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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 17:48 GMT
#1216
FF is mafia: a timeline event

1. In his almost only big post, he put BF as one of his two scumreads, the other one being GB.
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On October 21 2015 11:48 Fecalfeast wrote:



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On October 20 2015 02:28 Vonthin wrote:
Day 1 reads has always been the hardest for me, my first newbie game I got lynched Day 1 as town for posting like this, the other game I completed my Day 1 posting was also weak. You can go and look.

As for liking Meow I don't see any scum motivation behind the posts. I understand the logic behind them and what he was trying to accomplish by trying to get reads on people and to trap BF that one time, I just don't see mafia doing that D1.

As for Scott I don't think he was trying to scum up the thread at all in his posts, I don't think being lynched for inactivity day 1(unless they didn't post at all or vote but they would get mod killed anyways) isn't worth it because if they get lynched it doesn't give us much info to go on depending on the result since he has given us so little information which would give the scum an advantage and it would be like playing day 1 all over again unless we get lucky and he is actually scum. Day 2 he does the same thing then you can go for him.

Anyways I'm off for class, not sure I will be back before deadline so my vote will be for Ever

##Vote: Eversince

The game where you got lynched day 1 your posts were nothing like in this game. You didn't mkae a single list post in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/430766-newbie-mini-mafia-xlix?user=Vonthin

which honestly if I compare to this game you have been doing a lot better.

but in this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/433102-newbie-mini-mafia-l?user=Vonthin&view=all

you do.

OK by meta reasons I change my read on vonthin

##unvote
question Vonthin: How is GB doing a good job 'leading town' as you say in your most recent list post? If GB is leading town, there are 3 town dead day 2, he is doing a good job? You even note something scummy he did in your read of him but call him town.




Boxer's first game was a scumgame and he survived til endgame with a fairly short filter (11 pages including pre and post game for a 5 day game) and his filter d1 was a mere 2 pages. Not to mention, his filter this game is all over the place. He wants to kill lonemeow, no he wants to kill moose, no he wants to kill scott
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On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote:
my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him.

##vote lonemeow

Enters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up.

On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:
GlowingBear is Top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this:

On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.


This is town thinking.



As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a ParanOid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that.



On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that Has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.


Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all.


On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above.
The Rest of his list doesn't make logical Sense to me but again that is typical GB.
I WanT to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.


So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd WanT to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What?


again where did I say he was town?

reading is really hard for some people.


If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads.

This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch.

On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:53 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:
[quote]

again where did I say he was town?

reading is really hard for some people.


If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads.


no it just says he is wrong.


Okay, so why exactly is he scum? Why was the list post bad at the time it was made, besides being a list post? To me it seems much more like town mentality to try to get the game moving in a more serious direction after the "joke phase" as some call it.


how is this of any value if you already decided he was town?


I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that.


then why vote me before asking?


Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions.

Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment?

So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me.

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On October 19 2015 04:21 boxerfred wrote:
Disclaimer: I haven't read deeply into the thread. I skimmed up to this point. This is going to be gut heavy.

First up, going to bring up the one serious interaction I'm in:

On October 18 2015 06:41 The Shining wrote:
On October 18 2015 06:14 boxerfred wrote:
On October 18 2015 05:45 The Shining wrote:
On October 18 2015 05:44 boxerfred wrote:
hey guys I'm here.


Hi! Are you happy to be here?

Actually no since I rolled VT just like I did in all of my last games ffs and I have moosy and gb spam up the thread although I said pregame that I'm on a limited schedule. actually no, I#m not happy.


I can see where you're coming from with Moosy but why do you think GB is spamming? If anything, I'm more guilty of it than he is. And what is so bad about rolling VT? To some people, its the best role in the game.

I mean, would you rather have rolled scum? I'm not really sure where the disappointment is coming from.

Yes I'd have rather rolled scum or at least blue. It's (spare last newbie game where I co-hosted) the 3rd or 4th consecutive VT game for me. I don't love the guessing in this game, I love the lying. Obviously I prefer playing scum. Also I think I'm better at scum. Last game I was scum in was actually the game that got a 3 game ban to sicklucker because I was tryhard not conceding as the last scum. Good times. Let's get constructive now:

Thus far there's nothing too good to be had. Kelsier is way too active to have rolled scum again given how he reacted last Student Mafia to being scum. MoosyDoosy can be town or scum. I can't read him at all. Gut says "lynch before he misleads town", brain says lynching the (most likely to be) most active player in the game is bullshit.

