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Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 17 2015 00:25 GMT
#581
On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote:
Breshke, who are your scumreads right now?

If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine.


It's mostly less active people.

Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry.

FF still being lazy so would lynch.

Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage.

I also am waiting for VE to be around again.

Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 17 2015 00:26 GMT
#582
Honestly Farah's filter is pretty nice to look at. I mean, the lynch list is kinda butt because I am leaning town on bresh and am fairly certain that I'm town but being wrong is allowed.

Is there a case on farah or anything that I'm blatantly missing?
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 17 2015 00:27 GMT
#583
On November 17 2015 09:22 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Sure he could, but shoot him/cop check him instead of using a lynch on him if you are so inclined.
Ugh, I hate this so much, but I guess you're probably right...

##unvote

Scott31337 or VisceraEyes stand out the most to me right now. Waiting for Fecalfeast to post his filter analysis, though.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 17 2015 00:28 GMT
#584
It's a 1.5 page filter but I can do a post by post if my blurb isn't sufficient. I have it open in other tabs still
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Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 17 2015 00:28 GMT
#585
FF look at scotts and tell me what you think.

Farah if moosey acted like this last game as town couldnt you say it would be a good idea for him to act this way as scum this game?
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 00:28 GMT
#586
this is basically going to end up being a waste of space for a lot of people when you get to the end and realize it is a NULL READ. so i am spoilering it now DISFORM IS NULL TO ME FOR COMPLICATED RAISINS. now here's why:

Here's his entrance, it feels natural and relaxed:

On November 16 2015 05:05 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Hello. I think the proper use of our time is

##vote shining

Statistically it has to be time


Can you throw me the statistics you are refering to?


On November 16 2015 05:07 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 05:05 disformation wrote:
On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Hello. I think the proper use of our time is

##vote shining

Statistically it has to be time


Can you throw me the statistics you are refering to?


Actually:
counterproposal:
In both games I played with scott, he was lynched D1 and town won. That is like a 100% to win if we lynch scott today!
##vote scott31337


On November 16 2015 05:09 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 05:07 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Shining has rolled town 85% of the time maybe 90%. His streak must be over at some point


I have rolled town 100% of the time. Maybe you should lynch me. :D


Particularly the suggestion that we should lynch him feels town. It takes a certain level of testicular fortitude to suggest lynching yourself as mafia that early in the game and no offense to disform, but from my experience he isn't that ballsy and forthright.

But then it starts to feel awkward.... he gets into the "am i the only one who was joking" and self deprecation area which is very different from his natural upbeat attitude from before.

The he says this:

On November 16 2015 06:17 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote:
On November 16 2015 06:08 disformation wrote:
On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote:
On November 16 2015 05:59 geript wrote:
On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote:
##unvote

Ok I have my read now.

Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi.

So what's your read and how did you reach it?


Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in.

Pretty sure he's town at least for now.


Do you mean to say that Shining posts much more as town? Could someone else confirm this? Don't remember playing with Shining.


From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him


Alright, thanks.
Will probably have to look at a few Shining maffay games myself.


which i quoted for empty promise potential. this is a very practiced and common mafia tactic where they say "reading filters" or "catching up" then they deliver low volume small content posts or say they didn't find anything to feign doing more work to solve the game than they are actually doing. so i was expecting some in depth analysis of shining at some point. spoiler alert, i was disappointed that it never came to be. which tends toward mafia for me

then he posts his reads and there's that FF read that sticks out to me. i don't see why it was mentioned and it felt forced into it. he includes so few reads in the post, so why does FF being null get included? I don't understand what the point of it was. it isn't a strong read, it doesn't seek to illicit a reaction, it is just this random null read with no content to it in a very small list of reads. i can't grasp why it is even there. tending toward mafia again.

next he starts posting and trying to solve the game and i generally like the way he is pushing so i start to think he is town again, but then at the end of all of that pushing he arrives at this:

On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote:
So to summarize:
ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF


which is like the biggest pile of LHF in the thread. so i am super confused right now. BUT HERE IS WHERE I GET REALLLLLLLLLYYYYY CONFUSED. REMEMBER TRFEL IS MAFIA TO HIM, now watch these next posts:

On November 17 2015 03:06 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote:
So to summarize:
ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF


Should add at least a bit of reasoning:
All three are in dire need of contributing more and have exhibited a bit of suspicious actions.
(MoosyDoosy buggering off without explaining his reads, Trefel explained a few posts above and FF being lurky as hell, with minimal contributions.)

