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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 11:59 GMT
#281
On November 02 2015 20:56 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 20:55 Xatalos wrote:
On November 02 2015 20:52 Superbia wrote:
On November 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia FYI Xatalos has not played forum Resistance.


...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push.

Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far.


Yeah I was town and got shot eventually. Why does that make me townie?


Your posting style and activity level seems similar to that game. Mind you that I've read/skimmed maybe 7-8 pages, so I'm not confident enough to give you a lot of townie-points.


Okay, that makes sense.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2015 11:59 GMT
#282
On November 02 2015 20:58 Superbia wrote:
What do you think of my point on Rels, rayn?

I didn't actually consider that from that point of view at first but yeah, it makes a lot of sense.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 12:03 GMT
#283
Btw rayn, you didn't respond to my earlier question about your description of the debate between me and Superbia?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2015 12:08 GMT
#284
On November 02 2015 19:52 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can really easily see where Superbia is coming from.
Xatalos made a claim that the game is "nightmare" for scum, and when Superbia questioned him about it the "nightmare" became "somewhat anti-scum", which definitely is not "nightmare" in my opinion aswell.

Now i don't think that necessarily makes Xatalos scum, but it makes perfect sense for Superbia to scumread him for that.


He didn't even scumread me for that though...... But for the initial post (???) and dropped the scumread to "mild" after my response... That's how I understood it anyway. So basically, the other way around compared to how you described it.

If you mean this I thought that Superbia called you scum for something you did that he found out to be scummy (which was the case). I also thought that he later on basically wanted you to prove yourself wrong and kept on questioning you for the "nightmare". I do that a lot myself. For example my question to kitaman at the start of the game is purely a loaded question.

I guess i was wrong about the follow up but his explanation is even more townier than what i thought he'd say is.
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 02 2015 12:10 GMT
#285
On November 02 2015 20:53 Superbia wrote:
HtS needs to be here soon and be transparent with the selection of team-members.


I have skimmed the thread but when I actually get to the airport and past security, I will comment more in detail. Ill timing for me I know (on the back of a getaway with the husband) but I still have ~9h to be productive.

From skimming the thread, Superbia will likely be one of my team members.

Artanis/SL are null. Will almost certainly be leaving Kita off.

After I clear security, I'm going to read more closely into Xata, Rels, Rayn (and the specific objections).

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 02 2015 12:11 GMT
#286
EBWOP - Will at the airport in about an hour.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 12:17 GMT
#287
On November 02 2015 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 19:52 Xatalos wrote:
On November 02 2015 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can really easily see where Superbia is coming from.
Xatalos made a claim that the game is "nightmare" for scum, and when Superbia questioned him about it the "nightmare" became "somewhat anti-scum", which definitely is not "nightmare" in my opinion aswell.

Now i don't think that necessarily makes Xatalos scum, but it makes perfect sense for Superbia to scumread him for that.


He didn't even scumread me for that though...... But for the initial post (???) and dropped the scumread to "mild" after my response... That's how I understood it anyway. So basically, the other way around compared to how you described it.

If you mean this I thought that Superbia called you scum for something you did that he found out to be scummy (which was the case). I also thought that he later on basically wanted you to prove yourself wrong and kept on questioning you for the "nightmare". I do that a lot myself. For example my question to kitaman at the start of the game is purely a loaded question.

I guess i was wrong about the follow up but his explanation is even more townier than what i thought he'd say is.


Hm... I guess so. I liked Superbia's recent post too. I just found it a bit odd that you so easily townread him with the wrong description of how it went, like you had decided to townread him and then carelessly read the posts themselves.

Just in case, I'll say that that's not a declaration of war Just idle thoughts.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2015 12:18 GMT
#288
I think you should try to find two townreads besides Superbia if you think that's possible when you have read everything closely.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2015 12:19 GMT
#289
On November 02 2015 21:17 Xatalos wrote:
Hm... I guess so. I liked Superbia's recent post too. I just found it a bit odd that you so easily townread him with the wrong description of how it went, like you had decided to townread him and then carelessly read the posts themselves.

Well that's up to you to decide.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 12:20 GMT
#290
On November 02 2015 21:10 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 20:53 Superbia wrote:
HtS needs to be here soon and be transparent with the selection of team-members.


I have skimmed the thread but when I actually get to the airport and past security, I will comment more in detail. Ill timing for me I know (on the back of a getaway with the husband) but I still have ~9h to be productive.

From skimming the thread, Superbia will likely be one of my team members.

Artanis/SL are null. Will almost certainly be leaving Kita off.

After I clear security, I'm going to read more closely into Xata, Rels, Rayn (and the specific objections).



Why Superbia? Overall would be nice to hear reasoning for each pick / non-pick.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 12:25 GMT
#291
On November 02 2015 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 21:17 Xatalos wrote:
Hm... I guess so. I liked Superbia's recent post too. I just found it a bit odd that you so easily townread him with the wrong description of how it went, like you had decided to townread him and then carelessly read the posts themselves.

Well that's up to you to decide.


Yes it is

It's basically the only crack in your filter, which is otherwise almost unbelievably constructive / leader-like. I hope it's nothing but a simple mistake and that you're genuinely taken this reasonable attitude.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2015 12:26 GMT
#292
It's not a mistake rofl.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 12:35 GMT
#293
Well, you did say that Superbia scumread me for "weakening" my stance on this being a "nightmare for scum", but actually he scumread me for my first post... And semi-dropped it when I explained my stance, where you said his scumread started.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2015 12:41 GMT
#294
Ahh okay.. I guess i didn't explain that clearly enough at first. I am also referring to this:
On November 02 2015 20:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 20:38 Xatalos wrote:
On November 02 2015 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 02 2015 19:55 Xatalos wrote:
So I'm just a bit confused at the townread.

I just felt like it was a needlessly aggressive attack for something non-telling. Basically, scumreading me for the sake of scumreading me. Can't say I like the way he went about it.

Ehh... why does he do that as mafia?


To cast suspicion on me and remove me from teams maybe?

Why would he make me a "long-term scumread" (implying it won't change no matter what I do) based on one pretty neutral post as town?

Because people say stuff too hastily. You also do that, i do that. Many people do that.
That doesn't change the fact that it's easy to see where he is coming from if you think about it from his perspective.

I did think he considered you scum at first. I was basically replying to you since you said why the "read change" didn't make sense in your opinion.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2015 12:41 GMT
#295
Or like that was your (and Rels') argument on him being scum.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 12:47 GMT
#296
Hm... Not sure where I said something about a "read change"?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 12:48 GMT
#297
Maybe Rels...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2015 12:49 GMT
#298
At least Rels said so. He even left out the original post out of his post about Superbia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 02 2015 12:50 GMT
#299
Yeah you are right you didn't. I somehow thought you and Rels said the same thing about him which you didn't.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 12:54 GMT
#300
Oh, I see. That was in response to Rels, not to me.

Although it's still misrepresenting why Superbia scumread me (it had nothing to do with how my stance on the balance "changed" - it didn't really even change though, I just explained it in more detail). It slightly irks me how you defended Superbia by putting... words in his mouth? If you get what I mean.

Meh, it's probably not indicative of anything. (I hope )
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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