything smart to say or just gave an extra name and are basically bullshitting.

When you answer like this... I am going for bullshitting.


Why Chrom?


Cause I just played with him when he was town in the game BH won and he feels different. Fake contributive, opportunistic. I scumread him and marv when marv asked him something and he answered it or the other way around, I don't remember exactly. But it's more a tonish/feelish read, not really anything I can justify with specific content, except for one thing: He has been maneuvering around TT while agreeing on him with me and GB, at least around the time we posted against TT.

Precisely how I'd see him bussing TT. Do you see any intention of him wanting to lynch TT while saying he agreed with the arguments????

Marv was also really silent around the time the TT thing got started.

Now what really matters for me is:

Do you think TT had any reason to agree with SL on FF if you look back to it except to not piss him off? I don't. It's obvious he only agreed with him for the sake of agreeing (who doesn't like people who agree with you?), since afterwards FF didn't mean jack to him except when marv asked him about it.


Ok I think you're town

##Unvote
##Vote: Tictock

WHY TICKTOCK. CHROM IS SO MUCH BETTER............. HE IS DOING NOTHING


Because I want to be right.

btw, nice ninja vote boxerfred


Which is a super shit reason, especially when he moved off me because he agreed with Marv that lynching someone who was contributing was bad. At this point I have to wonder, why not go back to OO (who GB seemed fine talking about lynching before) or his other scum read SL?

He does post this,
On November 27 2015 06:01 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 27 2015 05:54 Koshi wrote:
On November 27 2015 05:53 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 27 2015 03:42 Vivax wrote:
On November 27 2015 03:36 Koshi wrote:
On November 27 2015 03:31 Vivax wrote:
On November 27 2015 03:28 Koshi wrote:
Vivax

Can you explain to me why Chrom is mafia? It is like the one I don't really think is mafia. All the others I cba about atm if I have to be really honest here.


See, this is precisely why I cba to mention everyone I'm scumreading besides my strongest scumread, it leads to shitty questions like these and is the reason I should just shut up about my thoughts.

I want to lynch TT today and I cba to answer anything about marv or Chrom. No,I won't answer, gtfo.

I just want to see if you have anything smart to say or just gave an extra name and are basically bullshitting.

When you answer like this... I am going for bullshitting.


Why Chrom?


Cause I just played with him when he was town in the game BH won and he feels different. Fake contributive, opportunistic. I scumread him and marv when marv asked him something and he answered it or the other way around, I don't remember exactly. But it's more a tonish/feelish read, not really anything I can justify with specific content, except for one thing: He has been maneuvering around TT while agreeing on him with me and GB, at least around the time we posted against TT.

Precisely how I'd see him bussing TT. Do you see any intention of him wanting to lynch TT while saying he agreed with the arguments????

Marv was also really silent around the time the TT thing got started.

Now what really matters for me is:

Do you think TT had any reason to agree with SL on FF if you look back to it except to not piss him off? I don't. It's obvious he only agreed with him for the sake of agreeing (who doesn't like people who agree with you?), since afterwards FF didn't mean jack to him except when marv asked him about it.


Ok I think you're town

##Unvote
##Vote: Tictock

WHY TICKTOCK. CHROM IS SO MUCH BETTER............. HE IS DOING NOTHING


Koshi, he was the leading wagon the whole day1, he came back 10 hours from the deadline and made a lot of posts on people withoht a clear direction, he even threw suspicions on me and chrom but decided to vote AFK Vivax (easiest target possible after Onegu). Now that Vivax wagon is rolling, he's been silent about everyone but is here defending himself. Defending HIMSELF, not pushing his lynch.

He is mafia


But I would really like GB to back that post up if he can. Where was I only defending myself? I recall talking to Vivax a decent bit, and since all he wanted to do was push me I was naturally defending myself. Being a holiday in the states I was getting busier and busier as we got to EoD, so pushing my activity was pretty meh. Ehh I could say more, but I'm ironically starting to just defend myself here...

On November 27 2015 06:34 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 27 2015 06:32 Koshi wrote:
Yeah chrom is not happening. Great.


It's not.

If you're certain he is mafia, you should vote Tictock


This post makes no sense. Why should he vote me if he's sure Chrom is mafia?

GB posts pretty much the same thing to FF.
On November 27 2015 06:47 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 27 2015 06:43 ANickelDrink wrote:
You're correct sn0 I never said that in as many words.

On November 27 2015 06:30 Koshi wrote:
On November 27 2015 06:13 ANickelDrink wrote:
Koshi can you point out things I've missed on chrome?

-Tictock avoids talking about him even though he does the same thing as GB and vivax

-marv doesn't talk about chrome

-OO gives chrome an easy town read? More of an agreement with GB

-your scumteam in marv/TT/chrome are all on vivax

-Chrome votes with two of his suspects


That's not a bad list tbh but I think it relies too heavily on association.

I'm more uncomfortable about BF being on vivax than anything at this point


On November 27 2015 05:13 Koshi wrote:
Chrom has way more of those really unspoken reads:
On November 25 2015 12:42 Chromatically wrote:
On November 25 2015 12:27 ANickelDrink wrote:
like if it's not alignment indicative then he can't really push the discussion anywhere since there's nowhere for it to go.

If he had just said "I see what you mean but..." instead of "You have a point" it would be saying the same thing, no?

besides he actually said
On November 25 2015 09:04 Tictock wrote:

Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now.

I guess my problem with the post is more of the fact that it says nothing at all in so many lines. It's not so much that it's a contradiction -> "gg ez scum", but more of the fact that he says "you might have a point" and then waffles for a while and then says "possibly NAI".

That is mafia knowing he is talking bullshit and then goes "I guess it could be this" (but in practice he knows it isn't)


On November 25 2015 12:37 Chromatically wrote:
sicklucker I'm not sure about. I agree he could be mafia for his push over something which I agree wasn't alignment indicative, but I liked that he didn't back down about it when he came under pressure.

Ticktock I agree with your point, plus he just kind of came in and posted those non-opinions on FF and then peaced out.

Koshi I don't have a read on.

Look at how he talks about sl, same shit again: I can see your point BUT yabbyabbayabba. A townie would not always see 2 sides of the story like Chrom seems to do. Especially at the start of the game.


dnu, looks like he is pushing an agenda with the TT/Vivax stuff as well. Suddenly he jumps on that topic and NOTHING IS LEFT ABOUT HIS OO READ? He doesn't even mention it.



What is your opinion on this?

I see what you mean. I think your first point about him knowing he's talking shit is a better point than him having seen both sides of the story in your second quote. I get that townies don't have info and seeing both sides of the story could be born of extra info but just that he is considering both sides isn't scum indicative imo.

His dropping of OO is kinda odd but it's not like OO is being at all consequential this game. His vote in on a plynch AFKer and he hasn't really brought anything to the table. Either chrome forgot about him or I see your point about those two being partners.

I have to go to work and I start exatcly at deadline.

Koshi you and your 8 page filter have my sword.

##unvote
##vote chromatically


For all the good it will do anyway


At least hammer Tictock first since if chrom is mafia you can associate him with Tictock and Vivax is probably town.


Then more of this.
On November 27 2015 06:50 GlowingBear wrote:
YOU HAVE AN OPTION

You either sheep marv
Or you sheep GB!

Think of it! Who is the player you want to sheep???

Nevermind this is probably working against me.

Lynch Tictock. I wanna be right!


And thats pretty much all of GB's filter till EoD, besides him raging a little at Koshi for voting with Chrom at the last min.

Here is where I will acknowledge the point that Chrom made, why would scum!GB be pushing this hard and staying this active through EoD? To be honest, I'm not sure. However I do know that GB is a fairly capable scum player and is definitely capable of playing an active game.

From my point of view I know both of the D1 wagons were town and scum really didn't need to push one town over the other. That means it was definitely the easy play for scum to sit by the sidelines and just cherry pick which wagon and when to join. That doesn't mean that's what Scum did though, especially when as scum you could push one of the wagons pretty hard and still come off looking ok even if that wagon goes through and your target is proven town. In fact while sitting around waiting is the easy play, isn't participating and trying to drive a largely uncoordinated town the smarter play?

So while it is true that GB's activity and his hard push on me are towny traits it doesn't outweigh the other stuff, at least not for me.

Almost done! Sorry this is a giant post.

After EoD GB has been pretty stuck on lynching me still.
On November 27 2015 07:03 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 27 2015 07:01 marvellosity wrote:
damnit

maybe it is tt/chrome/marv after all


Tomorrow we lynch Tictock

Then we lynch Koshi

Then we lynch SL

That's all

Which is w/e, but it's posts like this that I really don't like.
On November 27 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Give me my lynch tomorrow and we are fine


No longer pushing why I am mafia, just more of the "I wanna be right" crap.

Also more associative reads.
On November 27 2015 21:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Koshi, the boxerfred in here is playing very differently from the last he was mafia.

Could be intentionally but it indicates he is probably town here

Scott could be Mafia but his IRL excuses are usually true and he AFKs like this

Snow can only be mafia if TT isn't

That's all

On November 27 2015 21:31 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 27 2015 19:26 marvellosity wrote:
i really don't think Koshi is mafia though, GB.


If TT flips red, I will have a bad time believing this

On November 27 2015 21:51 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 27 2015 21:46 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi.

and no I get your argument. still don't think koshi is mafia though.


Do you have a specific reason or just an overall tone?