I recommend to not let Shining slip off the radar. He asks lots of specific questions to specific players, thus far me, scott, kelsier, while the rest seems to be banter such as this:

On October 18 2015 11:39 The Shining wrote:
On October 18 2015 11:27 GlowingBear wrote:
Anyone wants to play SC2 with a complete newbie?

I mean, I know the basic commands, but I suck


I stopped playing when my gaming laptop blew up and I had to downgrade to a Macbook. Now League is all I play


I think that can very well be scum pretending to be constructive.

Also I see that while MoosyDoosy pushed me, GB insta-defended me. Given they joked around about being scum before (as a resemblence to their last game were they were indeed scum together if I understood correctly) it's a behaviour that might be tying them together. Since afaik BH randomizes roles, how high are the chances that exactly the same constellation is happening again? I don't think so. I can see one of them being scum but not both. I don't know what that is worth but I feel like we should keep that in mind. Chances are they are both town but I don't think so. MD pushed me hard, knowing I'm not the most active player. Can be scum pushing a mislynch (he did so already in the one game we played together). MD is my top scum read atm.

Farah feels town to me.

On October 19 2015 03:29 FarahBlackwing wrote:
However I'll end this here and move on.

I think kelsier is,most likely town. If he was scum a good plan would be to let moos and myself spam up the thread when we can't see eye to eye. But he interjects to try to get us back on a different path. I see good town motivation and his dogged questioning and prodding seems to come from town.


This feels genuine. Running out of time (also my finger hurts as fuck) so I'll be gone for another hour or two.


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On October 19 2015 19:59 boxerfred wrote:
Moosy/scott interaction is also interesting because of this:

On October 18 2015 06:33 scott31337 wrote:
On October 18 2015 05:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also I kind of regret signing up for BH games in the first place. I always roll town in them which is getting super super boring.


This seems like your trying to push this a little too much - just a thought here...

On October 18 2015 05:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 18 2015 05:25 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 18 2015 05:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GB can i bus you again?


And there is a QT to discuss this Moosy, you shouldn't be telling that to everyone else

welp too late.

##Vote: GlowingBear


And a shit early vote.

Now he's spamming up the thread.

I'm not caring for this play so far.

GB is a slight townlean - and that's about it.


I don't think this is a scum interaction. Moosy pushes me, scott nullifies that plus points out negative things in moosy's playstyle. So I don't think at all they are mafia together. Scott keeps it up:

On October 18 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote:
On October 18 2015 06:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I mean. I'll give you guys a legitimate reason to scumread me if you want it. Right now the stuff ya'll are flinging is weak.


Explain your vote on GB like I'm five years old.


Pressure, questions, and then he drops it:

On October 18 2015 07:35 scott31337 wrote:
On October 18 2015 07:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 18 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote:
On October 18 2015 06:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I mean. I'll give you guys a legitimate reason to scumread me if you want it. Right now the stuff ya'll are flinging is weak.


Explain your vote on GB like I'm five years old.

I decide to have a bit of fun as GB was my Mafia partner in the game where I doubled bused my partners. As a result, I ask him as a joke if I can bus him this game. GB understands the joke and says that I should say it in the QT. As a continuation of the joke I say it's too late and remark that I'll be confirmed town after the "bus" and then vote for GB.


Just was making sure - Thank you.

To Shining on the GB read - a bit of meta (I've guessed him correctly the last three games) - a bit of playfulness and making sense.
I mean I didn't like Kelsier's entrance persay either, but I was going to wait until later in the day to see if he shows up. I didn't see anything else really worth pointing out when I read the thread.


And now he disappears. I mean I can see the things on scott but I can't imagine scum scott and scum moosy interacting in that way that early in the game, it just doesn't make sense. So I'd say we have scum in between moosy/scott but I wouldn't say both are scum. I townread kels and I clearly townread rels from what I see so i'm glad to help on that wagon.

