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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 14 2015 21:49 GMT
#3061
On November 15 2015 06:18 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2015 04:08 Rels wrote:
On November 15 2015 01:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Well it should be obvious to everyone else, but just in case, purposely leaving myself off, I would propose the following teams if I was leader.

Team of 4: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey (Shockey is switchable for Coag depending on how people feel)
Team of 5: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey/Coagulation

I strongly feel that rayn was town, but if people have had doubts on him respective of his voting record, I am confident in the other four.

I have nothing to hide.

Vivax is not here and this is the last time I'm here before getting insanely drunk so let's go with that. No SL though.
##Nominate Artanis/Vivax/HTS/Shockey


This goes so far against Rel's reads all game long that it seems like he wants a re-do on the previous team or something.


well if rels is mafia (he probably ) then hes not gonna go. well you got me guys! hes gonna try to position himself to get on the 5th mission
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 14 2015 21:50 GMT
#3062
On mobile, bear with me please.

On November 15 2015 05:36 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2015 04:08 Rels wrote:
On November 15 2015 01:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Well it should be obvious to everyone else, but just in case, purposely leaving myself off, I would propose the following teams if I was leader.

Team of 4: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey (Shockey is switchable for Coag depending on how people feel)
Team of 5: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey/Coagulation

I strongly feel that rayn was town, but if people have had doubts on him respective of his voting record, I am confident in the other four.

I have nothing to hide.

Vivax is not here and this is the last time I'm here before getting insanely drunk so let's go with that. No SL though.
##Nominate Artanis/Vivax/HTS/Shockey


im pretty sure im vivax's strongest townread now and its very logical. Do you live in paris?


The answer to that question is yes, we've chatted out of game

Aside, overall I feel this is a WIFOM attempt to (perhaps?) eventually get on someone's team and eventually fail a mission.

I will explain why in his world, this proposal does not make sense from town side.
(All references at bottom of post so you can see context and judge for yourselves.)

From town side.

Rels was hard scumreading Artanis and in his world one of Artanis or myself has to be mafia. He is proposing a team with both of us on it.

He was asking me multiple times (well at least once I know I recall) why I was townreading Artanis. He concluded that one of us has to be scum. Now? He places both of us on the team.

Second he hard townreads rayn. Now? He leaves him off. Not as sharp as the first point, but quite curious given prior reads.

Furthermore he pushes the line that it's not possible that two scums voted no, and then Artanis and I having both voted yes, he puts us both up. (I don't believe I misunderstood this.)

What changed? (of course, when you can answer, I understand obv not right away)

Overall, ironically the team he's put up is a clean team, but seeing as town have to get three missions passed to win and scum only need to fail one more, I have a strong sense of WIFOM/disassociation/tinfoil/whatever you want to call it about so another scummer (or him?) can slip through on a later mission (Kita's or someone else slipping up).

Follow the read progression folks.

References:
1 Scumreading Artanis v myself
Rels' filter page 20/thread page 127-128 (posts 2540/2552)
Rels' filter page 21/thread pages 129 on and off through 138 (posts 2572, 2638, 2639, 2640, 2654, 2667, 2758)
Rels' filter page 22/thread page 139 (posts 2766)
- trying to convince Artanis he's scum)

2 Townread of rayn
Rels' filter page 22/thread page 139-140 (post 2769/2773/2775/2777/2779/2782/2783)
- Artanis' post on familiarity is valid as Rels has played 3 games with rayn (SOTW, Newbie 13, Drams) at least 2 he was abrasive, warned in Drams (which rayn admitted to).

3 Rels pushing the two scums voting no line
Rels' filter page 23/thread page 143 (post 2844)
- he was pushing that well before that page before but that was the latest he was pushing that idea
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 14 2015 21:52 GMT
#3063
Apologies if this format is shit - the links won't copy on evernote (wtf???), but hopefully those post references will be enough to see what I'm talking about. If it's still not clear what I'm talking about, then let me know. I'm not going to be on a PC again though until well after this deadline.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 21:54 GMT
#3064
Yeah, for once we can agree........... It makes little sense. Could be some WIFOM / reaction test type of thing I guess.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 14 2015 22:26 GMT
#3065
we should all vote no to this and see who votes yes. ill put up pretty much the same team next anyway. more info the better and artanis can still be scum. Dont say you agree if you agree ill vote no
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 14 2015 22:26 GMT
#3066
On November 15 2015 06:49 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2015 06:18 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 15 2015 04:08 Rels wrote:
On November 15 2015 01:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Well it should be obvious to everyone else, but just in case, purposely leaving myself off, I would propose the following teams if I was leader.