I can't push this unless TT flips red, anyways.

(this post is from much later)
On November 28 2015 06:03 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 28 2015 05:11 sicklucker wrote:
On November 28 2015 00:05 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, that list disregard any association since I need a flip first.


then how is marv number one? ;p if you think tt is mafia you know he just saved him right?


That's exactly why marv is number one. I'm disregarding any unflipped association.


Right, course you are...


Then finally before the end of night we get more reads from GB.
On November 28 2015 00:04 GlowingBear wrote:
If I had to make a list of where I'm at without the WIFOM that often times come to haunt me, from towniest to scummiest:

marvellosity
Sn0_Man
Chromatically
ANickelDrink

Koshi
ObviousOne
boxerfred
scott31337
Onegu
sicklucker
TicTock


This is how bad we are at the moment, because I had a hard time organising the nulls. And when I've been suspicious of Koshi but think that he has sufficient townie traits to put him closer to the town side, you know the game is looking pretty bad.


Which is honestly a god awful list for the most part. His hard townread on Marv makes no sense when you consider what I was mentioning earlier about his early doubts on Marv and the fact that Marv keeps hard defending GB's main scumread.

The townread on Sn0 is a joke:
On November 28 2015 06:04 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 28 2015 04:51 Tictock wrote:
GB man, I don't even know what to say to you.

Your so tunneled on me that your setting up associations for if I flip mafia.

Can you explain your townread on Sn0?


Sn0 voted you with me. He could've just piled on Vivax. Instead he followed his play.

It's a weak townread tho, I must admit. Maybe he is just the highest null and not a town read

This doesn't mean much at all if I'm in fact town here now does it?

Koshi went from being 2nd most scum to 4th town?

And of course his scum reads have stayed the same since ~4 hrs into the game.

There's a couple pages left in GB's filter, but I'll spare you all kus this is already a massive ass post.

Based on all this I think there is a very strong chance that GB is scum here.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 28 2015 23:52 GMT
#1112
On November 29 2015 07:33 ANickelDrink wrote:
Did only koshi and chrome play my pretend vigi game? That's no fun at all


I guess I missed this.

Last night I prob woulda shot Sn0.

Tonight, would probably be one of Onegu, Scott, or BF, probably Onegu kus he's been around but only posts promised to read or do shit and never does.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 28 2015 23:56 GMT
#1113
That took a lot longer than I thought, not sure I wanna do another post about Sn0.

You can all just read his filter himself ya? It's pretty short, pg 1 is mostly from pregame.

Here is what I posted earlier from before EoD, it's all still valid just add in how uninvested he was during EoD

On November 26 2015 18:14 Tictock wrote:
Sn0 I think has a strong chance of flipping mafia here as well.

He throws out multiple suggestions to lynch a few different people right off the bat, but other than requoting his post about SL doesn't really push any of it.

Hops on my wagon with no imput, then makes this post
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On November 26 2015 02:24 Sn0_Man wrote:
if i vote sicklucker its me'n'him in a shitflinging fest nobody cares about with extremely limited material to work with that develops into a useless sideshow that if he's maf he can use to say "look i'm scumhunting" by targetting townie ol me.

meanwhile we make a nice wagon on tictock and he gets pressured in a way that should help us read him. It's not like this is a serious lynch wagon. yet.

u know basic mafia things


Which is wierd, because he claims that his vote on me is to get a better read, but he has no read on me that I've seen. Really just seems like he has experience with SL and is more comfortable pushing an unknown person.


I'm also quite interested in the fact that nobody who called out my post early on commented on this one.
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On November 26 2015 04:34 Sn0_Man wrote:
Why would marv not finding scum day 1 as town make him scum now for being useless and not finding scum?
Also, why would "nothing wrong with it" be good justification for a lynch?

I agree that marv's play has been lazy and unhelpful to town in a way that makes me suspicious, but unlike you I prefer the approach proposed by... (gb i think) that waits until marv has proven himself to not be scumhunting before trying to open up his lynch.

So while I liked your sentiment to an extent (that marv isn't playing townie, not that we lynch him today), I really disliked the way you worded and went about your post. Which is what marv pointed out already, which makes things more confusing.


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On November 25 2015 09:04 Tictock wrote:
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On November 25 2015 08:48 sicklucker wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:46 Chromatically wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:43 sicklucker wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote:
I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that?


ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense...

Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him...

lynch ff for sanity

Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf?


Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway..

lol..


Hmm?

You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing.

FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on?

Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play.

Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now.


Seems to me like this post from Sn0 is even more wordy, and goes absolutely nowhere besides saying he's ok waiting to see if Marv does some work. But then later suggests he's unsure about his ability to read Marv

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On November 26 2015 04:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
I detest ur "its obvious enough on its own when i'm maf" defense marv I've lost to ur maf play


Nowhere in his filter do I see a real read from Sn0, just a few suggestions that he's willing to lynch people, but only to "develop reads"

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 00:20 GMT
#1115
On November 29 2015 09:12 ANickelDrink wrote:
Your stuff on GB is really on point actually. His EoD and his bartering lynches really gave me a bad feeling.

From what you're saying a glowingbear flip would be really telling. It would basicaly make me think you and sn0 are both town based on how he is so adamant about you both being opposite alignments. He dismissal of chrome while saying it has merit is weird too. Makes me want to look at OO again but I'm not sure he's done a whole lot since I last looked.

TT, why would you not use your pretend gun on GB since you have so much dirt on him?


Kus I might preffer to lynch him over Sn0 atm, or at least he's my top choice for shenannies.

Also, we need to do something with those 3 inactives eventually. If they are all town they are making this game that much harder, and god forbid we get to mylo or lylo with more than one of them.

Theres not a terrible chnace that Onegu or Scott are mafia pulling the afk game. Kinda doubt we'd see that from BF, but I've only seen his scum play once so who knows.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 00:26 GMT
#1116
Has Sn0 even posted this phase?

Wanted to see some reactions from him...
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 00:30 GMT
#1117
Not really...

Bleh. Well I think thats about all from me for a bit.

Pretty open to lynching either of GB or Sn0.

Like I said I'll be around for EoD, but maybe not much till then. I should be able to at least stay caught up reading at work.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 14:29 GMT
#1135
Wow, I was expectingto haveome catching up to do, but nobody is around on the weekend?

Point 4 in OO's post on Chrom was super weak, the rest of it felt decent. I actually approve of the point about not considering town modivations, but thats an easy thing for town to overlook too when they get on a train of thought (aka tunneling).

I wouldn't call Chroms response blowing it out of the water, but it was a solid response post.

Idk, I kinda think both OO and Chrome are town, OO is the guy I'm less sure about though.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 14:34 GMT
#1138
Actually thinking about it more OO's reads and progression on them has been really lackluster.

Humm, I'll ponder while at work.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 16:00 GMT
#1144
On November 29 2015 23:34 Onegu wrote:
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On November 29 2015 23:29 Tictock wrote:
Wow, I was expectingto haveome catching up to do, but nobody is around on the weekend?

Point 4 in OO's post on Chrom was super weak, the rest of it felt decent. I actually approve of the point about not considering town modivations, but thats an easy thing for town to overlook too when they get on a train of thought (aka tunneling).

I wouldn't call Chroms response blowing it out of the water, but it was a solid response post.

Idk, I kinda think both OO and Chrome are town, OO is the guy I'm less sure about though.



This started on shit days for americans. We just had a big holiday and then alot of people will go shopping this weekend because of the deals. And weekends are always slow.


Yes, I know. Did holiday stuff myself and been working.

Still been here doing stuff.

You just gunna waste a vote on Koshi again Onegu?

This game has been going on almost a week now and you've only managed one post that isn't promises and excuses.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 16:12 GMT
#1149
On November 30 2015 00:58 sicklucker wrote:
Well we def lynch sno if he does not post today


Agreed.

Starting to really wish we had a vig or something to resolve all these dead slots.

Anyways Not much more to add until more people post/vote.

GB did you not have any reaction to my mega posts?

I notice you drunkenly dropped your scum read on me.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 16:15 GMT
#1151
On November 30 2015 01:02 Onegu wrote:
I said it was a placeholder. I am on page 22 reading and catching up. While playing dota.


So you're still at the same place you were when you last said you were 30 pages behind, and your splitting your focus.

Got it.

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Don't expect jack all
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 16:18 GMT
#1152
On November 30 2015 01:14 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 30 2015 01:12 Tictock wrote:
On November 30 2015 00:58 sicklucker wrote:
Well we def lynch sno if he does not post today


Agreed.

Starting to really wish we had a vig or something to resolve all these dead slots.

Anyways Not much more to add until more people post/vote.

GB did you not have any reaction to my mega posts?

I notice you drunkenly dropped your scum read on me.


Yeah i usually don't scum read anyone when they put effort

That was my drunken self tbh. But I surely think you could be town right now


... Can't dig up posts atm, but your tune was very different last EoD.

So then, who do you think is the best lynch today?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 18:47 GMT
#1166
On November 30 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 30 2015 01:18 Tictock wrote:
On November 30 2015 01:14 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 30 2015 01:12 Tictock wrote:
On November 30 2015 00:58 sicklucker wrote:
Well we def lynch sno if he does not post today


Agreed.

Starting to really wish we had a vig or something to resolve all these dead slots.

Anyways Not much more to add until more people post/vote.

GB did you not have any reaction to my mega posts?

