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On November 19 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 07:49 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Never lynch an uncc blue your dumb otherwise. Then can you please answer the points that MoosyDoosy brought up? Can you please explain how it is beneficial to try and figure out who the vigilante is?
because at worst the vigi is just a confirmed town which lowers the lynch pool by 1 (2 if farah is legit). at best the vigi baits a cc from mafia and we get a 1:1. there is actually 0 reason to not claim as vigi post-shot unless they are trying to avoid having me tell them why they are stupid for shooting geript or ve.
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Already answered on the case and vig issues
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On November 19 2015 07:56 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:On November 19 2015 07:49 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Never lynch an uncc blue your dumb otherwise. Then can you please answer the points that MoosyDoosy brought up? Can you please explain how it is beneficial to try and figure out who the vigilante is? because at worst the vigi is just a confirmed town which lowers the lynch pool by 1 (2 if farah is legit). at best the vigi baits a cc from mafia and we get a 1:1. there is actually 0 reason to not claim as vigi post-shot unless they are trying to avoid having me tell them why they are stupid for shooting geript or ve.
And since town is currently pretty headless and clueless (well at least I am) a lowered lynch pool would be appreciated. But I did neither shoot the deputy nor the sheriff and it is up to the vigi to decide this.
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On November 19 2015 07:56 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:On November 19 2015 07:49 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Never lynch an uncc blue your dumb otherwise. Then can you please answer the points that MoosyDoosy brought up? Can you please explain how it is beneficial to try and figure out who the vigilante is? because at worst the vigi is just a confirmed town which lowers the lynch pool by 1 (2 if farah is legit). at best the vigi baits a cc from mafia and we get a 1:1. there is actually 0 reason to not claim as vigi post-shot unless they are trying to avoid having me tell them why they are stupid for shooting geript or ve. Okay, so let's assume for a moment that you're right, and the vigilante is stupid for not claiming.
We find who the vigilante is, then we know who is stupid. Yay?
The vigilante wouldn't avoid claiming if they're under a sufficient amount of suspicion anyway, no matter what. So you can assume that the vigilante isn't that highly suspected. So IT DOESN'T MATTER.
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Disfo you get half a town point just for being the only one to mention that post tbh. I'm not gonna quote it and stretch the thread out but this is in response to 1072.
First point. Right I dont want to but I did anyway cuz I felt it necessary to point out. Yolo. And considering ES was one of the only players I had directly interacted with, it would make sense that she was the read I was most sure of.
No I didn't miss that post and I won't go into wifom territory on whether scum ritoky would do that or not. The point I was trying to make is that he himself claimed he tried to get a switch. But he can't really say he did that when that Scott post and his switch were all at the last possible minute. It just looked like he said that to make himself look good.
Skipping the fair enough.
I agree with you there. But if Moosy is in fact town, then I'm more inclined to think the early voters that never moved are more likely scum than the vote switchers. Like if town is getting lynched regardless, scum has no motivation to move back and forth a bunch of times.
So you think Farrah is scum then? I believe someone asked you before to show when and where your null read on her became scum. Can you do that now? What do you think of her blue claim?
Yeah I'll get around to Trfel soon.
I dislike ritoky for seeing what I see in ES then scumming me and asking why anyone TRs me for it. And misrepresenting himself as someone who tried to get ppl off Scott when there wasn't enough time for that to even happen. And I was finding him suspicious enough to revisit my townread on him. I'm not saying he's a full blown scumread but I do have question marks now.
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On November 19 2015 07:44 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 07:38 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 19 2015 06:20 FarahBlackwing wrote:
I'm pretty sure fecal is the vig which makes the game pretty easy. I'm catching up sorry I had a lot of business to take care of today. I am not the vig can you make me fall in love with you today. i gave you a town pass cuz you courted me and were funny, but you're starting to make your way toward my PoE at a quicker and quicker rate. so plz defecate town rainbows if you're town.
I'll figure something out. It's a bit of a hectic day today though.
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On November 19 2015 07:58 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Already answered on the case and vig issues
Just from an advice perspective, being obstinate about something that multiple people clearly didn't understand the first time instead of attempting to re-explain it in a manner they can grasp is not a good way to garner others' trust or rally people to your cause.
