Newbie Student Mafia XVII: Fullmetal Edition - Page 16

geript

10024 Posts

November 15 2015 21:14 GMT

#301

On November 16 2015 06:11 FarahBlackwing wrote:
That's what your going to get geript that's my read and idc if it is not adequate for you.

No. I'm going to get more because your answer didn't say anything. Explain why those things make him town to you. Especially off of 1 (maybe 2) games experience.

FarahBlackwing

270 Posts

November 15 2015 21:16 GMT

#302

On November 16 2015 06:12 Trfel wrote:
Best of luck with your surgery, Eversince.

FarahBlackwing, do you have a read on geript?

Should i?

Trfel

7015 Posts

November 15 2015 21:17 GMT

#303

On November 16 2015 06:16 FarahBlackwing wrote:

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Should i?

I asked you first

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

November 15 2015 21:17 GMT

#304

On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote:

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From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him

Alright, thanks.

Will probably have to look at a few Shining maffay games myself.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

November 15 2015 21:18 GMT

#305

On November 16 2015 06:14 The Shining wrote:

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On November 16 2015 06:11 Eversince wrote:

On November 16 2015 06:02 Eversince wrote:

On November 16 2015 05:48 The Shining wrote:

On November 16 2015 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote:

On November 16 2015 05:38 The Shining wrote:

On November 16 2015 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote:

On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote:

On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Hello. I think the proper use of our time is

##vote shining

Statistically it has to be time

100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you.

Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town.
This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia.

180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment

Obviously mafia.

##vote: Farahblackwing

Soooo mafia. Lynch today!

I actually like this a lot.

##Vote: Farahblackwing

What about it do you like? I see a short meta read based off of one newbie game, from a newbie. I wouldn't be nearly this confident in meta reading someone after just one game. And how do you know its even accurate? Did you check the last game or are you just blindly trusting to get on a wagon here?

I don't care if it's accurate - if they're mafia and lying someone will come in and say "Hey that's a lie" and I'll reevaluate then. At this point I'm taking the short meta read at face value, assuming it's true and taking the attempt as a townie attempt to find mafia - one that has possibly borne fruit.

So no, I'm not just "blindly" jumping on a wagon. I like this particular wagon for the reasons given and I like the person who started it, as indicated in my post.

So in other words, you're being lazy and following the word of someone that you've never played with before about someone youve never played with before. Got it.

Now if I go and say that I have a meta read on Eversince because as scum last game she just enters the thread and finds the scummiest looking thing she can and just hammers it into oblivion, which I think she could be doing here, what would you make of that? I want to see more than a short meta read on one person and no talk of other players before I even remotely believe she is town.

I came into thread picking at Kelsier for the argument between him and Moosy. Since I was mafia that game, I knew both where town, but what else to pick at? They had filled several pages of the game with useless rambling. How can you even say I hammered it into the ground? I dropped my Kelsier read in the following night phase. I only held on to Moosy because his lack of content provided an excuse to my mafia self to chase after.

I did play with Farah last game. You basically posted nothing for 80% of the game. She had an irreversible town read on you from early D1. So much so, I wish you HAD been mafia that game. Because if it had been you and not Vonthin, mafia would have easily won that game by killing Rels, and leaving you, Farah, and GB alive for lylo. Because Farah would not have voted you from D1 that game. I mentioned as much in QT about night kills because if Vonthin was left with Farah/Shining he would loss because neither would vote the other over him.

Other than that point, I see nothing wrong with he's done other than ploy at a sarcastical comment I made an hour into this game. Which you point that he hasn't a need to make it. That's true. But don't try to say that I'm playin' my mafia meta because I poke fun early into the game.

4 minutes ago. How am I gone again? Also yeh, I will be vacant most of the following day. I said in pre-game I hurt myself badly. I had a surgery last night, another one in about 3 and a half hours, and a third after that, whenever I show stable again. Sorry the doctors won't pump me full of so much anesthesia, while inflicting massive amounts of trauma, to kill me to do it all at once.

Fishy.

Meh feel better then. I also wrote that post before I saw your post responding to me so its pretty much moot now. The Farrah vote post was the most recent post in your filter when I posted.

And I'll admit that sounded super insincere. Sorry, got a little too into the game. Really do wish you a speedy recovery, and good luck on the surgery.

FarahBlackwing

270 Posts

November 15 2015 21:18 GMT

#306

On November 16 2015 06:14 geript wrote:

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No. I'm going to get more because your answer didn't say anything. Explain why those things make him town to you. Especially off of 1 (maybe 2) games experience.

Sure it said things I remember them. I clearly explained why I think he's town please read it again and ask direct questions on more in-depth things.

geript

10024 Posts

November 15 2015 21:19 GMT

#307

Also if trfel hasn't said at least 1 smart thing by tomorrow we kill him.

Eversince

Philippines2301 Posts

November 15 2015 21:21 GMT

#308

I mentioned in my earlier post, Viscera is null. He sheeped a random vote I made an hour into this game. If he does squat else followin', I'll take issue. Right now I've already mentioned that, while currently not useful, his post don't seem to push him either way.

