• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:06
CET 14:06
KST 22:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly0Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win62025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION3Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams12
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four
Tourneys
$3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4 SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Kirktown Chat Brawl #9 $50 8:30PM EST
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review Ladder Map Matchup Stats Map pack for 3v3/4v4/FFA games BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION [ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck? Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Big Reveal
Peanutsc
Challenge: Maths isn't all…
Hildegard
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1411 users

[T][M] Resistance V - Section 31 - Page 15

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 13 14 15 16 17 170 Next
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 11:59 GMT
#281
On November 02 2015 20:56 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 20:55 Xatalos wrote:
On November 02 2015 20:52 Superbia wrote:
On November 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia FYI Xatalos has not played forum Resistance.


...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push.

Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far.


Yeah I was town and got shot eventually. Why does that make me townie?


Your posting style and activity level seems similar to that game. Mind you that I've read/skimmed maybe 7-8 pages, so I'm not confident enough to give you a lot of townie-points.


Okay, that makes sense.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 11:59 GMT
#282
On November 02 2015 20:58 Superbia wrote:
What do you think of my point on Rels, rayn?

I didn't actually consider that from that point of view at first but yeah, it makes a lot of sense.
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 12:03 GMT
#283
Btw rayn, you didn't respond to my earlier question about your description of the debate between me and Superbia?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 12:08 GMT
#284
On November 02 2015 19:52 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can really easily see where Superbia is coming from.
Xatalos made a claim that the game is "nightmare" for scum, and when Superbia questioned him about it the "nightmare" became "somewhat anti-scum", which definitely is not "nightmare" in my opinion aswell.

Now i don't think that necessarily makes Xatalos scum, but it makes perfect sense for Superbia to scumread him for that.


He didn't even scumread me for that though...... But for the initial post (???) and dropped the scumread to "mild" after my response... That's how I understood it anyway. So basically, the other way around compared to how you described it.

If you mean this I thought that Superbia called you scum for something you did that he found out to be scummy (which was the case). I also thought that he later on basically wanted you to prove yourself wrong and kept on questioning you for the "nightmare". I do that a lot myself. For example my question to kitaman at the start of the game is purely a loaded question.

I guess i was wrong about the follow up but his explanation is even more townier than what i thought he'd say is.
table for two on a tv tray
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 02 2015 12:10 GMT
#285
On November 02 2015 20:53 Superbia wrote:
HtS needs to be here soon and be transparent with the selection of team-members.


I have skimmed the thread but when I actually get to the airport and past security, I will comment more in detail. Ill timing for me I know (on the back of a getaway with the husband) but I still have ~9h to be productive.

From skimming the thread, Superbia will likely be one of my team members.

Artanis/SL are null. Will almost certainly be leaving Kita off.

After I clear security, I'm going to read more closely into Xata, Rels, Rayn (and the specific objections).

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 02 2015 12:11 GMT
#286
EBWOP - Will at the airport in about an hour.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 12:17 GMT
#287
On November 02 2015 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 19:52 Xatalos wrote:
On November 02 2015 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can really easily see where Superbia is coming from.
Xatalos made a claim that the game is "nightmare" for scum, and when Superbia questioned him about it the "nightmare" became "somewhat anti-scum", which definitely is not "nightmare" in my opinion aswell.

Now i don't think that necessarily makes Xatalos scum, but it makes perfect sense for Superbia to scumread him for that.


He didn't even scumread me for that though...... But for the initial post (???) and dropped the scumread to "mild" after my response... That's how I understood it anyway. So basically, the other way around compared to how you described it.

If you mean this I thought that Superbia called you scum for something you did that he found out to be scummy (which was the case). I also thought that he later on basically wanted you to prove yourself wrong and kept on questioning you for the "nightmare". I do that a lot myself. For example my question to kitaman at the start of the game is purely a loaded question.

I guess i was wrong about the follow up but his explanation is even more townier than what i thought he'd say is.


Hm... I guess so. I liked Superbia's recent post too. I just found it a bit odd that you so easily townread him with the wrong description of how it went, like you had decided to townread him and then carelessly read the posts themselves.

Just in case, I'll say that that's not a declaration of war Just idle thoughts.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 12:18 GMT
#288
I think you should try to find two townreads besides Superbia if you think that's possible when you have read everything closely.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 12:19 GMT
#289
On November 02 2015 21:17 Xatalos wrote:
Hm... I guess so. I liked Superbia's recent post too. I just found it a bit odd that you so easily townread him with the wrong description of how it went, like you had decided to townread him and then carelessly read the posts themselves.

