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Vonthin
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How do you read Shining as town? Why is that? I'd scumlean him. Also, how do you understand my reasong if even I say that the reasoning of MD is bullshit? How can you townread scott based that his posts were absurd (as Rels and me pointed out)? Scumlean for you. Besides the fluff posts in his filter he has been doing a lot of things I have liked. He has a lot of solid reads I have liked and agreed with like his one on Eversince. He has brought up some good points and has asked good questions like in the post where he called you out for skimming over the thread and how in the post you had way too much conflicting points in it. Besides his emotional/flufy start his feed overall looks towny and beneficial to the town overall. As for your second question asking about me understanding your reasoning, If you think your own case was bullshit why post it in the first place? Wouldn't a bullshit case be something Mafia would post to distract the thread in useless arguments? I really don't think it was that bullshit though since him being so spammy had little benefit to the game at the time you made your case. This is just you making conflicting points that Shining pointed out. As for Scott I didn't think they were bad enough to lynch him. His posts weren’t shitposts at the time which was a nice breath of fresh air at the time with all the other posts from Moosy and others. He asked some questions trying to get reads on people. I probably should've listed as null at the time with the amount of posts he had but his posts didn't look scummy to me so I had him under my town list. | ||
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Town Rels- I thought he might be scum for pushing Scott so hard but I don't think he is lying with his Vig role claim especially as he is tryharding even with the bad push on Scott. GlowingBear - Has been spot on imo with his town play all game. Always has good questions and leads and has done a good job leading the town in general. Only things I don't like in his filter is when he says I'm voting Scott because not voting for the 2 main bandwagons is a waste of a vote then proceeds to unvote from the bandwagon. Shining - Same reasons I listed in my above post, I don't see him being scum with his filter. Farah - Her Day1 case on Ever was solid. The Day 2 cases and reads are logical from a towns perspective. I don't understand why she would say something like "this lynch is the easiest one for today" or this is the second easiest when she hasn't even read everyone's filter and made cases for the rest? Scum Fecal- Like I mentioned in my above post majority of his filter are just oneliners. He just says this person is scum or this person is town and doesn't even explain why. I just woke up and skimmed the new posts. ##unvote ##vote scott31337 seems fine to me if nobody else sees how scummy vonthin is He never says in his filter why he thinks Scott is scummy besides just having his name under his list. Voting for someone after skimming posts and not even saying why he voted that person not even the "lol im sheeping X" is just plain scummy. Boxer- Lots of big long confusing posts that are all over the place that should've been separated into multiple posts. He makes a case against Moosy then later says it was a bullshit case? Why post it in the first place? Besides his case against Moosy(which he pushes even after calling it BS) he seems to be all over the place with what he is pushing, looks like scum trying to spread chaos to me. Also why ever say "I just scimmed the posts" and then make an opinion, this just gives you plausable deniability when you miss something that could make you look scummy. You always want to post when you have all the information. Ever- Starts off be coming into the thread spreading some shit and trying to make some easy pushes without much strength behind her. Then she just tries to defend herself with excuses for most of her filter. If you are about to get lynched one of the best things u can do is to is try to make solid reads and cases on people so incase you do actually die it will be way easier for us to find the scum if you flip town.She finally started making reads and stuff at the end of her filter which is good though. Slight scum lean for now. Null Moosy - Not too sure about him. He started out scummy with his spam and useless posts but later he starts to have a lot of good posts that I like and will bring up some good points. Wouldn't be surprised no matter how he flipped at this point. SL- Not too sure about him. Before the roleclaim he has looked real scummy for me. Him falsly roleclaiming can mean 3 things for me 1.He has retarded town play 2.He is mafia doing this to look town 3.He is a veteran trying to soak a bullet. I am leaning towards 1 or 3 but can't count out 2 with the rest of his filter. Strongest scum read is Fecal atm sooooo ##Vote Fecalfeast | ||
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Vonthin
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So now that you are starting to get called out for your shit filter you actually start to play the game somewhat seriously and start to explain your cases by posting more than 1 sentence. Interesting. Also dropping my vote so fast by just looking at my last 2 games is a little weird, I mean people generally get better at the game more they play so won't their filters will be different? You noted the difference between game 1 and 2 but are content with my "shit filter" after seeing game 2 and this game are similar? Judging me town by comparing this game to a game that's from 2 years ago doesn't seem a good enough reason to drop your case on me. Feels pretty scummy to switch your cases so fast based off just this. I would like you to do what you do for this post for GB for everyone you think might be scum including myself since you thought my filter was scummy before. Anyways I said he was doing