##unvote ##vote scott12345


At first I had BF as town just for playing the game but his first game as scum he was making big posts with reads and questions so the fact that he is doing such this game is nai. Scumlean on boxer.
boxer: Look at vonthin's other games linked in this post and tell me what you think afterward.

Now that I give glowingbear's filter a good read, I think he could be scum. His buddying up to kelsier after realizing that kelsier was going hard on scott is really scummy to me.
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On October 18 2015 21:32 GlowingBear wrote:
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On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 11:35 The Shining wrote:
And yay GB is trying to get the game started. Let's see...

I agree with the Farah read. I agree that that question would've been better off in the scumQT if she rolled scum and it is a WIFOM argument but the timing of it seemed genuinely curious and not holding back in her questioning of Moosy and GBs jokes is another town point. As far as the tunneling goes, keeping in mind she's a newer player, I could understand the hesitance to look more broadly because she's being asked to do so by GB, who she suspected could be scum. I wouldn't want to cooperate with someone I think is scum, either.

Sigh. My openings are always horrendous, especially in town games. Thanks for noticing. The joke phase isn't something I've ever really been apart of and not something I'm a huge fan of, but seeing as how it was the only thing going on, I didn't want to just sit around and not post. I find it a little odd, though, that you pick on my horrendous opening but then find my Scott post very okay. I guess it makes sense if you still have me at null, though.

Moosy is pretty null to me right now. His banter is NAI to me and the picking a meta talk seemed like it was just more of him trying to keep the joke phase up but the longer he does things like that without actually scum hunting, the more I'll suspect him. I didn't like the threatening to not care, either, but knowing he has double bussed to win a game before(meaning he cared enough to do so) makes it NAI, as well.

Not sure about Kels, either. You might be right but before I go into it, I'd like to know if he was actually serious about that post. Kelsier can you answer this for me?

I'd like Vonthin to answer what I asked, too, before I go too in-depth on him but from what I've seen so far, he could just be frustrated town not knowing how to deal with a slow day start.

Overall I'd give GB a slight townlean just for making this post and trying to push discussion, as I agree with a few things in the post. GB what do you think of boxerfreds entrance? Why wasn't he included in your list?


The joke phase between the three of you was so incredibly unfunny and I would have happily lynched all of you, upon reflection there was probably one mafia trying way too hard. Moosy was just spamming complete nonsense it made me want to give up reading. That was my interpretation of the events up to that point.

(A)GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. (b)Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.

His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above.
The rest of his list doesn't make logical sense to me but again that is typical GB.
I want to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.



Dude, Kelsier, I've been trying to play a good game with you but you insist with this. I have a history of doing "stupid stunts" for some people, but I am playing a very straight forward game since the last one. So IF you're town, actually read my list instead of just saying it's classic GB with illogical reads, because they are far from illogical.

If you have actually read it you would realise I was commenting ONLY on people that had posted, so point (A) doesn't make sense. Point (B): it's a post where I share my vision of what has been posted so far and I ask players to bounce their reads on it. You see, I've seen a lot of alignment indicstive behaviours - which you fail to realise/discuss just to base a read on a joke phase. And the joke phase wasn't even that long. I started playing the exact moment the game started, and you should see it if you actually read my filter.

If you're town, please, play the game. If not, die.

##Vote: KelsierSC

On October 18 2015 22:53 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh okay!
Now I'm convinced

On October 18 2015 23:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Who is mafia with scott, Kelsier?


Which, I'll admit seemed to me like it was sarcastic, especially when followed with
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On October 18 2015 23:17 GlowingBear wrote:
Game is not going well...


Which would be odd since he just got convinced that someone is scum. Rather than expound on what he means by this, he posts some fluff and a while later this
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On October 20 2015 03:31 GlowingBear wrote:
I actually won't be able to catch up, I have a lot to do.

Skimmed a little bit. I'm not sure what to do with Kelsier's answers, it felt townie to me, but I find weird that he says there is at least one mafia between me, shining and moosy but never really pushes any of us effectively - instead, he goes against scott. But overall, his posts has town vibes in it.

Scott came bad to the thread and I agree with the suspicions brought on him.

