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[M][N] Mini Mafia: The (kinda) Vanilla Experience

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Vivax
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October 13 2015 17:13 GMT
#40
/in
Vivax
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October 14 2015 14:45 GMT
#49
On October 14 2015 22:21 Palmar wrote:
I curse this game to stall for about 2 weeks

(so I can play)


Since when does that matter, being semi afk is one of your metas.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 14 2015 15:40 GMT
#51
I always wondered if gumshoe is a cryptic word for condom
Vivax
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October 14 2015 16:03 GMT
#55
On October 15 2015 01:00 marvellosity wrote:
what's a condom?


You only need it when you are into naked jogging
Vivax
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21972 Posts
October 14 2015 16:03 GMT
#56
In case it rains
Vivax
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October 15 2015 17:18 GMT
#64
I vehemently protest against Koshi being disallowed from playing this game
Vivax
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October 15 2015 17:19 GMT
#65
I encourage the OP to make this game not follow the banlist or the Don will make him an offer he can't refuse
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 15 2015 21:44 GMT
#67
On October 16 2015 06:20 Rels wrote:
This game follows the banlist. Bring in the horse heads


U WOT

[image loading]
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 17 2015 18:20 GMT
#77
Signup list is almost like from a few years ago.
Vivax
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21972 Posts
October 20 2015 09:44 GMT
#137
##teamvanilla
Vivax
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21972 Posts
October 20 2015 18:41 GMT
#155
When you come home after passing an exam and your desktop computer doesn't boot and you just want to watch the world burn, that's when this game should have started.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 16:13 GMT
#162
On October 21 2015 12:58 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 03:41 Vivax wrote:
When you come home after passing an exam and your desktop computer doesn't boot and you just want to watch the world burn, that's when this game should have started.


Congrats on the exam! Remind me again what you are studying?


At the moment professional human butchery.

Creeps intended.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 17:19 GMT
#165
You can probably remove Robik
Vivax
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Last Edited: 2015-10-21 17:41:31
October 21 2015 17:36 GMT
#171
On October 22 2015 02:26 Xatalos wrote:
What happened to Robik? Haven't followed the forum too much lately.


He brought the holy banhammer of endless wrath upon himself after saying some nasty things.

Emphasis on endless
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 17:55 GMT
#173
Cheating doesn't involve manipulating votecounting programs, you know what to do.
Vivax
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21972 Posts
October 21 2015 21:00 GMT
#178
hype
Vivax
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October 21 2015 21:01 GMT
#181
On October 22 2015 06:00 Chromatically wrote:
Hi guys! I'm town


You're wearing no pants on your head, you must be scum.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 21:06 GMT
#184
I'm thinking of a general strategy to kickstart this thing and skip the banter.

It usually involves getting on the nerves of some prickly dude.

##Vote yamato77

Cause he complained about flavour.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 21:09 GMT
#186
On October 22 2015 06:09 Xatalos wrote:
Seems legit.

Tried to find the Mafia comic where people wore pants on their heads, but didn't find it. Would appreciate link.


Go to omgus, it's the guide on how to play mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 21:11 GMT
#188
[image loading]
Vivax
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October 21 2015 21:19 GMT
#194
That's ballsy gumbro
Vivax
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October 21 2015 21:28 GMT
#206
What's modulo again? Like in this case the 13th square root of that shitty number?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 21:30 GMT
#208
We might already have caught mafia here since yammo doesn't reply in response to my phantastic intimidating presence.

When he's afk he's mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 21:34 GMT
#216
This page:

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Vivax
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October 21 2015 21:38 GMT
#223
On October 22 2015 06:33 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 06:30 Vivax wrote:
We might already have caught mafia here since yammo doesn't reply in response to my phantastic intimidating presence.

When he's afk he's mafia.

I just don't take you seriously.

If I do that and you're town, one of us is almost certainly going to die.

If I do that and you're mafia, it won't help lynch you in any way.


That doesn't make any sense.

Your reply isn't influenced by my alignment, only by yours.

Besides you might reverse that and say that if I'm mafia one of us is going to die, which is good.
Or that if I'm town it won't help get me lynched, which is also good.

But you chose to be a party pooper.
So you're mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 21:41 GMT
#229
On October 22 2015 06:40 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 06:38 Vivax wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:33 yamato77 wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:30 Vivax wrote:
We might already have caught mafia here since yammo doesn't reply in response to my phantastic intimidating presence.

When he's afk he's mafia.

I just don't take you seriously.

If I do that and you're town, one of us is almost certainly going to die.

If I do that and you're mafia, it won't help lynch you in any way.


That doesn't make any sense.

Your reply isn't influenced by my alignment, only by yours.

