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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 13 2015 14:44 GMT
#2821
On November 13 2015 23:39 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2015 23:33 Half the Sky wrote:
I was trying to look into Kitaman as well to be honest. Because the way it's looking right now, I might have been wrong here - Vivax is looking more town and Kita not so much.

That last thing by rayn shows something potentially fabricated by Kita and even if I cannot stand the former's way of working with people, his nitpickiness does ferret out key things like this.


You're really starting to become difficult to deal with, which is problematic considering that I want to town read you. Please lets not go through another Aperature



Like I told Rels, ignore post #2801. I'm reading the thread and 2 filters at once.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 13 2015 14:44 GMT
#2822
On November 13 2015 23:42 sicklucker wrote:
Because voting yes day 1 did not line up with your reads...

But it does according to this chart made during D1: two townreads + 1 nullread. Can't remember if it was made before the nomination ended or after but it was around that period. So I don't see anything that would make you go "OH RELS VOTING YES WOULD SCREW YOU HERE" in that chart
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 13 2015 14:45 GMT
#2823
Alright, now I gotta do work. Will be back.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 13 2015 14:46 GMT
#2824
Like i dont really remember or care what your day one reads were since your probably scum and im never putting you on a team anyway in 1000 years. All i remembered was you scum read me ryan or both at the end and had no excuse to vote yes. It was also kind of expected to pass anyway
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 13 2015 14:48 GMT
#2825
On November 13 2015 23:46 sicklucker wrote:
Like i dont really remember or care what your day one reads were since your probably scum and im never putting you on a team anyway in 1000 years. All i remembered was you scum read me ryan or both at the end and had no excuse to vote yes. It was also kind of expected to pass anyway

Yeah so:
- you dug (I suppose it's spelled like that ?) out a chart to prove your point
- the chart proved the opposite (that I could vote YES if I wanted to)
- you posted your theory anyway
It doens't make sense.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 13 2015 14:48 GMT
#2826
NICE TRY THOUGH
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 13 2015 14:50 GMT
#2827
Forgot to copy/paste for reference - this might be a good post as well to re-examine Kita when I return....

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497443-resistance-v-section-31?page=51#1018

so rayn was the other saying Kita didn't have concrete reads, need to match up with Personality when I return.

Now I'm off.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 13 2015 14:54 GMT
#2828
On November 13 2015 22:27 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2015 08:04 Vivax wrote:
Actually I want to take this to a new level kita, cause just as I realized while checking if you posted any teams, I also realized there's little point in calling people mafia if you can't start pushing preferred teams and making compromises with others (which is what you have been lacking).

Mention a team of people you would accept being sent, cause there's little point in me just calling you mafia if what we're discussing isn't a team with you on it.


Show nested quote +
On November 13 2015 08:08 Vivax wrote:
Cause one particular thing about this game is that mafia has an easier time just creating scum combinations and being "whatevs" if anyone of the spies outside of that team makes it (cause then they will just vote yes with a short term justification whenever one of them makes it into the team).

Which is what you have been doing contrary to other people who actually propose teams of townreads, not scumreads.


These are actually really good posts. (#2714/2715)


Why? They aren't even true statements.

He says I'm providing scum reads instead of town reads. Well first off, I'm directly stated that I think rayn and Rels are town and you can easily infer that I want myself nominated so there is no way to interpret that otherwise. When shockeyy was around, I directly addressed him three different times (requesting the removal of Vivax, questioning the inclusion of Artanis, and suggesting alternatives to form my prefered team). I've expressed multiple times my read on Rels. Secondly, of course I'm looking for scum reads. How is this possibly a bad thing? You can't have one without the other at this point.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 13 2015 15:40 GMT
#2829
On November 13 2015 16:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Wait, I answered all your questions, you apparently didn't have any more yet now I'm basically confirmed scum to you? Explain yourself.


  • You push suspicion on shockeyy when he questions Rels about the rayn read making a generic statement, rather than considering that he is simply trying to understand the discrepancy.

  • You seem disinterested on day one, requiring people to actually pose questions to you on multiple occasions, rather than taking initiative. You don't provide much input at all regarding nominations on day one, despite your chart suggesting that you have a read on every player.

