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On October 19 2015 20:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 20:13 boxerfred wrote:This seems like your trying to push this a little too much - just a thought here... I think that's a soft defense or at least that's what I took it for. Also I'm not sure if that was a joke vote. Can be scum casting his vote at first opportunity before he gets nailed on a late wagon or something. I think that interaction is completely nuts if both are scum. Why would scum ever play this way? And I don't think md/scott are players that orchestrate such stuff in their qt. He's talking about the "I always roll town" comment from Moosy, not the push on you. If you're not sure it was a joke vote, you should reread. Because it was. I see scums doing this very well. Doesn't mean it's orchastrated; scott sees a joke vote, attacks Moosy for it, asks for an explanation, and retract his scumread when Moosy explains it. Doesn't mean anything, but certainly doesn't prove Moosy and scott are not scums together.
reread. you're right :/
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im here, gonna catch up. exhausted as fuck since I moved in today. I said that pregame, just to clear it up guys. anything urgent happening?
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As I'm catching up, I'll write down my notes on what I think about certain posts.
On October 20 2015 01:07 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 00:05 Rels wrote:On October 19 2015 23:45 LoneMeow wrote:On October 19 2015 23:29 Rels wrote:On October 19 2015 23:20 LoneMeow wrote:On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote:my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him. ##vote lonemeowEnters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up. On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:GlowingBear is Top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this: On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking. As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a ParanOid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that Has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above.
The Rest of his list doesn't make logical Sense to me but again that is typical GB.
I WanT to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd WanT to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people. If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch. On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote:
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how is this of any value if you already decided he was town? I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that. then why vote me before asking? Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions. Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment? So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me. Before we go any further into this, I want to know: a) Have you read the entire thread or just skimmed some parts? b) What's your read on Rels and why? Can you answer the same question pretty please ? I skimmed some MoosyDoosy's posts, for some reason they give me a headache. So when you answered BF's posts above, you had already read the whole thread ? I started writing it before I had finished but posted it after. Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 00:05 Rels wrote:On October 19 2015 23:45 LoneMeow wrote:And I read you as fairly strong town lean. I like the posts where you refuted Eversince's case on KelsierSC and the points on the MoosyDoosy/Vonthin affair. I'm not sure I agree on MoosyDoosy being scum though, there are some posts that seem fairly emotional in a way that I think would be hard to emulate as scum. For example this: On October 19 2015 09:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of want to be lynched just to see boxerfred's reaction. Him thinking he can read me off of one game is pretty funny. What do you make of boxerfred's switch from me to scott31337? Nothing alignment indicative about the switch. I noticed that his arguments for scumreading you were super bad though. Don't you think ? To me the switch seemed kind of opportunistic, like he was trying to push me and then just jumped to someone else when that didn't stick. Note how all the reasons he uses to call scott31337 scum are already out when he makes his case on me - so it frankly doesn't make sense to me that he'd case me first, then just jump off like that.
That's bullshit. Remember why I voted you in the first place, wanted to play the game you played with Kelsier. I didn't even make a "case".
On October 20 2015 01:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If you read boxerfred's post, it's super awful where he switches between me and The SHining then comes up with a BS reason to try and scumread me. Even before that he blamed me for gif wars when I didn't post any. lol.
Gonna bring that up because I don't want to let this stand. My read on you happened partially on a false prerequisite. Note that while I think you're probably scum, it's not enough to cast my vote on you. I might be bad at persuading people especially since english isn't my first language but I'm able to think. Also it's fun to get this comment from a guy who basically spams all the time and makes the thread hard to read, thanks.
On October 20 2015 01:23 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 01:14 Rels wrote:On October 20 2015 01:07 LoneMeow wrote:On October 20 2015 00:05 Rels wrote:On October 19 2015 23:45 LoneMeow wrote:On October 19 2015 23:29 Rels wrote:On October 19 2015 23:20 LoneMeow wrote:On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote:my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him. ##vote lonemeowEnters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up. On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:
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again where did I say he was town?
reading is really hard for some people.