Besides you might reverse that and say that if I'm mafia one of us is going to die, which is good.
Or that if I'm town it won't help get me lynched, which is also good.

But you chose to be a party pooper.
So you're mafia.

No, I chose not to participate in the propagation of stupidity.


How is it stupid to want to have you play the game faced against the overwhelming odds that are my unbeatable arguments?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 21:45 GMT
#234
On October 22 2015 06:44 ritoky wrote:
bh sleeping on me winning 6 of my 7 games as mafia on these forums made me die a little inside.


I want to townread you for this post but that would be a bit premature for a decisive guess.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 21:55 GMT
#244
I'm always open to getting people to have WTF moments.

##Unvote
##Vote rayn
Vivax
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October 21 2015 22:01 GMT
#254
ritoky made a case that I really liked at first, especially the extra lines stuff displays the awkwardness with which gumshoe is writing his posts, but I got my own way of reading gumbro.

Something inside me really wants to townread ritoky, and that snake picture just cracked me up.
Vivax
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October 21 2015 22:03 GMT
#255
But really every minute that passes that yamato isn't posting I'll probably just lynch him. Also whenever he posts he's incredibly grumpy in a setting that feels pretty relaxed to me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 22:06 GMT
#261
On October 22 2015 07:04 Xatalos wrote:
Dunno. I really don't know how gumshoe should be read. You know? I remember him being a really inactive/bad town once and he was basically policy lynched. Then he was extremely similar as scum and managed to survive like that (I even defended him because of him being similar as town earlier lol). Here he's surprisingly actually posting stuff... Or has he started generally posting lately?


He used to be a very talkative townie, the walls o text type of townie. I think the policy lynch thingy was an exception, and seeing a wall of text posted makes me already feel better about him in this game.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 22:09 GMT
#264
On October 22 2015 07:08 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 07:04 Chromatically wrote:
I don't like ritoky so far. The stuff ritoky is saying to me is more of a "textbook" mafia tell that ends up not being very relevant in an actual game, coupled with the fact that he used it to jump on an easy target early on. From a mafia perspective, it would be easy to jump into the thread and give a "read" on someone like gumshoe based on a tell.

On October 22 2015 06:45 Vivax wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:44 ritoky wrote:
bh sleeping on me winning 6 of my 7 games as mafia on these forums made me die a little inside.


I want to townread you for this post but that would be a bit premature for a decisive guess.

Why do you think this post is town? I don't think it's alignment indicative.


Hm... I still kind of like the active approach he had. It would be easier to just sheep / bandwagon / blend in without raising original topics as scum than to push an early case.


This on top of the feels from his posts.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 22:13 GMT
#268
Xatalos
ritoky
Blazinghand
gum
shoe

Yamato:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


and rayn gets pranked
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 22:30 GMT
#279
On October 22 2015 07:27 Blazinghand wrote:
by "cheat" btw I mean "cheat on my spouse" not "cheat at mafia", since cheating at mafia is unforgiveable. you get the idea though.


I'm waiting for the day you say you can't play cause your wife is chasing you with a rolling pin.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 22:46 GMT
#293
I like where this is going
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 22:47 GMT
#297
I think he meant which 2 scum cause he's already scumreading a dude. A very particular dude.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 22:47 GMT
#299
Oh cmon :/
Vivax
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21972 Posts
October 21 2015 22:49 GMT
#305
You know it would have been more witty to ask which 2 scum you are waiting for?

-1 points for style
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 22:52 GMT
#312
In my offense I have to say that I'm especially hyped for this game cause my desktop pc needs a doctor and I have pathological traits in regard to games in general (when nothing is around I'll play cards or chess or die trying).
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 22:59 GMT
#325
I feel like marv is town too, the fact he cared so much about the rack and hats post is one reason, as bad or odd as it might sound. I actually wanted to write something very similar and then didn't to write something else, as things go.

Not that it matters much for D1 cause we just vote yamato and if he doesn't do anything that looks like he cares he's mafia.

I'm also mildly suspicious of Chrom but that can wait.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 23:01 GMT
#329
Feels like Chrom didn't really enter the spirit of the game when he was around, or maybe he's just naturally too serious to engage with others when it felt to me like it was a good position to just post something for funzies.