  • Your interaction with Xatalos regarding the day one nomination is very scummy. He asks you directly if you are fine being excluded and you reply yes, stating that we're going to nominate four people next mission so it's not all that important. This is not a town mindset in my opinion. Since that group of three players had at least one spy, it suggests you were more concerned about not having the overlap with two spies in the first mission.

  • After creating your chart, you town read sicklucker for being open and aggressive and pledge your support behind the day one team. However your chart shows that sicklucker has a single strong scum read on xatalos. When sicklucker drops the scum read on xatalos after he is included, you don't think anything of it.

  • When it comes up your turn to suggest a nomination, you decide to throw it away by letting rayn talk you into excluding the player who you seem to have the strongest town read for. You say you suggested the team because you wanted it to fail to gain information. However, on day one when there was a large amount of information to be gained and less content in the thread to go by, you decided to pass the mission. Furthermore, there is little sense of concern about accidentally having the mission go through when you didn't want it to. The information gained from your nomination after it failed was negligible.

  • When the same exact mission with rayn subbed out for yourself comes up, you provide very little input regarding how people should vote. You state that you didn't nominate the team of artanis/super/rayn/kita because you were still not sure about super. This doesn't really seem to change in the next 24 hours. However, when the rayn/rels/super/kita team comes up you vote no, but make little effort to make sure the mission doesn't pass. The no vote sets you up to look townie going into cycle three, while still allowing the vote to go through by staying quiet.

  • After town reading me the entire game, you state that I should be excluded by cherry picking my post when I made the assumption that I'm town. Of course I'm going to assume I'm town. You then apply a process of elimination read by stating that Xata/Super cannot be scum buddies, therefore it is likely that Xata/Kita could be scum buddies. You state that the Xata/Super interaction has no benefit, but they both came out on good terms in the thread and Super earned a lot of town points based on the little spat they had. However, you fail to consider that the Xata/Kita interaction has very little actual benefit, by dismissing it as a bus of sorts.

  • There are very few new ideas that you bring to the thread throughout the game. Most of your content is replying to ideas from other individuals. Most of the game you are playing passive and avoiding direct confrontations.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 13 2015 15:53 GMT
#2830
HTS, could you please summarize your thoughts on Rels similar to what I have done above. It's too difficult to wade through every back and forth post between you two. If you are actually town, either you need to convince me that Rels is mafia or I need to convince you that Rels is town for this game to be resolved.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
JudgeJudy
Profile Joined August 2015
188 Posts
November 13 2015 16:03 GMT
#2831
On November 12 2015 02:43 Rels wrote:
Will have to reread Kita in case of failure, but assuming it confirms my townread on him, I think the team have to be one of this:
Arta / rayn / Vivax
Arta / rayn / Xata
Arta / Xata / Vivax
Basically, just don't ever pick those four players and we're OK.


Rels, I'm trying to follow your read between SL and Xata. On post number #2147, you state that my analysis on SL is good, inferring that you still have a mafia read on him. However, you list rayn and xata as the individuals on your "do not pick" list. Now you seem to be back on the antagonize SL side of things based on your "BUSTED" post. Could you explain your thought process a bit more?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22104 Posts
November 13 2015 16:03 GMT
#2832
While thinking to myself that kita is probably 100 % scum for the 100th time, I also realized that SL went super aggressive on me with his shitty push about me voting yes to the team, but he didn't bitch about kita doing the same thing while scumreading my slot, yet they both keep bringing up how they can't be in a team together.

GET DUNKED
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 13 2015 16:04 GMT
#2833
On November 14 2015 01:03 JudgeJudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2015 02:43 Rels wrote:
Will have to reread Kita in case of failure, but assuming it confirms my townread on him, I think the team have to be one of this:
Arta / rayn / Vivax
Arta / rayn / Xata
Arta / Xata / Vivax
Basically, just don't ever pick those four players and we're OK.


Rels, I'm trying to follow your read between SL and Xata. On post number #2147, you state that my analysis on SL is good, inferring that you still have a mafia read on him. However, you list rayn and xata as the individuals on your "do not pick" list. Now you seem to be back on the antagonize SL side of things based on your "BUSTED" post. Could you explain your thought process a bit more?


Gotta get in my daily mis-post.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 13 2015 16:06 GMT
#2834
On November 14 2015 01:03 Vivax wrote:
While thinking to myself that kita is probably 100 % scum for the 100th time, I also realized that SL went super aggressive on me with his shitty push about me voting yes to the team, but he didn't bitch about kita doing the same thing while scumreading my slot, yet they both keep bringing up how they can't be in a team together.

