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Xatalos
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On November 02 2015 18:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I got my yellow cord in capoeira yesterday. Skipped white-yellow so I did much better than expected  Gratz, I also got a green belt in karate (shukokai) quite a while ago | ||
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Xatalos
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On November 02 2015 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can really easily see where Superbia is coming from. Xatalos made a claim that the game is "nightmare" for scum, and when Superbia questioned him about it the "nightmare" became "somewhat anti-scum", which definitely is not "nightmare" in my opinion aswell. Now i don't think that necessarily makes Xatalos scum, but it makes perfect sense for Superbia to scumread him for that. He didn't even scumread me for that though...... But for the initial post (???) and dropped the scumread to "mild" after my response... That's how I understood it anyway. So basically, the other way around compared to how you described it. | ||
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Xatalos
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I just felt like it was a needlessly aggressive attack for something non-telling. Basically, scumreading me for the sake of scumreading me. Can't say I like the way he went about it. | ||
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Xatalos
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On November 02 2015 18:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I wouldn't in this game. Ah, I see what you're referring to  | ||
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Xatalos
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On November 02 2015 18:33 Rels wrote: Easy. Just have to not include him the first team, and if it doesn't go through, vote no when he's leader tomorrow. :/ I guess you're referring to my town/scum activity? Well, it's not a bad point really. Just a bit sad if you exclude me until late for that. I think this meta-case on rayn is pretty excessive too. Wouldn't he want to avoid making dumb questions as either alignment if he hates them? The only thing bothering me really is his weird interpretation of the talks between me and Superbia. Overall I think Kita could be scum so far (overly detached and disinterested in the discussion). Maybe Superbia? His attack on me was pretty odd. I'll refrain from judging rayn hastily this time around so he can be null. Rels seemed okay on activity and focus on interaction, town? Artanis and SL basically didn't do anything yet so null. | ||
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Xatalos
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 02 2015 19:55 Xatalos wrote: So I'm just a bit confused at the townread. I just felt like it was a needlessly aggressive attack for something non-telling. Basically, scumreading me for the sake of scumreading me. Can't say I like the way he went about it. Ehh... why does he do that as mafia? | ||
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Xatalos
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On November 02 2015 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ehh... why does he do that as mafia? To cast suspicion on me and remove me from teams maybe? Why would he make me a "long-term scumread" (implying it won't change no matter what I do) based on one pretty neutral post as town? | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
1. It distances you from "scum". 2. It downplays scum. 1. Is NAI. 2 is super weird from a town perspective, and leans me more towards mafia. I feel like if you were town and believed this you would've focused on the strength of town, rather than the weakness of mafia, and as a result, would've said something along the lines of "mafia gonna get #rekt #noqt" (or something less trolly). Regardless I feel like commenting on how "weak" mafia is is mafia indicative as it sets up for a lax game. Now I already had a very real suspicion that you knew that this set up is not a "nightmare" for scum, as you have played resistance(/avalon) before (noted by you correctly associating my merlin comment with avalon). So that double begs the question why you felt the need to point out that mafia was "weak". I also understand that there is no resolving this situation regardless of your alignment. We can't talk this shit out- since it my suspicion and your possibly-innocent post. I am going, however, going to be suspicious of you. Unfairly? Maybe. But we'll see how your day plays out. So far I don't really like how you've been soft-pushing my push on you. But that may be biased of me. On the topic of rayn&rels: I loved rayn's initial post of calling me town, this is exactly the type of opening I would expect out of town-rayn. I would love to hear some more depth behind his meta-read on Xat. But so far rayn is leaning town. Rels I don't know about. Feels weird that he is literally postponing a read (and not evaluating him at all) on Xat until d3 or whatever (This is something I have done as scum before). The fact that he is also comfortable evaluating people (me, and partially rayn- although I understand rayn) based on interactions with xat feels scummy. In fact, re-reading the order in which this happens makes me like him less and less. He starts off by going fairly aggressive against my side of the (now infamous) Xat/Super debacle, without giving an opinion on Xat. The fact that I'm nitpicking (your words) against Xat should be NAI, unless you have a town-read on Xat (which you don't). This is highlighted by the fact that if Xat were mafia in this instance, this type of pressure could make me look town, but since you shouldn't know Xat's alignment, you also shouldn't be able to voice a proper opinion on this. You then LATER say that Xat's alignment will become obvious later during the game (also scummy-esque). So, Rels probably has TMI, and should never be included in any team. | ||
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Superbia
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I usually start off with lots of big town-reads, not sure where the rest of town is this game lol. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 02 2015 20:38 Xatalos wrote: To cast suspicion on me and remove me from teams maybe? Why would he make me a "long-term scumread" (implying it won't change no matter what I do) based on one pretty neutral post as town? Because people say stuff too hastily. You also do that, i do that. Many people do that. That doesn't change the fact that it's easy to see where he is coming from if you think about it from his perspective. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Xatalos
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Superbia ++, Rels -- | ||
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Superbia
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On November 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Superbia FYI Xatalos has not played forum Resistance. ...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push. Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far. | ||
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Xatalos
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Superbia
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Xatalos
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On November 02 2015 20:52 Superbia wrote: ...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push. Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far. Yeah I was town and got shot eventually. Why does that make me townie? | ||
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Superbia
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On November 02 2015 20:55 Xatalos wrote: Yeah I was town and got shot eventually. Why does that make me townie? Your posting style and activity level seems similar to that game. Mind you that I've read/skimmed maybe 7-8 pages, so I'm not confident enough to give you a lot of townie-points. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On November 02 2015 20:52 Superbia wrote: ...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push. Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far. Well it is a fact that forum Resistance is harder for scum than IRL/voice is just for the fact that here you can actually go back and look at the stuff people have said to confirm certain things, you don't have to remember everything. That doesn't mean the game is town-sided (i actually think voice/irl resistance is scumsided) for sure, but if you have played voice/irl and consider the game balanced then it's only logical you here think the game is townsided. So like, while i see where you are coming from -- there is nothing scummy in what he said, because for him it makes logically sense. And yes he was town there. | ||
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Superbia
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