Kind of a transcendent way for me to read him.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 23:02 GMT
#331
The Finns invented some special way to read marv they don't want to share?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 23:10 GMT
#343
I just realized how badly represented my country is on this forum, the brits, north americans and scandinavians have so many players with so much variety and the only thing I can bring to the table is the country of Fritzl, Hitler and Dandel Ion.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 23:15 GMT
#353
On October 22 2015 08:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
anywho, I put my faith in RNGesus
##Vote raynpelikoneet


I really hope for us that you aren't mafia with yamato or this is set to become a pretty sad game.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 23:17 GMT
#358
On October 22 2015 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 08:15 Vivax wrote:
On October 22 2015 08:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
anywho, I put my faith in RNGesus
##Vote raynpelikoneet


I really hope for us that you aren't mafia with yamato or this is set to become a pretty sad game.

he is not scum.


Which one.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 23:20 GMT
#364
On October 22 2015 08:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 08:17 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 08:10 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 22 2015 08:04 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it.


Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition.

In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat.

1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum.

2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_-

3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health.

we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely.

ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good)

this.
this is a big post of nonsense.


this is basically you saying welcome back : D . I'll tldr the post. I think bh's argument for random makes sense coming out of scum only if you except town not to listen(or you can sabotage the rng) and makes sense out of town only if your trying to look substancey and dont actually think it'll come to a random lynch. So I dont think BH honestly wants an rng lynch / : cause that would be silly, even in a game with good scum. What does that say for his alignment? Not much at all. Basically at the time I didnt think bhs actions meant he was townie, just that he was being active and probably insincere.

I might be totally wrong about but such is the risks of early reads. But yeah, rng is silly, case in point your on the chopping block right now for no reason. Do you think your scum? Do you think BH is derp? if no to both this statements then mine has at least as much chance to be true as there is to lynch into you and hit maf.

Can you tldr your tldr?


Rayns a big meanie, nothings changed. Plus I think BH doesnt actually think theres gonna be an rng lynch, his post is just a way to look daring plus active as ethier alignment. I wasnt a fan of him becoming entrenched as town based of something pretty neutral, the reason I posted was because I felt it wasnt obvius that his rng theory was neutral. Rng play is a risky one for scum, but if you assume town wont go for it and are just feigning the play to build filter, then it's totally neutral.

gumshoe you need to work on your tldr.

TL;DR: BH's RNG post=null

See how that works?


No it doesn't work like that cause when gummy is being logorrhoic I can townread him.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 23:25 GMT
#372
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, isn't that Catull, that lovesick idiot?
Vivax
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21972 Posts
October 21 2015 23:26 GMT
#373
The nerdiness in this game is reaching insurmountable heights
Vivax
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October 21 2015 23:28 GMT
#375
Oh it's some shitty placeholder text pasted together from parts of one of cicero's speeches.
I really want to lynch you now hopeless.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 23:33 GMT
#383
On October 22 2015 08:31 gumshoe wrote:

Still leaving my vote on vivax though, because he has the superior rack,


No I don't have tits
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 23:34 GMT
#385
On October 22 2015 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
atalos you're gonna go to see prodigy on Nov 3th?


RAYN DON'T DO THIS TO ME
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 21 2015 23:45 GMT
#409
He's severely scarred, rayn. Stop tormenting him.
Vivax
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21972 Posts
October 22 2015 00:03 GMT
#418
On October 22 2015 08:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Hi I'm town

And I'm in my class


You have class at night over there?

It's ranging from 7 to 10 PM according to google.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 22 2015 00:06 GMT
#420
On October 22 2015 09:05 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 07:43 Xatalos wrote:
When you stare into the Chupazi, the Chupazi stares back.

Folks when it loses it's uniqueness it loses it's power


hijole
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 22 2015 00:07 GMT
#421
GB there are two options here, you're either lying or in a tabledance class
Vivax
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October 22 2015 00:34 GMT
#428
Okay then, I'll go with the night classes, and to bed.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 22 2015 15:52 GMT
#499
I got a dinner with the other students and staff at 7:30 PM, will be around for a bit and either back today or tomorrow.

GB did you totally ignore the post where I actually muse about ritoky's alignment for a bit before deciding to townread him?

Or the fact that going aggressive on yamato early was part of my early game strategy, which I also said in the thread (and later turned to actual confidence on him being scum).

I saw he posted a bit on the phone today so I'll have to process that first, but that's not the point I'm making with this post.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 22 2015 16:02 GMT
#505
On October 22 2015 13:23 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think Vivax is mafia.

I think Xatalos has some questionable parts of his filter and I agree with gumshoe to an extent.

I do not think gumshoe is mafia very often (given his play this game).

I think marv has changed how he plays (quite obviously). Don't know what to make of that quite yet.

I think rayn is leaning town but it's hard to say with not much having happened.

Most others are a big ?, including yourself.

tl;dr it's been 20 pages and 8 hours and no reads are confident.


I'm kinda bothered by the fact yammo feels like giving reads on people he doesn't actually have a read on instead of focusing on the stuff he finds interesting. Reads a bit like an appeasement post.

