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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
November 15 2015 21:14 GMT
#301
On November 16 2015 06:11 FarahBlackwing wrote:
That's what your going to get geript that's my read and idc if it is not adequate for you.

No. I'm going to get more because your answer didn't say anything. Explain why those things make him town to you. Especially off of 1 (maybe 2) games experience.
FarahBlackwing
Profile Joined October 2015
270 Posts
November 15 2015 21:16 GMT
#302
On November 16 2015 06:12 Trfel wrote:
Best of luck with your surgery, Eversince.

FarahBlackwing, do you have a read on geript?


Should i?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 15 2015 21:17 GMT
#303
On November 16 2015 06:16 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 06:12 Trfel wrote:
Best of luck with your surgery, Eversince.

FarahBlackwing, do you have a read on geript?


Should i?
I asked you first
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 15 2015 21:17 GMT
#304
On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 06:08 disformation wrote:
On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote:
On November 16 2015 05:59 geript wrote:
On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote:
##unvote

Ok I have my read now.

Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi.

So what's your read and how did you reach it?


Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in.

Pretty sure he's town at least for now.


Do you mean to say that Shining posts much more as town? Could someone else confirm this? Don't remember playing with Shining.


From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him


Alright, thanks.
Will probably have to look at a few Shining maffay games myself.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
November 15 2015 21:18 GMT
#305
On November 16 2015 06:14 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 06:11 Eversince wrote:
On November 16 2015 06:02 Eversince wrote:
On November 16 2015 05:48 The Shining wrote:
On November 16 2015 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 16 2015 05:38 The Shining wrote:
On November 16 2015 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote:
On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Hello. I think the proper use of our time is

##vote shining

Statistically it has to be time


100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you.


Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town.
This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia.

180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment

Obviously mafia.

##vote: Farahblackwing

Soooo mafia. Lynch today!

I actually like this a lot.

##Vote: Farahblackwing


What about it do you like? I see a short meta read based off of one newbie game, from a newbie. I wouldn't be nearly this confident in meta reading someone after just one game. And how do you know its even accurate? Did you check the last game or are you just blindly trusting to get on a wagon here?

I don't care if it's accurate - if they're mafia and lying someone will come in and say "Hey that's a lie" and I'll reevaluate then. At this point I'm taking the short meta read at face value, assuming it's true and taking the attempt as a townie attempt to find mafia - one that has possibly borne fruit.

So no, I'm not just "blindly" jumping on a wagon. I like this particular wagon for the reasons given and I like the person who started it, as indicated in my post.


So in other words, you're being lazy and following the word of someone that you've never played with before about someone youve never played with before. Got it.

Now if I go and say that I have a meta read on Eversince because as scum last game she just enters the thread and finds the scummiest looking thing she can and just hammers it into oblivion, which I think she could be doing here, what would you make of that? I want to see more than a short meta read on one person and no talk of other players before I even remotely believe she is town.


I came into thread picking at Kelsier for the argument between him and Moosy. Since I was mafia that game, I knew both where town, but what else to pick at? They had filled several pages of the game with useless rambling. How can you even say I hammered it into the ground? I dropped my Kelsier read in the following night phase. I only held on to Moosy because his lack of content provided an excuse to my mafia self to chase after.

I did play with Farah last game. You basically posted nothing for 80% of the game. She had an irreversible town read on you from early D1. So much so, I wish you HAD been mafia that game. Because if it had been you and not Vonthin, mafia would have easily won that game by killing Rels, and leaving you, Farah, and GB alive for lylo. Because Farah would not have voted you from D1 that game. I mentioned as much in QT about night kills because if Vonthin was left with Farah/Shining he would loss because neither would vote the other over him.

Other than that point, I see nothing wrong with he's done other than ploy at a sarcastical comment I made an hour into this game. Which you point that he hasn't a need to make it. That's true. But don't try to say that I'm playin' my mafia meta because I poke fun early into the game.


4 minutes ago. How am I gone again? Also yeh, I will be vacant most of the following day. I said in pre-game I hurt myself badly. I had a surgery last night, another one in about 3 and a half hours, and a third after that, whenever I show stable again. Sorry the doctors won't pump me full of so much anesthesia, while inflicting massive amounts of trauma, to kill me to do it all at once.