Team of 4: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey (Shockey is switchable for Coag depending on how people feel)
Team of 5: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey/Coagulation

I strongly feel that rayn was town, but if people have had doubts on him respective of his voting record, I am confident in the other four.

I have nothing to hide.

Vivax is not here and this is the last time I'm here before getting insanely drunk so let's go with that. No SL though.
##Nominate Artanis/Vivax/HTS/Shockey


This goes so far against Rel's reads all game long that it seems like he wants a re-do on the previous team or something.


well if rels is mafia (he probably ) then hes not gonna go. well you got me guys! hes gonna try to position himself to get on the 5th mission


Are you scared of Artanis/myself because of tinfoil/voting record or something else?

If it's voting record, read my explanations right after the voting passed for the mission 2 team plus my last explanation to Xatalos (post 3032/3044) and let me know if you still have a problem with me at least.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 14 2015 22:28 GMT
#3067
On November 15 2015 07:26 sicklucker wrote:
we should all vote no to this and see who votes yes. ill put up pretty much the same team next anyway. more info the better and artanis can still be scum. Dont say you agree if you agree ill vote no


I will be very honest, I really feel this team is clean.

But if you want me to downvote this team, I can. I definitely trust you and Vivax and that will put the 5th mission in my hands (assuming we all downvote whatever Kita puts up) so I can go either way on this.

I can also do one final check on Artanis as well prior to upvoting.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 14 2015 22:28 GMT
#3068
more of art/rels because rels was willing to include him even tho he was not in the original team yesterday. does that team make anysense?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 14 2015 22:29 GMT
#3069
Like if rels is scum hes probably gonna try to put up his partner if he can get away with it. right?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 14 2015 22:31 GMT
#3070
Like i just want more information. please dont prevote like me I just had to because if im the only no vote it will probably pass. If the info gained favors artanis ill probably put him up myself
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 14 2015 22:31 GMT
#3071
I don't know what you mean by "don't say you'll agree/if you agree"

But if it is trust you need me to resolve and you're tinfoiling me, then I'll downvote it for you. I think that might be the issue here.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 14 2015 22:32 GMT
#3072
On November 15 2015 07:31 sicklucker wrote:
Like i just want more information. please dont prevote like me I just had to because if im the only no vote it will probably pass. If the info gained favors artanis ill probably put him up myself


Alright, fair enough. I can accept this.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
November 14 2015 22:59 GMT
#3073
Rels has nominated:

##Nominate Artanis/Vivax/HTS/Shockey

24 hour vote.

Will pretty up post when I get a chance.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
November 14 2015 23:57 GMT
#3074
Just looks like a wifom suggestion to me. Basically a scumclaim, especially from someone who gave me shit for giving a fake/reaction test suggestion.

I can vote either way really. I still think the team's clean and he's just trying to wifom, but a good team will probably come up soon anyway.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 15 2015 05:26 GMT
#3075
im gonna vote no on this.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 15 2015 09:53 GMT
#3076
While reading some earlier parts of the game yesterday I started doubting my Shockey townread, but him being spy would be kinda incompatible with the no votes.

He has these brash parts of his filter where he does what the fuck he wants which is kinda townie, but then there are also parts, especially at the start of the game, where I feel like he's going after people for bad reasons.

It's so tough to read new players.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 15 2015 11:43 GMT
#3077
Good news folks. I'm doing a palmaresque backwards reread of the game and currently think that rayn was probably the mafia messing with every mission.

Check this out, it's around the mission Xata issued.

Pre-mission-pass:

On November 05 2015 10:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck you are so town sl.


On November 05 2015 11:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 11:18 sicklucker wrote:
im gonna be so salty if sicklucker pockets me



Post-mission-pass:

On November 06 2015 09:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Haha^^

GJ town game is gg.


On November 07 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I never pushed SL to be on the mission.


As you see, he actually believes the mission passes, then he comes back and realizes that everyone else has another opinion and immediately defends himself from the notion that he wanted SL on a mission. That doesn't add up

Paying more attention to the way he talks to Rels pre-mission, it looks to me like he gets angry to have an excuse to leave. Pushes scum on Shockey and Rels, but especially on Rels.

Will post more as I keep on reading.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 15 2015 11:50 GMT
#3078
Maybe Shockey was the town hero nobody acknowledged. The rainman of mafia
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 15 2015 12:08 GMT
#3079
Anyway Xatalos is town.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 15 2015 12:23 GMT
#3080
I might need a replacement. My time atmp is all used up :/
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