If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch. On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:
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then why vote me before asking? Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions. Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment? So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me. Before we go any further into this, I want to know: a) Have you read the entire thread or just skimmed some parts? b) What's your read on Rels and why? Can you answer the same question pretty please ? I skimmed some MoosyDoosy's posts, for some reason they give me a headache. So when you answered BF's posts above, you had already read the whole thread ? I started writing it before I had finished but posted it after. Oh yeah ? In this post you both asked BF if he had read the thread properly and asked for his read on me: On October 19 2015 23:20 LoneMeow wrote:On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote:my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him. ##vote lonemeowEnters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up. On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:GlowingBear is Top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this: On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking. As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a ParanOid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that Has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above.
The Rest of his list doesn't make logical Sense to me but again that is typical GB.
I WanT to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd WanT to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people. If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch. On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:53 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:
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no it just says he is wrong. Okay, so why exactly is he scum? Why was the list post bad at the time it was made, besides being a list post? To me it seems much more like town mentality to try to get the game moving in a more serious direction after the "joke phase" as some call it. how is this of any value if you already decided he was town? I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that. then why vote me before asking? Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions. Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment? So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me. Before we go any further into this, I want to know: a) Have you read the entire thread or just skimmed some parts? b) What's your read on Rels and why? You just said you had read the thread completely before posting this. Seems that you missed something ?? On October 19 2015 19:59 boxerfred wrote:Moosy/scott interaction is also interesting because of this: On October 18 2015 06:33 scott31337 wrote:On October 18 2015 05:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also I kind of regret signing up for BH games in the first place. I always roll town in them which is getting super super boring. This seems like your trying to push this a little too much - just a thought here... On October 18 2015 05:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 18 2015 05:25 GlowingBear wrote:On October 18 2015 05:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GB can i bus you again? And there is a QT to discuss this Moosy, you shouldn't be telling that to everyone else welp too late. ##Vote: GlowingBear And a shit early vote. Now he's spamming up the thread. I'm not caring for this play so far. GB is a slight townlean - and that's about it. I don't think this is a scum interaction. Moosy pushes me, scott nullifies that plus points out negative things in moosy's playstyle. So I don't think at all they are mafia together. Scott keeps it up: On October 18 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote:On October 18 2015 06:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I mean. I'll give you guys a legitimate reason to scumread me if you want it. Right now the stuff ya'll are flinging is weak. Explain your vote on GB like I'm five years old. Pressure, questions, and then he drops it: On October 18 2015 07:35 scott31337 wrote:On October 18 2015 07:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 18 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote:On October 18 2015 06:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I mean. I'll give you guys a legitimate reason to scumread me if you want it. Right now the stuff ya'll are flinging is weak. Explain your vote on GB like I'm five years old. I decide to have a bit of fun as GB was my Mafia partner in the game where I doubled bused my partners. As a result, I ask him as a joke if I can bus him this game. GB understands the joke and says that I should say it in the QT. As a continuation of the joke I say it's too late and remark that I'll be confirmed town after the "bus" and then vote for GB. Just was making sure - Thank you. To Shining on the GB read - a bit of meta (I've guessed him correctly the last three games) - a bit of playfulness and making sense. I mean I didn't like Kelsier's entrance persay either, but I was going to wait until later in the day to see if he shows up. I didn't see anything else really worth pointing out when I read the thread. And now he disappears. I mean I can see the things on scott but I can't imagine scum scott and scum moosy interacting in that way that early in the game, it just doesn't make sense. So I'd say we have scum in between moosy/scott but I wouldn't say both are scum. I townread kels and I clearly townread rels from what I see so i'm glad to help on that wagon. ##unvote ##vote scott12345 So you read the thread, you read BF's posts I assume because he's someone you suspect; but you have missed that he townread me ? Do note that I asked him why which was what I was mostly interested in. Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 01:14 Rels wrote:On October 20 2015 01:07 LoneMeow wrote:On October 20 2015 00:05 Rels wrote:On October 19 2015 23:45 LoneMeow wrote:And I read you as fairly strong town lean. I like the posts where you refuted Eversince's case on KelsierSC and the points on the MoosyDoosy/Vonthin affair. I'm not sure I agree on MoosyDoosy being scum though, there are some posts that seem fairly emotional in a way that I think would be hard to emulate as scum. For example this: On October 19 2015 09:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of want to be lynched just to see boxerfred's reaction. Him thinking he can read me off of one game is pretty funny. What do you make of boxerfred's switch from me to scott31337? Nothing alignment indicative about the switch. I noticed that his arguments for scumreading you were super bad though. Don't you think ? To me the switch seemed kind of opportunistic, like he was trying to push me and then just jumped to someone else when that didn't stick. Note how all the reasons he uses to call scott31337 scum are already out when he makes his case on me - so it frankly doesn't make sense to me that he'd case me first, then just jump off like that. Re evaluating is a town indicative thing. It super weird to me that you put suspicion on BF on re evaluating reads, which is town indicative; and not on his god awful case on you. Re-evaluating would be fine, but I just don't see anything in the posts that hints at that; I'd expect a re-evaluating townie to at least note something like "X is still scum but Y looks even worse" when switching from the guy he cased to someone else. I suppose the trap is no longer going to work anyway, so yes, the horribleness of the case was why I originally started suspecting him. I was trying to trap him on you having essentially done the same thing he based his case on me yet calling you town and me scum.
Gonna repeat it, I didn't case you, stop making up reasons to push me.
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I like the case on Eversince a lot. I'm fine with ES/scott and of course Moosy. However I'll be in for a Moosy lynch pretty much anytime. Scott would be the lurker scum but I think it's important to note that he's rather inactive when he's town while there's a really solid case on ES. Decisions, decisions.
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On October 20 2015 01:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I mean, I'll sheep whatever you guys want tbh. For D1 at least.
What a huge fucking awesome useless dumb post. I want to vote you for this. And for your general posting style.
On October 20 2015 02:03 Vonthin wrote:My thoughts on everyone now that I've read their filters. Moosy- Slight scum read, I didn't like his opening spam shitpost crap, and some of the reason Rels brought up after I made my post the other night. He has some posts though where I can see town motivation but the useless posts outweigh them for me. LoneMeow- I think he is town, I see clear motivation behind the things he is doing trying to get reads on people. Sicklurker-Leaning slight scum on him, lots of fluff in his filter, I don't understand his Lonemeow vote, I don't see anything to go on besides him not posting a lot to make him scum. Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 22:44 sicklucker wrote:
like he starts with scott "easy town read"
then he follows up on the next guy "not much to read on" like you could have used that on scott lol. Then he just lists the two easy people as scum Never said lol ez town read or that he was my top read just because I typed his read first in the list., He was just under my list for people who I thought were town for the time. I liked the posts he made and he had no fluff. My strongest town read at the time I made that list was GB. He seemed to made his opinions of me without reading my posts then read them and changed them after someone called him out on his and read them. GB- Still town, I don't see any scum motivation behind his posts. Boxer-- Null still, I understand his reasoning behind his cases but I don't agree with most of them. Has some fluff here and there and his posts/opinions vary so I don't really understand him. Scott-Besides not posting a lot, his posts still read town to me. I understand lynching for inactivity though. Rels- I think he is town, I like most of his posts up un till his recent ones with his case against Lonemeow which I think is a pretty weak case for day1. Farah--Town, Clear town motivation behind her posts, no fluff. Her case against Ever is clear and thought out and makes sense. Ever-- The big thing that leaps out to me in his filter is the big post with all the quote about his case against KSC, was a big jumbled mess and a somewhat weak case. His thoughts are all over the place in the start but It could just be him being new and reacting to the posts he sees. Shining- I think he is town, I like his posts and arguments, has some things I don't like but the things I like outweigh the ones I don't. KSC - He started off looking scum to me but he started to look town since the last day. I like his reads and questions since he stopped posting fluff and being so negative at the start Fecal- Seems scummy, posts seem half assed which shit reads that doesn't give any explanations. Not enough to go on for a Day 1 lynch. Would Lynch: Lurker, Ever, Moosy Needs more posts/convincing: Fecal If anyone has specific questions for me hit me up fast since I have to go to my afternoon classes soon.