GET DUNKED


I've responded to you about Rels like you asked and posted about Artanis. What do you have to say about those?

Also, based on this post does that confirm that you've read my filter regarding my interaction with SL and still hold the conclusion that we are buddies?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 13 2015 16:12 GMT
#2835
On November 13 2015 16:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
There really are too many scum players this game.


On November 13 2015 19:20 ShoCkeyy wrote:
^


So your nomination term finally comes up, you forget about the deadline, and then when you return you can't even be bothered to post the team you intended to nomination....?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22104 Posts
November 13 2015 16:14 GMT
#2836
On November 13 2015 09:03 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2015 07:39 Vivax wrote:
Kita we need to talk, can you give me a summary entirely without quoting anything about why you think Rels is town?

He has the opportunity to align himself against Xata, but posts the filter length analysis that makes Xata look pretty decent. If I remember correctly, this was posted prior to the mission one failure meaning that he was making a player who is up for consideration look decent, while lessening his own chance of inclusion. This doesn't apply if it is Xata + Rels as the spy, but I thought the other stuff outweighed the exception.


I snipped out the parts I didn't find as interesting as this one.

Your argument revolves just around him aligning himself in a certain way to a player, but you totally ignore the fact he decided to scumread me instead of Xata early in the game and took away his chances of pushing suspicion on him in case of mission fail.

So the only thing he could have done was to keep his read consistent and try to clear Xata, your argument here is NAI. You can do better than that, but you aren't town .

Other point:

You call himself aligning against Xata an "opportunity". Why? What would be the benefit in that situation?
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 13 2015 16:15 GMT
#2837
On November 13 2015 14:59 Coagulation wrote:
your just assuming a whole bunch of stupid bullshit for no reason. Im here reading the game and Im perfectly capable of playing /hosting resistance and our making decisions without a fucking coin flip.


So do you've got anything for us yet?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22104 Posts
November 13 2015 16:17 GMT
#2838
On November 14 2015 01:06 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 01:03 Vivax wrote:
While thinking to myself that kita is probably 100 % scum for the 100th time, I also realized that SL went super aggressive on me with his shitty push about me voting yes to the team, but he didn't bitch about kita doing the same thing while scumreading my slot, yet they both keep bringing up how they can't be in a team together.

GET DUNKED


I've responded to you about Rels like you asked and posted about Artanis. What do you have to say about those?

Also, based on this post does that confirm that you've read my filter regarding my interaction with SL and still hold the conclusion that we are buddies?


I didn't read your interaction much yet, but I noticed the lack of interaction between you and him when you voted yes on a team I was on, yet he should have been much more worked up about you instead of me if you were having a beef with each other earlier in the game already.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 13 2015 16:20 GMT
#2839
On November 14 2015 01:17 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 01:06 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 14 2015 01:03 Vivax wrote:
While thinking to myself that kita is probably 100 % scum for the 100th time, I also realized that SL went super aggressive on me with his shitty push about me voting yes to the team, but he didn't bitch about kita doing the same thing while scumreading my slot, yet they both keep bringing up how they can't be in a team together.

GET DUNKED


I've responded to you about Rels like you asked and posted about Artanis. What do you have to say about those?

Also, based on this post does that confirm that you've read my filter regarding my interaction with SL and still hold the conclusion that we are buddies?


I didn't read your interaction much yet, but I noticed the lack of interaction between you and him when you voted yes on a team I was on, yet he should have been much more worked up about you instead of me if you were having a beef with each other earlier in the game already.


Well when do you plan to? It would take probably five minutes to do a control + F for whenever I mention his name and then come back to the thread with a conclusion. Considering that is the scum team that you seem to be set in stone with, then it really should be a priority over anything else.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 13 2015 16:21 GMT
#2840
On November 14 2015 01:03 JudgeJudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2015 02:43 Rels wrote:
Will have to reread Kita in case of failure, but assuming it confirms my townread on him, I think the team have to be one of this:
Arta / rayn / Vivax
Arta / rayn / Xata
Arta / Xata / Vivax
Basically, just don't ever pick those four players and we're OK.