I notice you drunkenly dropped your scum read on me.


Yeah i usually don't scum read anyone when they put effort

That was my drunken self tbh. But I surely think you could be town right now


... Can't dig up posts atm, but your tune was very different last EoD.

So then, who do you think is the best lynch today?


Why does my tone matter?

I'm thinking about what marv said about SL so I'm stepping back, and I think you look fair enough today to guarantee a lynch. So I'm just sticking with what I find a good read made by someone I town read. So yeah, OO


What?

And I said tune, not tone.

As in you were pushing me last phase kus I was "over-contributing" saying it was mafia indicative. Yet you've never really responded to any of the content of my posts.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 18:50 GMT
#1167
On November 30 2015 03:39 Chromatically wrote:
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On November 29 2015 23:29 Tictock wrote:
Wow, I was expectingto haveome catching up to do, but nobody is around on the weekend?

Point 4 in OO's post on Chrom was super weak, the rest of it felt decent. I actually approve of the point about not considering town modivations, but thats an easy thing for town to overlook too when they get on a train of thought (aka tunneling).

I wouldn't call Chroms response blowing it out of the water, but it was a solid response post.

Idk, I kinda think both OO and Chrome are town, OO is the guy I'm less sure about though.

What about it felt decent? I can try to break down what I'm saying more if it helps. I agree point one is the least weak of them all, but 2-5 are super weak at best and straight up misrepresentations at worst.


Its more like I can see a town mindset behind that post by OO, though I should look at it again a little closer when I get home.

You've already addressed his points quite well.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 18:52 GMT
#1168
Onegu, can you at least give us an example of a post that is making you have the heebie jeebies about chrome?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 20:37 GMT
#1190
I'm back home, and should be around the rest of EoD.

Nothing from Sn0 is convincing me he is town, but something about how afk and dead this game has been today kinda makes me think mafia doesn't care if he gets lynched.

So, lets lynch GB!

##Vote: GlowingBear
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 20:40 GMT
#1192
Like compare GB's play today to D1.

D1 he puts in effort, makes reads pushes them, etc.

Today, almost nothing of substance.

I'm also wondering why he's been silent about Sn0 getting lynched when he put Sn0 as his #2 town...

I'm really not seeing him being town here.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 20:40 GMT
#1193
On November 30 2015 05:38 sicklucker wrote:
i dont think lyncing gb here is the play even tho hes mafia. I dont want to be talking to a wall for the next 2 weeks


What?

Explain
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 20:42 GMT
#1194
On November 30 2015 05:37 Tictock wrote:
Nothing from Sn0 is convincing me he is town, but something about how afk and dead this game has been today kinda makes me think mafia doesn't care if he gets lynched.


The same logic applies to OO here I think. Nobody seems to be bothered by him being pushed (besides me saying I think he could be town).

Ehh, almost forgot that Onegu is voting Chrom kus he doesn't like the push on OO... humm
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 20:45 GMT
#1197
On November 30 2015 05:44 sicklucker wrote:
theres literally no new information to go on in day 2. this game is lame


Agreed.

You don't have any strong opinions on this lynch?

Like I don't get why you say GB is prob mafia but lynching him is not the play...
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 20:47 GMT
#1200
On November 30 2015 05:46 Koshi wrote:
GB is never the lynch here.


Why not?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 20:54 GMT
#1207
On November 30 2015 05:49 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2015 05:47 Tictock wrote:
On November 30 2015 05:46 Koshi wrote:
GB is never the lynch here.


Why not?

Because it is either OO or Snow. So unless you have reasons to believe both are town I don't see why we would lynch GB.


I really don't like that reasoning. Why should we stick to the 2 lynches that have been slowly going all day that have gotten next to no reactions?

I feel like i have pretty good reasons for why GB is mafia here.

Check out my big case.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 20:58 GMT
#1213
On November 30 2015 05:52 Koshi wrote:
Yeah that case you made on GB has a lot of narrative in it. Doesn't make him mafia for being of opinion that sl is mafia for jumping on the ff thing... Then it makes him more mafia if he pulls that through to you and calls you mafia as well?

It's being consistent.


Him jumping around isn't general mafia either. Mafia has way more issues being a chicken without head all the time.


For one, he's hardly been jumping around on his reads at all, besides one or two exceptions.

Second, he has hardly given any reasons for why he's changed his reads in the last day.

Like the fact that he only ever talks about my activity, but never the content I'm putting out past that one post he went off on D1. That's not a read, and activity is never a good way to make a read on people. You gotta compare activity with content.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 21:07 GMT
#1223
On November 30 2015 06:01 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2015 06:00 ANickelDrink wrote:
On November 30 2015 05:52 Koshi wrote:
Yeah that case you made on GB has a lot of narrative in it. Doesn't make him mafia for being of opinion that sl is mafia for jumping on the ff thing... Then it makes him more mafia if he pulls that through to you and calls you mafia as well?

It's being consistent.


Him jumping around isn't general mafia either. Mafia has way more issues being a chicken without head all the time.

Talking about TT's case? I remember reading it last night and thinking it was ok... Was his conclusion really just that it's weird?

No. It is an ok first read. But nothing in it says:
GB did this because he is mafia, if he was town he would do Y.

It's more of a story of what GB did, and then find it odd to understand, then conclude it should be mafia GB.


The not understanding was not seeing how it made sense from town!GB.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 21:08 GMT
#1225
On November 30 2015 06:04 Koshi wrote:
Yeah... If OO and snow are not mafia last lynches will be scott, bf and Onegu.

TT, GB, SL, fefe are getting unlynchable at this point.


Yea I have really bad issues with this thinking.

You've got to at least consider the possibility of Scum being active, and town getting shit on with so many non-contributors.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 21:10 GMT
#1229
I'll tell you right now that if I was scum, I'd be just as active and doing as much work as I have been this game.

So yea, I think it's a very real possibility.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 21:11 GMT
#1232
On November 30 2015 06:10 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2015 06:08 Tictock wrote:
On November 30 2015 06:04 Koshi wrote:
Yeah... If OO and snow are not mafia last lynches will be scott, bf and Onegu.

TT, GB, SL, fefe are getting unlynchable at this point.


Yea I have really bad issues with this thinking.

You've got to at least consider the possibility of Scum being active, and town getting shit on with so many non-contributors.


Again, summarise your reasons to why am I Mafia and tell us who are my partners if I am


I'm not trying to build a scumteam here, and I've made plenty of posts explaining why I think you are scum.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 21:19 GMT
#1237
On November 30 2015 06:14 Koshi wrote:
It's a good question.

Give us a scumteam TT.

4 names. most likely mafia


Without more info my reads are basically still the same as this post.

On November 28 2015 21:14 Tictock wrote:
Here is where I am at with this game atm, (things may change as I do filter dives and reread stuff today) listing strongest town to strongest scum

Town:
sicklucker
Koshi
ANickelDrink

Nullish:

ObviousOne
Chromatically + Show Spoiler +
Need to do a proper read on this guy

Onegu
boxerfred
scott31337

Scum:
GlowingBear + Show Spoiler +
Technically more of a scum lean, but strong enough to warrent being down here. Mostly due to his read progression not making much sense, I'll do a post dedicated to looking at GB later.

Sn0_Man


To do List for today:
- Filter dive and get a better read going on Chrom (His EoD felt pretty good to me, which is why he's moved up somewhat in my list from D1)
- Case on Sn0
- Try and put aside my OMGUS on GB and wade through his filter


And with the numerous inactive people and hardly any reads or info from the rest of you all I'm just about over this game.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 21:24 GMT
#1243
Throwing my vote back onto Sn0.

Guess we'll see how this goes, but my gut feeling is that town is pretty fucked this game.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 21:26 GMT
#1247
Well Koshi I though Shenanigans would be appropriate for how dead the day has been, but you all have undefined hard townreads on GB

or like SL just feel like even if he's mafia he's not the lynch here

this just feels like D1 all over again to me
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 21:28 GMT
#1249
On November 30 2015 06:26 Koshi wrote:
Like how can your gut think we are fucked if we are voting away your biggest scumread (par gb)


My gut can think whatever the hell it wants, my head gets to decide if I'm going to listen to it or not.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 21:29 GMT
#1251
On November 30 2015 06:27 ANickelDrink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2015 06:26 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 30 2015 06:20 GlowingBear wrote:
EBWOP:

If you don't have time to play the game and you don't wish to vote on people, why do you enter the voting thread right at the beginning of the day?


Please help me think this through

who are you talking about?


Pretty sure he's referring to Sn0, but I'm not sure where this part came from.
If you don't have time to play the game and you don't wish to vote on people


Unless I missed or am forgetting about a post Sn0 made.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 21:34 GMT
#1253
On November 30 2015 06:31 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2015 06:26 Tictock wrote:
Well Koshi I though Shenanigans would be appropriate for how dead the day has been, but you all have undefined hard townreads on GB

or like SL just feel like even if he's mafia he's not the lynch here

this just feels like D1 all over again to me

Both snow and OO need to go asap. This day has been pretty ok. Just sad 2 people are not playing at all and 2 are doing nothing townie in the few posts they made.

If we (aka town) lose this game because of that I am fine with it. If GB/Chrom/TT are mafia for instance, I am really fine with a loss.


The fact that you seem fine to just lynch through lurkers or inactive people and don't care if that looses town the game is going to make me really rethink my read on you after this lynch.