How do you read Shining as town? Why is that? I'd scumlean him. Also, how do you understand my reasong if even I say that the reasoning of MD is bullshit? How can you townread scott based that his posts were absurd (as Rels and me pointed out)? Scumlean for you.
On October 20 2015 02:58 KelsierSC wrote:
i'd actually much prefer a scott lynch over ever right now
scott's return has been atrocious
vonthin putting his vote there and trying to keep scott alive looks really sketchy to me.
Having read this, yes. Scott's return is bullshit. However if he'd be scum and if he'd have read the thread before, why wouldn't he just go down the "I'm a low volume poster as town" road? Me and someone else mentioned that. Bad scum or genuine excuse, I have no idea but tend to believe the first thing. He jumps the Eversince wagon but I think that's NAI.
On October 20 2015 03:00 FarahBlackwing wrote:
I think its interesting moosey is blindly sheeping onto boxer who id his biggest scum read currently. And totally disregards case on ever and misrepresents it.
YES YES YES (I fixed that you wrote Moosydoosy in the original post, you corrected in later)
On October 20 2015 03:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 03:02 KelsierSC wrote:On October 20 2015 03:02 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Autocorrect got me, boxer his biggest scum read is on Scott hut he totally just sheeped onto Scott with him. Oh well moosy did say he would be happy lynching scott earlier. Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 02:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##unvote
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sounds cool
So what, lynch scum!boxerfred's scumread?
I'm on page 31 now. Pizza arrived  .
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would lynch between scott/eversince/moosy, would look into glowingbear and fecalfeast since they dropped under the radar, need to check for lurkers. rels/kelsier/farah town, sicklucker lololol no idea.
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add leomeow to the list of "would lynch", forgot that one. also add vonthin as someone who needs to answer my questions.
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which makes perfect sense since I have others valued higher on that list than you. also I won't read the rest I'll go to bed. good night people.
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On October 20 2015 05:00 Blazinghand wrote:Day 1 Vote Count scott31337 (7): KelsierSC, Rels, boxerfred, MoosyDoosy, GlowingBear, Fecalfeast, Eversince, Lonemeow Eversince (5): FarahBlackwing, The Shining, scott31337, Vonthin, GlowingBear LoneMeow (1): sicklucker, boxerfredKelsierSC (0): GlowingBear, LoneMeow, EversinceVonthin (0): Fecalfeastsicklucker (0): GlowingBearboxerfred (0): MoosyDoosyGlowingBear (0): MoosyDoosyNot voted (0): Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends at Monday, Oct 19 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . Voting is mandatory! Voting is done here in this thread. PM the hosts if the vote count is not correct.
rofl I missed the lynch. I'm done. Good night.
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On October 20 2015 04:40 LoneMeow wrote:
Can't figure this out. Sheeping Rels.
##vote: scott31337
People pointed that post out already but I think the really interesting thing here is that this is the vote that hammered scott. sicklucker said he'd be up for shennanies and he was around at EoD - so it wasn't just dumping the vote on scott but it was the vote that did not get Eversince hanged.
Thing is that he pushes Kelsier, backs off, does nothing, sheeps the biggest wagon. I understand that the unvote of Kelsier makes sense, town should re-evaluate. But the lack of participation and the "I do nothing" sheep of Rels is bullshit. I mean the guy isn't active for most of the day then comes in only to say this and back out again? I don't get it. Tbh that's bad scum play as well as bad town play. I expect more D2.
