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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 19 2015 18:16 GMT
#103
/in
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 19 2015 22:06 GMT
#122
##teamvanilla
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 20 2015 09:22 GMT
#136
On October 20 2015 14:30 GlowingBear wrote:
RITOKY

I MISSED YOU


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“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 21 2015 00:51 GMT
#157
On October 21 2015 04:06 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 01:54 Xatalos wrote:
I have zero idea what the last two comments even mean >.>

It is the way of true Chupazi. Meaning hidden within the universal universailty of broken English


Language is but a slave. We have broken her. She has no will of her own, only Chupazi remains.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 21 2015 21:22 GMT
#198
i am bad and plan to sheep the towniest dude/dudette.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 21 2015 21:27 GMT
#204
one time i impersonated BH in a game. i wonder if he enjoyed it.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 21 2015 21:36 GMT
#220
gumshoe might be mafia.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 21 2015 21:41 GMT
#228
On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote:
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On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia.


Why?


poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 21 2015 21:44 GMT
#232
bh sleeping on me winning 6 of my 7 games as mafia on these forums made me die a little inside.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 21 2015 21:45 GMT
#236
On October 22 2015 06:44 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia.


Why?


poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post.


Clear post editing? I agree he's felt a bit "forced" with his entrance.


at start of game mafia more likely to re-read and edit their post than town is. town more prone to be natural. the lines at the end, the changes between capitalizing and not capitalizing, and some other aspects shows he read and edited the post.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 21 2015 21:49 GMT
#239
On October 22 2015 06:48 Xatalos wrote:
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On October 22 2015 06:17 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:06 Vivax wrote:

##Vote yamato77

Cause he complained about flavour.


Because you feel he tried too hard to say something funny, and is therefore making a noticeable effort to try and blend in, or because you consider any anti chocolate agenda heresy?

also

I'm thinking of a general strategy to kickstart this thing and skip the banter.

It usually involves getting on the nerves of some prickly dude.


not a bad idea

##vote vivax


I guess you mean the difference between the earlier and latter part of this post and their style?


On October 22 2015 06:31 gumshoe wrote:
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On October 22 2015 06:19 Vivax wrote:
That's ballsy gumbro


me no play long time / : I'm all pent up, but aside from that, it wasn't ballsy at all. You set the value of the vote. That value is equivalent to that of a hat. Atm voting for someone is the equivalent of storing your hat on a rack. Basically for the first day we all have awesome racks but shitty hats. As the game goes on, our racks will deteriorate, the wood changing from fine oak to base mahogany, but our hats shall grow in splendor. Soon they will be both outlandish and dignified. Not just one flavor, but two in conjunction. Chocolate and Vannila in perfect harmony.

Vivax would you consider yourself a prickly dude?


“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 21 2015 21:54 GMT
#243
On October 22 2015 06:52 Xatalos wrote:
Hmmm... Tbh I don't see the big differences in that post you quoted ritoky.


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“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 21 2015 22:03 GMT
#257
as someone who impersonated BH recently, BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town.

evidence:

as mafia -

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?user=Blazinghand

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463542-cell-mini-mafia-iii?user=Blazinghand

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/449782-yuma-mini-mafia?user=Blazinghand

as town -

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=Blazinghand

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?user=Blazinghand

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461330-noir-mini-mafia-chapter-2?user=Blazinghand

we done here?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 21 2015 22:08 GMT
#262
On October 22 2015 07:05 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 07:03 ritoky wrote:
as someone who impersonated BH recently, BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town.

evidence:

as mafia -

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?user=Blazinghand

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463542-cell-mini-mafia-iii?user=Blazinghand

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/449782-yuma-mini-mafia?user=Blazinghand

as town -

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=Blazinghand

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?user=Blazinghand

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461330-noir-mini-mafia-chapter-2?user=Blazinghand

we done here?


Not quite sure what the bolded means?


generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta.

“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 21 2015 22:12 GMT
#267
On October 22 2015 07:10 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 07:05 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 07:03 ritoky wrote:
as someone who impersonated BH recently, BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town.

evidence:

as mafia -

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?user=Blazinghand

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463542-cell-mini-mafia-iii?user=Blazinghand

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/449782-yuma-mini-mafia?user=Blazinghand

as town -

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=Blazinghand

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?user=Blazinghand

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461330-noir-mini-mafia-chapter-2?user=Blazinghand

we done here?


Not quite sure what the bolded means?


generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta.



Is it really the case that he pushes RNG as town and not as scum? :D If so, that's a pretty ridiculous meta hahaha


i provided the links, feel free to click them at your leisure

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#battraps failed, no1 called me a hypocrite/mafia for intentionally adding an extra line to my post
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 21 2015 22:19 GMT
#272
town in descending order:
alakaslam - lord of chupazi. hasn't posted. looked into his soul with eye of chupazi, have seen truth.
blazinghand - chupazitron 40000, nuker of the brown bunker
ritoky - apostle of chupazi, still in training
xatalos - clicked on filter links
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 05:22 GMT
#464
On October 22 2015 13:27 Chromatically wrote:
and he used the same picture here so I think that's pretty much a slam dunk case.


played 1 game with you, you spent all game calling me mafia for posting nonsense, i spent all game calling you mafia. you were mafia, i was town. so i think that's pretty much a slam dunk case.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 21:11 GMT
#611
damn, sorry slam. didn't know me acting like you at times took the fire out of it for you. i will stop so it can be your thing again. my b yo was just having fun with it.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 21:24 GMT
#620
i think having a child restored some of my faith in humanity and made me significantly worse at this game. i no longer assume everyone is a bastard coated bastard with bastard filling. makes things rough.

advice to all people who wanna get good and stay good: don't have a baby.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 21:27 GMT
#623
On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that?


depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 21:38 GMT
#630
On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that?


depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes.

really?
when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing?


it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely.

it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH:

Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia

Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia

Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 21:44 GMT
#637
On October 23 2015 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that?


depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes.

really?
when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing?


it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely.


It's actually not.
Show nested quote +
Mafia players are lynched 26.0% of the time on day one.
Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 25.2% of the time.
Mafia players are lynched only 16.4% of the time in newbie games on day one, so excluding these games brings the overall day one lynch percentage up to 28.1%!

I believe this is not a newbie game so you are just straight out lying.


2.9% is within the margin of error to where it is negligible. also those statistics include the RNG user including themself in the RNG rather than excluding.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 21:45 GMT
#639
On October 23 2015 06:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
ritoky, where do you stand on gumshoe?


he types walls of text that glaze my eyes over. i thought he was mafia feels at the start, then he gave a respectable read progression on me and climbed up to null. i have 0 strong opinions on him now.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 21:46 GMT
#640
On October 23 2015 06:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 07:05 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 07:03 ritoky wrote:
as someone who impersonated BH recently, BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town.

evidence:

as mafia -

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?user=Blazinghand

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463542-cell-mini-mafia-iii?user=Blazinghand

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/449782-yuma-mini-mafia?user=Blazinghand

as town -

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=Blazinghand

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?user=Blazinghand

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461330-noir-mini-mafia-chapter-2?user=Blazinghand

we done here?


Not quite sure what the bolded means?


generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta.


So you said he doesn't rng as mafia.
Now you said if BH rng's he is 80% town.

Does he or does he not rng as mafia?
Because if he doesn't, why is he not 100% town?
If he does, why is your read on him shit?


read my above post, it is a comprehensive guide to reading BH.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 21:47 GMT
#644
On October 23 2015 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 06:44 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that?


depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes.

really?
when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing?


it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely.


It's actually not.
Mafia players are lynched 26.0% of the time on day one.
Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 25.2% of the time.
Mafia players are lynched only 16.4% of the time in newbie games on day one, so excluding these games brings the overall day one lynch percentage up to 28.1%!

I believe this is not a newbie game so you are just straight out lying.


2.9% is within the margin of error to where it is negligible. also those statistics include the RNG user including themself in the RNG rather than excluding.

there is no margin of error. this is not a fucking poll, this is pure statistics and 100% correct.


not really, it is based on a sample size of games in which there are an extreme amount of variables and variance; there is margin of error.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 21:49 GMT
#648
On October 23 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote
#vote ritoky


not gonna change my vote. ritoky is scum.
good night.

what a bunch of crap he is writing.


says the guy who town read me, then scum read me 12 hours later after i hadn't posted and admits he can't read me. good one brochacho.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 21:53 GMT
#650
On October 22 2015 12:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think ritoky is town tbh


On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.


On October 23 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said:
"BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town."
"generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta."

So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!?


On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 05:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH?


well, not towards me. You're actually being a little more gentle with me, compared to normal. Normally I'd expect you to end up TRing ritoky for that on your own. Maybe it's been some time since we played together, or my edge is getting dull, but I recall you being pretty good at noticing people's motivations.

ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie.

Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it.


nice one bro.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 21:59 GMT
#655
rayn might be mafia cuz of the above change of reads and that he is pushing an agenda with no substance.

he might be town cuz he literally read nothing i wrote and just kept trying to push stupidity.

null, altho BH is the most town in the game and i said i am bad and plan to sheep the most town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 22:06 GMT
#661
town:
ritoky
BH
slam
marv
hopeless

green side of null:
xata
vivax
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 22:12 GMT
#673
On October 23 2015 07:08 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:06 ritoky wrote:
town:
ritoky
BH
slam
marv
hopeless

green side of null:
xata
vivax


Slam and Hopeless are town why?


slam cuz my secret meta read on him that hasn't failed me and is way better than the chupazi/hjole read.

hopless cuz he has the funniest post in the thread imo when he said "can you tldr your tldr".
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 22:17 GMT
#680
On October 23 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.

i thought you told me ritoky was town?

yeah that was yesterday.


On October 23 2015 06:53 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 12:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think ritoky is town tbh


Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.


Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said:
"BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town."
"generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta."

So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!?


Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH?


well, not towards me. You're actually being a little more gentle with me, compared to normal. Normally I'd expect you to end up TRing ritoky for that on your own. Maybe it's been some time since we played together, or my edge is getting dull, but I recall you being pretty good at noticing people's motivations.

ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie.

Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it.


nice one bro.


respond.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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October 22 2015 22:21 GMT
#688
On October 23 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.

i thought you told me ritoky was town?

yeah that was yesterday.


On October 23 2015 06:53 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 12:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think ritoky is town tbh


On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.


On October 23 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said:
"BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town."
"generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta."

So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!?


On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH?


well, not towards me. You're actually being a little more gentle with me, compared to normal. Normally I'd expect you to end up TRing ritoky for that on your own. Maybe it's been some time since we played together, or my edge is getting dull, but I recall you being pretty good at noticing people's motivations.

ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie.

Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it.


nice one bro.


respond.

no


y'know, gonna be honest here. you're the most underwhelming player that people tell me is good on these forums. i just don't see it; maybe i am the one who is so bad i can't comprehend your greatness; but i don't think that's the case.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 22:26 GMT
#693
On October 23 2015 07:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:21 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.

i thought you told me ritoky was town?

yeah that was yesterday.


On October 23 2015 06:53 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 12:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think ritoky is town tbh


On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.


On October 23 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said:
"BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town."
"generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta."

So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!?


On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH?


well, not towards me. You're actually being a little more gentle with me, compared to normal. Normally I'd expect you to end up TRing ritoky for that on your own. Maybe it's been some time since we played together, or my edge is getting dull, but I recall you being pretty good at noticing people's motivations.

ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie.

Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it.


nice one bro.


respond.

no


y'know, gonna be honest here. you're the most underwhelming player that people tell me is good on these forums. i just don't see it; maybe i am the one who is so bad i can't comprehend your greatness; but i don't think that's the case.

I don't talk to people who i think are mafia or will not understand me anyways.


i think i am content ignoring everything you say in every game going forward; it doesn't have much value or good reason in it anywayz.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 22:27 GMT
#696
On October 23 2015 07:24 Xatalos wrote:
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On October 23 2015 07:21 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.

i thought you told me ritoky was town?

yeah that was yesterday.


On October 23 2015 06:53 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 12:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think ritoky is town tbh


On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.


On October 23 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said:
"BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town."
"generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta."

So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!?


On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH?


well, not towards me. You're actually being a little more gentle with me, compared to normal. Normally I'd expect you to end up TRing ritoky for that on your own. Maybe it's been some time since we played together, or my edge is getting dull, but I recall you being pretty good at noticing people's motivations.

ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie.

Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it.


nice one bro.


respond.

no


y'know, gonna be honest here. you're the most underwhelming player that people tell me is good on these forums. i just don't see it; maybe i am the one who is so bad i can't comprehend your greatness; but i don't think that's the case.


Well it's quite possible he may just be scum this game. In fact I'm leaning in that direction right now. He can be great as town.


it's an opinion gathered over many games; not just this one.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 22:29 GMT
#699
also rayn, your read on chroma is bullshit. "most reasonable person in the game". you were arguing against him that i was town, and his literal only other opinion is that yamato is town. juzzayin.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 23 2015 19:26 GMT
#1217
alright. here and ready to sheep. who am i sheeping?
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 23 2015 19:37 GMT
#1235
reading the thread...wondering what happened to BH the 2nd half of this phase.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 23 2015 19:38 GMT
#1237
On October 24 2015 04:36 marvellosity wrote:
just found a joint i rolled earlier and then lost

excellent news


drugs and smoking are bad for your health.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 23 2015 19:39 GMT
#1241
oh hey he is coming back into the thread where i am at, less worried now.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 23 2015 19:40 GMT
#1243
On October 24 2015 04:38 marvellosity wrote:
yes but you scumside so that should make you tihnk he is mafia

ritoky: i know, but lots of fun things are bad for your health


as a nurse, some obligation inside of me; y'know?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 23 2015 19:42 GMT
#1246
so people wanna lynch slam cuz he scum read rayn and marv says so? is that really it? was waiting for more to this but it doesn't ever really come along. maybe it is in rayn's posts, i skipped those.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 23 2015 19:52 GMT
#1254
gumshoe you keep re-iterating how you don't think i am town anymore. being afk is not alignment indicative (harsh lessons were recently learned about this), and you should really stop trying to soft set up mislynches in the future, someone might notice how mafia you are.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 23 2015 20:00 GMT
#1262
bh being very sexy to me again right now. probably gonna sheep him.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 23 2015 20:10 GMT
#1274
On October 24 2015 05:07 gumshoe wrote:
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On October 24 2015 04:52 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe you keep re-iterating how you don't think i am town anymore. being afk is not alignment indicative (harsh lessons were recently learned about this), and you should really stop trying to soft set up mislynches in the future, someone might notice how mafia you are.