Well that's up to you to decide.
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 12:20 GMT
#290
On November 02 2015 21:10 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 20:53 Superbia wrote:
HtS needs to be here soon and be transparent with the selection of team-members.


I have skimmed the thread but when I actually get to the airport and past security, I will comment more in detail. Ill timing for me I know (on the back of a getaway with the husband) but I still have ~9h to be productive.

From skimming the thread, Superbia will likely be one of my team members.

Artanis/SL are null. Will almost certainly be leaving Kita off.

After I clear security, I'm going to read more closely into Xata, Rels, Rayn (and the specific objections).



Why Superbia? Overall would be nice to hear reasoning for each pick / non-pick.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 12:25 GMT
#291
On November 02 2015 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 21:17 Xatalos wrote:
Hm... I guess so. I liked Superbia's recent post too. I just found it a bit odd that you so easily townread him with the wrong description of how it went, like you had decided to townread him and then carelessly read the posts themselves.

Well that's up to you to decide.


Yes it is

It's basically the only crack in your filter, which is otherwise almost unbelievably constructive / leader-like. I hope it's nothing but a simple mistake and that you're genuinely taken this reasonable attitude.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 12:26 GMT
#292
It's not a mistake rofl.
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 12:35 GMT
#293
Well, you did say that Superbia scumread me for "weakening" my stance on this being a "nightmare for scum", but actually he scumread me for my first post... And semi-dropped it when I explained my stance, where you said his scumread started.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 12:41 GMT
#294
Ahh okay.. I guess i didn't explain that clearly enough at first. I am also referring to this:
On November 02 2015 20:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 20:38 Xatalos wrote:
On November 02 2015 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 02 2015 19:55 Xatalos wrote:
So I'm just a bit confused at the townread.

I just felt like it was a needlessly aggressive attack for something non-telling. Basically, scumreading me for the sake of scumreading me. Can't say I like the way he went about it.

Ehh... why does he do that as mafia?


To cast suspicion on me and remove me from teams maybe?

Why would he make me a "long-term scumread" (implying it won't change no matter what I do) based on one pretty neutral post as town?

Because people say stuff too hastily. You also do that, i do that. Many people do that.
That doesn't change the fact that it's easy to see where he is coming from if you think about it from his perspective.

I did think he considered you scum at first. I was basically replying to you since you said why the "read change" didn't make sense in your opinion.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 12:41 GMT
#295
Or like that was your (and Rels') argument on him being scum.
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 12:47 GMT
#296
Hm... Not sure where I said something about a "read change"?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 12:48 GMT
#297
Maybe Rels...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 12:49 GMT
#298
At least Rels said so. He even left out the original post out of his post about Superbia.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 12:50 GMT
#299
Yeah you are right you didn't. I somehow thought you and Rels said the same thing about him which you didn't.
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 12:54 GMT
#300
Oh, I see. That was in response to Rels, not to me.

Although it's still misrepresenting why Superbia scumread me (it had nothing to do with how my stance on the balance "changed" - it didn't really even change though, I just explained it in more detail). It slightly irks me how you defended Superbia by putting... words in his mouth? If you get what I mean.

Meh, it's probably not indicative of anything. (I hope )
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Prev 1 13 14 15 16 17 170 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
12:00
#58
WardiTV667
OGKoka 358
Rex99
IntoTheiNu 23
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 358
Lowko227
Rex 99
MindelVK 33
StarCraft: Brood War
firebathero 1368
actioN 782
Mini 505
Rush 290
PianO 126
Barracks 98
Mong 72
Sharp 61
Sea.KH 58
hero 36
[ Show more ]
HiyA 21
Icarus 17
soO 16
Sacsri 13
Terrorterran 10
Dota 2
XcaliburYe145
qojqva2
Counter-Strike
zeus727
x6flipin485
oskar57
Other Games
singsing1698
B2W.Neo1215
crisheroes329
Hui .235
Sick227
Liquid`LucifroN186
hiko87
QueenE32
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick462
Counter-Strike
PGL187
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 10
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos3365
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
3h 54m
Replay Cast
9h 54m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
20h 54m
WardiTV Korean Royale
22h 54m
LAN Event
1d 1h
Replay Cast
1d 19h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 22h
LAN Event
2 days
OSC
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
[ Show More ]
LAN Event
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
LAN Event
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
LAN Event
5 days
IPSL
5 days
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
LAN Event
6 days
IPSL
6 days
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.