Plus I've never understood why you were so adamant that Vivax was town last EoD at first and then jumped on the lynch anyway.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 21:48 GMT
#1260
SL are you gunna throw your vote away again?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 21:50 GMT
#1261
Also I disagree with Koshi

Hosts, plz modkill all the non voters

Thank you
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 21:50 GMT
#1262
Wait when did Scott ninja vote?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 21:53 GMT
#1266
Tempted to change my vote to OO since both GB and Scott are on Sn0 now...
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 21:53 GMT
#1267
Nah
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 21:55 GMT
#1273
On November 30 2015 06:50 Sn0_Man wrote:
still don't see how we could ever lynch me over onegu/boxer/scott but w/e


Imagine how Vivax feels getting lynched D1 over everyone else
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 21:59 GMT
#1281
Bah... this game
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 29 2015 22:02 GMT
#1295
Yep, town makes me sad this game.

GG scum.

I'm out.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 30 2015 22:40 GMT
#1374
On December 01 2015 07:03 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
7. No lynch is not allowed. Self voting is allowed. Mafia not using their shot is allowed.

sick mafia strategy pretend the mafia team isn't playing so any lurker is a candidate for a swift no-fuss low-activity victory. gr8 b8 m8


I have no idea why that would be your first reaction.

On December 01 2015 02:32 Koshi wrote:
If I had to guess. Maybe GB, TT and then OO?
Not that I ever would lynch them.


We lost town. RIP.
We tried. (I think)


This post is 100% bullshit.

##Vote: Koshi
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 30 2015 22:42 GMT
#1375
On December 01 2015 07:38 sicklucker wrote:
so since im confirmed town and were in mylo were if one town misvotes we lose. how do you feel about all sheeping me whoever I choose?


Nah this isn't mylo

we are 6/3 today

5/3 ML
4/3 NK

Lylo tomorrow
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 30 2015 22:44 GMT
#1377
So most likely the hidden mechanic is a private QT for the dead to talk and make a vote and protection...

there's probably a twist in there somewhere though
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 30 2015 22:49 GMT
#1380
So we have

OO
Scott
Onegu

who are all basically coinflips, though I think I listed them in poe fashion

at least SL is confirmed now...

makes 0 sense for scum to hold their shot
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 30 2015 22:59 GMT
#1384
Koshi is going beyond "weird town nonsense" for me

He had no reasons to hard defend Vivax like he did D1, instead kept insisting that he couldn't choose between the wagons, tried to push Chrom who had been pushing OO

Yesturday had like no imput, was totally against my switch to GB, then includes both of us in a scumteam, with OO?

Like, right now I could totally see Koshi, OO + 1

Koshi had no reaction to the OO wagon D2, but has him in his potential scumteam. EoD was only willing to push Sn0.

Idk, I def put on my tinfoil hat last night.

I'm still not sure about GB, but I've been pretty wrong so far this game.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 30 2015 23:04 GMT
#1385
On December 01 2015 07:57 sicklucker wrote:
ya its you or onegu basically we really need to take out a 1 or 2 filter player that we will never read very well...


I'm forced to admit you are right, but I can't help feeling like town never wins this way in a game like this.

Ofc I have shit for experience in that department so ... yea
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 30 2015 23:09 GMT
#1387
Actually seriously, can you help me with this?
On December 01 2015 07:40 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2015 07:03 ObviousOne wrote:
7. No lynch is not allowed. Self voting is allowed. Mafia not using their shot is allowed.

sick mafia strategy pretend the mafia team isn't playing so any lurker is a candidate for a swift no-fuss low-activity victory. gr8 b8 m8


I have no idea why that would be your first reaction.


This possibly makes less sense to me than Koshi's scumteam.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 30 2015 23:20 GMT
#1390
I just don't see how anyone reading this and thinking "Oh mafia held their shot"

On December 01 2015 07:00 Rels wrote:


Nobody was killed tonight.



sicklucker was protected by the benevolent ghosts.



Though thinking about it, the only way that makes sense from a scum perspective is if you were prepared with that post to react to the no kill and had no idea about the protection.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 30 2015 23:27 GMT
#1392
Idk, I don't trust that dumbtell

it seems earnest though
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 30 2015 23:31 GMT
#1393
honestly I'm kinda going in circles, and with so little activity...

sigh, it's hard to want to put real effort into this anymore.

I know I'm never lynching SL or Chrom.

Lynching into Scott, Onegu, or OO seems like the best option going into Lylo.

But I'm also not ok with the nonsense Koshi was spitting out.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 30 2015 23:32 GMT
#1395
FF has also dropped off heavily and the SL shot does implicate him.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 30 2015 23:33 GMT
#1396
On December 01 2015 08:31 ObviousOne wrote:
wow that means a lot thanks bro



On November 13 2015 12:58 Tictock wrote:
[image loading]

Wanna fight about it?

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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 30 2015 23:54 GMT
#1399
Oh god, another day in this game...

*cries*
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 01 2015 00:18 GMT
#1402
On December 01 2015 09:02 sicklucker wrote:
LMAO maybe oo is town


Honestly I keep coming to this conclusion myself.

His filter is short, but it's decent.

Also that last EoD screams Town v Town to me.

What do you think about a possible team of GB, Koshi, FF?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 01 2015 00:20 GMT
#1403
I mean obliviously I can never be sure if Onegu or Scott are town here.

But I do kinda think Onegu is town, and a mafia!scott would probably try and explain his ninja vote a little... maybe
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 01 2015 00:29 GMT
#1404
Ok, well I'll decide tomorrow if this game is worth the effort of a full reread
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 01 2015 10:06 GMT
#1480
On December 01 2015 16:50 sicklucker wrote:
watch the scum team be gb/ff/chrom ...

How sad would that be


I think that's definitely a possibility.

##Unvoteing Koshi, was mostly a vote for pressure so he'd at least make some sense when proposing teams and shit. Like the notion that GB is scum pushing both his teammates the whole game is total garbage imo.

@ GB, why are you pushing Scott now?

FF had a pretty good point about your statement that "you thought about Shenanies onto Scott" but you basically ignored him D1 and D2, only mentioned your desire to lynch him after the Sn0 flip.

Then again, idk if i trust FF anymore. As town he picks up as the game gets on, here he is slowing down. Even after his post that "Mafia is trying to incriminate me with that shot" there is nothing, no followup, no passion.

Ehh it doesn't make much sense for FF to push GB after EoD like he did if they are mafia together though...
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 01 2015 10:07 GMT
#1481
Oh, lol I never even actually voted >.<
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 01 2015 10:17 GMT
#1482
I feel like I'm trying to look at today from 2 different views.

1 - Who do I most want to lynch? (Aka, who do I think has the best shot of being mafia)

2- Who is the best lynch going into lylo? (who is going to be the hardest person to read)

For me 1) GB 2) one of Scott/Onegu

I sorta think Onegu is town, but it's like a 60% chance he flips town in my mind, just slightly better than a coinflip. Unfortunately that's mostly kus of meta shit.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 01 2015 10:24 GMT
#1483
SL, do you recall the last game we played in together?

Where BF was the last mafia and I tunneled poor confused townRB Plotspot most of the game?

Scott was the afk mafia we caught D1, do you see any similarities to how he played that game to this one?

He did have legit reasons to be AFK that game, actually somehow Scott always has reasons to be low volume poster. Usually though when he's town he makes big reads posts or some kinda big overview post.

Here D1 he disagrees with GB and pokes a few things in a big post, then sheeps GB on me kus of his issues.

Btw I still haven't reread stuff, just thought dumping atm.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 01 2015 11:01 GMT
#1489
On December 01 2015 19:39 sicklucker wrote:
Like im pretty sure ff always gets town read because hes always town rather then people knowing how to read him. If that makes anysense so him being worried of getting lynched MAKES NO SENSE. he never gets lynched another weird inconsistency


Makes total sense to me.

Actually a FF lynch today might be very interesting.

Lets do it.

##Vote: ANickleDrink

##I Want my Dime back!
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 01 2015 11:07 GMT
#1490
Just to be clear this was my thinking

On December 01 2015 19:06 Tictock wrote:
Then again, idk if i trust FF anymore. As town he picks up as the game gets on, here he is slowing down. Even after his post that "Mafia is trying to incriminate me with that shot" there is nothing, no followup, no passion.


SL is just hitting the same nail with a different hammer
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 01 2015 15:29 GMT
#1500
Noting that GB has managed 2 pages of filter since D2 started.

Last real suggestion from him was a team of OO, Sn0 and Scott, and maybe BF.

Now suggests Scot kus we can "afford the mislynch"

Clearly a player who cares.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 01 2015 16:30 GMT
#1502
On December 02 2015 01:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 00:29 Tictock wrote:
Noting that GB has managed 2 pages of filter since D2 started.

Last real suggestion from him was a team of OO, Sn0 and Scott, and maybe BF.

Now suggests Scot kus we can "afford the mislynch"

Clearly a player who cares.


Clearly you're a player "tunneled" in me but does not hesitate to vote FF instead


So is it a bad vote or what?

Am I faking this tunnel on you or not?

Like what the hell man, your not doing jack shit.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 01 2015 17:16 GMT
#1509
On December 02 2015 01:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote:
On December 02 2015 01:08 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 02 2015 00:29 Tictock wrote:
Noting that GB has managed 2 pages of filter since D2 started.

Last real suggestion from him was a team of OO, Sn0 and Scott, and maybe BF.