Eversince looks bad but I think it's a "bad town" category of bad and not a scum thing. That brings me to Farah who I insta-townread for the case on Eversince, I think it's decent, well-written and logical. Such a case isn't made by a newbie D1 on a scum partner. So it's either town!Eversince and town!Farah or town!Eversince and scum!Farah or scum!Eversince and town!Farah. We should keep that in mind, if one of them flips scum, the other one is pretty much confirmed town.
The conversation on p37 between Kelsier and Eversince is also quite interesting. Makes Eversince looks bad, again. The only thing ES has going for him is the effort he puts in, I don't think scum needs to do this after the flip happened.
Also I want to put more pressure on Moosy but he didn't spam up the thread anymore and caught decent things such as this.
On October 20 2015 06:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
mmm...Eversince's change in story is vaguely concerning to be honest.
On October 20 2015 06:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:Why didn't you post anything about me at all when you were so willing to lynch me?
I'll refrain from my scum read for now. I actually think Moosy is doing a better job by now.
Here are my reads mirrored in the final vote count:
On October 20 2015 05:00 Blazinghand wrote:Day 1 Vote Count scott31337 (7): KelsierSC, Rels, boxerfred, MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast/ Eversince/ LonemeowEversince (5): FarahBlackwing, The Shining, scott31337 , Vonthin, GlowingBear LoneMeow (1): sicklucker
It is very well possible that scum hides between MD/FF/LM, no matter if both wagons are town or the Eversince wagon was targeted at scum. Since I said above that I refrain from my MD scumread, in this scenario most likely scum should be hidden between FF/LM/ES, pushing the mislynch that town people started.
The one guy voting outside of both wagons (to simply stay unreadable?) would be sicklucker. Wouldn't be bad scum play I think since basically voting outside the wagons is NAI (at least as long as we do not know both flips) - I don't have a strong scumread on him but I don't have a townread as well so yeah. I don't want to let go of the theory of sicklucker being scum and voting outside but the fact that he asked for shennanies says to me that he should be leaned town.
I have a gut feeling on Shining that I need to feed with arguments. Maybe I'll change my thoughts towards him but as of now, I got a scumlean on him. Same goes for FecalFeast, my reads on those two aren't fed with strong facts but are more a gut (and low activity/filler posts) thingy.
Concluding, I think it's very likely that we have two scum members on the scott wagon. The wagon went off decently and was not fought too hard, although the lynch was kind of close.
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Rels said all D1 that he's sure that scott would flip scum, I can understand his frustration. Also there's currently noone around while he's around. It's fun how you contribute exactly nothing D1, then join the thread during night phase and shit on one of my top town reads while spitting out unproven scum combinations. That is either really bad play or scum stirring up chaos. Be welcome among my scum reads, GB.
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Did you read what I wrote?
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On October 20 2015 22:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:not really tbh. I assumed it had to do with killing me.
Lol. Go read.
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GB: "Rels's post is forced"
Rels: "GB's post is forced"
Scum having a field day. However Rels keeps himself to reasoning while GB spits out theories. Let's try to ask questions:
- how does sicklucker/Eversince make sense? Why is that? I can't replicate that.
- what exactly makes sicklucker scum if Rels is scum?
Your ideas revolve around sicklucker who is (to me) the most unreadable guy in this game.
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Okay guys, I'm gone again. See ya in a few hours.
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On October 21 2015 04:55 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 20:37 boxerfred wrote:On October 20 2015 04:40 LoneMeow wrote:
Can't figure this out. Sheeping Rels.