Last town yammo I saw (the one where he lynched me at lylo over scum Damdred) he was actually active on D1 and even surprisingly dickish about things, the capslock type dickish, and there's plenty of stuff to laugh about in this game and he doesn't feel like having fun, still.

I'm not really convinced by this. I can totally picture somebody in the scum qt urging him to post, the little tinfoil on my shoulder wants it to be rayn.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 22 2015 16:03 GMT
#506
On October 23 2015 01:00 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 23 2015 00:50 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 00:48 GlowingBear wrote:
His first post was a vote on yamato?

And yes, he CAN do it as town, but his whole filter has posts in similar fashion. And I usually see Vivax being paranoid. Not this straight forward.

This doesn't make sense. He calls yamato mafia and so he's not paranoid? What are you saying?

Like I get what you're saying about the townlist, but you need to explain it much much better about calling people mafia.


I may be wrong here marv, but what I'm trying to say is not that he is calling people mafia, but that his posts are very straight forward here (that's what I trying to saying with "absolutes" = he calls a player mafia, he calls a player town - I don't see him having a slow progression on most people. And I'm used to Vivax being way more wary before giving reads).

It's basically tonal.

This is the same Vivax who tunnelled me and HF and one other based on a connection theory for abour 36h starting from half an hour into day 1, yes? That Vivax who is wary of giving reads?


lol
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 22 2015 16:27 GMT
#512
On October 23 2015 01:12 GlowingBear wrote:
EBWOP

Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 01:02 Vivax wrote:
On October 22 2015 13:23 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think Vivax is mafia.

I think Xatalos has some questionable parts of his filter and I agree with gumshoe to an extent.

I do not think gumshoe is mafia very often (given his play this game).

I think marv has changed how he plays (quite obviously). Don't know what to make of that quite yet.

I think rayn is leaning town but it's hard to say with not much having happened.

Most others are a big ?, including yourself.

tl;dr it's been 20 pages and 8 hours and no reads are confident.


I'm kinda bothered by the fact yammo feels like giving reads on people he doesn't actually have a read on instead of focusing on the stuff he finds interesting. Reads a bit like an appeasement post.

Last town yammo I saw (the one where he lynched me at lylo over scum Damdred) he was actually active on D1 and even surprisingly dickish about things, the capslock type dickish, and there's plenty of stuff to laugh about in this game and he doesn't feel like having fun, still.

I'm not really convinced by this. I can totally picture somebody in the scum qt urging him to post, the little tinfoil on my shoulder wants it to be rayn.


Vivax you KNOW that if yamato is town he will eventually come to the thread and try. It has been like that for a long time. It's the kind of player that you get better read on him as the game goes by.

Instead you decided to push him at the start of day 1 and is actually scum reading him for being AFK for less than 24 hours.


Yes cause he didn't interact much with everyone else and only talked about him not wanting to engage with me and Xata, plus he entered the thread with that shitty complaining tone, the sort of tone Palmar caught you with, the jist being "complaining and not doing anything about it".

Then his half assed reads post.
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October 22 2015 16:30 GMT
#513
GB you are attacking someone who is doing stuff for attacking somebody who isn't doing stuff and you aren't exactly a guy who doesn't know me.

A mafia yamato is an easy catch and on D1 I'm not going to try and go for the hard catch. Pull the head out of your ass or keep being ridiculous but then don't complain if I disregard anything you say.
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October 22 2015 21:14 GMT
#614
on my way home and phoneposting. am i imagining this or dif gb stop posting when i did as well
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October 22 2015 21:58 GMT
#654
On October 23 2015 06:52 yamato77 wrote:

GB, on the other hand, hasn't posted anything outside of what I believe he could post as mafia, so I'm still quite suspicious of him.


Do expand cause it feels like you might get on my good side with this.

Then again I could be able to talk myself into believing it's the only reason for you saying that since I'm the guy who's getting on your nerves the most so far, but it'd still be a start.
Vivax
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October 22 2015 22:00 GMT
#656
I feel so euphoric that this dinner was so nice and so sad that it ended.
Guess that's what you call bittersweet.
Vivax
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October 22 2015 22:07 GMT
#662
I should be like super green, I don't know what's wrong with you people.

I'm a tide of open mindedness and emotions with a bastard coating to discern the weak from the strong.
Vivax
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October 22 2015 22:09 GMT
#668
Yamato tell us more about this GB stuff please.
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October 22 2015 22:15 GMT
#677
Good news boys, yammo either just pocketed me like a newb or he's actually town.