Now suggests Scot kus we can "afford the mislynch"

Clearly a player who cares.


Clearly you're a player "tunneled" in me but does not hesitate to vote FF instead


So is it a bad vote or what?

Am I faking this tunnel on you or not?

Like what the hell man, your not doing jack shit.


And yes, it's a horrible vote, by your POV everything should point out to me being Mafia.


I don't understand.

Voting FF is bad, because I should be pushing you?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2015 16:41 GMT
#1591
On December 02 2015 23:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 23:34 Koshi wrote:
On December 02 2015 23:27 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 02 2015 23:24 Koshi wrote:
On December 02 2015 23:22 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 02 2015 23:01 Koshi wrote:
There have been so many questions raised against you in the last pages. But if you are so fucking blind you can't read those and answer them I really can't help you anymore.


I've answered all the questions I've seen in the thread and im doing my best to keep track of things. It's not because I'm not pushing anyone hard that I'm doing nothing. I'm not confident on my scum reads but I am reevaluating stuff pretty constantly to be able to do PoE

Explain to me why it is fucking impossible that I see you as potential mafia?
Or do you think I am mafia?


I think you might be town, I'm not sure on you, but I am asking you why am I Mafia so I understand where your suspicions are coming from. Just that.

Because since D1 I have no idea anymore
1) How you will solve this game. I have no clue at all.
2) Who your scumreads are. I mean... you think I am mafia, TT is mafia, OO is mafia. You can't know if Onegu is mafia, or scott. So really? Maybe you should just start making a list of people who you would accept losing to if they are mafia. Because you aren't get anywhere. And is not that by time we can cut down the fucking list. Cuz shitters like scott and Onegu are refusing to make a single post about this game in 192 hours. Scott is actually reading the game though. So that is why tomorrow we lynch Scott. And then Onegu.


None of these people are strong reads

But I'm doing things by PoE

So today I don't want to lynch Chrom (top town), Koshi, TT and OO (his latest reactions sounded townie to me)

I think scott should be the lynch today since we can afford a mislynch. I think FF cares too little to be Mafia here. Or it would make him more likely to be Mafia? I don't know. But I would always lynch scott first.

SICKLUCKER is confirmed town so whatever

This is where I'm at


I don't understand why you say Scott over Onegu here.

In fact it looks like you've forgotten about Onegu entirely.


Anyways catching up while at work.

I agree 100% with Koshi the last few pages. Never lynch that dude.

I'll be around for EoD, I think I'm still ok lynching FF if he's not even gunna try. Either he's mafia hoping we shennie onto someone else or he's another useless town. In the case that FF is town, I think town looses this game rehardless of if we lynch him or not.

Like, no chance in hell do we come back in LyLo with so many players not giving a shit.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2015 19:50 GMT
#1603
Yea, so my whole plan for today was to solidify a town circle and go by PoE.

Right now my circle is Koshi, SL and Chrom (I agree with SL, very slim chance Chrom is mafia playing a solid game, but pretty much never gunna be an issue unless we somehow make it to 3 man lylo.)

The rest are all potential PoE for me.

I cannot, despite every effort to get them to help us out, townread GB or FF.

OO is doing just enough to not really be a lurker.

Scott and Onegu might as well be empty slots. Scott initially saying he wouldn't be back till today, then comes in yesterday and says nope it will be Sat (which is next EoD, btw) is super shit.

Basically I'm not sure I care who we lynch as long is it's someone from this group of players.

Scott
Onegu
FF
GB
OO

Benevolent Ghosts supporting the FF lynch, and FF himself not giving a shit makes me fine leaving my vote on him. If anyone strongly feels we should be lynching someone else, now is the time to convince ppl.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2015 19:51 GMT
#1604
I'll be honest, I've basically lost my motivation to play this game after D2.

Obviously I'm around and putting some thought into this, but I can't be bothered to even reread stuff kus literally nothing has happened since D1.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2015 19:55 GMT
#1605
I just pulled these names out as they came to mind, but this is actually not a half bad PoE list now that I think about it.

On December 03 2015 04:50 Tictock wrote:
Scott
Onegu
FF
GB
OO

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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 02 2015 20:29 GMT
#1606
On December 03 2015 04:50 Tictock wrote:
Benevolent Ghosts supporting the FF lynch, and FF himself not giving a shit makes me fine leaving my vote on him. If anyone strongly feels we should be lynching someone else, now is the time to convince ppl.


Buddy of mine is headed over so idk how much more I'll be around.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 03 2015 00:20 GMT
#1626
Sorry I ever doubted you about the smurf thing SL.

I have tomorrow off so will save any work I decide to do here till then.

We still have a lynch to deal with Onegu/Scott (and I kinda think at least one of them has to be mafia).

I'll tinfoil any possible bussing going on later.

GB still my top scum, I acutely think FF flipping mafia makes this read super solid.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 03 2015 00:23 GMT
#1627
It sounds weird, but I'm kinda thinking a team of GB/FF/Scott makes a ton of sense.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 03 2015 00:25 GMT
#1628
Then again if I'm just tunneled on GB right now FF/Onegu/Scott is also totes possible.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 03 2015 02:28 GMT
#1632
Ok I swear I wasn't planning to do anything tonight, but I remembered this exchange.

On December 02 2015 03:23 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 02:16 Tictock wrote:
On December 02 2015 01:43 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 02 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote:
On December 02 2015 01:08 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 02 2015 00:29 Tictock wrote:
Noting that GB has managed 2 pages of filter since D2 started.

Last real suggestion from him was a team of OO, Sn0 and Scott, and maybe BF.

Now suggests Scot kus we can "afford the mislynch"

Clearly a player who cares.


Clearly you're a player "tunneled" in me but does not hesitate to vote FF instead


So is it a bad vote or what?

Am I faking this tunnel on you or not?

Like what the hell man, your not doing jack shit.


And yes, it's a horrible vote, by your POV everything should point out to me being Mafia.


I don't understand.

Voting FF is bad, because I should be pushing you?


Yes


There is no way this is town!GB. This is clearly mafia!GB trying to discredit me and my push on FF.

I's a bit WIFOM but I think Scott is pretty likely to be the 3rd mafia with GB.

First off Scotts promises are too coincidental. Each one of these being right at the next EoD?

Yet he's actually showing up to cast his vote and make a post every once and awhile.

So most likely, shit is going down with Scott (sorry man) but is still doing what is needed to stay afloat and not get modkilled.

It even makes sense for scum!GB to push scum!Scott D3 because shenannies onto an afk scummate is a great way to get some towncred before heading into LyLo. Also pushing scott kinda indirectly pushes Onegu too, as it enforces the idea of scum playing lurky.

The reason why I'm not considering Onegu so strongly here?

Well it's because the very small bit of filter Scott has, does have something interesting.
On November 25 2015 14:55 scott31337 wrote:

Is this the post you are referring to GB?

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On November 25 2015 09:04 Tictock wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:48 sicklucker wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:46 Chromatically wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:43 sicklucker wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote:
I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that?


ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense...

Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him...

lynch ff for sanity

Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf?


Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway..

lol..


Hmm?

You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing.

FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on?

Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play.

Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now.


I'm just not seeing it for being a scumread - I see there's a lot of fluff there, he comes up with a superweak conclusion - is that what you are referring to?


On November 26 2015 13:26 scott31337 wrote:
I'm not sure If I'll even be on tomorrow with the holiday.

The best case and my highest townread ATM is GB - so I'm sheeping him.

I'll be on for a couple hours.


Scott goes from questioning GB's scumread on me to GB being his top town and sheeping him.

It's weak, but it's a strange progression none the less.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 03 2015 02:35 GMT
#1634
On December 03 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote:
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On December 03 2015 11:27 sicklucker wrote:
I feel like if the team was scott/onegu or some dumb shit mafia would have conceded ( they still might)

but lets assume they dont concede that means they are trying. That means one of gb or oo is mafia always.

Remember these words of wisdom.

The best play is probably to lynch two of scott/onegu and one of gb/chrome to extend the game. But picking one from each group will probably let mafia have a chance


Trust me, I'm not Mafia


Can I start calling you BoringBear?

Alliteration is always appealing
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 03 2015 11:55 GMT
#1645
@ Koshi

Look at that interaction I posted last, the one between GB and me last day phase.

How does it make any sense that town!GB tells me my vote on FF is bad because I should be pushing GB as scum?

I don't think GB ever even gave a read on FF all game, yet keeps saying how suspect the wagon on him was yesturday.

Like, I have tried to give GB the benifit of the doubt a few times this game, but that shit is so scummy.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 03 2015 12:12 GMT
#1646
Also thanks Chrom for digging those posts up.

I think GB's reactions look really scummy. He pushes SL (who is the only one totally convinced the smurf thing made FF mafia) and Myself over our reactions, but never actually tries to make a read on FF himself. Just says the smurf thing is obviusly NAI, not even that it makes FF town, just NAI. So it looks to me like mafia!GB is pushing on the people who have an instant suspicion of FF based on the smurf thing while not committing to a read in case FF does flip.

It's actually interesting, OO and Chrom were the 2 people who thought the smurf thing was town indicative.

Onegu saying he found it kinda scummy is actually fairly large points in his favor, I would def lynch Scott over Onegu tomorrow. Also kus of the stuff I was pointing out earlier.

Everyone else was fairly noncommital, including myself.