I don't wish to lynch Eversince since I didn't read his posts. I don't think he is one to be lynched today due to activity, either.

As my knowledge of this ongoing game is limited, I'd go against lurkers. I hate fecal feast/sicklucker wasting their votes. If one of them is mafia, both wagons are town.

That said, I want to vote sicklucker for his lackluster push on LoneMeow. If people don't want to, I'd vote FF. Since I don't think Eversince should be lynched today, I am voting the alternate wagon that did a scummy think.

##unvote
##vote: Scott31337


BUT I PREFER TO LYNCH SICKLUCKER OR FECALFEAST FOR WASTING THEIR VOTES
If people is willing to do so, let me know


So he's convinced by kelsier that scott is scum but would rather vote elsewhere (myself[town] and sciklucker[I think town])
and explicitly says he doesn't want to vote eversince.

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On October 20 2015 03:50 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, I think a townie can only be very tunneled and keeping his vote on someone if they constantly try to convince the rest of town to vote with him. A tunneled person can never be this passive.

And a town not sure if his scum read would be voting one of the main wagobs right now.

I'm voting Sicklucker

##Unvote
##Vote: sicklucker

SO HE MOVES HIS VOTE OFF THE WAGONS AFTER SAYING HE WANTS TO VOTE SL AND I FOR VOTING OFF WAGON?

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On October 20 2015 04:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 20 2015 04:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
I just woke up and skimmed the new posts.
##unvote
##vote scott31337


seems fine to me if nobody else sees how scummy vonthin is


##Unvote
##Vote: eversince

AND THEN CHANGES VOTES FROM SL (off-wagon) TO EVERSINCE

His entire reason for voting eversince over scott seems to be that I am scum trying to save eversince but wait


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On October 20 2015 14:21 GlowingBear wrote:
My drunk senses says that sicklucker is totes mafia
And that FF might be town.

Maybe

So he gets drunk and comes to thread to revert his read on me.

So, coupled with the fact that kelsier died who was calling GB out a lot, which isn't much on its own because kelsier was super towny anyway, I think GB is a good shot at scum today.

##vote glowingbear




Town:
farah
rels
sicklucker
vonthin

scum
gb
boxerfred

will be looking into moose, shining and eversince next. I am leaning scum on eversince just because it seemed really weird that GB would pop his vote on her after saying he would never do so, but only after scott was clearly in the lead to die


On October 21 2015 11:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
Town:
farah
rels
sicklucker
vonthin

scum
gb
boxerfred

He also asks BF to do one thing:
On October 21 2015 11:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
boxer: Look at vonthin's other games linked in this post and tell me what you think afterward.


2. Boxer has made 3 posts after that. In his posts he promised to answer FF's question and didn't, and put suspicions on FF.
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On October 21 2015 19:52 boxerfred wrote:
I like Vonthin's response to my questions, I dislike that he scumreads me. He's not the lynch for today though imho.

Let me bring his scum read on me up:

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Boxer- Lots of big long confusing posts that are all over the place that should've been separated into multiple posts. He makes a case against Moosy then later says it was a bullshit case? Why post it in the first place? Besides his case against Moosy(which he pushes even after calling it BS) he seems to be all over the place with what he is pushing, looks like scum trying to spread chaos to me. Also why ever say "I just scimmed the posts" and then make an opinion, this just gives you plausable deniability when you miss something that could make you look scummy. You always want to post when you have all the information.

I think you refer to one big, seemingly confusing post only and this is a post that is built up quite logically: I caught up, and while I was catching up, I quoted posts that I deemed interesting. I even said that on top of that post. Go have a re-read of that post.
Regarding my Moosy read: I contradicted myself in that read. I was wrong, that's about it. That's why I later said that it was bullshit. I also refrained from my Moosy scumread although it really bothers me that he's not around. So no, I have not continued pushing Moosy, you're misrepresenting the facts. However I still do not have a townread Moosy, although I liked his posts N1 a bit.
Third, regarding the "I just skimmed" case - it was simply honest, sorry if that makes me look bad. Read into that whatever you want, I don't care.