Now I know the above doesn't mean anything but I'm going for the he's town thingy.
Vivax
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October 22 2015 22:19 GMT
#683
Everyone shut up I'm hardclaiming cop
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October 22 2015 22:25 GMT
#692
Anyway I'm gonna try to be the judge of this ritoky rayn stuff and get to the bottom of these two.
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October 22 2015 22:32 GMT
#704
On October 23 2015 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato i just don't thee scum GB here.
meh.. i guess i can be wrong here but idk. I just don't see it.


Come on man you can give something more definitive than this.
Vivax
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October 22 2015 22:38 GMT
#706
Finished reading over ritoky's filter and besides that there are some things in there that make me feel like he's town (like his faith in humanity post), I feel kinda irked by the way he leaves behind his gumshoe stuff, but that's also something I might wrongly scumrad him for, so I see little reason so far to scumread him for anything specific.
Vivax
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October 22 2015 22:49 GMT
#716
Bothers me how first GB goes from "Vivax mafia cause tone" when most people agreed that it's my town tone, and then thinks of another reason to scumread me for and switches over to saying that he's suspicious of my townreads cause he doesn't know how they're formed.

So um yeah, either my tone sucks but then my townreads don't have anything to do with it, and when confronted with other people's opinions (marv was hitting that with a pneumatic hammer) he abandons it and starts looking for another reason to bitch about my alignment, so he asks me some fancy questions "why do you townread these dudes" when it's a question he could ask anyone without having to scumread them first.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 10:02 GMT
#793
On October 23 2015 10:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:53 Xatalos wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:49 Vivax wrote:
Bothers me how first GB goes from "Vivax mafia cause tone" when most people agreed that it's my town tone, and then thinks of another reason to scumread me for and switches over to saying that he's suspicious of my townreads cause he doesn't know how they're formed.

So um yeah, either my tone sucks but then my townreads don't have anything to do with it, and when confronted with other people's opinions (marv was hitting that with a pneumatic hammer) he abandons it and starts looking for another reason to bitch about my alignment, so he asks me some fancy questions "why do you townread these dudes" when it's a question he could ask anyone without having to scumread them first.


Maybe you're onto something.... Well, it does kind of feel like a premeditated push.


No it doesn't.
1.There is no scum-motivation behind trying to push someone who is being universally townread. If scum wants to push someone, they will push mislynchable townies. They (usually) are never going against a hard target.

2.I pushed Vivax because I don't like his tone and his easy town passes. I can find it scummy before further investigating it.

I'm re-reading the game atm.


1. Wow look at you with the pants on your head, scum would never wear pants on their head.

2. The point is that you can just stick to your guns in that case instead of complaining about me not explaining my reads which is something that doesn't catch scum most of the time. There are dozens of read lists in this game and not every read is explained properly, it's a bottomless barrel.

For example there's you saying marv has changed his playstyle and you're not sure about it and then he's suddenly green in the list post of yours, if I ask you why you'd say "I changed my read cause bsbs", great. If I call you scum for it you will just give a reasonable explanation.

Or the irony in saying my reads are too static but being suspicious about me giving out too many of them, and basically being the first to do so.

You accuse first and ask questions later, that's what I demonstrated with the post of mine and I have a hard time seeing you as the kind of guy who usually tunnels me for reasons I don't understand (like Koshi/Artanis/marv in earlier days).
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October 23 2015 10:03 GMT
#794
Will be back at most likely 4-5 PMish
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October 23 2015 10:22 GMT
#801
Somebody give me a good reason why GB is town cause I don't want to feel like I'm just chasing stupid and not malicious cases.

Marv if your theory about Slam is correct it also means that everybody who actually started making cases on rayn before slam hooked himself into that bait was town.

Cause that's usually when scum bites: When townies are wrongly suspicious about a town dude.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 10:27 GMT
#804
On October 23 2015 19:23 marvellosity wrote:
there were people attacking rayn before?

who was it?


I didn't check that but I like it as a premise.

I'm assuming BH, Xata and if I'm not incorrect some minor suspicion here and there.
Yes I was lazy.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 10:29 GMT
#806
My most vivid memory of scumslam was a game on omgus actually. He just did his slam thing with the derpy posts but usually piling up on mislynches that were already going on with a few attacks on the bandwagoned townie to cement that.