Funny how your circling back around to me as a suspect the moment I turn against you. Cute, also as the master of afk, I can tell you there are dif kinds, and the one where you disappear because thread sentiment isnt against you and then return to ask "sup guys who we lynching?" at deadline is pretty shitty.


you should try wearing a skirt, it would make your legs look more enticing.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 23 2015 20:18 GMT
#1284
##vote: alakaslam

cuz BH said so.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 23 2015 20:20 GMT
#1288
On October 24 2015 05:12 gumshoe wrote:
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On October 24 2015 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you too gumshoe. amek up your mind and stop talking about irrelevant things.


I think Yamato Ritoky plus maybe onegu/hopeless are scum.

and I think the lynch onto you and slam is retarded and it seems like a super dumb lynch ethier way.

thats is the format in which my mind is made up.



low post count = scum.

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rip jon stewart, i already miss you so much
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 23 2015 20:23 GMT
#1294
On October 24 2015 05:21 Xatalos wrote:
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On October 24 2015 05:16 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 24 2015 01:32 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 24 2015 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 24 2015 01:10 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 24 2015 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
Surefire ways to get lynched:

1) Tell marv he cant do it.

Sure fire way to disappointment: try to lynch an enigma on day 1.

With regard to your other question, there is irony; Marv missed the fact that I don't much like your posting this game either.

In fact, read my pages. Answer my question so that I can answer yours more fully? Would be interesting



So I assume this is the issue
On October 23 2015 16:08 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
ritoky, where do you stand on gumshoe?

More of this hopeless?

How is this helping your reads?


ritoky had an early "textbook" mafia read of gumshoe (as per chromatically), gumshoe posted more, I wanted to know where ritoky's read ended up because he hadnt updated it and needed to be prompted a couple times. In general, my reads for those three are gumshoe>chromatically>ritoky (in order of townyness)


This makes sense.

Alright.

As for where I am, I just made a post on Marv suspecting chroma, and am starting to think Marv may just be off on reading me specifically and trying to see his pov with less bias.

So

There is that. BH is someone I would not lynch. I wouldn't lynch ritoky either. I am voting Rayn short of a better alternative, was dead certain but I still recognize that Marv is better than I am at this. He may be scum, but that is based pretty heavily on whether or not Rayn is and I flipped associations are newbie textbook level bad.

This issue is my primary focus, you were my secondary and I had no tertiary.


In general, Slam's buddying of me makes me pretty nervous cause at this point in time there's no particular reason to townread me

On October 24 2015 01:39 Xatalos wrote:
Tbh my current scumteam would be rayn/marv/Chromatically, but I'm pretty sure I'm wrong on at least one. There are too many people who have done barely anything (Onegu/Hopeless mainly I think, and several others haven't done much later in the day). It's pretty likely there could be scum among that group.


yeah i feel no reason to pay attention to you atm if that's your theory. marv obv town



On October 24 2015 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is the first thing that made me think Slam is mafia (after my initial vote -- that was really just for PoE and for pressure):

Here is a post Slam makes:
On October 22 2015 15:25 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 22 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 13:27 Chromatically wrote:
and he used the same picture here so I think that's pretty much a slam dunk case.


played 1 game with you, you spent all game calling me mafia for posting nonsense, i spent all game calling you mafia. you were mafia, i was town. so i think that's pretty much a slam dunk case.

I was lampshadinf this idea.

There is no case in the post chroma made.

Also Rayn, you throwing your vote away is suspicious. You know I am unlynchable until Lylo, why are you parking your vote on LHF?


This is however not what he thinks as town. This is what he thinks as town:
On September 04 2015 06:19 Alakaslam wrote:
I will be universally town read:

All game if town

Until day 2 if scum


Therefore his "defense" on himself makes sense from scum perspective, as he thinks noone can catch him if he is scum. It also makes him "being able to do whatever he wants".

He later on decides i am scum for:
On October 23 2015 16:14 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 23 2015 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 16:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I seriously don't understand why I'm being scumread.

Could you please enlighten me?

Because you are pushing a bad reasoned read.
Because the way you defend yourself is exactly what you do as scum.
Because you said you reda the thread but you actually didn't, not even close.

Rayn, you are filling your "everyone else is so scum j can't decide" scum meta

this is not what i am doing, however much Xatalos wants to claim so. It doesn't make it true.

On October 23 2015 16:19 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:05 yamato77 wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:02 Xatalos wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:52 yamato77 wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
So instead of what's stupid, what do you think is... scummy/towny?

I liked marv's pressure of GB. I had issue with what GB posted myself and it makes me feel better about him.

GB, on the other hand, hasn't posted anything outside of what I believe he could post as mafia, so I'm still quite suspicious of him.


Hm... I guess I agree. Though doesn't your last sentence make him null instead of suspicious?

No, it makes him suspicious.

yamato i am pretty sure GlowingBear is town here. Basically he says really scummy shit that makes absolutely no sense as mafia, because he doesn't really know what to do at all (i assume). Here he has some sort of a thought process going on in his head. Basically it's highly unlike he is scum here.

Same goes for Hopeless, he tried to do stuff. He is just doing it in his own way that looks scummy to basically everyone.. always.

I am really really sure ritoky is mafia. I am also quite sure Slam is scum because of process of elimination. Xatalos is probably just really fucking dumb atm, but at least his explanation to BH thing makes some sense, unlike ritoky's. ritoky basically argues that Blazinghand is town based on illogical arguments, or arguments that are easily proven wrong. Like even if he believes those arguments are true the read is shit and arguing the read is good for those things is something that a townie never does.

Last scum is probably Blazinghand or Onegu. I kinda think it's Onegu atm, since Blazinghand seems to be trying to do something and getting something out of his shennies at the start of the game. I don't believe gumshoe is scum, basically his reacation towards me doesn't make any sense as mafia. He is right in that i suually pressure him every game we are in and i know he acts differently when he is scum than when he is town. I just don't see him being scum here.

Vivax is basically his own paranoid town self with a portion of good logical thoughts. marv is almost definitely town. you are almost definitely town. Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests.

Opinion all over the place

this is not "opinion all over the place". It's a very clear post that follows my filter and my thought process 100%. There is nothing "all over the place" here. Literally.

On October 23 2015 16:30 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that?


depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes.

really?
when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing?


it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely.

it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH:

Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia

Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia

Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town

rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky".

Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game.

There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because:
1) His read on BH is bad.
2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment.

So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me.

See you don't do this stuff as town

Now this is the most interesting part. Again i have literally done the same thing in my last two games:
Battle of the Drams - where i ignored GlowingBear's and rsoultin's posting until they started saying something interesting / scummy -- that's what i have been doing lately because i don't want to argue with everyone and i can actually trust certain players' reads on them.
Firefly - where i ignored GlowingBear (until yamato called him sure scum) and Cake -- for similar reason than in Drams.

Now Slam even played in the earlier game and i actually did many 180's in that game, i even flip-flopped my read on himself for like two days, because i couldn't decide if he is mafia or not. The point here is Slam should know i do the stuff he claims i am mafia for as town -- and says i don't do it.

Not gonna fly Slam, you're scum.


Slam's theory on his lynch time as well as his "critique" of your post are both way off. It's possible at the time (and at this point, as far as people knew, I was gonna be on Rayn like a dog on an ass-flavored biscuit) he thought he could roll into the wagon I was driving and hide.

Although I think it's more telling that ritoky had been in cell than any of this other stuff, rayn's reaosning seems solid and slam's meta case seems wrong. So I'm gonna say "slam is one hundo percent wrong on rayn, and kinda obviously wrong, and also lying about his own meta".

I like where this case is going. I'm dropping down a vote on slam tentatively until I'm caught up.

##vote: Alakaslam


I already said that I can tentatively buy your meta case, though. How should I know that marv has been not playing as scum in his last games? I haven't seen those games. I don't see how me not being all-knowing of recent games makes me not worth listening to at all.

If that's your decision, then I guess it's hard to overturn the lynch at this point... But it's still one of the worse lynches available, so it's kind of sad. The scumteam would have to be something stupid like Slam/gumshoe/GB or Slam/gumshoe/ritoky or Slam/GB/ritoky for it to make real sense. None of those teams are likely at all, and every potential scum candidate voted for Slam quickly when the opportunity came.


yo bro. if you're town you should like come back to earth and think simpler and with more clarity rather than living in the sky with them unflipped associative reads on d1.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 23 2015 20:26 GMT
#1300
On October 24 2015 05:25 gumshoe wrote:
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On October 24 2015 05:20 ritoky wrote:
On October 24 2015 05:12 gumshoe wrote:
On October 24 2015 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you too gumshoe. amek up your mind and stop talking about irrelevant things.


I think Yamato Ritoky plus maybe onegu/hopeless are scum.

and I think the lynch onto you and slam is retarded and it seems like a super dumb lynch ethier way.

thats is the format in which my mind is made up.



low post count = scum.

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Def don't mean town too. This meta argument against slam is pretty sils. You also match my fantasy mafia team so thats mostly why I wanna see you die ) :


i am glad i live in your fantasies. only 1 other person has told me that before and i married her and knocked her up.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 23 2015 20:28 GMT
#1303
On October 24 2015 05:27 Xatalos wrote:
It looks like the lynch is set... Well, it doesn't make much sense for Slam to flip scum with this vote progression, and it makes all the more sense for rayn to be scum (with Slam being the scum counter-wagon).

marv, how is competence decided by the games which you have played? That's the same as calling you incompetent because you didn't play in the VS games.


do you think BH is scum?
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 23 2015 20:31 GMT
#1310
On October 24 2015 05:28 Xatalos wrote:
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On October 24 2015 05:28 ritoky wrote:
On October 24 2015 05:27 Xatalos wrote:
It looks like the lynch is set... Well, it doesn't make much sense for Slam to flip scum with this vote progression, and it makes all the more sense for rayn to be scum (with Slam being the scum counter-wagon).

marv, how is competence decided by the games which you have played? That's the same as calling you incompetent because you didn't play in the VS games.


do you think BH is scum?


Not really, why?


if you're thinking unflipped associations; i would assume you have considered: BH pushes his RNG lynch really hard when he is town doing it -> he RNG'd rayn -> rayn is in legitimate threat of being lynched -> BH stops pushing for rayn, says sad about TR him -> pushes on slam.

i would feel like you would be sketched out a bit by BH's progression if you think rayn is so firmly mafia. certainly way more than marv's progression.
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ritoky
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October 23 2015 20:33 GMT
#1316
as town BH pushes hard for his RNG target and doesn't stop historically. if xata thinks rayn is scum, shouldn't BH pulling off the gas be alarming to him? or at least more alarming than marv who TR rayn all game.

is the simplified version
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ritoky
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October 23 2015 20:37 GMT
#1324
On October 24 2015 05:36 marvellosity wrote:
i retract my townread on xata out of spite at how terrible he's being


can i have his spot bbgurl? i want free candy.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 23 2015 20:48 GMT
#1349
i am committed to my course.

##unvote
##vote: onegu
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ritoky
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October 24 2015 01:02 GMT
#1454
xata is right about this. slam was the least chupazi he has been in recent games. he was in fact significantly more serious than normal resulting in an around a 50% serious post rate which is astounding for him. as desperate as i am to try and ignore everything rayn posts, when he posts for 3 straight pages....anywayz his reaction is overblown and worthless.

+ Show Spoiler +
at least my meta read on slam is still perfect
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ritoky
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October 24 2015 09:14 GMT
#1468
current opinion of my child:

[image loading]
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ritoky
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October 24 2015 09:20 GMT
#1472
that's one bizarre fucking read gumshoe just gave on me. of all the reasons to town read me, sheeping BH and then forgetting to come back and see if there were further shenanies after i used the bathroom seems low on the totem pole.

i would have gone with something like "ritoky is town cuz he is funny" or "ritoky is town cuz he didn't try to lynch any1 day 1" or content based stuff. hard to grasp a reason why he would forcibly flip flop on me constantly as mafia especially over such a weird thing. never played with him before i don't think...he might actually be town. serious slam's read might be right.

but what do i know, it's like 2:30 and i was awoken by a crying child.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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October 24 2015 09:24 GMT
#1478
if i were the sole vote to lynch tomorrow, as of now it would be between yamato, rayn, and GB.

rayn cuz i am basically not reading what he types and his reads sucked.
yamato cuz he is hovering around the fringes of the game, or maybe that's just my perception.
GB cuz i have played a lot with him and he has no strong opinion on me, and actually i would say he seems to be actively avoiding talking about me; i feel he should have a stronger opinion. he is top disappointment atm.

if i were in magical vigi land i would probably shoot onegu cuz yolo free info.
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ritoky
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October 24 2015 09:28 GMT
#1481
chrom seemed mafia to me cuz he couldn't take a joke, and his mafia case on me was "I'M SUPER SRS, YOU'RE NOT SUPER SRS, WHAT'S THIS GUY'S PROBLEM? OMG MAFIA~~~~ DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND HIM? HE SPEAKS IN TONGUES!@?!@?!@?!@>>!" but i am hesitant cuz effort level and actual cases and re-evaluating and blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh makes me not wanna commit to a read on him cuz i am a bitch.
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ritoky
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October 24 2015 09:33 GMT
#1486
y'know marv, tbh i know i had that one big ass fight with you in a mafia thread cuz i felt you were being an elitist snob; but ever since then you've grown on me. i don't mind playing with you and you have your moments, i just think if we're on a mafia team together it is water and oil.

being tired and sentimental and emotive over internet people? who the fuck am i right now?
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ritoky
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October 24 2015 09:37 GMT
#1491
On October 24 2015 18:35 marvellosity wrote:
i'm not much of a grudgeholder, ritoky :p


i hold grudges for like 3 months then i lack sufficient brain space to remember them. enough people yell @ you in an ER and you forget a lot of things. like sometimes you call come home and say "hey youtube, i am home"
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ritoky
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October 24 2015 09:39 GMT
#1495
On October 24 2015 18:37 Xatalos wrote:
Well, it'd be nice to get an answer to my main questions before the deadline still.

1) WHY is rayn town based on meta?

2) What would be your "last will" (lynchlist) after all this? I guess it's fine if you answer this one closer to deadline.


1) marv has a meta read on rayn, he isn't going to tell you it because it would tip his hand to rayn in future games and he prides himself on his meta read which to some degree requires rayn to not know exactly what it is and fake it (my read on slam and damdred is the same)

2) if marv is going to do this, he will do it near the deadline and without you on his nuts.

as a spokesperson for marv inc. i can verify he supports these messages.
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ritoky
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October 24 2015 09:42 GMT
#1499
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ritoky
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October 24 2015 09:46 GMT
#1502
On October 24 2015 18:44 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 18:39 ritoky wrote:
On October 24 2015 18:37 Xatalos wrote:
Well, it'd be nice to get an answer to my main questions before the deadline still.