____________


I'm wondering why Farah pushes a MD lynch since her case on ES was/is good. Why the preference now that MD apparently isn't here? Also why that townread on Shining? I don't get the "emotional" argument at all, one can fake his/her meta. Elaborate please. Then again, I wonder why Farah removes GB from her "remaining scum" list. I think your reads of shining and GB are really weak.



I also dislike that Fecalfeast comes into the thread once he's under pressure. Why not do this before? Not interested to solve the game? If so, why not? I strongly think there's scum in between GB and FF, maybe MD but I don't have a solid case on that. I guess MD will break my neck the longer I survive in that game because I cannot tell if he's town or scum but I still have that scum feeling. I had the same fucking feeling in the game we played when he was scum and talked everyone into oblivion, however I was mislynched before being able to get him lynched. I actually have a good grasp on that game, SL and MD are the only ones I don't have at least a reasoned opinion on. That, among with my standing as a townread person, will probably get me shot soon. Well, some casualties cannot be prevented.

Fecal as of now I don't have the time to really look at the games you mentioned towards me. Hold me at it, I'll try to do so this evening.

The lynch should happen in between FF/GB/ES/Shining. I think those guys have the highest chance to flip scum. Second tier lynches are MD/SL(though GB scumreads him which actually makes me rethink that)/VonThin. Don't lynch: Farah. Never lynch: Rels, boxerfred.


On October 22 2015 01:44 boxerfred wrote:
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On October 22 2015 01:39 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Claim and dumb tells.

And not sure should be back today probably at some point.

only mobile here so just a question: you initially misunderstood dumb tells. however you still say sl is dumbtelling. out of all sl? he plays lots of games here.

On October 22 2015 02:28 boxerfred wrote:
yeah okay no ##unvote ##vote MoosyDoosy

fine with any other of my top lynches though



Suspicions on FF:
On October 21 2015 19:52 boxerfred wrote:
I also dislike that Fecalfeast comes into the thread once he's under pressure. Why not do this before? Not interested to solve the game? If so, why not? I strongly think there's scum in between GB and FF, maybe MD but I don't have a solid case on that. I guess MD will break my neck the longer I survive in that game because I cannot tell if he's town or scum but I still have that scum feeling. I had the same fucking feeling in the game we played when he was scum and talked everyone into oblivion, however I was mislynched before being able to get him lynched. I actually have a good grasp on that game, SL and MD are the only ones I don't have at least a reasoned opinion on. That, among with my standing as a townread person, will probably get me shot soon. Well, some casualties cannot be prevented.
[...]
The lynch should happen in between FF/GB/ES/Shining. I think those guys have the highest chance to flip scum.



Promised to answer his question, still haven't done so:
On October 21 2015 19:52 boxerfred wrote:
Fecal as of now I don't have the time to really look at the games you mentioned towards me. Hold me at it, I'll try to do so this evening.


3. FF never mentions BF again. He doesn't show concerns that BF promised to answer his question and didn't. He has too many townreads. He's agreeing with my SL / Moosy / Vonthin team. He's voting SL. To resume: he has dropped one of his two scumreads without explanation.
On October 22 2015 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
yeah es' thought process here is towny too. I just checked my pm to make sure I'm not scum in case I forgot, I have too many town reads

On October 22 2015 18:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
That's not a bad team tbh

On October 22 2015 18:55 Fecalfeast wrote:
##unvote
##vote sicklucker


Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 17:54 GMT
#1225
On October 23 2015 02:31 GlowingBear wrote:
Rels, listen. I'm not dismissing ANYTHING you have said here. Since you're confirmed town I am totally prone to listen to you.

Let's bounce some ideas.

Who are you townreading at the moment or at least you have seen town traits?

You are probably town.
ES is probably town. Don't really know why, she just seems to be always thinking about who could be scum.
I had Fara as confirmed town for pushing his case like that as a newbie, something I have a veeeery hard time seeing a newbie scum doing. But Shining said something like "she knows how I play", implying she is not a newbie. I wanted to ask Shining, but the guy said he would be there in one hour; it's been 15.
Shining is town for now because KSC townread him and he died. Plus he showed up and talked about his scumreads as the third person, which is something he didn't do as scum and got him scumread by Trfel.
BF might be town, I had the impression that he was looking for scum in each of his posts. Maybe I'm underestimating him.