Other thoughts:
Eversince will probably just get a pass from me for D1 because of the surgeries along with some points for trying to be here and do stuff.
I didn't mind Farah, but want to see more in the near future.
Still a bit waffly (btw: for ppl that don't know me: I am The Waffleboy) on The Shining, but he is a town lean for me atm.
Also waffly about Breshke.
Kinda liked scotts entry, so townlean unless he just vanishes for the rest of the day. I know scott is a low volume poster and I have a bit of a problem with that, since it often leads to me feeling like I don't see a proper read progression.

NocturneMage, geript, ritoky and VE town.


VE is town, trfel is mafia.

On November 17 2015 05:32 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 04:28 Trfel wrote:
Disformation, why did you townread scott31337? Please explain.


Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 05:12 Trfel wrote:
I don't like scott31337's posts so far. His late entrance is very strange, I'm not used to him ignoring a game for so long after it began. He also didn't explain his reads, and followed thread sentiment. I don't see any real contributions from him so far. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve the game.


I'm going ahead and respond to both of that.
Since I remember scott as someone who does not post a lot, I don't think his late entry is alignment indicative.
I kinda liked his entry because he was explained were he was at after catching up to the thread fairly well. Yeah, it was not that original. Maybe I am a bit biased because a lot of his views are very similar to mine...

His sudden disappearance does worry me a bit though.. would like him to interact with a few ppl and/or to push his scum reads.

While we are at that:
##vote MoosyDoosy
@MoosyDoosy : Plx, explain your reads and answer my question.


I also should maybe rethink my stance on VE since I pretty my like Trfel's case. I also do not feel like lynching Trfel atm.


One of his only 3 mafia reads gives a scum read on one of his only 3 town reads and he then trusts his scum reads' case on his top town read and re-evaluates. I am so fucking confused by this I can't even explain it. It makes no sense, so I would appreciate it if someone would fucking explain this insanity to me.

Ultimately he has shit that makes me think he is town, but he has shit that makes me think he is mafia, and then he has shit that I don't even understand. He might be in my lynch pile today cuz I think he is on the mafia side of null at the moment....but I feel like this is someone I am going to have difficulty reading all game long, so I really need to figure him out.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 17 2015 00:29 GMT
#587
On November 17 2015 09:28 Fecalfeast wrote:
It's a 1.5 page filter but I can do a post by post if my blurb isn't sufficient. I have it open in other tabs still
I don't need post-by-post. I don't want post-by-post. If you post an analysis of every single one of FarahBlackwing's posts I will policy lynch you.

Was there anything in FarahBlackwing's filter that looked good to you? You seem to say that you didn't find anything wrong, did you find anything right?
FarahBlackwing
Profile Joined October 2015
270 Posts
November 17 2015 00:30 GMT
#588
On November 17 2015 09:28 Breshke wrote:
FF look at scotts and tell me what you think.

Farah if moosey acted like this last game as town couldnt you say it would be a good idea for him to act this way as scum this game?


I mean I guess he could, but wouldn't it be NAI then rather than exclusively scum oriented. Therefore he still wouldn't be worth the lynch today if we have someone acting scummy in other ways correct?
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 17 2015 00:31 GMT
#589
On November 17 2015 09:29 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 09:28 Fecalfeast wrote:
It's a 1.5 page filter but I can do a post by post if my blurb isn't sufficient. I have it open in other tabs still
I don't need post-by-post. I don't want post-by-post. If you post an analysis of every single one of FarahBlackwing's posts I will policy lynch you.

Was there anything in FarahBlackwing's filter that looked good to you? You seem to say that you didn't find anything wrong, did you find anything right?

doing that right now.

I don't have the attention span for a post-by-post anyway
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 17 2015 00:36 GMT
#590
Farah do you have reasons for why you think eversince is town this game?
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 17 2015 00:36 GMT
#591
Also, Fecalfeast, I believe you have zero scum reads right now?

Do you plan on doing something about that in the near future?
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 17 2015 00:39 GMT
#592
On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Hello. I think the proper use of our time is

##vote shining

Statistically it has to be time

On November 16 2015 05:07 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Shining has rolled town 85% of the time maybe 90%. His streak must be over at some point


Jokes, obviously this logic isn't sane so we're having a laugh.


On November 16 2015 05:23 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote:
On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Hello. I think the proper use of our time is

##vote shining

Statistically it has to be time


100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you.


Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town.
This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia.

180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment

Obviously mafia.

##vote: Farahblackwing

Soooo mafia. Lynch today!


There was plenty to town read shining on last game be it tone or otherwise.

Someone evokes Poe's Law and farah dismisses it without instantly going on the defensive about it being a joke.

<couple posts awkwardly saying she was joking>

When I make a post that, to me, is obviously not serious and people start to take it seriously I get flustered. I'm projecting that onto farah for the awkward portion of her filter.