Rels, I'm trying to follow your read between SL and Xata. On post number #2147, you state that my analysis on SL is good, inferring that you still have a mafia read on him. However, you list rayn and xata as the individuals on your "do not pick" list. Now you seem to be back on the antagonize SL side of things based on your "BUSTED" post. Could you explain your thought process a bit more?

Sure, mysterious non-player that post here sometimes. That post is part of the series of post I made with the assumption that SL was town for his NO vote. Here is the first post of that series:
On November 12 2015 02:26 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2015 08:03 Fidei86 wrote:
Day 2
raynpelikoneet's Nomination (raynpelikoneet, kitaman, Rels, Vivax)

Vote Result

Half the Sky - YES
Xatalos - YES
Artanis[Xp] - NO
raynpelikoneet - YES
ShoCkeyy - YES
Rels - YES
sicklucker - NO
kitaman27 - YES
Vivax - YES

MISSION IS APPROVED

raynpelikoneet, kitaman, Rels and Vivax will be embarking on Mission 2
Mission will be completed in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 11 November 2015.

Alright so either the game is won, or the team is infected. Let's go with the infiltrated theory since we won in the other case anyway. I know why SL voted NO, but I think Arta didn't scumread anyone before deadline. I need to check that.

Then when I came back to the thread I found a lot of suspicious things from SL. Here are some posts from that time:
On November 12 2015 20:44 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2015 20:39 sicklucker wrote:
Hey rels alot has changed everyone thinks your scum how do you feel about that

Man you posted this exact post in the last game (Newbie XVI) where you were town; in that game, that post made me feel you were scum because you had this exact post in the previous game (Drams) where you were scum. I have the feeling you posted this just to show me "look I'm town, you made that mistake last game where you thought I was scum".
Who is everyone ? Only counting Arta HTS and you where I am. I'm catching up though, did anyone else scumread me ?

On November 12 2015 20:50 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2015 08:24 sicklucker wrote:
On November 12 2015 02:37 Rels wrote:
So the team is either:
Arta / rayn / XXX (not HTS, they're never scums together)
or Arta / Xata / Vivax (or Kita)
I think it makes HTS town actually whatever the case is actually ... at least if the team fails.


you cant possibly think the only one to vote no is scum

Yes I can. More than that; I think it's scum indicative IF the consensus if the team will pass whatever someone's vote is AND the vote doen't match up with the read previous to the vote. Now Arta wasn't as clear cut as I thought, but only because he was super non commital.
I really don't like how you didn't say much before the vote deadline when the consensus was the team will pass; and now you're like "WHAT GUYS WHY DID YOU ALL VOTE YES". If you were that sure the team would fail, you would have fought BEFORE the vote.

On November 12 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2015 18:54 sicklucker wrote:
tbh rels looks really town when hes mafia. What he does do as mafia is make up bullshit to suit his needs. I think hes very good as mafia. Hes a shit town player tho but I havent seen that shit townplay this game tbh

Before the fail mission: "yeah Rels is super right, for example in suggesting I was the fall guy in the first mission: he should be town".
After the fail mission: "oh Rels is too right to be town this game, he's not that good".
This is not an explanation.
Why are you townreading HTS ? For a dumbtell you thought couldn't come from scum right ? Anything else ?

On November 12 2015 21:03 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2015 20:58 sicklucker wrote:
Rels you rejected my town circle. me/shockey and you all had noms coming up. why not wait for them?

'cause I thought rayn was town and you were more likely scum than Xata. After the vote your NO vote looked townie, but the way you're acting right now is super scummy.
WHAT YOU ARE SAYING MAKES NO SENSE BECAUSE:
The only difference waiting would have made would be switch Superbia for Shockey. ATM I thought the team was very likely to be HTS / Arta / you or Xata. So what you are accusing me of doing is not logical.

On November 12 2015 21:04 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2015 20:59 sicklucker wrote:
On November 12 2015 20:58 Rels wrote:
cool. Who were the "everyone" scumreading me you were talking about ? Cause I really feel like you're trying to create an atmosphere where Shockey would think "Oh shit can't include Rels since everybody scumreads him"


no im not making that up its literately everyone thats playing the game. me/art/hts

This games weird because half the people are afk or subs

So "everyone" is 3 people ?

The bolded line resumes my progression to scum!Xata after SL voted NO, then to scum!SL when I found he was being scummy.
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