I think that's it sadlY.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 17:56 GMT
#1227
FF what happened to BF being scum ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 18:00 GMT
#1231
On October 23 2015 02:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 02:56 Rels wrote:
FF what happened to BF being scum ?

Sadly, the honest answer is i forgot about him. This is a common phenomenon among those who partake.

No. Townies do not forget their scumreads. He was one of your two scumreads. He answered directly to you, saying he would answer your question later and didn't.
Find me a town game where you forgot about a scumread please. Quotes would be appreciated.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 18:02 GMT
#1234
On October 23 2015 03:00 GlowingBear wrote:
Rels is there any player thsr Moosy CAN'T be mafia outside the townreads you just gave?

No the guy doubled bus in his first game. No assumption should be made about his interactions with anyone.
I really disliked how he went about SL though.
Him: "Rels / SL's situation is so bizarre and NAI, I'll just don't care about the two of them being scum for the moment and look for someone else."
Me: "Well if it's NAI, what is your read on SL withtout the claim shit ?"
Him: "He makes me think about a game where he was scum and I found him. I don't know though".
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 18:04 GMT
#1235
On October 23 2015 03:02 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 03:00 GlowingBear wrote:
Rels is there any player thsr Moosy CAN'T be mafia outside the townreads you just gave?

No the guy doubled bus in his first game. No assumption should be made about his interactions with anyone.
I really disliked how he went about SL though.
Him: "Rels / SL's situation is so bizarre and NAI, I'll just don't care about the two of them being scum for the moment and look for someone else."
Me: "Well if it's NAI, what is your read on SL withtout the claim shit ?"
Him: "He makes me think about a game where he was scum and I found him. I don't know though".

What I'm trying to say is that he has a supposedly scumlean on SL, but eliminate him from the lynch pool because he did something NAI afterwards.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 18:04 GMT
#1236
On October 23 2015 03:04 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 03:02 Rels wrote:
On October 23 2015 03:00 GlowingBear wrote:
Rels is there any player thsr Moosy CAN'T be mafia outside the townreads you just gave?

No the guy doubled bus in his first game. No assumption should be made about his interactions with anyone.
I really disliked how he went about SL though.
Him: "Rels / SL's situation is so bizarre and NAI, I'll just don't care about the two of them being scum for the moment and look for someone else."
Me: "Well if it's NAI, what is your read on SL withtout the claim shit ?"
Him: "He makes me think about a game where he was scum and I found him. I don't know though".

What I'm trying to say is that he has a supposedly scumlean on SL, but eliminate him from the lynch pool because he did something NAI afterwards.

What I'm trying to say is that if he's scum, SL is a likely candidate.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 18:09 GMT
#1239
On October 23 2015 03:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 03:00 Rels wrote:
On October 23 2015 02:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
On October 23 2015 02:56 Rels wrote:
FF what happened to BF being scum ?

Sadly, the honest answer is i forgot about him. This is a common phenomenon among those who partake.

No. Townies do not forget their scumreads. He was one of your two scumreads. He answered directly to you, saying he would answer your question later and didn't.
Find me a town game where you forgot about a scumread please. Quotes would be appreciated.

I'm confused as to exactly what you want me to look for. A time when I left someone off my scumlist because I forgot about them? That sounds easy enough

Yes.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 18:15 GMT
#1242
On October 23 2015 03:14 Vonthin wrote:
Moosy has not posted anything that makes me believe he is town so I am jumping on the bandwagon
##vote MoosyDoosy


Rels besides my inactivity is there any reasons why you think I am scum this game?

No.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 18:17 GMT
#1243
On October 23 2015 03:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 03:09 Rels wrote:
On October 23 2015 03:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
On October 23 2015 03:00 Rels wrote:
On October 23 2015 02:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
On October 23 2015 02:56 Rels wrote:
FF what happened to BF being scum ?

Sadly, the honest answer is i forgot about him. This is a common phenomenon among those who partake.

No. Townies do not forget their scumreads. He was one of your two scumreads. He answered directly to you, saying he would answer your question later and didn't.
Find me a town game where you forgot about a scumread please. Quotes would be appreciated.