1) WHY is rayn town based on meta?

2) What would be your "last will" (lynchlist) after all this? I guess it's fine if you answer this one closer to deadline.


1) marv has a meta read on rayn, he isn't going to tell you it because it would tip his hand to rayn in future games and he prides himself on his meta read which to some degree requires rayn to not know exactly what it is and fake it (my read on slam and damdred is the same)

2) if marv is going to do this, he will do it near the deadline and without you on his nuts.

as a spokesperson for marv inc. i can verify he supports these messages.


I don't really approve of this. I think it's the same as playing bad on purpose to make your future scum games easier.

However, I can somewhat approve waiting until close to deadline for read posts. It's just that I'd like to be able to read them before I die... Or well, if I don't, then I'll have to reconsider some things.


yeah but you see, since i found my slam meta read it has been 100% right. and my damdred n1 read is like 13/14...so uhhhh if it yields bonerific results then i approve. it's not like if i really think rayn is mafia with compelling reasons that marv saying "BUT GAIS, META READ" is gonna do anything to stop me getting rayn lynched for good reasoning.
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ritoky
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October 24 2015 09:49 GMT
#1503
i don't even understand why this is such a deal, marv is like the easiest scum read on the face of the earth; it is widespread knowledge. you just wait until a random point between day 2 and day 4 when he is still alive, then you ask yourself "has marv led a lynch on mafia? and does marv actually give 2 shits about this game right now?" if both are no, voila he is mafia.

wow, dat shit so cray. hell....isn't there even a marv flow chart that is like 85% accurate?
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ritoky
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October 24 2015 09:58 GMT
#1506
well i am dumpster tier, so if he is amazing scum this game i am gonna lose simply on the fact that there's 12 levels between us and i need to be carried to even glimpse his upskirt.

otherwise i am gonna stick to my gutter tier guns. trust the big dogs who can see the forest to find the 2 obvious mafia while i sheep them, meanwhile i will shepherd them away from lynch bait and toward the sneakster mafia i will eventually find and pummel to oblivion.

or i will just get carried to a loss/win like always.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 24 2015 10:07 GMT
#1508
i sheep'd bh until i took a poop and didn't come back. that may of may not have been a good choice, but i felt good about it at the time. it's less good if rayn is mafia. cuz derpa derpa unflipped assoc.

anywayz my mandatory 30 minutes of making sure my kid is okay after it woke me up has eclipsed. i leave you with this funny picture of a robot to put you in better spirits.

[image loading]

cya nerds, let me know who has the largest dick later kay?
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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October 24 2015 22:36 GMT
#1595
i mean, to me this just tells me you guys haven't clicked my filter. please stop ascribing motives to me and why i did things around the vote. my first post is "i am bad, and plan to sheep the towniest dude/dudette". yes it was pre-planned. yes i was doing it regardless of alignment. yes i felt BH was most town last phase. it's a real pointless discussion since i am 5000% town and everyone knows it.
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ritoky
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October 24 2015 22:40 GMT
#1597
On October 25 2015 07:12 Xatalos wrote:
Maybe I'll take a break from TL Mafia after this for a while...

There's a bit too much drama for some reason. The Vendetta Strada games were all very enjoyable, and Diplomacy games are generally very enjoyable too, but they were full of drama and rage in the TL Diplomacy games. At least the later ones, the first ones were fine.

Why does it have to go into issues of personality and ad hominem.


to be fair you instigated a lot of it yourself or if you don't want to talk that level of culpability you harbored a portion of it yourself. mafia is a game of people who wanna have big dicks, egos get bruised every game and if they aren't being bruised than tbh ppl aren't playing hard enough.

but then there are anomalies like me who understand their penis is small and have adjusted their life accordingly.
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ritoky
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October 24 2015 22:43 GMT
#1598
i remember thinking hopeless was town cuz he kept prodding me and was funny. what happened to that guy? did he die irl?
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ritoky
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October 24 2015 22:43 GMT
#1599
dear GB, give a read on me; with details!

thanks bae
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ritoky
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October 24 2015 22:47 GMT
#1601
o i see how it is, talk about me behind my back, then i show up and every1 all scurred; i go take a shower so you scoundrels can talk.
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ritoky
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October 24 2015 22:48 GMT
#1602
On October 25 2015 07:46 Onegu wrote:
WTF WTF WTF OMG OMG OMG OMG

MCDONALDS SERVES BREAKFAST ALL DAY LONG NOW?!?!?!?!?!???!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!?!??!?!?!

HOLYFUCK MY LIFE IS NOW COMPLETE!!!!!!!


still limited locations. you shouldn't eat that stuff though, you'll cut 10 years off your life.

#ritokylifeadvice
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ritoky
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October 24 2015 23:17 GMT
#1611
so i just read hopeless' filter. here's a list of people he has given reads on:
rayn
marv
gumdrop

concerning.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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October 24 2015 23:18 GMT
#1612
also after considering things in the shower i am 76.41% certain gumdrop is lynch bait. i might just start lynching people who put him in a scum or poe list.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 24 2015 23:22 GMT
#1615
i am pretty much here:

ritoky

chroma
gumdrop
vivax

xata
bh
onegu

rayn
yamato
gb
hopeless
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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October 24 2015 23:23 GMT
#1617
i stopped being a bitch while i slept and called chroma town

#dealwithit
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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October 24 2015 23:27 GMT
#1619
idk how other people don't see this. rayn got mad cuz blah blah blah slam is a troll. go click slam's filter in this game versus 90% of his other games. if you're gonna get mad @ slam for trolling this is actually the game that you would be least likely to get mad @ him for. he was significantly less troll. his being sour is NAI at best and scum at worst. 0 town from it whatsoever. cuz frankly he shouldn't be made about it. he should actually be happy cuz slam played more seriously than normal.
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ritoky
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October 24 2015 23:30 GMT
#1621
anywayz xata you're boring railing on about the same stuff. talk to me about hopeless, gb, and yamato.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 24 2015 23:34 GMT
#1623
cuz rayn's chance of being mafia went up post flip and bh stopped going on him. also more disengaged over time.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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October 24 2015 23:54 GMT
#1628
well i gotta get ready for work soon. people should push on the following people for the following reasons:

yamato - eating around the edges of the game like a man who only likes crust, not sexy.

rayn - bad reads, outrage over something he shouldn't be outraged about and makes no sense.

hopeless - literal 0 idea what he believes other than rayn is town. has 3 reads entire game even though tons of questions. questions that don't lead to conclusions usually = mafia.

gb - avoiding me. underwhelming. self-focused. lot's of talking about himself and people's reads on him rather than pro-active play. also he has played with me enough to where i expected a read out of him along the lines of "ritoky is town cuz feelz" or "ritoky doesn't have target, is not bussing therefore not mafia"; no delivery = no tip.

i am pretty confident me, chroma, and gumdrop are all town fttb. vivax slightly less, but not concerned enough yet.
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ritoky
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October 24 2015 23:56 GMT
#1629
On October 25 2015 08:52 Xatalos wrote:
Btw ritoky, I don't think BH was ever seriously after rayn... At least that's what he said. I have a lingering doubt that BH could have randomed his teammate (rayn), then went with it for a while and dropped it whenever he could... But that's kind of tinfoily already. Mostly that thought came to me when BH unvoted rayn so suddenly, when the wagon was starting to actually feel threatening for rayn, even though he had nothing better in mind either.


hence why he dropped down my list? i said this already. but the thought is contingent on rayn = mafia so pursuing it beyond having it in the back of your head is kinda pointless until rayn flips.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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October 25 2015 00:01 GMT
#1631
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like i said, thinking about something that is dependent on rayn = mafia is pointless until rayn flips.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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October 25 2015 00:04 GMT
#1635
can you post 1 more time and tell me why you were mad at slam, considering he was more serious than almost every other game?
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ritoky
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October 25 2015 00:14 GMT
#1642
wish you had posted that like 10 mins earlier chroma. will have to wait until after work.

dear salters,

[image loading]

sincerely,
ritoky
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ritoky
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October 25 2015 20:08 GMT
#1762
On October 25 2015 10:42 Blazinghand wrote:
Finishing up dinner shortly, then I'll read up. Taking requests for analysis


empty promises
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ritoky
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October 25 2015 20:08 GMT
#1763
On October 25 2015 10:43 GlowingBear wrote:
I hardly believe any scum would put so much effort in a case like that on me.

But I'm not scum.


reading but not trying to find scum.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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October 25 2015 20:12 GMT
#1768
On October 26 2015 02:27 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2015 02:04 Xatalos wrote:
Are you suggesting Vivax is scum then, GB? Or what? Even then that wouldn't make much sense unless he was scum with you, and then your post wouldn't make much sense.


I'm not suggesting, I'm DECLARING he is scum. I've never said he wasn't?


your declarations mean so much to me atm. oh my god, i feel so compelled. the case. the effort. the reads you have given. how could i ever deny the truth you are spouting?
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ritoky
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October 25 2015 20:20 GMT
#1770
sorry, i thought i was good for a moment. gotta remember my place.

dunno, people aren't really giving me reasons to lynch outside the list i made.

gb, rayn, hopeless, yamato.

3 of which have basically quit this phase and 1 of which is very clearly reading but doing nothing.
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ritoky
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October 25 2015 20:25 GMT
#1772
wifom wifom wifom wifom wifom. scum rayn wouldn't risk modkill to the point where he got warned. wifom wifom wifom wifom.
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ritoky
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October 25 2015 20:40 GMT
#1777
i wanna take a moment to talk about xata, and why he isn't in the top of my town list; but why i cannot support a lynch on him today unless epiphanies are delivered upon me from the holy mafia mother.

xata might be town because he hasn't stopped thinking and posting thoughts even if they go too far into the future. he is considering things to the point of wasted brain power. further his activity is 1/4th of the entire thread (which makes it slightly unreadable at times). it is clear that the effort level is there, and as of now with how few people are actually attempting to solve the game, i am completely compelled to give out modest effort based reads alone. in terms of content he has thought more extreme versions of what i have thought on multiple occasions and has pushed for his word to be law.

why i am hesitant about xata is because of a game i played somewhat recently. there was this guy who some1 invited from another forum playing on TL for the first time i think. he came into the thread, spammed non-stop, yelled at everyone, didn't read what anyone typed, made multiple people want to quit/sub out of the game, and pushed some of the dumbest and most forced crap i have ever read. to me he was obvious mafia, but every1 else was all like "no way 1st time player on forums does x or is this toxic". he then subbed out and was replaced by a nice quiet dude on N2 or D3 who we never lynched and got rekt. the point of this whole story and references that i didn't look up is that xata has given me ripples of those same feels at points this game.

also i realized...i am getting shot in the face tonight aren't i? that blows.
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ritoky
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October 25 2015 20:42 GMT
#1778
On October 26 2015 05:29 Xatalos wrote:
Lol

ritoky you don't think Onegu is a suspect? I think he looks worse than Hopeless at least, and probably worse than yamato....

i at least understand that onegu has an opinion and a reason behind his opinion. regardless of the quality of both. i cannot say the same about yamato or hopeless atm. so no, yamato and hopeless are worse.

also onegu doesn't strike me as hard defender of teammates as mafia, so if rayn is mafia onegu is probably just wrong and not mafia.
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ritoky
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October 25 2015 20:44 GMT
#1780
On October 26 2015 05:34 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote:
wifom wifom wifom wifom wifom. scum rayn wouldn't risk modkill to the point where he got warned. wifom wifom wifom wifom.


I established that mafia Rayn can play objectively, then I proved that his play this game was objectively bad as scum, I showed how he could have easily put himself in a good position and instead shat the bed.

This isnt Rayn faking emotion as scum, because scum has no reason to fake emotion when they have better options/obvius. Rayn is just playing emotionally which scum have no reason to do because they are happy with the outcome of the lynch.

1)If you want to boil actual thought and effort down to wifom, please do, but understand that by acting like a total fucking douche instead of responding to my argument in a respectful way you are basically slaying our chances to consolidate on mafia together if were both town.

2). If you still think I'm scum then by all means please lead a lynch on me, if not then stop antagnonizing someone you probally need to win. Unless you care more about petty spite then winning / : in which case refer to the one.


twas a joke sir.
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ritoky
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October 25 2015 20:52 GMT
#1783
i think you misread a lot of what i typed or something. but nice to know i have fans.

i wanna lynch gb, hopeless, rayn, and yamato atm.

might as well start somewhere, voted gb.
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ritoky
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October 25 2015 21:04 GMT
#1787
i mean it's the best case in the thread, i agree with it, and for some reason it is way hard to get people to vote on GB even though i think 75% of the thread has called him mafia at some point. these are good signs. also he read it and a lot of other things then did nothing. also he was super excited pre-game to play with me and then avoids me. i am a little butthurt about it.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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October 25 2015 21:09 GMT
#1790
no i said xata isn't high on my town list, he's low on my town list. here's why he could be town, here's why he could be mafia; currently i am undecided leaning town, cuz i am a bitch.

oh god, i love that read. that is my read. how you steal my read? why you do this to me....lynch target B is 2nd in votes, comes to thread sees lynch target A has bunch of votes, says hey let's lynch someone else knowing if successful could end up in own lynch, therefore town. blehhhhhhhhhhhhh but he didn't really push for it did he? making me go back and read gb's filter damn you. quit using my sexy read to make me think!
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 25 2015 21:14 GMT
#1791
gumdrop so town tho cuz he made me have a mindgasm by using the read i use and every1 calls me an idiot for even though it's super good and accurate.

i will consider your sexyness while i make lunch.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 08:40 GMT
#1901
haven't read like 4 or 5 pages. did anything amazing happen? too tired and about to go to sleep to actually read with any level of thinking.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 26 2015 08:44 GMT
#1902
can you people seriously stop defending rayn? seriously.

he is refusing to play until xata is dead or just flat refusing to play. stop enabling him. either he is mafia and is being mafia and you're wrong. or he is town and actively sandbagging the game for his team. stop defending him and his behavior.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 08:50 GMT
#1905
i still think my list is right....maybe....also i haven't really read since i last posted, so i still feel as right as before, which is helpful.

lynching into yamato, gb, rayn, hopeless.

hopeless really depresses me this game. cuz even if he does come back, barring town rainbow colored poo, i see no way i will make it through the duration of this game not lynching him...that thought depresses me greatly cuz he was funny on day 1 and i thought he was kinda town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 08:52 GMT
#1907
BH, why is it so hard to get ppl to vote on GB? i think 75% of the game or more has thought he was mafia at some point or another?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 08:53 GMT
#1908
playing around modkills always comes back to bite town.... i would know, i have used the ninja vote as mafia tactic before to great effect.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 09:00 GMT
#1910
honestly i am tired and whiny and i just wish this game were easier.

i have 1 guy in xata who is either playing 5 steps ahead or in a tunnel potentially filled of rage.
i have 1 guy in yamato who is constantly handing out empty promises.
i have 1 guy in hopeless who might have died irl.
i have 1 guy in rayn who ragequit lyfe, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
i have 1 guy in GB who has never once been so disenfranchised with a mafia game.
i have 1 guy in onegu who has had the tonal shift of the ages.

like why can't this be easier right now? seriously. all i want are town reads that are trying to find mafia. not all of those people can be mafia....and that isn't even considering if there's a sneakster mafia.

i am just tired and want town reads. is this too much to ask for?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 09:05 GMT
#1911
maybe i will just ctrl f gb in some people's filters tmrw; get down to brass tacks up in dis bitch.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 09:18 GMT
#1915
i am willing to consider it tmrw. did marv think yamato was town? i forgot.

if i am moving it's onto rayn or yamato or maybe hopeless depending on if he posts. but that would require me reading or some1 selling me on it right now. probably too tired for that to occur. going to sleep in 10 mins.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 09:19 GMT
#1916
i don't have a particularly good read on yamato historically and have really done nothing to cultivate it. i just know 1 time slam told me "if yamato is writing blank checks, he probably isn't town". which is pretty much the entirety of my read thus far.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 19:31 GMT
#2298
my mouth is dry from how salty this thread is.

holy fuk.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 19:39 GMT
#2300
On October 27 2015 02:24 Vivax wrote:
I have no clue what Chrom is doing.


trying to lynch his top mafia read who he made a decent case on who has done nothing to deserve a town read and who's only defense has been "i'm not mafia". what are you doing?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 19:46 GMT
#2303
On October 27 2015 04:34 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2015 04:31 ritoky wrote:
my mouth is dry from how salty this thread is.

holy fuk.