It's probably pretty obvious, but I'm strongly feeling like the next 2 lynches should be GB and Scott.

Outside chance I'm wrong on one and it's either OO or Onegu as the last scum, prob OO over Onegu for me atm. I suppose I can't overlook a tinfoil on Chrom either, he was rather adamant that FF was town kus of the smurf thing.

Idk I still need to look at the possibility of a buss.

It's possible that the wagon on FF was pure and this game is as easy as GB/FF/OO. Seems a touch unlikely though.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 03 2015 13:15 GMT
#1649
Ehh, you might have a point Koshi.

I kinda have this feeling that Scum was hoping there would be shenannies last EoD and FF was hoping that he could get away with not doing anything then have everyone go "This wagon has been too easy, lets switch!"

Idk, just my gut saying stuff again.

On December 03 2015 21:45 Koshi wrote:
if GB is the sole mafia trying to win the game with his AFK teammates his endgame would be to win vs OO in lylo. He is doing a piss poor job securing the win like this.


This isn't a bad point at all, however....

I'm never gunna be swayed much by "too scummy to be scum" especially when I have a hard enough time already seeing town motivations in what GB is doing this game.

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 03 2015 13:21 GMT
#1650
On December 03 2015 21:49 Koshi wrote:
Onegu hasn't done shit this game. But that 1 comment on the fefe smurf was spot on. Could smell like TMI? dnu. I have no interest in guessing the alignment of 2 people who refuse to play.

I also think fefe would play better if he had a good teammate like TT/Chrom/GB/Koshi. I was pretty pissed at a possible town!fefe yesterday but in a team with scott/Onegu/OO his lackluster play makes sense.

Worst case scenario for us townies is fefe/GB/OO. If we can rule that out we got this covered till at least lylo.


Eh, maybe. But if this is afk mafia!Onegu why bother saying that so far after the fact and when FF wasn't under any real suspicion?

If we decide to lynch into the lurker pool tomorrow (which is still a good idea as we are still 1 mislynch from LyLo) I def think Scott is the lynch.

If nothing else his excuses lining up perfectly with EoD's is way too convenient.

Also why doesn't scum!Onegu at least sheep town last phase? Throwing his vote away and missing a chance to sheep confirmed town onto scum?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 03 2015 14:45 GMT
#1657
On December 03 2015 23:32 ObviousOne wrote:
i fucking love lists

11. scott31337 - mafia with no apprehension
6. Onegu - mafia with slight apprehension
3. TicTock - need to read again
1. Koshi - koshi, either mafia genius or mad town scientist
4. Chromatically - less strongly but strongly feel town
9. GlowingBear - strongly feel town on this
13. sicklucker - confirmed

just writing it down so i hopefully don't forget to look at tictock again when i wake up


This is a fucking weird list man

Retracting my tentative townread on you..

You afk voted Chrom yesterday and now he's top 3 town?

You have no read on me or Koshi at all, so we end up 3rd and 4th scummiest?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 03 2015 22:26 GMT
#1681
On December 04 2015 06:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 04:25 sicklucker wrote:
ok my job is done rip dont ignore the votes


SL, if people take the votes into consideration you'll realise that FF voted me. So your vote count thing isn't really a thing.

Also, just because FF flipped red it doesn't mean that the reason you've scum read him for was right. It's like that classis math exam where you have to choose option A or B and you use all the wrong formulas but choose the right option.

Anyway, go on


None of this post makes any sense.

FF did NOT vote you GB, what you smokin? (are you sharing?)
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 03 2015 22:29 GMT
#1683
Also fucking sweet we got another save, that ghost team doing work. GJ guys!

D1 was town v town just like I said and now SL brings some solid proof.

Not that it changes my PoE much.

Anyways, I have major issues with OO's last list post.

##Vote: ObviuseOne
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 03 2015 22:30 GMT
#1684
Also the D2 votes are interesting, and there is some evidence to suggest that scum piled on Sn0 to protect OO.

As always I'm also ok lynching GB.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 03 2015 22:33 GMT
#1685
EBWOP:

On December 04 2015 07:29 Tictock wrote:
Also fucking sweet we got another save, that ghost team doing work. GJ guys!

D1 was town v town just like I said and now SL brings some solid proof.

Koshi confirmed town now too, cool
. Not that it changes my PoE much.

Anyways, I have major issues with OO's last list post.

##Vote: ObviuseOne


Somehow deleted the bolded line
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 04 2015 13:07 GMT
#1710
Something tells me this is the pace things will be at today...

Yay! Day off!
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 04 2015 21:57 GMT
#1721
On December 05 2015 06:18 Onegu wrote:
You guys have any acutal questions for me to try and figure out my alignment?


Do you think this lynch on Scott is good? Will he flip mafia?

Who do we lynch tomorrow if he's not mafia?

If he is mafia, who is the last person on this team Scott, FF + ???
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 04 2015 22:44 GMT
#1725
I think I'm leaving my vote on OO.

I know there is very little chance Scott is actually town here, but my gut isn't terribly on board this lynch for some reason.

I really this this list was terrible and makes no sense, and OO has simply ignored my questions about it since everyone is focused on the scott lynch atm.

For refference:
On December 03 2015 23:45 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 23:32 ObviousOne wrote:
i fucking love lists

11. scott31337 - mafia with no apprehension
6. Onegu - mafia with slight apprehension
3. TicTock - need to read again
1. Koshi - koshi, either mafia genius or mad town scientist
4. Chromatically - less strongly but strongly feel town
9. GlowingBear - strongly feel town on this
13. sicklucker - confirmed

just writing it down so i hopefully don't forget to look at tictock again when i wake up


This is a fucking weird list man

Retracting my tentative townread on you..

You afk voted Chrom yesterday and now he's top 3 town?

You have no read on me or Koshi at all, so we end up 3rd and 4th scummiest?


I'd also like to know why OO feels so strongly about GB being town.

I know FF pushed OO on D1, but when the vote was important he voted to save OO. Besides this setup makes it pretty nice for mafia to bus, so I'm not sure that's as solid as SL made it out to be earlier.

Been rethinking the dumbtell thing too, and it's really not that hard of a move for mafia to make.

Idk maybe I'm just being silly, Scott is still a solid lynch here. This is just too easy today, and mafia should be scrambling to try and recover this game after last lynch and 2 night saves but.... nothin.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 04 2015 22:47 GMT
#1727
On December 05 2015 07:38 Onegu wrote:
questions need to be more like go read this page. What do you think?


You should be thankful I didn't post my first smartass reaction about you not doing shit and then going "why aren't you guys trying to read me?"

What do you think of OO's list post I have issues with?
On December 03 2015 23:32 ObviousOne wrote:
i fucking love lists

11. scott31337 - mafia with no apprehension
6. Onegu - mafia with slight apprehension
3. TicTock - need to read again
1. Koshi - koshi, either mafia genius or mad town scientist
4. Chromatically - less strongly but strongly feel town
9. GlowingBear - strongly feel town on this
13. sicklucker - confirmed

just writing it down so i hopefully don't forget to look at tictock again when i wake up


Why do you think he's now pushing Scott over you?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 05 2015 11:01 GMT
#1738
Ugh Scott does need to flip.

Onegu will never make an effort to make it easy to read him.

Mafia needs 2 mislynches and here we have, at least potentially, 2 perfect lynchbait.

FF not bothering to try might mean he's got 2 teammates he doesn't want to put in the effort to support.

It could also mean that he feels like his team is in such a position it doesn't really matter that he got lynched.

Also, less important, but remember the msgs ppl are sending after they get lynched/die are sent before Night/Day post. So no way FF was reacting to you not dying Koshi, he had no way of knowing that you'd get saved (or even who would be the NK target for that matter).

Anyways, I'm not going to be around for EoD most likely. This flip is actually fairly important unless we somehow manage another save (don't count on it).

Oh and WIFOM. This is the first day both Vengeful and Benevolant Spirits have voted... Yet we have Vengeful spirits before on D2 and otherwise no action from them. Any chance one of those votes (today) is FF?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 05 2015 12:33 GMT
#1740
OO/GB/FF being a team means a ton of bussing went down.

Seems pretty unlikely, but not impossible
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 05 2015 13:07 GMT
#1741
Bah Scott's filter is no help, and FF was mildly defending him for the AFK stuff.

I'm being silly, we really have to lynch Scott.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 06 2015 02:29 GMT
#1850
On December 06 2015 10:36 Onegu wrote:
the last page is koshi realizing that chrome is last mafia but wanting to confirm how bad he is a reading me.


Your suddenly very defensive...

Also sweet flip, sorry I was so waffely about it.

I'll be active tomorrow, today has been a fucking long day.

Pretty down to see Onegu flip, Scott flipping mafia makes it super likely the last member is Onegu. Still some chance GB or OO are mafia, I really doubt Chrom is the last mafia.

Onegu tomorrow, Prob OO after that, plenty of time for me to continue to tunnel GB.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 06 2015 02:39 GMT
#1853
Eh I just skimmed stuff fairly fast here on my break.

I'll read more carefully tomorrow like I said.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 06 2015 18:20 GMT
#1883
On December 06 2015 11:56 GlowingBear wrote:
The reason that it's impossible that I'm Mafia is that I wanted to vote scott (Mafia) over FF (Mafia). It doesn't make any sense to try to divert a Mafia wagon to start another one on a Mafia.

There it is. Now move on.