I'm not really good at reading him except from the way he behaves with his choice of target.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 10:37 GMT
#808
I suppose he might have changed his style over time cause everyone found out that he's not actually a blithering nutso but a very articulate man who blasts chicks with warm air for a living.
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October 23 2015 10:37 GMT
#809
Anyway really got to catch this train, laters!
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October 23 2015 14:39 GMT
#870
im on phone, when im home its probably going to be on between me and gb cause hes rustling my jims
Vivax
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October 23 2015 14:42 GMT
#873
like he spent more than half of his filter only talking about me and then he suddenly starts posting a whole spectrum of reads, i assume that if he has. wekness in his filter im gonna find it there.

also yeah the unsure about marv thingy was yamato i think, mistook his post for gbs
Vivax
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October 23 2015 14:52 GMT
#890
On October 23 2015 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 19:28 marvellosity wrote:
the funny thing is, one thing that makes me unsure about GB being mafia - both rayn and I stated pretty early that Vivax was town and I think it was kinda obvious we were serious about it. So I guess GB-mafia in that instance somehow decides to go against both me and rayn and push a very weak meta case? it's practically suicidal. maybe he's just town and believes it... dno right now

and btw this is what GB does as scum.
He basically does something that is "too scummy to be scum" then, when called out for it he says "mafia would never do that so i am not mafia". Hell he isn't even really defending his read (see Trfel/Damdred last game), he just says "i would not pick Vivax as my target as mafia because people are townreading him".


yea it felt that way in a post i quoted where he said he cant be scum cause he has pants on his head.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 15:40 GMT
#949
Why does this D1 feel like it's full of little Vivaxes trying to go against the grain way too hard
Vivax
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October 23 2015 15:40 GMT
#952
Marv already has a bug spray on his desk
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October 23 2015 15:43 GMT
#957
LOL
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October 23 2015 15:49 GMT
#967
Big racks and little vivaxes, this is getting awkward
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October 23 2015 15:53 GMT
#976
In the spirit of the grain I can do a Slam lynch
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October 23 2015 15:58 GMT
#983
On October 24 2015 00:57 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 00:52 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 00:50 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 24 2015 00:36 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 00:32 Xatalos wrote:
GB, if you're town, seriously don't just commit suicide here. Looks like it's heading towards you vs rayn and it'd be sad if you caused your own death there, like a certain player in my newbie game....


I'm not commiting suicide, I'm getting angry that such shitty scum read on me based on a read that I find very reasonable and I'm having a hard time believing good players can't possibly see I'm town.

On October 24 2015 00:30 Rels wrote:

Xatalos (1): Chromatically




Tell me more about the "shitty scum" reading you. You obviously have more people in mind, who are your detractors?


I meant "shitty scumreads", not shitty scum reading me.

I think I buy this. Am I crazy?


No you display basic human intelligence.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 15:59 GMT
#985
GB if you're town and genuinely pissed off try to walk away from the game for a moment, forget that your shitty push on me only got you into trouble, accept that you were wrong and start looking in other places as well. Nobody's mad at you.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 16:38 GMT
#1034
On October 24 2015 00:28 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 00:22 marvellosity wrote:
GB you are not Onegu.

case against me debunked.

ez game ez life.


Marv here is your logic.

GB is mafia because his read is bad.
Onegu sheeps bad read.
Onegu isn't mafia.

You're saying a bad read is scummy but blindly sheeping a bad read isn't.

Come on.


I'm still quite keen on lynching GB for his flailing about the scumreads on him. Usually when scum is pressured like that, this is one of the kinds of poop that comes out: They compare themselves to a random guy who did something similar complaining that he's not being scumread instead of them.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 16:41 GMT
#1038
Slam I really enjoy that you brought out your Dr Jekyll but tbh GB is literally glowing for me.
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October 23 2015 16:47 GMT
#1043
I'm the Xata whisperer usually, unless you improved I am able to see if you're robotown or actual town
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October 23 2015 16:49 GMT
#1046
Oh Slam with the seniority argument.

I remember how I used that in my first games, trying to incite a revolution of the masses to overhtrow the vet government.

Then I got hanged, torn and quartered.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 16:51 GMT
#1049
I meant drawn and quartered, something didn't feel right.

Xata I mean that I can feel when you're fake posting and actually posting.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 16:53 GMT
#1055
I still see little reason to revoke my townread or to read cases on you, but that might change if I decide to go over your filter for some reason.

You felt pretty solid to me early in the game, I'm still sticking to that.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 16:55 GMT
#1058
On October 24 2015 01:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 01:49 Vivax wrote:
Oh Slam with the seniority argument.

I remember how I used that in my first games, trying to incite a revolution of the masses to overhtrow the vet government.

Then I got hanged, torn and quartered.

I'm not saying they shouldn't use it as town. More that they are using it scummily here.


If it comforts you I feel ambiguous about rayn too when he goes after you and not GB but I also take into consideration that we all got massive egos.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 16:56 GMT
#1061
Yeah actually my lynch-bh-meter is rising continuously every hour that passes that he isn't posting while everyone is bashing their heads in.
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October 23 2015 16:57 GMT
#1064
On October 24 2015 01:56 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 01:53 Vivax wrote:
I still see little reason to revoke my townread or to read cases on you, but that might change if I decide to go over your filter for some reason.