The part of moosy's case I wanted an explanation from you on was your disformation read progression. What is your read on him? How did you get there? Why? What made you think he was the best lynch then move to breshke?
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on mobile. this is beyond irritating.
On November 19 2015 07:38 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Read what I wrote and apply it. Information is king withholding information when you are a glorified vt now is anti-town especially the leathery out wait the more mafia can mess with town.
no. this is not entirely true. I learnt in nsm14 (the host in the qt mentioned this, unless people here want to say rsoultin is a bad player but somehow I don't think that's the case???) that wifom analysis is powerful. if you are scum and you find a blue, it gives it an easier way for scum to hide because killing blues generally means there's no excuse for certain people to live or not.
additionally the real vet isn't going to claim with 46 hours left in the cycle, piss off, come back and keep saying never lynch an uncounterclaimed blue. you aren't finding scum and your methods don't push town agenda forward in any form.
additionally in a best case scenario town can find the roleblocker first and an unclaimed veteran represents currently a 14% chance of stopping kp.
unless I've fucked up analysis - I find no town motivation for the way you've approached this. I find enough justification for lynching you.
answer me this farah - why did you claim with 46 hours left (an hour ago) in the cycle and why aren't you finding scum?
in your method you wanted to know fecalfeast was vig or not, he said he wasn't. so where does that get you? what is your purpose?
you aren't saying dick all on that.
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So I guess I'm the only person in the world that isn't 100-% sold sometimes on what they think or second guesses themselves?
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On November 19 2015 08:03 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 07:58 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Already answered on the case and vig issues Just from an advice perspective, being obstinate about something that multiple people clearly didn't understand the first time instead of attempting to re-explain it in a manner they can grasp is not a good way to garner others' trust or rally people to your cause. The part of moosy's case I wanted an explanation from you on was your disformation read progression. What is your read on him? How did you get there? Why? What made you think he was the best lynch then move to breshke?
It's kinda funny tho becuz she was this obstinate last game too
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On November 19 2015 08:00 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 07:56 ritoky wrote:On November 19 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:On November 19 2015 07:49 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Never lynch an uncc blue your dumb otherwise. Then can you please answer the points that MoosyDoosy brought up? Can you please explain how it is beneficial to try and figure out who the vigilante is? because at worst the vigi is just a confirmed town which lowers the lynch pool by 1 (2 if farah is legit). at best the vigi baits a cc from mafia and we get a 1:1. there is actually 0 reason to not claim as vigi post-shot unless they are trying to avoid having me tell them why they are stupid for shooting geript or ve. Okay, so let's assume for a moment that you're right, and the vigilante is stupid for not claiming. We find who the vigilante is, then we know who is stupid. Yay? The vigilante wouldn't avoid claiming if they're under a sufficient amount of suspicion anyway, no matter what. So you can assume that the vigilante isn't that highly suspected. So IT DOESN'T MATTER.
it is the denial of a universal TR to town for what i can only assume is a lack of understanding of mechanics or selfish reasons...it is just anti-town to not claim; if you don't understand then your mechanics are not strong enough.
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On November 19 2015 08:08 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 08:03 ritoky wrote:On November 19 2015 07:58 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Already answered on the case and vig issues Just from an advice perspective, being obstinate about something that multiple people clearly didn't understand the first time instead of attempting to re-explain it in a manner they can grasp is not a good way to garner others' trust or rally people to your cause. The part of moosy's case I wanted an explanation from you on was your disformation read progression. What is your read on him? How did you get there? Why? What made you think he was the best lynch then move to breshke? It's kinda funny tho becuz she was this obstinate last game too
what was her alignment? and do you think it is an alignment indicator or a personality thing?
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Yeah that's dumb. Vigilante should always claim after he's out of bullets.
For the same reason self aware Miller's and named vanilla townies should claim. More confirmed people leads town to better lynched.
I have three 8 hour third shifts with mandatory overtime recertification in the mornings. My time is precious.
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Why did you decide to claim vet, of all things, before there's any risk of you dying?