a good job leading town cause his posts most of the time controlled the flow of the game, he raises good points most of the time which leads to good discussions around them. As for 3 town being dead, 1 was from people tunneling the guy with hardly any posts and GB did try to talk people out of it by giving us other cases but not enough people listened. One was by a bad Vig Shot not really his fault there and the last one was the mafia nk which was unpreventable. Not really sure how you can blame him here. Just because a person did one thing that makes them look scummy doesn't make them insta scum. I mean looking at everyone's filters almost everyone has done at least one thing that makes them look scummy in my opinion. Also in the end he changed his vote to one of the bandwagons in the end after he couldn't get enough people to switch. I would like GB to clarify the dropping of his SL vote to Ever though, While I think that Ever was the best case for Day1 I don't understand him unvoting SL when he was quoting a FF post voting for someone? I will give you the drunk posts though, they don't look that great imo as gut feelings are never a good thing to base things on especially drunk ones. | ||
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On October 21 2015 12:34 sicklucker wrote: If we have a cop and you didnt already eversince is the most important flip for vote logic d1 I can't understand the grammar in this sentence. Are you saying the cop should read Ever then roleclaim and tell us the result? Or are you saying that they should've read Ever last night if they didn't. Anyways Cops should never roleclaim so early imo even if they get a right read the first night | ||
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On October 18 2015 05:45 The Shining wrote: Town Moosy was very self-conscious of spam last game. Why the change? Good question that I think a town would ask. I can see where you're coming from with Moosy but why do you think GB is spamming? If anything, I'm more guilty of it than he is. And what is so bad about rolling VT? To some people, its the best role in the game. I mean, would you rather have rolled scum? I'm not really sure where the disappointment is coming from. Another good question This entrance is weak. Scott doesn't comment on anyone else except a slight townlean on GB(who is asking people about Moosy, the only other player mentioned here). He distances himself from his first thought in saying Moosy he's pushing the fact that he's town a little hard but its "just a thought." Then he picks on an obvious joke vote and conversation between GB and Moosy to slight town GB and suspect Moosy? Why is GB slight townlean? Flesh that out for me I mean, was that not obvious enough? Thats what I got when I read it. Did you actually read the context, Scott? Or did you just see the vote? Here I see a towny trying to get a better read of Scott who barely posted anything On October 18 2015 08:50 The Shining wrote: Because I'm bored and no one is doing anything and half the game hasn't shown up. And I've been known to take things super seriously so I'm trying to break out of that and be lax this game. So are you scum? Because that sounds like TMI. How would you know that it's actual townies that are doing the shitposting and causing chaos? On October 18 2015 11:20 The Shining wrote: @Vonthin if that's the case can you be more specific? Instead of being indirect, point out those that look scummy because of shitposting please. Examples would be helpful. Here he is trying to get more information out of me so he can get a better read on me, if he was scum I would feel he wouldn't try to get more info from me and instead just throw some shit at my previous posts. And yay GB is trying to get the game started. Let's see... I agree with the Farah read. I agree that that question would've been better off in the scumQT if she rolled scum and it is a WIFOM argument but the timing of it seemed genuinely curious and not holding back in her questioning of Moosy and GBs jokes is another town point. As far as the tunneling goes, keeping in mind she's a newer player, I could understand the hesitance to look more broadly because she's being asked to do so by GB, who she suspected could be scum. I wouldn't want to cooperate with someone I think is scum, either. Sigh. My openings are always horrendous, especially in town games. Thanks for noticing. The joke phase isn't something I've ever really been apart of and not something I'm a huge fan of, but seeing as how it was the only thing going on, I didn't want to just sit around and not post. I find it a little odd, though, that you pick on my horrendous opening but then find my Scott post very okay. I guess it makes sense if you still have me at null, though. Moosy is pretty null to me right now. His banter is NAI to me and the picking a meta talk seemed like it was just more of him trying to keep the joke phase up but the longer he does things like that without actually scum hunting, the more I'll suspect him. I didn't like the threatening to not care, either, but knowing he has double bussed to win a game before(meaning he cared enough to do so) makes it NAI, as well. Not sure about Kels, either. You might be right but before I go into it, I'd like to know if he was actually serious about that post. Kelsier can you answer this for me? I'd like Vonthin to answer what I asked, too, before I go too in-depth on him but from what I've seen so far, he could just be frustrated town not knowing how to deal with a slow day start. Overall I'd give GB a slight townlean just for making this post and trying to push discussion, as I agree with a few things in the post. GB what do you think of boxerfreds entrance? Why wasn't he included in your list? Here we have a good read on Farah, good read for Moosy at the time, and then asks Kelsier and GB questions to get better reads on them and more information out there which is always beneficial to town. The more information on peoples reads = easier