You felt pretty solid to me early in the game, I'm still sticking to that.


Alright... And what's your stance on the whole debacle between me/rayn/Slam?


Be good and lynch GB with me.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 17:02 GMT
#1070
I've been invited by some friends to a game of poker and austrian national sport (getting wasted), not sure if I'll be around at deadline.

Some agreement would be nice, and if that isn't obvious I'm leaning towards a certain guy over another.

Gumbro it's time to pick sides.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 17:03 GMT
#1072
But rayn and marv are arrogant, I don't see the value in reinventing the wheel there.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 17:04 GMT
#1074
Christ isn't this supposed to be a game of people who know each others since years and there are still people surprised about some others' personalities?
Vivax
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October 23 2015 17:05 GMT
#1076
for years*

My grammar is feeling wacky today
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October 23 2015 17:07 GMT
#1078
Xata I'm surprised you agreed on my points on GB and abandon them for an emotional response he provoked in you. I was expecting you to see where everyone's coming from on him.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 17:21 GMT
#1086
Chrom bothers me actually, he posts as if he had a broom up his arse, regardless of the content.
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October 23 2015 17:32 GMT
#1087
Looks like blazingham is afkteak so he will probably ketchup after the lunch
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October 23 2015 17:32 GMT
#1088
Yes Im bored
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October 23 2015 17:36 GMT
#1090
On October 24 2015 02:34 yamato77 wrote:
I have arrived


Not a carrier, just a shitty arbiter still
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October 23 2015 18:07 GMT
#1117
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?


Sorry, why is he okay?

BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.

I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.


You mean my yolo townread on yamato?

Didn't somebody already tell you that you should read the game.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 18:09 GMT
#1122
On October 24 2015 03:08 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?


Sorry, why is he okay?

BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.

I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.

Perhaps a valid point.


Oh boy another one poking at a bee hive.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 18:09 GMT
#1125
On October 24 2015 03:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 03:07 Vivax wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?


Sorry, why is he okay?

BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.

I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.


You mean my yolo townread on yamato?

Didn't somebody already tell you that you should read the game.


I've read the game but I didn't see that?


On October 23 2015 07:15 Vivax wrote:
Good news boys, yammo either just pocketed me like a newb or he's actually town.

Now I know the above doesn't mean anything but I'm going for the he's town thingy.

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October 23 2015 18:12 GMT
#1129
On October 24 2015 03:08 marvellosity wrote:
Meta point on Chromatically:

In Detention (town) he didn't give a single townread on day 1
In Order Mafia (mafia) he did
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 07:44 Chromatically wrote:
I think round is town btw. I like how he's clearly not editing how he posts to seem more "townie" (something scum are focused on). I also like that he didn't even know who was pushing on him when I asked him about it. Scum would be more likely to notice that they're under pressure and be worried about it, because their goal is to not get lynched.

In this game he has given town reads

I'm looking at this because it was a couple of his posts on townreads that made me raise my eyebrows


The only thing raising my eyebrows when I look for what you could mean by that is that he calls it a slam dunk case when ritoky posts the snake picture just like he did in a game as mafia.

I was initially thinking he was joking but given that it looks like he went deeply into his meta maybe that isn't the case.
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October 23 2015 18:13 GMT
#1132
On October 24 2015 03:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 03:07 Vivax wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?


Sorry, why is he okay?

BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.

I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.


You mean my yolo townread on yamato?

Didn't somebody already tell you that you should read the game.


Cool that you are actively reading the thread and only came back 30 minutes later when I quoted your name.
I just saw it in your filter.


LOL you can't be serious. I'm all over this place when I'm in front of a computer.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 18:16 GMT
#1136
On October 24 2015 03:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 02:36 Vivax wrote:
On October 24 2015 02:34 yamato77 wrote:
I have arrived


Not a carrier, just a shitty arbiter still


Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 03:07 Vivax wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?


Sorry, why is he okay?

BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.

I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.


You mean my yolo townread on yamato?

Didn't somebody already tell you that you should read the game.


Timestamps, bro.


You don't have what it takes to get my jokes.

"Carrier has arrived" - Carrier
"I have arrived" - yamato
Arbiter - Yamatos avatar
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October 23 2015 18:19 GMT
#1141
How GB reads "shitty arbiter" as "mafia" will probably remain an unsolved mistery for the rest of eternity.
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October 23 2015 18:21 GMT
#1144
On October 24 2015 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 03:13 Vivax wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:09 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:07 Vivax wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?