I've tried to reason with Rayn when hes like this before in other games, doesnt really work, so this game I've employed a diffrent aproach : D


idk i already moved past my frustration with rayn and started reading his posts again cuz i had peanut butter this morning and it changed my perspective on life.....not really.

i wish rayn would post more insightful things like this:

On October 26 2015 20:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax you should ask yourself;

Why does Xatalos the greatest not wanna lynch me now? hmm...
I was sure mafia, no? He even said he will get lynched the following day in case i flip town.
Oh noes, but suddenly he has a wide portion of lynch targets other than me.
I literally don't care if he has like 12937 pages of filter because 12936 of them are this:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2015 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 25 2015 06:23 Xatalos wrote:
I really don't get it. Do have some people have such fragile egos that they can only resort to insulting other people recklessly, then when they're under a bit of scrutiny they just stop playing completely?

I am being serious here;

I don't want to play when the goes like this:
Xata: "rayn is mafia because X and Y"
rayn: "no, here is explanation for X and Y"
Xata: "hmm okay"
.......
Xata: "rayn is mafia because X and Y"
rayn: "....... dude wtf? if you call me scum call me scum for how my explanation doesn't make sense"
marv: "yeah, rayn is town. Xatalos you're being an idiot"
Xata: "hmm okay"
......
Xata: "rayn is scum for X and Y, also marv is scum"
rayn: "marv is never scum"
marv: "yeah that's quite clear, wtf are you doing Xatalos?"
....
Xata: "hmm rayn is scum for X and Y"

that went on for like 40 pages.
if you can't understand what's wrong here that then you have to be mafia.
so, you are either mafia or effectively throwing the game. so am i, if you are town, but idc.
i literally don't care anymore.

so you can lynch me, i don't care. I am not posting anymore.
But jsut that you know, if you happen to somehow be town here, sometimes you SHOULD listen to people who know better...



cuz that's a good post. 97% scum -> rayn doesn't post -> less scum, other people higher priority. that needs to be sufficiently explained because it is a weird progression.

he also asked onegu some questions about yamato and didn't really deliver on the back end, but they were good questions. idk rayn might be town....although he thinks i am mafia which makes me laugh.

also BH, hopeless posted; where u at? u got a promise to deliver on.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 19:46 GMT
#2304
On October 27 2015 04:44 Blazinghand wrote:
back in thread and catching up now. seems like lots of post, I'm eager to read the new content. ping me if you want me to do something or need to bring something ot my attention


hopeless posted.
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ritoky
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October 26 2015 19:53 GMT
#2307
On October 27 2015 04:48 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2015 04:46 ritoky wrote:
On October 27 2015 04:44 Blazinghand wrote:
back in thread and catching up now. seems like lots of post, I'm eager to read the new content. ping me if you want me to do something or need to bring something ot my attention


hopeless posted.

So we're all on board then?

##unvote
##vote hopeless1der


maybe i still got a few pages to read, people got a bit spam happy while dinner was being served.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 19:57 GMT
#2311
a certain astounded part of me wants to lynch rayn and onegu simply on the grounds that they called me mafia. dunno how i am not in every1's top 3 town by now. i sweat green. had a doctor check it out, said it is either cuz i am too town or i drank too much green gatorade. gonna go with the 1st one.
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ritoky
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October 26 2015 20:15 GMT
#2318
thank you for telling me to calm down, i was hyperventilating
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ritoky
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October 26 2015 20:23 GMT
#2321
vivax, what's up with that post about "chrom wtf u doing?" can you like...splain that to me?
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ritoky
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October 26 2015 20:37 GMT
#2325
cuz it struck me as odd. the guy has a scum read he has said he is over 90% confident in, he made probably the best case of the phase to try and compell people to vote on him; and it hasn't gotten traction. he keeps pushing it trying to get his top read killed....i guess what you said isn't odd in the context of "can you get out of your tunnel and talk about other stuff?" but idk, it just stuck out to me cuz i don't see a compelling reason to read GB town, i like chrom's case, GB's defense is "i am town, push to vote" which is crap tier; so calling out someone for really assertively trying to get him lynched doesn't seem.....i dunno it was just a wat? moment
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ritoky
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October 26 2015 20:44 GMT
#2329
On October 27 2015 05:42 Vivax wrote:
Yes I get he has that scumread but why does his posting feel so much like he doesn't care what happens with it. It's like he's behind a glass wall at the time, holding up a poster occasionally repeating what he wants.

Especially with all that mess going on all he could do was say "rayn is town, GB is scum". Obviously with some reasons attached to them but still he feels disconnected from other people, in a way.

I'll refrain from having a decisive opinion on him yet cause it feels like he's so hard to read, but these are my thoughts.


Hmmm, maybe during night phase I will read chrom's filter and see if this is right. I got the feeling he was invested in it, but maybe that was me ascribing my feelings about the lynch onto chrom.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 21:08 GMT
#2350
I am willing to lynch h1.
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ritoky
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October 26 2015 21:24 GMT
#2362
it's the classic empty promises vs excuses for not playing comparison.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 21:31 GMT
#2373
i mean, i plan to move to yamato or hopeless if i am desperately needed as i think both are fine lynches; but things are currently healthy, and i believe GB and chrom's case on GB is superior.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 21:34 GMT
#2380
only reason i have to shennanie onegu is he thinks i am mafia (hurrdurr) and agreed with rayn a bunch and rayns reads have been piss in general. prefer gb/yamato/hopeless way more.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 21:35 GMT
#2383
On October 27 2015 06:33 Vivax wrote:
No bets on yamato not voting. If he ninjavotes cause you believe the matter will solve itself we lose a day.

Right, ritoky?


lol no1 will ever let me get modkilled again for not voting after that
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ritoky
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October 26 2015 21:37 GMT
#2389
i mean i am pretty stupid, you got me dead to rights there.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 21:40 GMT
#2392
On October 27 2015 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean you nailed my night kill already


how was the nap qtpi?
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ritoky
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October 26 2015 21:42 GMT
#2396
On October 27 2015 06:41 Xatalos wrote:
I doubt he slept at all, prolly just chatted in scumQT....


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ritoky
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October 26 2015 21:42 GMT
#2399
i am prepared to shennanie from gb to gb
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ritoky
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October 26 2015 21:52 GMT
#2413
On October 27 2015 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2015 06:40 ritoky wrote:
On October 27 2015 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean you nailed my night kill already


how was the nap qtpi?

wait what? how did you know that?


you said you went to sleep and then came back 2 hours later.

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ritoky
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October 26 2015 21:54 GMT
#2419
On October 27 2015 06:53 Vivax wrote:
Keep your votes on yam and don't be stupid please. This has been scum shenanny for a few times lately to pretend you're gonna get modkilled and then ninjavote.


never gonna let it go on me are you?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 21:56 GMT
#2427
at least i didn't take pictures of boxes and a newspaper to fake moving.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 21:57 GMT
#2430
On October 27 2015 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm... well i guess i have no saying in this then.


say not, but do. xata not getting lynched today, fuck the policy lynch the gb.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 22:05 GMT
#2457
xata, gumdrop, vivax. 2 sentences on why you didn't shennanie; go!
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 22:07 GMT
#2458
if gb flips mafia, 1 of vivax, xata, and gumdrop is mafia 100% of the time.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 22:11 GMT
#2463
i mean, didn't me and chrom do that all fucking day long? not much else to say beyond what has been said.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 22:17 GMT
#2470
to summarize it quickly before i go:

- no read on me even though he has played with me a bunch and can read me (claims can't){for ex. he has been mafia with me before and he knows how much i like the bus, i was expecting a no bus d1 = no mafia read out of him and i didn't get it}

- self centric defensive play d1 - lots of talking about self and no real pro-active scum hunting

- not GB town - isn't astounded he isn't being read town, hasn't freaked out, lacking charisma, low effort/caring level, and not plays attempted.

- terrible defense - "i am town, push to vote"

- 0 attempt to push his targets with any form of conviction. lots of caveats in the few reads given.

if you find that town gb indicative then thumbs up to you, i don't.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 23:10 GMT
#2477
On October 27 2015 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like the case is much better to be made on N2 that it would be on D2 don't you think ritoky?


i made it multiple times on d2 while you were not playing.
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ritoky
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October 26 2015 23:20 GMT
#2479
On October 27 2015 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2015 08:10 ritoky wrote:
On October 27 2015 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like the case is much better to be made on N2 that it would be on D2 don't you think ritoky?


i made it multiple times on d2 while you were not playing.

could you point out the posts where you made the case since i must have missed it while reading.


On October 24 2015 18:24 ritoky wrote:
if i were the sole vote to lynch tomorrow, as of now it would be between yamato, rayn, and GB.

rayn cuz i am basically not reading what he types and his reads sucked.
yamato cuz he is hovering around the fringes of the game, or maybe that's just my perception.
GB cuz i have played a lot with him and he has no strong opinion on me, and actually i would say he seems to be actively avoiding talking about me; i feel he should have a stronger opinion. he is top disappointment atm.

if i were in magical vigi land i would probably shoot onegu cuz yolo free info.


On October 25 2015 08:54 ritoky wrote:
well i gotta get ready for work soon. people should push on the following people for the following reasons:

yamato - eating around the edges of the game like a man who only likes crust, not sexy.

rayn - bad reads, outrage over something he shouldn't be outraged about and makes no sense.

hopeless - literal 0 idea what he believes other than rayn is town. has 3 reads entire game even though tons of questions. questions that don't lead to conclusions usually = mafia.

gb - avoiding me. underwhelming. self-focused. lot's of talking about himself and people's reads on him rather than pro-active play. also he has played with me enough to where i expected a read out of him along the lines of "ritoky is town cuz feelz" or "ritoky doesn't have target, is not bussing therefore not mafia"; no delivery = no tip.

i am pretty confident me, chroma, and gumdrop are all town fttb. vivax slightly less, but not concerned enough yet.


On October 26 2015 05:08 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2015 10:43 GlowingBear wrote:
I hardly believe any scum would put so much effort in a case like that on me.

But I'm not scum.


reading but not trying to find scum.


On October 26 2015 06:04 ritoky wrote:
i mean it's the best case in the thread, i agree with it, and for some reason it is way hard to get people to vote on GB even though i think 75% of the thread has called him mafia at some point. these are good signs. also he read it and a lot of other things then did nothing. also he was super excited pre-game to play with me and then avoids me. i am a little butthurt about it.