On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 05:59 geript wrote:
On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote:
##unvote

Ok I have my read now.

Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi.

So what's your read and how did you reach it?


Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in.

Pretty sure he's town at least for now.

Explaination of her post given in a timely manner. She even goes on to get sassy with geript saying she doesn't care if they're good enough. Confidence and not backing down in the face of opposition. Towny traits to me.



On November 17 2015 08:38 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Then your vote where your idea is instead of doing the opposite of what you said you would do.

And not sure what you are referring to with the like Damdred thing and putting my gender in quotation marks.

I really do not care if I am eliminated at this stage.

This is a bit of an awkward post, at least in the tone I'm attributing it. It almost seems like a flustered retaliation. No refutation of moose's thing (which I honestly haven't read) but still attacking his choice in vote.


So basically other than her interaction with moose I think farah is towny this game
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 17 2015 00:41 GMT
#593
On November 17 2015 09:36 Trfel wrote:
Also, Fecalfeast, I believe you have zero scum reads right now?

Do you plan on doing something about that in the near future?

VE went from scum to null but sure.

What are you even asking here?

"FF you gonna keep playing?"
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FarahBlackwing
Profile Joined October 2015
270 Posts
November 17 2015 00:41 GMT
#594
On November 17 2015 09:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
Farah do you have reasons for why you think eversince is town this game?


It is harder to describe, but it just feels a bit different than last game.

One of the points I made against her at that point last game was that she was dodging and jumping from topic to topic. While when she is here it feels a bit more defensive, and some things don't feel forced and not exactly trying to push scum on people.

Its a concerted effort that feels different to me in that regard. Even if its an odd exchange up to a point.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 17 2015 00:43 GMT
#595
On November 17 2015 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 09:36 Trfel wrote:
Also, Fecalfeast, I believe you have zero scum reads right now?

Do you plan on doing something about that in the near future?

VE went from scum to null but sure.

What are you even asking here?

"FF you gonna keep playing?"
You had two scumreads, VisceraEyes and MoosyDoosy. You're no longer scumreading both of them.

I was just wanting your thoughts on that, that's all.

How much past experience do you have with MoosyDoosy?

Anyway, off to my exam.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 17 2015 00:43 GMT
#596
On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote:
Breshke, who are your scumreads right now?

If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine.


It's mostly less active people.

Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry.


Shit please don't remind me of that game.

I want VE to come back as well but by the time he does I'm going to be asleep.

disformation in my first game I don't recall being obvious town when he was town, but he might be a decent copcheck. In fact as of now, him and Scott might be decent copchecks if we have one.

Also Moosy's post on Farah was pretty bad as well. I'll explain why.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 00:43 GMT
#597
On November 17 2015 09:13 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Breshke, take your original read on me and switch it. It has worked 100% of the time in the past. Yes, this is fact.


Have you played with sicklucker? I think you two would be friends.

Ritoky since VE isn't here and you town read him do you see an explanation for this

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 07:51 Breshke wrote:
ahh Trefel I just know realized that post wasnt referring to his fecal vote because thats meet to say and argued.

VE can you explain this

On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing.



and this

On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also I'm back!

##Unvote

I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted.

The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you.

So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by.


Seems to be saying two different things



that's a bad metric to gauge VE on. with VE it is all about passion and the manner in which he provokes people....and how pissed off he gets when he isn't town read when he should be, but that bit only matters later in the game. i could care less if he was joking or serious doesn't matter to me tbh, he provoked someone in town VE way in order to get a read, and he showed early passion. town VE enough for me fttb.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 00:44 GMT
#598
also someone comment on what i typed...i feel dumb typing it now.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 17 2015 00:45 GMT
#599
On November 17 2015 09:44 ritoky wrote:
also someone comment on what i typed...i feel dumb typing it now.


I'm going to try and get to that before I go to bed. It's almost 1am here, and I've been up for way the hell too long.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 17 2015 00:45 GMT
#600
Ah bunch of stuffs. Not to thrilled right now.

MoosyDoosy tried something very similar to this in NSM13 and got modkilled as a result. He was town that game.
As a result I am kinda hesitating to keep my vote on him, on the other hand I am super annoyed and want to policy lynch him for repeatedly pulling these things.

On November 17 2015 09:28 ritoky wrote:
Particularly the suggestion that we should lynch him feels town. It takes a certain level of testicular fortitude to suggest lynching yourself as mafia that early in the game and no offense to disform, but from my experience he isn't that ballsy and forthright.


None taken you are quite right.
Probably going to address a few points Farah and you made, grabbing something to eat first though.
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