Still catching up, but this is BS and you know it.

Scott has been AFK all game of course you'd want to lynch him over FF and get the town cred you are now trying to take.

FF even voted Scott before he got lynched so.... Yea that vote doesn't clear you at all.

I'll admit that the little argument you and FF had over Scott shenanies is a bit odd if you two are on a team, but it's classic disassociation plays imo.

I'm still pretty sure this is not town!GB guys. OO is also pretty possible due to voting logic.

@Koshi, a lot of what you are posting about Chrom sounds like confirmation bias to me. What if FF was just sitting on the sidelines watching town!Chrom attack town!OO? It also would make sense if OO is scum, FF backed off OO as soon as he backed up that WoT he made D1 but then keeps mentioning how well Chrom is blowing OO's posts out of the water. So he's not really trying to get OO lynched but will look good if OO does flip red.

Tbh, my gut read of that situation is that the whole OO vs Chrom thing was a town V town thing that mafia was waiting to see who town sided with more.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 06 2015 18:26 GMT
#1884
On December 07 2015 03:20 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2015 11:56 GlowingBear wrote:
The reason that it's impossible that I'm Mafia is that I wanted to vote scott (Mafia) over FF (Mafia). It doesn't make any sense to try to divert a Mafia wagon to start another one on a Mafia.

There it is. Now move on.


Still catching up, but this is BS and you know it.

Scott has been AFK all game of course you'd want to lynch him over FF and get the town cred you are now trying to take.

FF even voted Scott before he got lynched so.... Yea that vote doesn't clear you at all.


Also people should recall this post. GB pretty clearly doesn't want FF to get lynched, but can't give me a reason why my vote on him is bad.

On December 02 2015 03:23 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 02:16 Tictock wrote:
On December 02 2015 01:43 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 02 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote:
On December 02 2015 01:08 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 02 2015 00:29 Tictock wrote:
Noting that GB has managed 2 pages of filter since D2 started.

Last real suggestion from him was a team of OO, Sn0 and Scott, and maybe BF.

Now suggests Scot kus we can "afford the mislynch"

Clearly a player who cares.


Clearly you're a player "tunneled" in me but does not hesitate to vote FF instead


So is it a bad vote or what?

Am I faking this tunnel on you or not?

Like what the hell man, your not doing jack shit.


And yes, it's a horrible vote, by your POV everything should point out to me being Mafia.


I don't understand.

Voting FF is bad, because I should be pushing you?


Yes

That exchange makes no sense from a townie perspective.

Also where did GB's read on Scott come from? Oh right it just suddenly appeared after we lynched Sn0 and were looking to be in LyLo very soon. Before that day GB had Scott as town for like no reason.

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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 06 2015 18:33 GMT
#1885
Plus, remember how GB pushed ppl D1?

On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, some weak early reads:

Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one.

Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game.

SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative.

Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere


Scum reads the 2 people who seem to think the FF smurf stuff was suspect.

Mafia!Scott also called GB his top Townread and sheeped him D1 even though he had earlier suggested he didn't like GB's reasoning.

Really the only thing that seems off about a GB/Scott/FF team is the exchange that FF and GB had after EoD2. I don't think it's very strong though as it's very possibly a dissacociation thing they planned for. Argue a little with your teammate over your 3rd AFK (and very likely to be lynched) partner, and suddenly the team doesn't make a lot of sense from the outside view.

Yea I think I'd very strongly consider lynching either OO or GB tomorrow.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 06 2015 18:42 GMT
#1886
Rereading what I skimmed yesturday.

This is pretty ironic.

On December 06 2015 07:33 ObviousOne wrote:
somewhere within the game i'm sure there's been someone advocating more for lynching onegu than for scott, if someone remembers or finds that post it might be a good nugget.


OO, you were pushing Onegu a ton D1 and D2, and if I recall right your D1 WoT and PoE pyramid thing had Scott on a lower teir of lynches after Onegu and BF. Never really saw you consider Scott till N3.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 06 2015 18:47 GMT
#1887
On December 06 2015 08:30 Koshi wrote:
Are you people braindead? There is no fucking reason in the world to vote chrom. Maybe try to give a couple reasons first before starting the paranoia train.
I can give a bunch of reasons why he isnt mafia. And a couple reasons why he can win when he is mafia. But I cant give reasons why he is mafia.


Man you did one hell of a 180 in a few hours Koshi.

Like honestly what is making you think he is mafia now? FF's filter having a hardon for his posts? Why can't that be attempts at pocketing?

Kus he was looking to do Shennanies near EoD? His posts about that were super fluid and thoughtful, and it makes good sense.

On December 06 2015 06:40 Chromatically wrote:
6 - 2 now

if no shenannies: 6 - 1 if scott mafia (2 more lynches) or 5 - 2 if scott town (MYLO)

5 - 1 if one town between them (two more lynches with Onegu already dead), 4 - 2 if two town (LYLO)

I think the chances of 2 town are basically nonexistant, so we basically just get a free extra kill on Onegu by doing this right?

On December 06 2015 06:41 Chromatically wrote:
we don't have auto if scott is mafia here, we still have to pick 2/3 OO Onegu GB to lynch, unless you're saying you're super confident in one of them being town

On December 06 2015 06:44 Chromatically wrote:
IF we lynch both Onegu and scott today though, then we do have auto because we can just lynch OO and GB

I don't see any reason not to do it, if scott doesn't ninja vote we just win and if he does we just lynch scott the next day (same as killing Onegu tomorrow)

it's not looking like there's enough people here right now though


That is town thinking things through, 100%.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 06 2015 18:50 GMT
#1888
On December 06 2015 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, I remember reading a particular OO's post once that made me believe he was town

I am town

Therefore all I have is Onegu and Chrom

Since I THINK Onegu is more likely to be town here, Chrom is suspicious to me (I was already thinking about this before) and it fits his play very well


This is such a shit post.

Nothing to back up any of these reads, just throwing shit out there.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 06 2015 18:51 GMT
#1889
On December 06 2015 09:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2015 09:11 Koshi wrote:
This compared to Onegu who was always here reading. Following the thread. Who has not have an original thought ever. Who DOES NOT HAVE A FUCKING TOWN META OF DOING LITERALLY NOTHING YOU DUMB MORONS, he does less, but still does things for town.

While this game he starts playing to add to the paranoia train on Chrom WITHOUT ANY FUCKING REASONS TO GIVE TOWN.




Ugh. I can't possibly be bothered to push a guy that is completely null over a guy that actually played the game and is most likely town. Just because some braindead fucks decide paranoia is bliss.


Meh

You're right

We are always lynching Onegu here.


Still has no opinion of his own... god GB.

He can't be this bad as town can he?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 06 2015 18:54 GMT
#1890
On December 06 2015 09:35 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2015 09:11 Koshi wrote:
This compared to Onegu who was always here reading. Following the thread. Who has not have an original thought ever. Who DOES NOT HAVE A FUCKING TOWN META OF DOING LITERALLY NOTHING YOU DUMB MORONS, he does less, but still does things for town.

While this game he starts playing to add to the paranoia train on Chrom WITHOUT ANY FUCKING REASONS TO GIVE TOWN.




Ugh. I can't possibly be bothered to push a guy that is completely null over a guy that actually played the game and is most likely town. Just because some braindead fucks decide paranoia is bliss.



I have done absolutely nothing as town before, but not as scum.

Also it was because I went into the hospital in the middle of this game.

Also scum can thank me for reasons I will talk about post game.

On December 06 2015 09:37 Onegu wrote:
My sig is better^


I really get a townvibe from Onegu rereading some of this stuff.

Why would mafia!Onegu spend pretty much all game antagonizing Koshi?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 06 2015 19:12 GMT
#1891
On December 06 2015 10:20 Koshi wrote:
If Chrome is fucking mafia. Imagine how good I fucking was D1 again.
I am really warming up to lynch Onegu --> Chrome.
Just because the fefe filter.

fefe talks to OO like he does to other townies.
Interaction with GB abput scott is odd, especially if they are all 3 mafia. Really unseen.
fefe didn't vote Vivax when TT was on the block.

While on the other hand:
-waffles on scott, defended him once, said he could be mafia a lot.
-ignores Onegu totally while having a fixation on the afkers
-has a boner for people who think Chrome is mafia (both Koshi and OO)


I'm on board with most of what you'r talking about here Koshi, but I think you're jumping to conclusions a bit easily.

Besides that one interaction with GB there was almost no mention of GB in FF's filter. GB did defend FF fairly hard regarding the smurf stuff early on (mostly kus he pushed anyone who thought it was scummy). Neither of them really made a read on the other nor interacted before the stuff you're talking about.

The Chrom stuff is super weak and I think your jumping on it more because of
On December 06 2015 10:20 Koshi wrote:
If Chrome is fucking mafia. Imagine how good I fucking was D1 again.

Than FF's filter.

Whats convincing you that FF isn't just fence sitting regarding OO vs Chrom? Kus to me he goes back and forth on both of them like he doesn't really care if either get lynched.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 06 2015 19:16 GMT
#1892
On December 06 2015 11:41 Koshi wrote:
It's fucking Chrom. OMG. I reread his filter and everything he said about fefe....
It just clicks together.
Fucking piece of shit Onegu not playing pisses me off so much. Still want to lynch him just because I don't want to lose vs Onegu at all. And he already pulled the solo mafia victory once.

So I am ok with lynching chrom and Onegu.