On October 27 2015 05:37 ritoky wrote:
cuz it struck me as odd. the guy has a scum read he has said he is over 90% confident in, he made probably the best case of the phase to try and compell people to vote on him; and it hasn't gotten traction. he keeps pushing it trying to get his top read killed....i guess what you said isn't odd in the context of "can you get out of your tunnel and talk about other stuff?" but idk, it just stuck out to me cuz i don't see a compelling reason to read GB town, i like chrom's case, GB's defense is "i am town, push to vote" which is crap tier; so calling out someone for really assertively trying to get him lynched doesn't seem.....i dunno it was just a wat? moment
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ritoky
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October 26 2015 23:21 GMT
#2480
there's a couple more, but i figured that was long enough of a post.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 26 2015 23:25 GMT
#2482
idk rayn i could be blinded on you by the fact that you just can't read me and call me mafia all game every game. i am not closed to the idea of xata being mafia particularly after being spooked by the no shennanies
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ritoky
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October 26 2015 23:26 GMT
#2484
i kinda have been getting that holyflare town feels from you a bit toward the end of the phase where you really want to give no fucks as town, but you can't bring yourself to give no fucks.
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ritoky
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October 26 2015 23:31 GMT
#2486
assuming you're town.

i think independently GB is the most mafia and hopeless hasn't given me any reason to believe he is town.

assuming i am right on GB i think 1 of gumdrop, vivax, and xata is mafia. of those 3 i think vivax has reasoning to not shennanie cuz of what i did to him in a past game (could be using it to his adv) and gumdrop is the most town of the 3. so that leaves xata.

onegu is an engima to me so i have no idea whatsoever.

so independent i would say something like GB, hopeless, onegu.

if gb is mafia then sub out onegu or hopeless for xata or maybe vivax.
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ritoky
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October 26 2015 23:40 GMT
#2490
i think gumdrop is town for play. like excessively town. like if i am not getting shot, he probably is kinda town.
i think chroma is town because i understand his thought processes, he tries to get the people he thinks are scum lynched, and i generally have agreed with a lot of what he has said since he realized i wasn't mafia.
BH may have pocketed me all game, but i feel he is town. if GB flips town i may enter this tinfoil world where BH was doing the shennanie show between 2 towns EoD2 for cred and that could get ugly.
in this scenario i am assuming you're town.

so my PoE is:

vivax
GB
hopeless
xata
onegu

of which vivax has seemed the most town and i have the worst read on onegu.
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ritoky
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October 26 2015 23:43 GMT
#2492
gumdrop has told me to fuck myself a couple times and had a couple of really insightful posts. like the one where he stole my original read (even though i looked it up and it was kinda misused). idk i honestly think he is probably my most confident town read atm even though he was wrong.
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ritoky
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October 26 2015 23:43 GMT
#2493
i think GB is like 85-90% scum
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ritoky
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October 26 2015 23:45 GMT
#2495
my PoE actually looks like this:

GB

hopeless

onegu
xata
vivax

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ritoky
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October 26 2015 23:47 GMT
#2496
above list is most to least mafia
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ritoky
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October 26 2015 23:55 GMT
#2499
On October 27 2015 08:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay to be real the only reason i think Xatalos is town is because he has like 2390478 pages of filter.
His filter is shit though.


that's pretty much my town read on him + he had some similar thoughts to me on day 1. but the constant rage over non-issues and then that post you made about him being all aboard you and suddenly open to a wealth of options without talking about it much plus him not doing shennanies has cast some doubt on him for me.
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ritoky
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October 26 2015 23:56 GMT
#2500
i have never really seen onegu take a game seriously, so you could be right or you could be wrong i don't have a clue.
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ritoky
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October 27 2015 00:01 GMT
#2503
On October 27 2015 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
or like why do you think he is scum


never seen him serious, deviation from standard play + has pretty much had opposing reads to me most of the game + constant scum read on me

tldr omgus, disagree, different playstyle
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ritoky
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October 27 2015 00:04 GMT
#2504
and poe, but i figure you got that from the poe list before.
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ritoky
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October 27 2015 00:13 GMT
#2506
cya, i got work in 45 anywayz
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ritoky
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October 27 2015 19:55 GMT
#2598
2 hours until i get shot. get me out of this shit show.
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ritoky
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October 27 2015 20:02 GMT
#2602
yo GB, you here?
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ritoky
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October 27 2015 20:16 GMT
#2613
On October 28 2015 05:11 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 05:02 ritoky wrote:
yo GB, you here?


Yes


outside of vivax have your reads changed since the last read post?
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ritoky
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October 27 2015 20:42 GMT
#2632
chroma, people who don't make sense might just be mafia.

it doesn't matter, you, me, or gumdrop is getting shot in a little bit here.
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ritoky
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October 27 2015 20:44 GMT
#2634
cmon GB.....seriously dude. you're a good enough player to know that if you're town just saying "i'm town" on repeat and "lynch vivax" on repeat isn't going to convince anyone to believe either of those things. particularly when i already am in the negatives on you. if you actually are town like you claim, you're gonna have to work to convince me at some point.
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ritoky
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October 28 2015 00:07 GMT
#2694
well that's a kill...
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ritoky
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October 28 2015 00:10 GMT
#2695
On October 28 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Weirdest game I have ever played.


you just never gonna respond to anything?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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October 28 2015 00:15 GMT
#2697
i need time to reflect on the player list and think of wifom of who kills rayn because kill people capable of solving the game instead of me/gumdrop who are universal town reads. it takes a specific level of disrespect to make that kill, not every1 has it.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 00:26 GMT
#2700
i still think chroma is town. i still think gumdrop is town. i am town. i have serious doubts that onegu is mafia...cuz rayn was very insistent about it + unlikely for onegu to kill top supporter when thread sentiment against him.

vivax
bh
gb
hopeless
xata

that's the list i need to start working with i suppose. i just have this fear inside me that people who make that kill are very content with the game state, which for me was lynch GB, then lynch h1....which means 1 of them might not be mafia...but i don't see avoiding lynching them if both continue to not play.....le sigh why didn't i just get shot?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 00:29 GMT
#2704
no i am thinking about it the proper way. palmar left me alive all game as a confirmed vigi last game i played because he was more scared of every1 else's town play than he was of mine. it takes a particular level of disrespect.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 00:31 GMT
#2708
i very real portion of me wants to lynch xata and not read an ounce of his defense. might just be the spite inside me.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 00:33 GMT
#2712
On October 28 2015 09:31 gumshoe wrote:
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On October 28 2015 09:29 ritoky wrote:
no i am thinking about it the proper way. palmar left me alive all game as a confirmed vigi last game i played because he was more scared of every1 else's town play than he was of mine. it takes a particular level of disrespect.


im not saying your wrong Rit, just that theres something super obvius at play aside from what youve seen. dont take my little riddle the wrong way : P I'm just having fun. I'll give it up soon but lets have a few more trys shall we?


well if the answer isn't "content with state of game" or "kill the people who they are scared of solving vs universal TRs" or "our PoE list is probably wrong" then idk what conclusion you can make.

maybe that i am sexy irl. that's always a satisfactory conclusion
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 28 2015 00:35 GMT
#2717
On October 28 2015 09:34 Blazinghand wrote:
OH ALTERNATIVE EXPLANATION: All mafia were AFK, and so hosts had to RNG the shot and it (like my rng) landed on rayn


i laughed
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 00:40 GMT
#2721
i think i might just make up my mind this phase and yolo tunnel vision it super hardcore stylez.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 00:43 GMT
#2724
...........? no.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 00:45 GMT
#2726
that's a particularly weird and bad conclusion coming from you. because you or i would have been the shot if going by not gonna be ML'd people long before rayn. rayn at least had some potential left.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 28 2015 02:14 GMT
#2734
On October 28 2015 10:58 GlowingBear wrote:
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On October 28 2015 09:10 ritoky wrote:
On October 28 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Weirdest game I have ever played.


you just never gonna respond to anything?


I didn't read a lot of posts. Anything in particular you want answered?


On October 28 2015 05:02 ritoky wrote:
yo GB, you here?


On October 28 2015 05:16 ritoky wrote:
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On October 28 2015 05:11 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 05:02 ritoky wrote:
yo GB, you here?


Yes


outside of vivax have your reads changed since the last read post?


i mean i am assuming you read it since you were directly responding to me....
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 28 2015 02:17 GMT
#2735
On October 28 2015 10:18 gumshoe wrote:
For refrence here are onegu and Hopeless's views on Rayn atm.

Onegu
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I didnt and dont like his push on rayn. I pointed out why rayn was town and he said that what i said pointed to rayn being mafia not town and it didnt.


hopeles
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im basically never going to vote for Xata or Rayn (maybe rayn in lylo) they're my top town


No need to think about it too much honestly, staying the course should work out fine : P

just take this as a bit of a confidence booster in todays lynch XD


?????? wat are you doing?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 02:21 GMT
#2737
i only do kills if i am last left. i /c any if there are others alive. but yes i love me some wifom kill.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 02:22 GMT
#2738
these are still your reads then?

On October 26 2015 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:
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On October 26 2015 08:03 Xatalos wrote:
On October 26 2015 08:00 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2015 07:55 Xatalos wrote:
I'd basically like to shoot these people right now if I had a gun....

- GB: completely static scumread on Vivax that's not affected by anything happening in the thread, and I actually noticed that marv disproved his reasoning during D1 (by showing that Vivax had made overly confident reads before) but that didn't affect anything... it just does indeed feel like he picked someone to scumread and continued calling him scum no matter what... + overall low effort and disinterest towards anything happening in the game... some of the nice posts he's made can't really absolve him at this point

- yamato: playing according to his scum meta (inactive, disinterested) - there's one town game where he was inactive as well, but mostly he's been relatively active and a good asset as town, there's nothing like that to be seen here....

- Onegu: gave a high townread for rayn, voted for him over his nullread at deadline when the lynch was still completely undecided.... just this alone I think is impossible for town, he did make an "RNG sheep" vote in a previous game but I just can't accept he would choose to vote for his (supposed) highest townread based on some meta-joke... it just shows that he has zero interest towards solving the game or doing anything... and he has refused to answer several questions from different players that probed into his nonsensical arguments over the game

- rayn: disinterested towards the lynch result of D1 (basically sheeping/OMGUSing away to whatever he could), then just started spamming/lurking and caring even less about scumhunting than before

So yeah, I'm basically content if any of these players ends up getting lynched right now.... It looks like we still have 3 mislynches even, so I doubt we can lose if we start by cleaning up this pile of scummy.


marv never disproved anything, marv disagreed with me, which is different.

And my read on Vivax progressed as he came back to the thread. It's all in my filter.

And no, I'm not mafia.


Have you ever considered him to be town after the first minute...? I guess you did offer alternative lynches at times, like rayn.

I'd really like to hear your overall reads right now.


Yes, I've tried to read him coming from a townie perspective. He could be town? Yes, but I'm fairly certain he isn't.

I have you as town for filter length and activity, you seem to care about the game which is the towniest trait one can have right now.

I have chromatically as town, still. I find hard to believe any scum would put so much effort into writing a scum case on you and me, reading filters and shit.

I think Rayn can be mafia but his rage quit is giving me pause. Nonetheless, his flip on me + slam's read on him all points out to him being mafia. I don't trust his rage on slam very much because, well, he knows how slam plays and slam was actually being productive - but productive against Rayn.

I am very suspicious of Onegu. I will always think he is a good lynch.

Hopeless has some townie posts but some of them are too similar to Avogadro's mini mafia.

I think gumshoe might be town just because he is defending me. I can't see mafia motivation behind defending me.

Now that yamato is extremely unproductive I can see him being scum. As I said, yamato is one of the players that we can have better reads on later days. And here we are.

I don't know what to do with BH. Some of his posts seems very townie, others seems like fluff. I particularly dislike his "eternal dining" posts. On the other hand, I think the has being thinking about the game critically, so he is probably town.

I don't know if I forgot someone.

“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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October 28 2015 02:36 GMT
#2743
On October 28 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 11:22 ritoky wrote:
these are still your reads then?

On October 26 2015 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2015 08:03 Xatalos wrote:
On October 26 2015 08:00 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2015 07:55 Xatalos wrote:
I'd basically like to shoot these people right now if I had a gun....

- GB: completely static scumread on Vivax that's not affected by anything happening in the thread, and I actually noticed that marv disproved his reasoning during D1 (by showing that Vivax had made overly confident reads before) but that didn't affect anything... it just does indeed feel like he picked someone to scumread and continued calling him scum no matter what... + overall low effort and disinterest towards anything happening in the game... some of the nice posts he's made can't really absolve him at this point

- yamato: playing according to his scum meta (inactive, disinterested) - there's one town game where he was inactive as well, but mostly he's been relatively active and a good asset as town, there's nothing like that to be seen here....

- Onegu: gave a high townread for rayn, voted for him over his nullread at deadline when the lynch was still completely undecided.... just this alone I think is impossible for town, he did make an "RNG sheep" vote in a previous game but I just can't accept he would choose to vote for his (supposed) highest townread based on some meta-joke... it just shows that he has zero interest towards solving the game or doing anything... and he has refused to answer several questions from different players that probed into his nonsensical arguments over the game

- rayn: disinterested towards the lynch result of D1 (basically sheeping/OMGUSing away to whatever he could), then just started spamming/lurking and caring even less about scumhunting than before

So yeah, I'm basically content if any of these players ends up getting lynched right now.... It looks like we still have 3 mislynches even, so I doubt we can lose if we start by cleaning up this pile of scummy.


marv never disproved anything, marv disagreed with me, which is different.

And my read on Vivax progressed as he came back to the thread. It's all in my filter.

And no, I'm not mafia.


Have you ever considered him to be town after the first minute...? I guess you did offer alternative lynches at times, like rayn.

I'd really like to hear your overall reads right now.


Yes, I've tried to read him coming from a townie perspective. He could be town? Yes, but I'm fairly certain he isn't.

I have you as town for filter length and activity, you seem to care about the game which is the towniest trait one can have right now.

I have chromatically as town, still. I find hard to believe any scum would put so much effort into writing a scum case on you and me, reading filters and shit.

I think Rayn can be mafia but his rage quit is giving me pause. Nonetheless, his flip on me + slam's read on him all points out to him being mafia. I don't trust his rage on slam very much because, well, he knows how slam plays and slam was actually being productive - but productive against Rayn.

I am very suspicious of Onegu. I will always think he is a good lynch.

Hopeless has some townie posts but some of them are too similar to Avogadro's mini mafia.

I think gumshoe might be town just because he is defending me. I can't see mafia motivation behind defending me.

Now that yamato is extremely unproductive I can see him being scum. As I said, yamato is one of the players that we can have better reads on later days. And here we are.

I don't know what to do with BH. Some of his posts seems very townie, others seems like fluff. I particularly dislike his "eternal dining" posts. On the other hand, I think the has being thinking about the game critically, so he is probably town.

I don't know if I forgot someone.



Yes. Not yamato, cause his dead


do you think lynching yo, h1, and onegu would get us to final 3 then?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 02:36 GMT
#2744
you, h1, and onegu*
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 02:38 GMT
#2745
chroma you might be my only remaining town read right now...i don't really know what gumdrop is doing atm.....this game sux.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 02:44 GMT
#2748
yeah but he's been soft deflecting off of gb for a while now, and he had that whole "yamato and gb are opposite alignments" thing that was weird but i was like "....ok" and then he rolls out today wanting to lynch onegu. who pretty much every1 who has died town read....it's gone from soft deflecting to pretty hard deflection.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 02:50 GMT
#2751
do you understand why? cuz i don't.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 02:51 GMT
#2752
i really have SERIOUS doubts that onegu is mafia. they started when i began to come around on rayn after talks last night.

hopeless is basically a coinflip who is probably a must-lynch @ some point this game which sucks...
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 04:13 GMT
#2767
so you think onegu is actively doing more scummy things than gb? okay, please enlighten me. what are they?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 04:21 GMT
#2769
also if you can't understand how the following confuses me then i guess we live in different worlds:

gumdrop: "yamato and gb are opposite alignments cuz stuff. let's lynch yamato."
ritoky: "uhhhhh gb is way more scummy, lynch him"
gumdrop: "nah"
yamato lynched -> town
gumdrop: "fuck i was wrong"
next day
gumdrop: "well, stay the course....lynch onegu"
ritoky: "wat? aren't they opposite alignments? why soft deflecting?"
gumdrop: "i am totally not deflecting or defending him at all, he is just 4th on my lynch list"
ritoky: "but he was opposite alignment of town????? that's deflecting"

this is what happened. this is why you confuse me.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
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October 28 2015 04:22 GMT
#2770
On October 28 2015 13:18 Blazinghand wrote:
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On October 28 2015 13:13 ritoky wrote:
so you think onegu is actively doing more scummy things than gb? okay, please enlighten me. what are they?


sigh. it's yam/gb again basically in terms of activity making people seem scummier tbh


if that's the case 100% of people should be on hopeless instead. i refuse to accept this answer from anyone. if you're judging based on activity then lynch hopeless 0 questions asked. but don't sit here and tell me "onegu scummier than gb" and then give me activity bs.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 04:24 GMT
#2771
i mean i quoted a post from 72 hours ago from GB which had basically 1 town read, and a bunch of null reads, asked him if these are his reads and the guy said "yep" with 0 effort. his only defense is "i am town". like what is wrong with people to not see this shit? can this town not be salvaged?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 04:31 GMT
#2773
also every single dead person had a slight TR at least on onegu. rayn TR onegu HARD. marv TR onegu. yamato didn't want to lynch him. slam didn't want to lynch him.....does onegu really kill of every person in the game who doesn't want him dead? like really? is every single one of those players wrong?

i really do not think this lynch should be anywhere near onegu.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
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October 28 2015 04:33 GMT
#2776
On October 28 2015 13:30 gumshoe wrote:
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On October 28 2015 13:13 ritoky wrote:
so you think onegu is actively doing more scummy things than gb? okay, please enlighten me. what are they?