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On November 19 2015 08:12 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 08:08 The Shining wrote:On November 19 2015 08:03 ritoky wrote:On November 19 2015 07:58 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Already answered on the case and vig issues Just from an advice perspective, being obstinate about something that multiple people clearly didn't understand the first time instead of attempting to re-explain it in a manner they can grasp is not a good way to garner others' trust or rally people to your cause. The part of moosy's case I wanted an explanation from you on was your disformation read progression. What is your read on him? How did you get there? Why? What made you think he was the best lynch then move to breshke? It's kinda funny tho becuz she was this obstinate last game too what was her alignment? and do you think it is an alignment indicator or a personality thing?
Town and this is her 2nd game so idk if meta could rightfully apply here. But it wouldn't surprise me if it does, since I had her as town. Even though I don't really understand the claim this early, I could see it coming from a flustered and frustrated town that's only played 1 game and just shutting down because of it.
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Okay Farah is scum lmao. There's little reason to believe her claim. She literally acted scummy as fuck during N1. Like what point is there in doing that as veteran? Best case scenario she's kept around and her role is useless. Worst case scenario vigi shoots her and both roles are wasted. Like hello?
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On November 19 2015 08:10 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 08:00 Trfel wrote:On November 19 2015 07:56 ritoky wrote:On November 19 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:On November 19 2015 07:49 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Never lynch an uncc blue your dumb otherwise. Then can you please answer the points that MoosyDoosy brought up? Can you please explain how it is beneficial to try and figure out who the vigilante is? because at worst the vigi is just a confirmed town which lowers the lynch pool by 1 (2 if farah is legit). at best the vigi baits a cc from mafia and we get a 1:1. there is actually 0 reason to not claim as vigi post-shot unless they are trying to avoid having me tell them why they are stupid for shooting geript or ve. Okay, so let's assume for a moment that you're right, and the vigilante is stupid for not claiming. We find who the vigilante is, then we know who is stupid. Yay? The vigilante wouldn't avoid claiming if they're under a sufficient amount of suspicion anyway, no matter what. So you can assume that the vigilante isn't that highly suspected. So IT DOESN'T MATTER. it is the denial of a universal TR to town for what i can only assume is a lack of understanding of mechanics or selfish reasons...it is just anti-town to not claim; if you don't understand then your mechanics are not strong enough.
I agree here. Bah ritoky is still prob town, I'm just prone to omgus sometimes, I guess
I have this funny theory that I was right about geript being the Vig shot and Trfel is the Vig. His dislike of geript would've made him shoot XD that's why he's so adamant about saying there Vig claiming doesn't matter, since he feels no one really suspects him right now. Or I could be totally dead wrong.
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On November 19 2015 08:10 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 08:00 Trfel wrote:On November 19 2015 07:56 ritoky wrote:On November 19 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:On November 19 2015 07:49 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Never lynch an uncc blue your dumb otherwise. Then can you please answer the points that MoosyDoosy brought up? Can you please explain how it is beneficial to try and figure out who the vigilante is? because at worst the vigi is just a confirmed town which lowers the lynch pool by 1 (2 if farah is legit). at best the vigi baits a cc from mafia and we get a 1:1. there is actually 0 reason to not claim as vigi post-shot unless they are trying to avoid having me tell them why they are stupid for shooting geript or ve. Okay, so let's assume for a moment that you're right, and the vigilante is stupid for not claiming. We find who the vigilante is, then we know who is stupid. Yay? The vigilante wouldn't avoid claiming if they're under a sufficient amount of suspicion anyway, no matter what. So you can assume that the vigilante isn't that highly suspected. So IT DOESN'T MATTER. it is the denial of a universal TR to town for what i can only assume is a lack of understanding of mechanics or selfish reasons...it is just anti-town to not claim; if you don't understand then your mechanics are not strong enough. Okay, that's simply not my point. I just cannot see how it is at all beneficial to try and figure out who the vigilante is.
It will always be heavily speculative until they claim. Furthermore, the simple fact that they aren't claiming suggests that the gain for town is not all that large.
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##unvote
##Vote farahblackwing
Lets ride
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