DON'T BE FUCKING TARDS AND LYNCH OO, GB unless you got some insane good reasons. Look at the filters. Look at the fucking filters.


Koshi can you elaborate more about this?

This would be more interesting to me than the stuff your bringing up from FF's filter.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 06 2015 19:23 GMT
#1893
On December 06 2015 13:58 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2015 10:07 Koshi wrote:
hahaha. There are actually pretty big clues in fefe his filter that scott was mafia with him. Kinda hilarious. Like how he tries to pressure GB for mentioning he (GB) wanted to do a shennnies on Scott.

and fefe is like: "why didn't you start saying it earlier". Like... He knew scott is mafia and is somehow using that info to make GB look worse:

On November 30 2015 07:05 ANickelDrink wrote:
On November 30 2015 07:04 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 30 2015 07:03 ANickelDrink wrote:
On November 30 2015 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
LYLO

Cool

Been calculating this already? lol


Yes

I was thinking about shennanie into scott

You were thinking about shenanigan into scott when 5 mins before deadline you waited for the main wagon to explain himself...


On November 30 2015 10:22 ANickelDrink wrote:
GB what I'm trying to ask is at what point were you considering a shenanigan on scott when you made no indication you were even goinbg to switch votes until 7 mins or some shit before deadline


There is a bit more... I really don't think GB is mafia because of this? I already didn't think it but this entire chain is really odd between 2 mafia.


i dont think mafia talks to mafia about the third mafia very often if ever. its something


It's also a really good disassociation play.

Look I know it's WIFOM and I'm tunneled on GB.

One interaction like this does make it less likely that GB is the last mafia, but it's still very possible.

If someone wants to convince me that GB is town, lets talk about how his read progression on Scott makes sense or about how his reaction to the FF wagon makes sense.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 06 2015 19:24 GMT
#1894
On December 06 2015 22:23 Koshi wrote:
And he can actually remember his scumreads, and asks others on how to proceed and try to lynch mafia, not like here in which he forgets his scumreads, and then votes with his scumreads on a person he never thought was scummy.


What are you referring to here?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 06 2015 19:30 GMT
#1895
I don't have much more time till later tonight.

If I'm still alive I'll read through Chrom's filter and see if what Koshi is pushing makes sense.

I'd really like people to either help me out of my tunnel on GB or reevaluate what it is that is making you read him as town. Actually that's probably more or less the same thing.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 06 2015 21:35 GMT
#1900
On December 07 2015 06:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow TT. I have no words for all this things you're pushing


Not surprised.

I mean, you haven't had any words for the last week so...

But the fact that he wants so much credit for that scott flip makes me like 90% sure BoringBear here is the last mafia.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 06 2015 21:35 GMT
#1901
On December 07 2015 06:33 sicklucker wrote:
ya i dont think gb should be off the hook untill i read ff's filter myself but you might have to live with the possibilty he is ticktock. this could be like your first game where you tunneled a town all game and drove me to getting banned partially


What, I'd never...
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 11 2015 22:06 GMT
#2223
GG Chrom, you fucking deserved that win.

Really piss poor town play in a lot of ways this game, I know I didn't help being so tunneled on GB but I couldn't make sense of any townie motivation from him all game.

Onegu lynch was pretty bad though guys, me and SL pointed out so many reasons why it made no sense for him to be scum this game. But with so many low hanging fruit and such terrible activity this was a rough game.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 11 2015 22:14 GMT
#2239
On December 12 2015 07:08 Koshi wrote:
Hence me yelling Chrom was mafia each and every day for 1 hour.


Problem is nobody ever did much to prove it. Sure it was a possibility but what made it more likely than OO or GB?

Yelling about it and giving out reasons and explanations why are totally different things.

It actually helped Chrom a ton that this was such a low activity game and that one of his teammates never really played. Gave us very little to look at after lynching Scott and FF in terms of association.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 11 2015 22:17 GMT
#2243
On December 12 2015 07:12 Koshi wrote:
GB bro. We should have lynched Chromie.


Blame marv and TT for making it impossible.


How did we make it impossible?

Me and marv did a shit ton of reevaluation and looking at this game in our QT.

More than town did the last 2 days of play.

But w/e Koshi you put more faith in a Vote with no idea of the mechanics behind it than your your own reads and want to blame us.

Though tbf to you you didn't really have anyone to talk too, which is why I say town played pretty shitty this game.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 11 2015 22:22 GMT
#2248
On December 12 2015 07:14 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 07:14 Tictock wrote:
On December 12 2015 07:08 Koshi wrote:
Hence me yelling Chrom was mafia each and every day for 1 hour.


Problem is nobody ever did much to prove it. Sure it was a possibility but what made it more likely than OO or GB?

Yelling about it and giving out reasons and explanations why are totally different things.

It actually helped Chrom a ton that this was such a low activity game and that one of his teammates never really played. Gave us very little to look at after lynching Scott and FF in terms of association.

Read my D1 case on him. It had 15 reasons.


To be fair I was more invested in fighting my own lynch D1.

Also I was clearly tunneled on GB pretty bad, but even then I tried to drop that for 2 days while we lynched Scum. GB just didn't have any time to play or w/e I guess so I felt like he just wasted the time I was giving him to show me he was town.

Idk, clearly it's a recurring issue for me, but I really tried to look at alternatives and get GB to interact more.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 11 2015 22:23 GMT
#2249
On December 12 2015 07:19 Koshi wrote:
Well. I am pretty obnoxious but I am not going to go after Chrom when there is marv watching the game and saying it is 100% GB.

You know.. Spirit messages and shit.


*Eyeroll*

W/e Koshi.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 11 2015 22:30 GMT
#2257
Lol.

Koshi this effort is at least an hour late.

Anyways I'm out. I'm just being an ass poking Koshi right now.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 11 2015 22:43 GMT
#2263
Yep I'm pretty bad.

I tried real hard to get as solid of a townread as I could on everyone. Pushed my scumreads as hard as I could. Fought my ass off to not get mislynched. Asked people to help me out of my tunnel if I was by reevluationg their own reads. And did my best as a ghost to commincate information, not just orders, as well as talk out our best save.

I'll make sure to change this up next time so I can be better.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 11 2015 22:54 GMT
#2264
On December 12 2015 07:42 Koshi wrote:
Like imagine I lynch Chrome D6 and it is GB after all.


I can't take that responsibility.



That's obnoxious on a level I haven't reached yet.


Actually Koshi you're right about quite a few things here.

And in a lot of ways it was my read on GB that got him lynched.

You've inspired me to make my first Sig.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 11 2015 22:57 GMT
#2265
On December 12 2015 07:54 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 07:42 Koshi wrote:
Like imagine I lynch Chrome D6 and it is GB after all.


I can't take that responsibility.



That's obnoxious on a level I haven't reached yet.


Actually Koshi you're right about quite a few things here.

And in a lot of ways it was my read on GB that got him lynched.

You've inspired me to make my first Sig.


Not even being sarcastic here, though it might seem like it.

Maybe a touch ironic though...
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 12 2015 01:14 GMT
#2277
I took a sec to poke through Onegu's filter.

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 25 2015 15:16 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2015 14:31 ObviousOne wrote:
On November 25 2015 14:14 Onegu wrote:
VT Claim

Is that a Koshi specific thing? Details?



No I am just claiming VT.

Have something to talk about post game. Wont bring it up now.

I am on side FF looks worse for outing his smurf so early...

On November 26 2015 21:31 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2015 01:19 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 26 2015 01:14 Onegu wrote:
I figured out you guys need to ask me stuff. I am not really good at seeing things on my own but if you are like, Onegu what do you think about _______? I will look it up and give you a answer.+


Onegu what do you think about what I've said on Tictock and what Chrom said about OO?

Also, would you rather milk a cow or let a cow milk you?




Your tictock read seems fine.

Chrome jumping on OO for the role hunting thing is fairly shit. Why is that something mafia would jump on. I dont think that makes any more sense.


More questions plz.

On November 30 2015 02:38 Onegu wrote:
OK want to get this down.

Scum reads as of page 38

Chrome. TT. Sn0. Out of all of these Chrome is giving me the bigger heebie jeebies.


GB vivax unvote is really fucking wierd...

On December 06 2015 07:07 Onegu wrote:
Chrome is last mafia. Onegu has figured out the game. You are welcome.

On December 06 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote:
He hasnt conceded because he thinks he can get lynches on me and OO. But he is final scum 90%



Dude, you actually hit on all the right shit all game. I'm highly impressed.

...

Might need to listen to Onegu more...

...
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 12 2015 18:48 GMT
#2299
On December 13 2015 01:10 GlowingBear wrote:
Please help me understanding what I did that made me look so fucking scummy


- Read progression on Scott and FF was a bit wierd
-Seemed like you were attacking people for reading FF as scum, or thinking it based on the Smurf thing
-The way you were going back onto me EoD1, with all the "I wanna be right" and "Give me my lynch"
-Way you reacted to the FF wagon
-Dropped off heavily after D1, never really seemed like you cared after that
-Wanted us to think you helping lynch Scott proved you were town (It never does in that situation)
-Reads in LyLo seemed like you were most suspicious of Chrom but didn't really have reasons nor did you push very hard and it didn't seem like you cared who got lynched (besides yourself)


In short, there were a few things that looked like associations with Scott and FF plus the fact that you dropped off really hard about the time we started lynching Scum.
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