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Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one.



Calls xata 99 percent town / : then flops pretty hard on him just because Xata called him scum(which was fair) and because of his certainty that rayn is town

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Nope Rayn hasnt left yet. He is still town.

Xata is making zero sense here.

##Vote: Xata




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I am really kinda feeling Xata is scum with hopeless now. Like he was all ok yeah we can lynch him, then no we have to be safe. He really waffled on it and felt really weird to me.

And yes me and hopeless are both scum, that makes perfect sense...



Also if were looking for a reason why the Rayn lynch happened here ya go I guess / :

Show nested quote +

Rayn scum reads Xata, and hopeless and then dies. Coincidence I think not.

Anyway I am going to bed.

We should lynch xata or hopeless today.


Does seem super convenient doesnt it Onegu? Also, what alarms is me is the first thing everyone else said when rayn fliped, was basically wtf. Yet Onegu came into thread, not at all suprised, guns fucking blazing with this gem, seems a bit prepared maybe?

Another thing, my read on Rayn literally comes from countless hours playing serious games with him XD, I dont know how much Onegu plays with Rayn, but even I was a bit uncertain here and there / : yet he never wavered? meh, dont particularly buy it.

Also I think hes bussing hopeless (I sure would) but thats just petty suspicion / :


i have had a mild town read on xata all game and i woke up after that kill seriously considering lynching him. am i mafia?

this is not convincing to me in the slightest.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 04:44 GMT
#2779
the only real reason i think xata is town is activity.

tbh i reviewed a lot of his filter, and he is basically a whirling dervish. he just sits there spinning calling all people who call him mafia or any LHF mafia. if you go read it you might be surprised by this. i noticed it when i started to slightly doubt him and then he was like "ritoky might be mafia for dropoff" which was horseshit cuz he had just been talking to me. after reviewing i actually don't think he has much to call him independently town for and i am highly considering voting him today.....cuz unlike you i am not content with that list....rayn kill wants to lull town to sleep on that list imo.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 04:46 GMT
#2781
i personally think there's at least 1 between gb and hopeless.

as i said before if gb is mafia there is GUARANTEED 1 between gumdrop, vivax, and xata.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 04:47 GMT
#2782
that's a really big reason i want to know GB's alignment...other than i think he is mafia. BH tried to shennanie off of yamato onto GB and literally no one would follow. that becomes very telling if GB is mafia.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 04:53 GMT
#2785
anywayz i gotta go for the night. i think onegu might just be town cuz pretty much every1 who claims to have a good read on him said so and i doubt all of them god fooled and then killed by onegu...really doubt it. read shit, consider shit, don't be content, be hungry to win.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 04:55 GMT
#2786
On October 28 2015 13:52 gumshoe wrote:
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On October 28 2015 13:44 ritoky wrote:
the only real reason i think xata is town is activity.

tbh i reviewed a lot of his filter, and he is basically a whirling dervish. he just sits there spinning calling all people who call him mafia or any LHF mafia. if you go read it you might be surprised by this. i noticed it when i started to slightly doubt him and then he was like "ritoky might be mafia for dropoff" which was horseshit cuz he had just been talking to me. after reviewing i actually don't think he has much to call him independently town for and i am highly considering voting him today.....cuz unlike you i am not content with that list....rayn kill wants to lull town to sleep on that list imo.


sigh. you just have to bag the big fish don't you?


i like winning. i am beginning to believe lynching the 3 lowest activity people won't get me the result i want. time to consider alternatives.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 05:03 GMT
#2792
On October 28 2015 14:00 Chromatically wrote:
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On October 28 2015 13:46 ritoky wrote:
i personally think there's at least 1 between gb and hopeless.

as i said before if gb is mafia there is GUARANTEED 1 between gumdrop, vivax, and xata.

Sorry, can you explain this to me? I don't understand this.


BH tried to shennanie from yamato to GB. all 3 were here, all 3 refused to follow for different reasons. if it was a shennanie off town onto mafia, i would be floored if 1 isn't mafia with GB.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 05:10 GMT
#2798
also "could never be gb and vivax". no. let me tell you a story of a game of mafia where gb, damdred, and i rolled mafia. gb makes the first post "OMG I LOVE U GUYS, LET'S ALL BUS THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF EACHOTHER! GOIN FOR DAMDRED!" to which me and damdred also agree and bus the living fuck out of eachother and roflstomp the game. that was a fun game. it's not exactly probable but it is possible.

why did i stick around?

basically in order for onegu to be mafia every person who died has to have been wrong on him and onegu is killing every1 who TRs him. i don't think this is the case, which means onegu is town. so that list of 3 isn't good anymore.

i think GB is mafia, i think hopeless is a coinflip. so it is time to start considering alternatives.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 05:11 GMT
#2799
i am actually going now. for realsies.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 05:13 GMT
#2800
also take your salt somewhere else please. this game has been hard enough to make it through; can it just be pleasant the rest of the way?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 04:27 GMT
#2911
wife surprised me with sounders playoff tickets. won't be here until around deadline. WE WONNNNN SDGHDSGHSJGBSDGBKD
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 19:43 GMT
#2970
what did i tell you about xata? see.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 19:50 GMT
#2972
On October 30 2015 04:48 Vivax wrote:
Today might actually be shenanny day cause both Onegu and GB aren't bad lynches.


onto?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 20:00 GMT
#2976
some concerns: people very content, appeal to emotion post (i am sucker for them), why onegu + gb are wagons...makes no sense should be gb + hopeless

yay: i wanna be right, i think he's mafia, chroma super town thinks mafia, most likely dunks xata
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 20:04 GMT
#2979
gb isn't fighting to stay alive. gb fighting to stay alive types in caps and calls people funny names. and is mystified about how people don't understand he is confirmed town by the heavens themself
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 20:04 GMT
#2980
i voted for GB chroma don't worry
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 20:07 GMT
#2983
i think he is town. have said it multiple times. believe even explained it to you before lol. i just don't see every dead player being wrong about his alignment, and then onegu killing every single person in support of him. doesn't seem like the play. plus those dead people have better reads on him than me and i trust them.

plus i have heard no case for why onegu has been ACTIVELY scummy. most of it is PoE/activity based, and by that metric the lynch should be hopeless by a mile.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 20:15 GMT
#2987
i already told you about xata gumdrop.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 20:18 GMT
#2990
stray voting is a 50/50 game tbh. that's a coinflip argument at best. also idk what you're talking about not looking for scum. outside of this phase (where i believe all of 1gu's friends are dead in) he has done more scum hunting than i have ever seen in a game lol. so uhhhh....you're wrong. slam comment is interesting point, but maybe he just has a god read on slam like me.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 20:21 GMT
#2994
On October 30 2015 05:19 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 05:16 Blazinghand wrote:
i'm pretty sure we're just arguing about which of two scum to lynch first so i can't really bring myself to care about this argument, but ritoky I will reread onegu since you insist, and if I were in your position I'd want "sure" people to reread the stuff about the guy I'm TRing. I gotta grab dinner real quick but I'll have an answer for you at least half an hour before deadline


you should care, if gb flips town for some dumb reason, then you me or xata die, well have 3 scum plus ritoky vs 3 town and onegu might not get lynched till lylo or something equally disturbing.


if gb flips town you're also wrong. consider that.

and if gb flips mafia, i am going hard on 1 of you, xata, and vivax and never stopping.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 20:22 GMT
#2995
xata lookin for excuses now, it's funny.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 20:33 GMT
#3002
hmmmm...i just realized something....
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 20:35 GMT
#3005
so let's assume for a moment i am a GOD and completely right about onegu town and gb mafia. that means we have a very even wagon between a town and a mafia.

hopeless (resident lurker) comes into the thread, says some blah blah blah, and votes on the mafia in a town vs mafia situation. this almost always confirms hopeless......which would mean 2 mafia are outside the PoE if GB is mafia and onegu is town...

is that a world i want to believe in....ugh, fuck you brain for thinking.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 20:37 GMT
#3009
because i think 1gu wouldn't kill people he enjoys playing with unless forced to, and i also don't think he kills some1 in support of him who is not being universally TR. you can think it's shit, but won't change my mind.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 20:39 GMT
#3011
does shennanies onto hopeless and him flipping mafia say anything with relative certainty about GB's alignment? hrm...
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 21:14 GMT
#3031
how yolo do i feel?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 21:16 GMT
#3034
i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia.

onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu

gb/x/x most likely if gb.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 21:17 GMT
#3035
x = person not in poe of 3.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 21:20 GMT
#3041
On October 30 2015 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:16 ritoky wrote:
i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia.

onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu

gb/x/x most likely if gb.


there's gotta be at least 2 scum in there though. who's scum if it's not AT LEAST 2 of those 3?


with GB? at least 1 of xata/gumdrop/vivax...maybe 2 of them? dunno. not me, can't be chroma, wouldn't be onegu/hopeless....can't really be BH cuz tried to shennanie GB.

so yeah if GB then 2 of gumdrop/xata/vivax.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 21:20 GMT
#3042
that conclusion has got me wondering if i just wanna yolo on me being a donkey all game
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 21:24 GMT
#3048
On October 30 2015 06:17 GlowingBear wrote:
ritoky, trust me: vote onegu.

Trust me once.


who's the sneakster mafia?
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 21:28 GMT
#3056
On October 30 2015 06:26 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:25 gumshoe wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:16 ritoky wrote:
i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia.

onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu

gb/x/x most likely if gb.


there's gotta be at least 2 scum in there though. who's scum if it's not AT LEAST 2 of those 3?


from ritokys perspective, it would have to be xata vivax,

cmon ritoky, why isnt hopeless voting onegu? If hopeless is the only scum between them, why not look more consistent and vote for the guy whose trying to kill you instead of doubling back on a guy you were null at best on, and town read at several points in the game? If hopeless is scum with gb, why vote him when he can just vote for onegu? the guy trying to kill him?
In fact, why draw attention to himself with such a shitty vote for no reason?(might have resulted in his own lynch)? The only way hopeless DOESNT vote for onegu, and compromises himself in such a fashion is to protect his scum buddy, who has been bussing hopeless all this time to create some distance

If hopeless is town, then hope is actually lost, and hes also insane for not voting onegu ) : cmon ritoky, yah got dis


It's also worth noting that Onegu is currently trashing his vote by voting a non-wagon

honestly the level of play of these guys is so bad, we just need to get rid of them


that's an argument for day 1....or if you're arguing policy lynch them every game until they pick it up. not for the terrible situation we're in...
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 21:31 GMT
#3064
On October 30 2015 06:29 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:28 ritoky wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:26 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:25 gumshoe wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:16 ritoky wrote:
i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia.

onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu

gb/x/x most likely if gb.


there's gotta be at least 2 scum in there though. who's scum if it's not AT LEAST 2 of those 3?


from ritokys perspective, it would have to be xata vivax,

cmon ritoky, why isnt hopeless voting onegu? If hopeless is the only scum between them, why not look more consistent and vote for the guy whose trying to kill you instead of doubling back on a guy you were null at best on, and town read at several points in the game? If hopeless is scum with gb, why vote him when he can just vote for onegu? the guy trying to kill him?
In fact, why draw attention to himself with such a shitty vote for no reason?(might have resulted in his own lynch)? The only way hopeless DOESNT vote for onegu, and compromises himself in such a fashion is to protect his scum buddy, who has been bussing hopeless all this time to create some distance

If hopeless is town, then hope is actually lost, and hes also insane for not voting onegu ) : cmon ritoky, yah got dis


It's also worth noting that Onegu is currently trashing his vote by voting a non-wagon

honestly the level of play of these guys is so bad, we just need to get rid of them


that's an argument for day 1....or if you're arguing policy lynch them every game until they pick it up. not for the terrible situation we're in...


Honestly I think we're in a great situation. I really do. A good number of players have distinguished themselves with good or decent town play and we have a lynch pool of mafia with 1 flailing guy and 2 lurkers. I think we just kill these guys and win the game. really.


this level of contentment being so widespread makes me think if we just kill these 3 town will lose the game...but maybe i am too tinfoil for my own good. i do suck as town.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 21:39 GMT
#3074
well. sorry chroma, i give you the full right to flame me for eternity if we were right from the start and i just pussied out.....



##vote onegu

not gonna read anything until post flip full committed to my stupidity whether it's right or wrong.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 22:00 GMT
#3157
confirmed town.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 22:04 GMT
#3170
well, i am a donkey. but at least i am a confirmed town donkey.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 22:10 GMT
#3182
On October 30 2015 07:06 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 07:04 ritoky wrote:
well, i am a donkey. but at least i am a confirmed town donkey.


yes, you 100 percent are. so still suspect me and xata? Dont tell me you've gone full gb and now we look even scummier T_T


idk what to think, will probably just wait to see me or bh get shot and then do vote analysis either right before phase change or right after.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 22:11 GMT
#3187
also i would like to take this moment to laugh at rayn, yamato and marv for both being wrong on onegu and convincing me wrongly to TR him. har har.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 22:12 GMT
#3189
by both i mean all cuz engrish
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 22:13 GMT
#3193
On October 30 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 07:10 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:
I want EVERY player to comment on these posts. This may be hammering the team.

On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA

Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.

1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?

This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.

The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.

2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.

WITH. AN. UNVOTE.

Let me tell you again.

His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?

3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?

4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.

There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.

But in the case he is...


~ If ONEGU is TOWN

Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.