to catch scum Honestly, outside of Rels admittedly good points RE: Scott, I don't really like his catch up posts. He starts off picking on my entrance(just like GB did) and then goes on to say GB might be Mafia. If so, why did he have the same train of thought as him? Then he asks SL for his thoughts on GB, meaning he wants to try and flesh out his scumread of GB. Then he picks on another of my posts which is whatever because I know I always play weird D1s but considering I was looking for Vonthins reaction to that post, I don't like him painting a narrative of me being in a scum mentality. Especially since we rolled scum together recently and he should know that isn't my style. Then he follows up with GB is probably town for his tryhard post. After saying he might be Mafia, and trying to flesh it out with SL, he says he is town off of one post and leaves it alone. Even goes so far as to make a lynch list including myself on it and throws GB on the town list, then asks GB what he thinks of SL? Why is he trying to throw these two against each other instead of asking anyone else? And he completely abandoned his scumread on GB to accept him as town with no interaction, just a post he saw. Brings up good points about Rels, who I thought was scummy at that time before his claim that he was vig. Ew. You know, when you admit to just skimming the thread, my eyes kind of glaze over when reading a WoT like this. Like if you're just skimming, how am I supposed to look at this as anything other than just fluffing up the thread and your filter? I'm not sure I believe boxer is genuine here in his anger at supposedly rolling VT. The bit about getting SL banned is a pointless bit of information and NAI. And there isn't really a way to verify whether boxer actually enjoys rolling scum more. I do agree with his read on Kelsier because he pretty much just rolled over and died/conceded N1 as scum last game but his Moosy read is just weird. Too much conflicting talk. He could be scum or town. Some fluff about gut vs brain. And then he's back to me. So he's jumping around oddly in that post. Of course if I'm the only one in thread with GB, and I used to play SC2, I'm not just gonna be a douche and ignore him. I also said at the beginning of the game that I'm trying out a more lax approach because normally I just yell at everyone. So me bantering should be NAI. It's also pretty damn weird that he'd say I'm asking very specific questions to people but pretending to be constructive. And then back to Moosy. So he went Shining, Moosy, Shining, Moosy all in one post. The two people who have either questioned him or scummed him. And how can their behavior be tying them together if, like Moosy pointed out, you also said one can be scum but not the other? Then chances are they at both town but you don't think so? So you're saying they're tied together, then only one scum, then possibly both town but you don't think so? If you don't think so, and Moosy is your top scumread, why even mention that it's possible that they could be both town? One of my favorite posts of his, brings up good points on Boxer being scum which I agree with 100% Majority of the rest of his filter is just calling out ES for being scum and most of his thoughts and questions to her are spot on and something a town would ask. He also doesn't have anything that jumps out to me and yells scum besides some of the fluff at the start of the game. | ||
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Vonthin
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Moosy- Bunch of fluff all game, hardly any scum reading. Says shit like he is disinterested and would call doc to add to the chaos. Boxer/Ever- Same reasons as before SL- Filter still reads scum to me, don't care if people say thats how he played town in his last games. His roleclaim still confuses me as its either just him being retarded or him being scum to make him look town. FF- Still don't like his filter, it has gotten better though since my post and vote on him. ##unvote | ||
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##vote MoosyDoosy Rels besides my inactivity is there any reasons why you think I am scum this game? | ||
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Sheeping Rel's team? You have thought my filter has been scummy day 1 when no one else has commented and voted for me twice. You also said my filter was still scummy looking even after the meta read and this was before you said Rels scum team looked nice | ||
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On October 23 2015 03:35 boxerfred wrote: Lol I vote Fecal for being inactive and now he's active as shit. Should catch up completely instead of writing new posts. Yeah this is shit, this isn't the first time you have posted and made reads without reading everything which in the end just mucks up the thread and makes you look scummier. | ||
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On October 23 2015 03:55 sicklucker wrote: Lets lynch farah lol Why do you want to lynch her besides not posting recently | ||
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Anyways thats not a good enough reason when we have MD and FF cases which are much better | ||
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On October 23 2015 04:40 sicklucker wrote: Vonthin is just here I dont know one of his reads what read | ||
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Yeah I'm not going to be super active tommorow or the weekend. So if you want to lynch me todays the day. Anyway I don't feel much like reading the game so I'll just go play some other games and come back when I'm motivated. | ||
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On October 23 2015 05:01 Rels wrote: why did he fucking post that. It's the reason everybody stayed on him Him sayin he would claim doctor to cause more chaos for town didn't help either, he didn't try at all to defend himself at all | ||
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