##vote: scott31337 People pointed that post out already but I think the really interesting thing here is that this is the vote that hammered scott. sicklucker said he'd be up for shennanies and he was around at EoD - so it wasn't just dumping the vote on scott but it was the vote that did not get Eversince hanged. Thing is that he pushes Kelsier, backs off, does nothing, sheeps the biggest wagon. I understand that the unvote of Kelsier makes sense, town should re-evaluate. But the lack of participation and the "I do nothing" sheep of Rels is bullshit. I mean the guy isn't active for most of the day then comes in only to say this and back out again? I don't get it. Tbh that's bad scum play as well as bad town play. I expect more D2. Eversince looks bad but I think it's a "bad town" category of bad and not a scum thing. That brings me to Farah who I insta-townread for the case on Eversince, I think it's decent, well-written and logical. Such a case isn't made by a newbie D1 on a scum partner. So it's either town!Eversince and town!Farah or town!Eversince and scum!Farah or scum!Eversince and town!Farah. We should keep that in mind, if one of them flips scum, the other one is pretty much confirmed town. The conversation on p37 between Kelsier and Eversince is also quite interesting. Makes Eversince looks bad, again. The only thing ES has going for him is the effort he puts in, I don't think scum needs to do this after the flip happened. Also I want to put more pressure on Moosy but he didn't spam up the thread anymore and caught decent things such as this. On October 20 2015 06:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
mmm...Eversince's change in story is vaguely concerning to be honest. On October 20 2015 06:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 20 2015 06:21 Eversince wrote:
What change in story? Why didn't you post anything about me at all when you were so willing to lynch me? I'll refrain from my scum read for now. I actually think Moosy is doing a better job by now. Here are my reads mirrored in the final vote count: On October 20 2015 05:00 Blazinghand wrote:Day 1 Vote Count scott31337 (7): KelsierSC, Rels, boxerfred, MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast/ Eversince/ LonemeowEversince (5): FarahBlackwing, The Shining, scott31337 , Vonthin, GlowingBear LoneMeow (1): sicklucker It is very well possible that scum hides between MD/FF/LM, no matter if both wagons are town or the Eversince wagon was targeted at scum. Since I said above that I refrain from my MD scumread, in this scenario most likely scum should be hidden between FF/LM/ES, pushing the mislynch that town people started. The one guy voting outside of both wagons (to simply stay unreadable?) would be sicklucker. Wouldn't be bad scum play I think since basically voting outside the wagons is NAI (at least as long as we do not know both flips) - I don't have a strong scumread on him but I don't have a townread as well so yeah. I don't want to let go of the theory of sicklucker being scum and voting outside but the fact that he asked for shennanies says to me that he should be leaned town. I have a gut feeling on Shining that I need to feed with arguments. Maybe I'll change my thoughts towards him but as of now, I got a scumlean on him. Same goes for FecalFeast, my reads on those two aren't fed with strong facts but are more a gut (and low activity/filler posts) thingy. Concluding, I think it's very likely that we have two scum members on the scott wagon. The wagon went off decently and was not fought too hard, although the lynch was kind of close. Can you explain why the one who start the wagon on a town are town enough to paint green?
I thought his case was good. His points on scott were legit. Thus a town read. Being wrong on D1 is no shame.
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On October 21 2015 04:52 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 20:37 boxerfred wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 20 2015 04:40 LoneMeow wrote:
Can't figure this out. Sheeping Rels.
##vote: scott31337 People pointed that post out already but I think the really interesting thing here is that this is the vote that hammered scott. sicklucker said he'd be up for shennanies and he was around at EoD - so it wasn't just dumping the vote on scott but it was the vote that did not get Eversince hanged. Thing is that he pushes Kelsier, backs off, does nothing, sheeps the biggest wagon. I understand that the unvote of Kelsier makes sense, town should re-evaluate. But the lack of participation and the "I do nothing" sheep of Rels is bullshit. I mean the guy isn't active for most of the day then comes in only to say this and back out again? I don't get it. Tbh that's bad scum play as well as bad town play. I expect more D2.
Eversince looks bad but I think it's a "bad town" category of bad and not a scum thing. That brings me to Farah who I insta-townread for the case on Eversince, I think it's decent, well-written and logical. Such a case isn't made by a newbie D1 on a scum partner. So it's either town!Eversince and town!Farah or town!Eversince and scum!Farah or scum!Eversince and town!Farah. We should keep that in mind, if one of them flips scum, the other one is pretty much confirmed town.