On October 30 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 28 2015 14:55 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote

##vote Gb


sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you,



On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :

If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.


On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :

If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.


So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless?


scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op.

On October 28 2015 15:48 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :

If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.


So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless?


scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op.


You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point.


Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks.


On October 29 2015 02:22 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote

your move scummers : D


On October 30 2015 01:12 gumshoe wrote:
##Vote gb

I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his.


Quotes for what I've wrote.



On October 30 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:
In case I die
If you guys lynch Onegu tomorrow and he flips mafia: scum team is Onegu/gumshoe/BH

Gumshoe you guys know why.

BH because he was always bringing reasons to call me town but he was wishy washy throghout the game. Then he decided I am mafia with Onegu. When I bring the case on gumshoe, he does everything to dismiss it when the association clearly points out to gumshoe being mafia with Onegu. Here is the proof BH has been dismissing my case without even reading it:

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 30 2015 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:
On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.

Some thoughts for you:

IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.

BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.

I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho.


i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out.


No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared.


haha what?? are you serious

gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum


Did you read what I've brought on him?


not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito


On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ

~ If ONEGU is MAFIA

Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.

1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?

This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.

The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.

2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.

WITH. AN. UNVOTE.

Let me tell you again.

His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?

3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?

4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.

There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.

But in the case he is...


~ If ONEGU is TOWN

Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.


Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D


Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn

Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to


On October 30 2015 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ

~ If ONEGU is MAFIA

Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.

1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?

This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.

The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.

2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.

WITH. AN. UNVOTE.

Let me tell you again.

His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?

3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?

4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.

There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.

But in the case he is...


~ If ONEGU is TOWN

Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.


Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D


Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn

Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to


The problem is: I'm talking about flipped association. Care to read what I asked you to read?
Point out what is wrong on what I've brought.


yeah yeah chill out bro we're lynching 1G today anyways. Almost certainly he's gonna flip scum, and then you're gonna make some kind of asslike push on Gumshoe in an attempt to "look townie", then we lynch you and H1 and win the game



I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie.


Could you explain how scum gumshoe does the work to save you in the end? If he actually was scum, he would see that you're right, and you'd be a huge danger tomorrow. Instead, he chooses to bus scum Onegu???!!!


Onegu could hammer if it wasn't for ritoky????
Bussing Onegu delivers town cred (like the one you're giving gumshoe now)?
Bussing Onegu is okay because he was already looking bad and he would die at some point anyway??

I will counter-question you:

Why would you vote on A TOWN READ instead of a SCUM READ?
Simply as this
.


i just did this and lynched mafia. #rekt
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 22:14 GMT
#3196
On October 30 2015 07:13 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 07:11 ritoky wrote:
also i would like to take this moment to laugh at rayn, yamato and marv for both being wrong on onegu and convincing me wrongly to TR him. har har.


Yes, let's laugh together :D

By the way, ritoky is a bit more likely town now since he jumped recklessly on Onegu D1. Could still be potentially a risky bet for credit, but doubt it really...


the literal only world where i could ever be mafia is me/onegu/gb. otherwise i am confirmed town in every other scenario.

#hammerlyfe #confirmedlyfe
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 22:17 GMT
#3200
On October 30 2015 07:16 Vivax wrote:
Somehow I'm starting to believe GB is really going nuts over being scumread.

In a townie way.

Or maybe I'm falling for his angry puppy eyes.


they make you swoon in all the right places don't they?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 22:21 GMT
#3203
On October 30 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 07:16 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:10 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:
I want EVERY player to comment on these posts. This may be hammering the team.

On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA

Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.

1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?

This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.

The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.

2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.

WITH. AN. UNVOTE.

Let me tell you again.

His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?

3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?

4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.

There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.

But in the case he is...


~ If ONEGU is TOWN

Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.


On October 30 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:
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On October 28 2015 14:55 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote

##vote Gb


sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you,



On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :

If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.


On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:
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On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :

If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.


So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless?


scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op.

On October 28 2015 15:48 gumshoe wrote:
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On October 28 2015 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :

If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.


So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless?


scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op.


You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point.


Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks.


On October 29 2015 02:22 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote

your move scummers : D


On October 30 2015 01:12 gumshoe wrote:
##Vote gb

I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his.


Quotes for what I've wrote.



On October 30 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:
In case I die
If you guys lynch Onegu tomorrow and he flips mafia: scum team is Onegu/gumshoe/BH

Gumshoe you guys know why.

BH because he was always bringing reasons to call me town but he was wishy washy throghout the game. Then he decided I am mafia with Onegu. When I bring the case on gumshoe, he does everything to dismiss it when the association clearly points out to gumshoe being mafia with Onegu. Here is the proof BH has been dismissing my case without even reading it:

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On October 30 2015 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:
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On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:
On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.

Some thoughts for you:

IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.

BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.

I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho.


i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out.


No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared.


haha what?? are you serious

gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum


Did you read what I've brought on him?


not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito


On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:
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On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ

~ If ONEGU is MAFIA

Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.

1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?

This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.

The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.

2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.

WITH. AN. UNVOTE.

Let me tell you again.

His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?

3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?

4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.

There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.

But in the case he is...


~ If ONEGU is TOWN

Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.


Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D


Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn

Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to


On October 30 2015 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:
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On October 30 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ

~ If ONEGU is MAFIA

Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.

1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?

This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.

The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.

2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.

WITH. AN. UNVOTE.

Let me tell you again.

His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?

3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?

4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.

There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.

But in the case he is...


~ If ONEGU is TOWN

Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.


Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D


Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn

Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to


The problem is: I'm talking about flipped association. Care to read what I asked you to read?
Point out what is wrong on what I've brought.


yeah yeah chill out bro we're lynching 1G today anyways. Almost certainly he's gonna flip scum, and then you're gonna make some kind of asslike push on Gumshoe in an attempt to "look townie", then we lynch you and H1 and win the game



I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie.


Could you explain how scum gumshoe does the work to save you in the end? If he actually was scum, he would see that you're right, and you'd be a huge danger tomorrow. Instead, he chooses to bus scum Onegu???!!!


Onegu could hammer if it wasn't for ritoky????
Bussing Onegu delivers town cred (like the one you're giving gumshoe now)?
Bussing Onegu is okay because he was already looking bad and he would die at some point anyway??

I will counter-question you:

Why would you vote on A TOWN READ instead of a SCUM READ?
Simply as this.


Hm... Well, honestly, gumshoe had already said repeatedly that you were more of a null and unreliable regardless - forced lynch, kind of. I also entertained your lynch many times even though I thought you were more likely town than Onegu. But I'm glad he flipped scum now and we extended our playtime. Harder for scum to endure the extended pressure.


MY

GOD

XATALOS.

MY GOD.

Did you read what I've wrote? I mean, at all?


no, he's not big on reading what others write.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 22:26 GMT
#3209
gumshoe i think you're missing it a bit.

he's saying something like you hard defend him, then after being beat on by me and chrom you vote on someone you've been hard town defending. then you swap back.

now while initially this looks like an innocuous moment of weakness it actually was highly significant, because in the tiebreaker scenario you had put GB ahead of 1gu. essentially meaning you damned GB to death without getting your hands dirty in the lynch and for a reason he feels is unjustified at best and scummy at worst.

that said you just talked me into lynching scum, so i am somewhat disinclined to listen to cases on you while my raging hard boner is still around.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 30 2015 01:29 GMT
#3264
On October 30 2015 08:59 Xatalos wrote:
bah... EBWOP

lynch hopeless();

if (hopeless == scum) {
lynch GlowingBear AND Vivax;
else {
lynch GlowingBear AND ritoky;
}

That should end the game, most likely?


except the part where i am confirmed town. how does it feel to be less confirmed than me? must be rough.

#confirmedlyfe
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 30 2015 07:20 GMT
#3277
So anyways let me tell you why I am confirmed town if you haven't figured it out, and why BH is 99% confirmed town.


Day 1: A shennany is attempted by BH onto Onegu. ritoky follows onto Onegu. BH flips back last minute since not enough people followed. ritoky is pooping and doesn't swap back with BH staying on Onegu. BH was legitimately attempting to get Onegu lynched, it wasn't a for fakesies shennany, and I was sheeping 100% of the time cuz BH town so sexy. Town is lynched.

Day 2: I push GB with chroma endlessly. We desperately try to get him lynched. Last minute BH tries to pull shennanies and no1 follows him. Town is lynched.

Day 3: BH beats me with a wrench and GB gives me puppy dog eyes and I give up my read; make the flip and hammer mafia Onegu.

BH led shennanies onto mafia day 1 against his RNG interests and drove the mafia lynch train day 3. If you can't see why he is 99% town from the above, get your eyes checked.

Now for me and why I am confirmed. It is very simple, if I were mafia I am playing against my win condition. The ONLY possible scenario you can believe I am mafia in is me/onegu/GB because I hammered a mafia. The only way I don't become confirmed from this is if it was mafia vs mafia. But then you go look at my voting record. If I were to be on a team with onegu and GB, that would mean I have ONLY VOTED ON MY PARTNERS ALL GAME. I love me a good bus, but that is playing against win con. Further I actively attempted to get at least 1 of them lynched. I shennanied onto 1 of them twice and tried to force shennanies on the other once. You can't get more opposed than that from a pure voting standpoint. There's no possibility of me/onegu/gb as a team and thus there's no possibility I am mafia.

100% confirmed town lyfe. it's hard out here for a pimp.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 30 2015 10:25 GMT
#3281
i just stopped by cuz kid in middle of night. didn't really read much of what you posted there vivax cuz i don't trust my reading comprehension atm.

generally speaking you have made your way to the middle/lower end of my PoE because 1) your game investment and investment in the last lynch feels like it has gone down over time 2) you didn't lynch mafia 3) your tinfoil/crackpot theories have felt contained/not committed to.

a lot of that is my perception of you over the course of the game, but something about perception, reality, and their relationship.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 30 2015 10:27 GMT
#3282
that was @vivax btw

i am tired.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 30 2015 10:43 GMT
#3284
On October 30 2015 19:38 Vivax wrote:
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On October 30 2015 19:25 ritoky wrote:
i just stopped by cuz kid in middle of night. didn't really read much of what you posted there vivax cuz i don't trust my reading comprehension atm.

generally speaking you have made your way to the middle/lower end of my PoE because 1) your game investment and investment in the last lynch feels like it has gone down over time 2) you didn't lynch mafia 3) your tinfoil/crackpot theories have felt contained/not committed to.

a lot of that is my perception of you over the course of the game, but something about perception, reality, and their relationship.


I tinfoil when I feel it's necessary, sometimes only late in the game, you should know that from Guardians of the Galaxy when I only scumread universally townread Toad the night I got killed.

My game investment is as high as it can be when my mafia meta is to have large posting gaps during a day. I feel I have been posting very consistently during the day.

And if you base your game around who lynches mafia and who doesn't without looking at it in detail you don't know how this game works.

And I also feel you should know your place when marv, rayn and yamato all TR me throughout their lives, people I've been playing with for several years.
Cause not only are they confirmed town, they're also not as new around here as you are and I figure that their reads are worth more than yours.

This is probably going to kinda piss you off but it's how it is. I keep reading their filters as well.


Not really, I am historically dogshit as town outside of day 1. On day 1 I am legit godly, but otherwise I am crappy as town. I mean look, I just lynched against what I thought was right and hit mafia, that's how little faith I have in my own town capabilities.

The rayn/marv/yamato defense won't work sorry. They all TR onegu and he was mafia, I invalidate that completely. Maybe my perception of you is altered cuz you post while I sleep a lot of the times.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 30 2015 10:49 GMT
#3285
Alright vivax, I have a question for you. I am going to provoke your thoughts, then probably pass out before you finish your response cuz it's almost 4am.

What do you think about chroma post onegu flip? AND If GB is or flips town what do you think of chroma?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 30 2015 10:51 GMT
#3286
also "who lynched mafia" on a split vote that required a hammer isn't a bad metric if you know it was mafia vs town. 1 component missing unfortunately; but still dun playa hate
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 30 2015 19:31 GMT
#3424
in case you missed it, this is why i am confirmed town:

On October 30 2015 16:20 ritoky wrote:
So anyways let me tell you why I am confirmed town if you haven't figured it out, and why BH is 99% confirmed town.


Day 1: A shennany is attempted by BH onto Onegu. ritoky follows onto Onegu. BH flips back last minute since not enough people followed. ritoky is pooping and doesn't swap back with BH staying on Onegu. BH was legitimately attempting to get Onegu lynched, it wasn't a for fakesies shennany, and I was sheeping 100% of the time cuz BH town so sexy. Town is lynched.

Day 2: I push GB with chroma endlessly. We desperately try to get him lynched. Last minute BH tries to pull shennanies and no1 follows him. Town is lynched.

Day 3: BH beats me with a wrench and GB gives me puppy dog eyes and I give up my read; make the flip and hammer mafia Onegu.

BH led shennanies onto mafia day 1 against his RNG interests and drove the mafia lynch train day 3. If you can't see why he is 99% town from the above, get your eyes checked.

Now for me and why I am confirmed. It is very simple, if I were mafia I am playing against my win condition. The ONLY possible scenario you can believe I am mafia in is me/onegu/GB because I hammered a mafia. The only way I don't become confirmed from this is if it was mafia vs mafia. But then you go look at my voting record. If I were to be on a team with onegu and GB, that would mean I have ONLY VOTED ON MY PARTNERS ALL GAME. I love me a good bus, but that is playing against win con. Further I actively attempted to get at least 1 of them lynched. I shennanied onto 1 of them twice and tried to force shennanies on the other once. You can't get more opposed than that from a pure voting standpoint. There's no possibility of me/onegu/gb as a team and thus there's no possibility I am mafia.

100% confirmed town lyfe. it's hard out here for a pimp.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 30 2015 19:32 GMT
#3425
i fully expect the shot to be on me or BH tonight, being that i am essentially mod confirmed town, and BH is probably the strongest player who is a top TR alive. anything else is pretty meh.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 30 2015 19:45 GMT
#3433
On October 31 2015 04:41 gumshoe wrote:
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On October 31 2015 04:32 ritoky wrote:
i fully expect the shot to be on me or BH tonight, being that i am essentially mod confirmed town, and BH is probably the strongest player who is a top TR alive. anything else is pretty meh.