Fishy.


Meh feel better then. I also wrote that post before I saw your post responding to me so its pretty much moot now. The Farrah vote post was the most recent post in your filter when I posted.


And I'll admit that sounded super insincere. Sorry, got a little too into the game. Really do wish you a speedy recovery, and good luck on the surgery.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
FarahBlackwing
Profile Joined October 2015
270 Posts
November 15 2015 21:18 GMT
#306
On November 16 2015 06:14 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 06:11 FarahBlackwing wrote:
That's what your going to get geript that's my read and idc if it is not adequate for you.

No. I'm going to get more because your answer didn't say anything. Explain why those things make him town to you. Especially off of 1 (maybe 2) games experience.


Sure it said things I remember them. I clearly explained why I think he's town please read it again and ask direct questions on more in-depth things.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
November 15 2015 21:19 GMT
#307
Also if trfel hasn't said at least 1 smart thing by tomorrow we kill him.
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
November 15 2015 21:21 GMT
#308
I mentioned in my earlier post, Viscera is null. He sheeped a random vote I made an hour into this game. If he does squat else followin', I'll take issue. Right now I've already mentioned that, while currently not useful, his post don't seem to push him either way.

I haven't,and won't until I get a much better base on people, use meta. I do assume that a WHOLE BUNCH of people do. I've read a number of games on this site. I don't understand everything, but under the assumption that I found him in a few old games on the Team Liquid database, he is one who uses meta.

On those standards, he's not done anything to make him tilt scales. Time will tell...
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
November 15 2015 21:21 GMT
#309
On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 06:08 disformation wrote:
On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote:
On November 16 2015 05:59 geript wrote:
On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote:
##unvote

Ok I have my read now.

Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi.

So what's your read and how did you reach it?


Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in.

Pretty sure he's town at least for now.


Do you mean to say that Shining posts much more as town? Could someone else confirm this? Don't remember playing with Shining.


From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him

Not a huge fan of this heuristic but I can understand where it comes from. I think it's really poor to apply here.
FarahBlackwing
Profile Joined October 2015
270 Posts
November 15 2015 21:21 GMT
#310
On November 16 2015 06:17 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 06:16 FarahBlackwing wrote:
On November 16 2015 06:12 Trfel wrote:
Best of luck with your surgery, Eversince.

FarahBlackwing, do you have a read on geript?


Should i?
I asked you first


No I don't currently have a read concerning him.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
November 15 2015 21:22 GMT
#311
On November 16 2015 06:19 geript wrote:
Also if trfel hasn't said at least 1 smart thing by tomorrow we kill him.


I like this. Trfels entrance was a one liner asking you to explain your read. And the posts are worryingly short. Is this the same Trfel that likes to post crazy WoT to start games and do stuff to get conversation and reads going? Because that is the town Trfel I know and this isn't him.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
November 15 2015 21:24 GMT
#312
Also, how was my second paragraph irrelevant. Just be realistic, assume I wasn't entirely feeding the pigeons corn, and understand I was tryin' to appear townish that game. So I was picking at things that I would find questionable as town. You didn't have much of anything until D3? to justify her read on you. Why the 180 now?

Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 15 2015 21:24 GMT
#313
VisceraEyes

VisceraEyes makes two posts showing suspicion of The Shining.
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2015 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote:
Farrah your logic is flawed. I rolled scum a few games ago which means I'm due for another 10 town games, which this is. Your instant vote is pretty uncalled for so early, with so many people missing but I'll chalk it up to interesting entrance. How far you plan on pushing this obvious policy lynch?

Actually all the entrances so far suck. No TRs, town Y u make this so hard?

No townreads = trying to keep options open. Marfia.
On November 16 2015 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like statistically speaking you could just close your eyes and point at a townie, so the fact that you can't trust ANYONE with so many having posted is a huge red flag for me.

After these posts, VisceraEyes treats The Shining like he is town, specifically by telling The Shining how to properly play as town.
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2015 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
As for finding scum not town, it's infinitely easier to narrow down your search by correctly identifying townies. This is known.
On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote:
If you want me to explain, the logic of closing your eyes and finding a town less than an hour to d1 by just pointing means statistically you have a higher chance of finding town by being random. By that same logic, snap voting this early on D1 means it has a higher chance of landing on town.

Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird.

And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3

Furthermore, Eversince's post on FarahBlackwing has a very large logical flaw, in that The Shining hadn't posted at the time. Eversince is comparing a townread based on actual posts to a vote with zero reason from this game, which does not work. VisceraEyes knows much better than this.

This isn't VisceraEyes pushing The Shining, this is VisceraEyes reading incorrectly and flailing wildly at The Shining with words that don't match his stance.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
November 15 2015 21:25 GMT
#314
On November 16 2015 06:21 Eversince wrote:
I mentioned in my earlier post, Viscera is null. He sheeped a random vote I made an hour into this game. If he does squat else followin', I'll take issue. Right now I've already mentioned that, while currently not useful, his post don't seem to push him either way.

I haven't,and won't until I get a much better base on people, use meta. I do assume that a WHOLE BUNCH of people do. I've read a number of games on this site. I don't understand everything, but under the assumption that I found him in a few old games on the Team Liquid database, he is one who uses meta.

On those standards, he's not done anything to make him tilt scales. Time will tell...


But your scumread on Farrah is a metaread?? You said her gameplay here was a 180 from her gameplay last game, which meant 180 in alignment. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's a clear meta read. So how could you say you haven't and won't use meta?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 15 2015 21:25 GMT
#315
On November 16 2015 06:21 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 06:17 Trfel wrote:
On November 16 2015 06:16 FarahBlackwing wrote:
On November 16 2015 06:12 Trfel wrote:
Best of luck with your surgery, Eversince.

FarahBlackwing, do you have a read on geript?


Should i?
I asked you first


No I don't currently have a read concerning him.
Fair enough. I don't have a read on geript either XD
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
November 15 2015 21:28 GMT
#316
That trfel post is really, really terrible.
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
November 15 2015 21:28 GMT
#317
On November 16 2015 06:25 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 06:21 Eversince wrote:
I mentioned in my earlier post, Viscera is null. He sheeped a random vote I made an hour into this game. If he does squat else followin', I'll take issue. Right now I've already mentioned that, while currently not useful, his post don't seem to push him either way.

I haven't,and won't until I get a much better base on people, use meta. I do assume that a WHOLE BUNCH of people do. I've read a number of games on this site. I don't understand everything, but under the assumption that I found him in a few old games on the Team Liquid database, he is one who uses meta.

On those standards, he's not done anything to make him tilt scales. Time will tell...


But your scumread on Farrah is a metaread?? You said her gameplay here was a 180 from her gameplay last game, which meant 180 in alignment. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's a clear meta read. So how could you say you haven't and won't use meta?


I also mentioned that was a satircal statement. Which you pointed to VE leaning mafia over sheeping my vote.

It was an hour into the game, you really think I'm convinced over like 1 or 2 post in a game that's been going over to confirm someone as mafia or not?
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
November 15 2015 21:29 GMT
#318
On November 16 2015 06:24 Eversince wrote:
Also, how was my second paragraph irrelevant. Just be realistic, assume I wasn't entirely feeding the pigeons corn, and understand I was tryin' to appear townish that game. So I was picking at things that I would find questionable as town. You didn't have much of anything until D3? to justify her read on you. Why the 180 now?



Because it was a lot of info and talk about a past game, which has no meaning in this game. Unless you're using it to try and meta her now. Are you?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 15 2015 21:30 GMT
#319
On November 16 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 06:21 FarahBlackwing wrote:
On November 16 2015 06:17 Trfel wrote:
On November 16 2015 06:16 FarahBlackwing wrote:
On November 16 2015 06:12 Trfel wrote:
Best of luck with your surgery, Eversince.

FarahBlackwing, do you have a read on geript?


Should i?
I asked you first


No I don't currently have a read concerning him.
Fair enough. I don't have a read on geript either XD


Hm. I would think geript is town? He constantly bothers ppl into explaining/doing stuff... people explaining/doing stuff helps you get a read on them.
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
November 15 2015 21:30 GMT
#320
To clarify, The Shining lurked bad last game I played with.
Farah town reads him regardless.

This game, Farah mafia reads The Shining.
He had not even posted yet.

Yeh! It's completely different play! Buggers! Sorry for pointin' it out!
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