The conversation on p37 between Kelsier and Eversince is also quite interesting. Makes Eversince looks bad, again. The only thing ES has going for him is the effort he puts in, I don't think scum needs to do this after the flip happened.
Also how was the conversation between me and Kelsier later bad?
+ Show Spoiler +Also I want to put more pressure on Moosy but he didn't spam up the thread anymore and caught decent things such as this. On October 20 2015 06:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
mmm...Eversince's change in story is vaguely concerning to be honest. On October 20 2015 06:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:Why didn't you post anything about me at all when you were so willing to lynch me? I'll refrain from my scum read for now. I actually think Moosy is doing a better job by now. Here are my reads mirrored in the final vote count: On October 20 2015 05:00 Blazinghand wrote:Day 1 Vote Count scott31337 (7): KelsierSC, Rels, boxerfred, MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast/ Eversince/ LonemeowEversince (5): FarahBlackwing, The Shining, scott31337 , Vonthin, GlowingBear LoneMeow (1): sicklucker
It is very well possible that scum hides between MD/FF/LM, no matter if both wagons are town or the Eversince wagon was targeted at scum. Since I said above that I refrain from my MD scumread, in this scenario most likely scum should be hidden between FF/LM/ES, pushing the mislynch that town people started.
The one guy voting outside of both wagons (to simply stay unreadable?) would be sicklucker. Wouldn't be bad scum play I think since basically voting outside the wagons is NAI (at least as long as we do not know both flips) - I don't have a strong scumread on him but I don't have a townread as well so yeah. I don't want to let go of the theory of sicklucker being scum and voting outside but the fact that he asked for shennanies says to me that he should be leaned town.
I have a gut feeling on Shining that I need to feed with arguments. Maybe I'll change my thoughts towards him but as of now, I got a scumlean on him. Same goes for FecalFeast, my reads on those two aren't fed with strong facts but are more a gut (and low activity/filler posts) thingy.
Concluding, I think it's very likely that we have two scum members on the scott wagon. The wagon went off decently and was not fought too hard, although the lynch was kind of close.
I don't even get half of what you're saying because it's really annoying to read through a quoted post with strangely placed spoilers. Point out what you want me to answer and I'll answer.
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thing is, why would scum fakeclaim a vig if the vig already shot? it just doesn't make sense to me. you'd exchange a scum member vs. a named town. not sure if I'm willing to jump on sicklucker here especially since others (namely shining and fecalfeast) managed to stay under everyone's radar.
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On October 21 2015 05:30 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 05:28 boxerfred wrote:
thing is, why would scum fakeclaim a vig if the vig already shot? it just doesn't make sense to me. you'd exchange a scum member vs. a named town. not sure if I'm willing to jump on sicklucker here especially since others (namely shining and fecalfeast) managed to stay under everyone's radar. Exactly. That's why I'm telling everyone to not consider SL's claim when analysing if he is scun or not. He could've done it regardless of alignment
saw it now, when I started typing, thread was 2 pages before. I went from "vote him because I dont wanna be in lylo with that uncertainty" over to "wait, could rels be yolo'ing?" to "no wait, vig has one shot" and setup analysis which is bullshit because it has no use for town, scum roles are identical in each setup to - this.
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how about we drop the rels/sl stuff because I start thinking both are town and either follow the first scumreads (mainly eversince) or look into people that dropped kinda under the radar (ff/shining/vonthin)? Or, we set up some tinfoil theory about farah? though I still think we can do an associative read between farah/eversince since she made that D1 case on him which was strong.
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fecal your top scum read right now?
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On October 21 2015 05:40 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 05:33 boxerfred wrote:
how about we drop the rels/sl stuff because I start thinking both are town and either follow the first scumreads (mainly eversince) or look into people that dropped kinda under the radar (ff/shining/vonthin)? Or, we set up some tinfoil theory about farah? though I still think we can do an associative read between farah/eversince since she made that D1 case on him which was strong. What?????
read the following sentence. Eversince flip as scum will confirm farah as town. Everything else can be tinfoilhatted into oblivion.
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