I haven't,and won't until I get a much better base on people, use meta. I do assume that a WHOLE BUNCH of people do. I've read a number of games on this site. I don't understand everything, but under the assumption that I found him in a few old games on the Team Liquid database, he is one who uses meta.

On those standards, he's not done anything to make him tilt scales. Time will tell...

geript

10024 Posts

November 15 2015 21:21 GMT

#309

On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote:

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Not a huge fan of this heuristic but I can understand where it comes from. I think it's really poor to apply here.

FarahBlackwing

270 Posts

November 15 2015 21:21 GMT

#310

On November 16 2015 06:17 Trfel wrote:

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I asked you first

No I don't currently have a read concerning him.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

November 15 2015 21:22 GMT

#311

On November 16 2015 06:19 geript wrote:
Also if trfel hasn't said at least 1 smart thing by tomorrow we kill him.

I like this. Trfels entrance was a one liner asking you to explain your read. And the posts are worryingly short. Is this the same Trfel that likes to post crazy WoT to start games and do stuff to get conversation and reads going? Because that is the town Trfel I know and this isn't him.

Eversince

Philippines2301 Posts

November 15 2015 21:24 GMT

#312

Also, how was my second paragraph irrelevant. Just be realistic, assume I wasn't entirely feeding the pigeons corn, and understand I was tryin' to appear townish that game. So I was picking at things that I would find questionable as town. You didn't have much of anything until D3? to justify her read on you. Why the 180 now?

Trfel

7015 Posts

November 15 2015 21:24 GMT

#313

VisceraEyes

VisceraEyes makes two posts showing suspicion of The Shining.
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On November 16 2015 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote:

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No townreads = trying to keep options open. Marfia.

On November 16 2015 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like statistically speaking you could just close your eyes and point at a townie, so the fact that you can't trust ANYONE with so many having posted is a huge red flag for me.

After these posts, VisceraEyes treats The Shining like he is town, specifically by telling The Shining how to properly play as town.
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On November 16 2015 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
As for finding scum not town, it's infinitely easier to narrow down your search by correctly identifying townies. This is known.

On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:

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And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3

Furthermore, Eversince's post on FarahBlackwing has a very large logical flaw, in that The Shining hadn't posted at the time. Eversince is comparing a townread based on actual posts to a vote with zero reason from this game, which does not work. VisceraEyes knows much better than this.

This isn't VisceraEyes pushing The Shining, this is VisceraEyes reading incorrectly and flailing wildly at The Shining with words that don't match his stance.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

November 15 2015 21:25 GMT

#314

On November 16 2015 06:21 Eversince wrote:
I mentioned in my earlier post, Viscera is null. He sheeped a random vote I made an hour into this game. If he does squat else followin', I'll take issue. Right now I've already mentioned that, while currently not useful, his post don't seem to push him either way.

I haven't,and won't until I get a much better base on people, use meta. I do assume that a WHOLE BUNCH of people do. I've read a number of games on this site. I don't understand everything, but under the assumption that I found him in a few old games on the Team Liquid database, he is one who uses meta.

On those standards, he's not done anything to make him tilt scales. Time will tell...

But your scumread on Farrah is a metaread?? You said her gameplay here was a 180 from her gameplay last game, which meant 180 in alignment. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's a clear meta read. So how could you say you haven't and won't use meta?

Trfel

7015 Posts

November 15 2015 21:25 GMT

#315

On November 16 2015 06:21 FarahBlackwing wrote:

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No I don't currently have a read concerning him.

Fair enough. I don't have a read on geript either XD

geript

10024 Posts

November 15 2015 21:28 GMT

#316

That trfel post is really, really terrible.

Eversince

Philippines2301 Posts

November 15 2015 21:28 GMT

#317

On November 16 2015 06:25 The Shining wrote:

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I also mentioned that was a satircal statement. Which you pointed to VE leaning mafia over sheeping my vote.

It was an hour into the game, you really think I'm convinced over like 1 or 2 post in a game that's been going over to confirm someone as mafia or not?

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

November 15 2015 21:29 GMT

#318

On November 16 2015 06:24 Eversince wrote:
Also, how was my second paragraph irrelevant. Just be realistic, assume I wasn't entirely feeding the pigeons corn, and understand I was tryin' to appear townish that game. So I was picking at things that I would find questionable as town. You didn't have much of anything until D3? to justify her read on you. Why the 180 now?

Because it was a lot of info and talk about a past game, which has no meaning in this game. Unless you're using it to try and meta her now. Are you?

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

November 15 2015 21:30 GMT

#319

On November 16 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:

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Fair enough. I don't have a read on geript either XD

Hm. I would think geript is town? He constantly bothers ppl into explaining/doing stuff... people explaining/doing stuff helps you get a read on them.

Eversince

Philippines2301 Posts

November 15 2015 21:30 GMT

#320

To clarify, The Shining lurked bad last game I played with.
Farah town reads him regardless.

This game, Farah mafia reads The Shining.
He had not even posted yet.

Yeh! It's completely different play! Buggers! Sorry for pointin' it out!

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