You'll probally stick around cause of your self admittedly bad scum reads : p scummers might exploit that. I might actually die now but still seems unlikely with vivax coming after me.


hey hey hey! i was the one who made the PoE list of GB, onegu, hopeless first!!!!! then i just went full bitch mode and backed out of it while everyone else realized it was a good idea...i have good reads, just a habit of talking myself out of them.

regardless you have to shoot people who are unlynchable in lylo. if the team is anything but gb/x i am unlynchable. if it is gb/x there's a 1% chance someone does something stupid even though i am confirmed town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 30 2015 19:46 GMT
#3434
On October 31 2015 04:42 gumshoe wrote:
chrom I just need you to be sure that Ritoky is town in case I do get shot, hes town, if you dont think hes town please say so while I can still convince you that hes town : P


i just re-posted why i am 100% confirmed town in every world. if you don't understand. god help your soul.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 30 2015 19:56 GMT
#3440
On October 31 2015 04:52 gumshoe wrote:
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On October 31 2015 04:45 ritoky wrote:
On October 31 2015 04:41 gumshoe wrote:
On October 31 2015 04:32 ritoky wrote:
i fully expect the shot to be on me or BH tonight, being that i am essentially mod confirmed town, and BH is probably the strongest player who is a top TR alive. anything else is pretty meh.


You'll probally stick around cause of your self admittedly bad scum reads : p scummers might exploit that. I might actually die now but still seems unlikely with vivax coming after me.


hey hey hey! i was the one who made the PoE list of GB, onegu, hopeless first!!!!! then i just went full bitch mode and backed out of it while everyone else realized it was a good idea...i have good reads, just a habit of talking myself out of them.

regardless you have to shoot people who are unlynchable in lylo. if the team is anything but gb/x i am unlynchable. if it is gb/x there's a 1% chance someone does something stupid even though i am confirmed town.


well see : P you've shown a propensity to panic as you say, scum needs a patzy and a dope at lylo (and gb wont work as he will either be scum or dead)

so 100 percent town or not you might make a great dope : P


procedurally i disagree with you about how to win lylo as mafia, but that's neither here nor there.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 30 2015 20:05 GMT
#3446
On October 31 2015 05:01 gumshoe wrote:
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On October 31 2015 04:56 ritoky wrote:
On October 31 2015 04:52 gumshoe wrote:
On October 31 2015 04:45 ritoky wrote:
On October 31 2015 04:41 gumshoe wrote:
On October 31 2015 04:32 ritoky wrote:
i fully expect the shot to be on me or BH tonight, being that i am essentially mod confirmed town, and BH is probably the strongest player who is a top TR alive. anything else is pretty meh.


You'll probally stick around cause of your self admittedly bad scum reads : p scummers might exploit that. I might actually die now but still seems unlikely with vivax coming after me.


hey hey hey! i was the one who made the PoE list of GB, onegu, hopeless first!!!!! then i just went full bitch mode and backed out of it while everyone else realized it was a good idea...i have good reads, just a habit of talking myself out of them.

regardless you have to shoot people who are unlynchable in lylo. if the team is anything but gb/x i am unlynchable. if it is gb/x there's a 1% chance someone does something stupid even though i am confirmed town.


well see : P you've shown a propensity to panic as you say, scum needs a patzy and a dope at lylo (and gb wont work as he will either be scum or dead)

so 100 percent town or not you might make a great dope : P


procedurally i disagree with you about how to win lylo as mafia, but that's neither here nor there.


well lylo is scum convincing someone to lynch the other guy instead of them / : obviously scum want to think ahead so they probably groom for the role but yeah your right, not really a big deal.


right but having 2 people as an option rather than 1 is always the superior state of game. but like i said it's pointless to talk about.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 30 2015 22:41 GMT
#3459
hm
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 30 2015 22:46 GMT
#3460
not really sure what to make of that. wifom tells me suggests a GB/x team otherwise i am confirmed town and should be instantly shot because all other cases i am conf. brain tells me that whoever is making kills needs lessons from me on how to win as mafia....

i kinda wanna lynch GB first just cuz i am greedy and if he is town then i am full confirmed 4 lyfe instead of 99.999999999999999% confirmed like i already am. and if he is mafia then i lynch mafia and have a perfect voting record which means despite my actual play i am actually the best ever. win-win for me. but i seem to remember someone having some reason why hopeless was better first? what was it?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 30 2015 22:56 GMT
#3461
Day 1
Alakaslam (8): raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, Hopeless1der, yamato77, Chromatically, Vivax, gumshoe, Blazinghand
raynpelikoneet (3): Alakaslam, GlowingBear, Onegu
Onegu (2): ritoky, Xatalos

Day 2
yamato77 (4): gumshoe, Xatalos, Hopeless1der, Vivax,
GlowingBear (3): Chromatically, ritoky, Blazinghand
raynpelikoneet (1): GlowingBear
Xatalos (1): raynpelikoneet
Hopeless1der (1): Onegu

Day 3
Onegu (5): Xatalos, Blazinghand, GlowingBear, gumshoe, ritoky
GlowingBear (4): Vivax, Chromatically, Hopeless1der, Onegu



putting this here for me to do stuff with later.

first impressions: i am sexy, vivax and hopeless have voted together every vote, chroma/vivax/hopeless have never voted on conf mafia, no hipster mafia day 1
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 30 2015 23:21 GMT
#3464
well ofc, i am conf town. like literal no one has even tried to go against my case for why i am confirmed cuz they can't handle the truth.

“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 31 2015 00:16 GMT
#3467
On October 31 2015 08:32 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't thibk hopeless is mafia...


cuz?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 20:25 GMT
#3600
mod confirmed town here, being worthless all holiday weekend, haven't really read anything. some1 wanna tell me who to vote?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 20:28 GMT
#3602
k, werx for me
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 20:29 GMT
#3603
also has anyone even tried to go against my confirmed town case yet or is it still GG as fuk?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 20:59 GMT
#3607
no it applies in both cases. if gb is not scum, then i am just confirmed town 0 questions. and if my team is me/gb/onegu then i have legit only voted on and tried to lynch my partners so that can't be my team. aka 100% conf town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 21:43 GMT
#3611
On November 02 2015 06:41 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 14:10 ritoky wrote:
also "could never be gb and vivax". no. let me tell you a story of a game of mafia where gb, damdred, and i rolled mafia. gb makes the first post "OMG I LOVE U GUYS, LET'S ALL BUS THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF EACHOTHER! GOIN FOR DAMDRED!" to which me and damdred also agree and bus the living fuck out of eachother and roflstomp the game. that was a fun game. it's not exactly probable but it is possible.


This doesn't make it sound like you would believe your own argument that you would never possibly have bussed all your teammates.

But let's see GB's alignment.


saying and doing are different categories of commitment. took you 50 pages of shade to actually conjure something tho.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 21:45 GMT
#3612
50 pages of shade didn't sound enuf like 50 shades of grey to make me laugh. damn.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 21:55 GMT
#3613
hey gb, if i've been wrong for like 75% of the game on you. my b. i owe you a chicken sammich.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 22:18 GMT
#3622
so basically all town lists are:

ritoky

everyone else

scum
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 22:24 GMT
#3624
i am conf town

still have a hard time seeing gumdrop and BH as mafia.

chroma i guess slightly more possible post flip

h1 and viv still make bottom of list.

i guess i will try and do vote stuff or read stuff before my inevitable death....which really should have been last night since mafia knew gb would flip town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 22:25 GMT
#3626
On November 02 2015 07:23 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 07:18 ritoky wrote:
so basically all town lists are:

ritoky

everyone else

scum


this shit right here is how you get mislynched like a boss fyi


the truth bruises egos sometimes. i mean it is just simple fact. i am mechanically confirmed town. it is undeniable and any1 who says otherwise is absolutely insane and gutter tier.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 22:27 GMT
#3627
On November 02 2015 07:25 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 07:24 ritoky wrote:
i am conf town

still have a hard time seeing gumdrop and BH as mafia.

chroma i guess slightly more possible post flip

h1 and viv still make bottom of list.

i guess i will try and do vote stuff or read stuff before my inevitable death....which really should have been last night since mafia knew gb would flip town.


scum will never shoot you. Calling it now : P


can you stop passive aggressively calling me bad.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 22:36 GMT
#3631
On November 02 2015 07:34 Vivax wrote:
Mafia won D3 with the Onegu bus already. They're never gonna get lynched before me


who bussed on d3?

gumshoe?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 22:38 GMT
#3633
me, BH, and gumshoe lynched mafia d3. me and BH tried to shennanie onto the same mafia on d1.

so either you think it is me and don't understand mechanics.

you think it is BH and you think he made a sick d1 shennanie bus that he knew wasn't going to materialize.

or you think it was gumdrop.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 22:39 GMT
#3634
On November 02 2015 07:37 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:25 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:24 ritoky wrote:
i am conf town

still have a hard time seeing gumdrop and BH as mafia.

chroma i guess slightly more possible post flip

h1 and viv still make bottom of list.

i guess i will try and do vote stuff or read stuff before my inevitable death....which really should have been last night since mafia knew gb would flip town.


scum will never shoot you. Calling it now : P


can you stop passive aggressively calling me bad.


you are bad, is that better? Do you feel like lynching me now cause I've said the truth? Just because I've bruised your ego doesn't me you should kill me bro.



yes it is better. don't care if you think i am bad. just say it instead of being passive aggressive about it over multiple phases. even if you're wrong about it, but hey everyone got an opinion and a dick size.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 22:45 GMT
#3636
okay, and you calling people bad all game doesn't make them want to lynch you out of spite?

pot -> kettle.

also you're wrong about lylo. i am prone to make my mind up rather quickly in lylo and give 0 shits what people say.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 22:47 GMT
#3638
and i haven't led lynches on multiple townies, JUZZAYIN ZING OMG EVERYONESOBAD ISOGUD PENISSIZE.

doesn't matter. who cares we're both probably town.

this game has been painful to play thru, i kinda just wanna speed-mode sim to the ending or get shot in the night.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 22:50 GMT
#3641
On November 02 2015 07:46 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 07:39 ritoky wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:37 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:25 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:24 ritoky wrote:
i am conf town

still have a hard time seeing gumdrop and BH as mafia.

chroma i guess slightly more possible post flip

h1 and viv still make bottom of list.

i guess i will try and do vote stuff or read stuff before my inevitable death....which really should have been last night since mafia knew gb would flip town.


scum will never shoot you. Calling it now : P


can you stop passive aggressively calling me bad.


you are bad, is that better? Do you feel like lynching me now cause I've said the truth? Just because I've bruised your ego doesn't me you should kill me bro.



yes it is better. don't care if you think i am bad. just say it instead of being passive aggressive about it over multiple phases. even if you're wrong about it, but hey everyone got an opinion and a dick size.


I was actually trying to impersonate your tone : P

I dont actually have a huge problem with your play, I just dont like you taunting us, as it gives scum wiggle room (vivax has already seeded against you today)

also you've shown the most doubt as to the plan and certain reads the town holds in high regard, you actually called bh scum day 3 -_- your uncertainty is a weakness mafia cant afford not to exploit. Thats why your not going to die.



I mean it isn't impossible BH is scum and just made sick plays and rekt my lyfe. He would have had to do RNG as scum for first time in years, then fake shennanie his partner day 1 knowing it wouldn't work, then lead a lynch on his partner d3. No cop does lend itself more to a bus-based strat, but that's pretty elaborate and I have accepted I am probably just gonna lose if BH did all that shit. On d3 before we lynched mafia I had not come to Jesus.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 22:52 GMT
#3644
also you should go talk to kitaman about doing an impersonation of me. guy did it pretty well in the impersonation game. i laughed and called it; but then no1 listened and sadness was had.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 22:54 GMT
#3646
On November 02 2015 07:52 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 07:50 ritoky wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:46 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:39 ritoky wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:37 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:25 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:24 ritoky wrote:
i am conf town

still have a hard time seeing gumdrop and BH as mafia.

chroma i guess slightly more possible post flip

h1 and viv still make bottom of list.

i guess i will try and do vote stuff or read stuff before my inevitable death....which really should have been last night since mafia knew gb would flip town.


scum will never shoot you. Calling it now : P


can you stop passive aggressively calling me bad.


you are bad, is that better? Do you feel like lynching me now cause I've said the truth? Just because I've bruised your ego doesn't me you should kill me bro.



yes it is better. don't care if you think i am bad. just say it instead of being passive aggressive about it over multiple phases. even if you're wrong about it, but hey everyone got an opinion and a dick size.


I was actually trying to impersonate your tone : P

I dont actually have a huge problem with your play, I just dont like you taunting us, as it gives scum wiggle room (vivax has already seeded against you today)

also you've shown the most doubt as to the plan and certain reads the town holds in high regard, you actually called bh scum day 3 -_- your uncertainty is a weakness mafia cant afford not to exploit. Thats why your not going to die.



I mean it isn't impossible BH is scum and just made sick plays and rekt my lyfe. He would have had to do RNG as scum for first time in years, then fake shennanie his partner day 1 knowing it wouldn't work, then lead a lynch on his partner d3. No cop does lend itself more to a bus-based strat, but that's pretty elaborate and I have accepted I am probably just gonna lose if BH did all that shit. On d3 before we lynched mafia I had not come to Jesus.


there ya go : D doubt, you has it, scum whoever they are will exploit it, I dont envy you, you think you have a grip on it now but I can already see the future, you'll lock your vote in the first hour, and then spending the next 48 hours wondering if your right / : gonna be a fun day.


You shouldn't think in absolutes unless mechanics dictate so, like with me. Regardless I can think of only 1 scenario where I vote for BH this game.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 22:57 GMT
#3647
i did the sickest BH impression for like 72 hours that game too, couldn't handle holding it up all game. BH is just too massive for me to handle.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 02 2015 22:09 GMT
#3688
#confirmedlyfe

gg
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 10 2015 09:42 GMT
#3903
On November 10 2015 18:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2015 09:51 Koshi wrote:
And then after the game you blame town for not lynching BH despite you being right about a somewhat trow away BH read? Those 2 fucking lines you had about BH? That's pretty pathetic rayn.

FYI I don't make throw away reads.

And i am not blaming anyone, i am just saying that was an easy conclusion to make.
I don't even know what anyone posted after i died.


Oi oi, except when you try to read me every game.

Rayn is right in 1 regard; universal townread who is strong player lives in a 0 blue role game when people who are questionably townie are dying. Usually means your PoE circle is incorrect. Although hand it to BH, he left the other universal TR (from non-mechanics) alive all game with him so that him staying alive seemed slightly less strange. It was a risk, because if the other shoe ever dropped he was the primary tinfoil target.

Was kinda disappointed in non-vivax townies during LYLO. It was a very closed minded LYLO imo, no major leg work/actual reconsidering. In LYLO there the question of "why did rayn die?" when he wasn't even being TR by half the game and "why did ritoky die?" When although he is conf town, he basically stopped playing due to other commitments; should have been asked and explored along with many other things rather than "I'm right, die."
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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