I'm confused as to exactly what you want me to look for. A time when I left someone off my scumlist because I forgot about them? That sounds easy enough

Yes.

Is that a joke? You want me to go through 20 games of me being town and scour my own filter to prove that I lack consistency? Fuck off

Yes I would like that.
And there is more than just forget a scumread. You had a meta town read on Vonthin. You asked BF to read about Vonthin to see that he is town. You challenged SL on a Vonthin's scumread, saying "hey prove that my meta read is false".
Then you say "nice team" to a team with Vonthin.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 18:23 GMT
#1249
On October 21 2015 11:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 02:28 Vonthin wrote:
Day 1 reads has always been the hardest for me, my first newbie game I got lynched Day 1 as town for posting like this, the other game I completed my Day 1 posting was also weak. You can go and look.

As for liking Meow I don't see any scum motivation behind the posts. I understand the logic behind them and what he was trying to accomplish by trying to get reads on people and to trap BF that one time, I just don't see mafia doing that D1.

As for Scott I don't think he was trying to scum up the thread at all in his posts, I don't think being lynched for inactivity day 1(unless they didn't post at all or vote but they would get mod killed anyways) isn't worth it because if they get lynched it doesn't give us much info to go on depending on the result since he has given us so little information which would give the scum an advantage and it would be like playing day 1 all over again unless we get lucky and he is actually scum. Day 2 he does the same thing then you can go for him.

Anyways I'm off for class, not sure I will be back before deadline so my vote will be for Ever

##Vote: Eversince

The game where you got lynched day 1 your posts were nothing like in this game. You didn't mkae a single list post in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/430766-newbie-mini-mafia-xlix?user=Vonthin

which honestly if I compare to this game you have been doing a lot better.

but in this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/433102-newbie-mini-mafia-l?user=Vonthin&view=all

you do.

OK by meta reasons I change my read on vonthin

On October 21 2015 11:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
boxer: Look at vonthin's other games linked in this post and tell me what you think afterward.

On October 21 2015 13:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
because based on just this game you look scummy to me vonthin, when I put it with you past games you look much better.

On October 22 2015 12:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 12:15 sicklucker wrote:
vontins most likely scum imo he didnt care about the lynch and I know eversince is town

Are you going for the 'too scummy to be scum' angle here? Can you atleast tell me why my meta read is wrong or is it just based off his lack of enthusiasm?

On October 22 2015 16:53 Rels wrote:
SL / Moosy / Vonthin ? It seems so easy though.

On October 22 2015 18:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
That's not a bad team tbh

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 18:35 GMT
#1273
Man nothing happens for 48h.
The moment we're pushing for FF two lurkers comes out of the wood.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 18:37 GMT
#1277
On October 23 2015 03:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 03:35 Rels wrote:
Man nothing happens for 48h.
The moment we're pushing for FF two lurkers comes out of the wood.

))))))))))))))))))))))))

Doesn't explain your disappearing scumreads. Still thinking GB is scum BTW ? Why ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 18:37 GMT
#1280
Man I thought you were the one being replaced.
Now I know my vote is in the right place (= (=
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 18:42 GMT
#1290
I want to vote Shining.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 18:43 GMT
#1292
On October 23 2015 03:42 Rels wrote:
I want to vote Shining.

Maybe that's not reasonable.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 18:50 GMT
#1308
On October 22 2015 11:40 The Shining wrote:
Ohhhhh goodie I'm getting out of work a little early tonight. I'll be back in about an hr and a half, commute home from work and all. Bbs

I really really really want to lynch that
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 18:52 GMT
#1310
On October 23 2015 03:50 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 11:40 The Shining wrote:
Ohhhhh goodie I'm getting out of work a little early tonight. I'll be back in about an hr and a half, commute home from work and all. Bbs

I really really really want to lynch that

Unless he's getting replaced. It's him or Fara
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 18:54 GMT
#1316
Moosy. Can you play ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 22 2015 18:57 GMT
#1325
OK Shining is probably town then. Don't see why he would ask for a replacement when in the last mafia game we were together he didn't do anything and waited the last moment to post / vote.
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