Sorry, why is he okay?

BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too.

I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.


You mean my yolo townread on yamato?

Didn't somebody already tell you that you should read the game.


Cool that you are actively reading the thread and only came back 30 minutes later when I quoted your name.
I just saw it in your filter.


LOL you can't be serious. I'm all over this place when I'm in front of a computer.


I was referring to this, Vivax.


I have no idea what you're talking about. It rather feels like there's an angry chihuahua constantly barking at me and nobody knows why.
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October 23 2015 18:26 GMT
#1148
On October 24 2015 03:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 19:02 Vivax wrote:
On October 23 2015 10:38 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:53 Xatalos wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:49 Vivax wrote:
Bothers me how first GB goes from "Vivax mafia cause tone" when most people agreed that it's my town tone, and then thinks of another reason to scumread me for and switches over to saying that he's suspicious of my townreads cause he doesn't know how they're formed.

So um yeah, either my tone sucks but then my townreads don't have anything to do with it, and when confronted with other people's opinions (marv was hitting that with a pneumatic hammer) he abandons it and starts looking for another reason to bitch about my alignment, so he asks me some fancy questions "why do you townread these dudes" when it's a question he could ask anyone without having to scumread them first.


Maybe you're onto something.... Well, it does kind of feel like a premeditated push.


No it doesn't.
1.There is no scum-motivation behind trying to push someone who is being universally townread. If scum wants to push someone, they will push mislynchable townies. They (usually) are never going against a hard target.

2.I pushed Vivax because I don't like his tone and his easy town passes. I can find it scummy before further investigating it.

I'm re-reading the game atm.


1. Wow look at you with the pants on your head, scum would never wear pants on their head.

2. The point is that you can just stick to your guns in that case instead of complaining about me not explaining my reads which is something that doesn't catch scum most of the time. There are dozens of read lists in this game and not every read is explained properly, it's a bottomless barrel.

For example there's you saying marv has changed his playstyle and you're not sure about it and then he's suddenly green in the list post of yours, if I ask you why you'd say "I changed my read cause bsbs", great. If I call you scum for it you will just give a reasonable explanation.

Or the irony in saying my reads are too static but being suspicious about me giving out too many of them, and basically being the first to do so.

You accuse first and ask questions later, that's what I demonstrated with the post of mine and I have a hard time seeing you as the kind of guy who usually tunnels me for reasons I don't understand (like Koshi/Artanis/marv in earlier days).


So Vivax, if I understand what you're getting at here, you were tonereaded by Vivax as scum. After people came in to defend you, Vivax then said "GB is pushing easy targets, so he's still scum". Why is GB scum and not a tunnelled townie for this? I think you raise a good point with the marv flip-flop (though again, marv is easy to read this game, so we don't really care about him) but "this guy got tunnelled and changed his reason for scumreading someone" seems like... well, in a vacuum it seems like the kind of thing a townie would do, especially if it's a little unpopular. Scum could easily change reads (as you note GB did on Marv), so why not do that on you? If I've missed context here, fill me in.



Also, if I recall accurately you were one of the early supports of the RNG lynch on rayn. However, glancing through your filter, I don't see anything other than cursory interactions with him between voting him and now, and yet he's no longer on your list. You also write:

Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 01:55 Vivax wrote:
On October 24 2015 01:52 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 24 2015 01:49 Vivax wrote:
Oh Slam with the seniority argument.

I remember how I used that in my first games, trying to incite a revolution of the masses to overhtrow the vet government.

Then I got hanged, torn and quartered.

I'm not saying they shouldn't use it as town. More that they are using it scummily here.


If it comforts you I feel ambiguous about rayn too when he goes after you and not GB but I also take into consideration that we all got massive egos.


Which wasn't too long ago. Where do you stand on rayn, and why? I'm not saying "hurr durr vote rayn now" but I'd like to see a clear statement from you on your position on raynpelikoneet, who used to be a library is obvscum clealry due to rng


In fact there wasn't a read switch by GB in regard to marv, it was my mistake. I think you're typing faster than you read.

I stand on rayn's porch, contemplating life, mostly.
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October 23 2015 18:30 GMT
#1150
I need to leave behind a legacy before I leave, will only be able to follow this game from the phone when I'm in town.

And my legacy, I decree, is to give marv thread control, I'll basically sheep him and work as his propaganda minister.

From this point on you stand with us or against us and all the other demagogic blabla.
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October 23 2015 18:44 GMT
#1165
##Unvote
##Vote Chromatically


He failed the entry test of participating on a wavelength with others (which is why he didn't make it into my initial town list)

He's good at nonstop producing reads with some arguments attached to them but doesn't really interact with the thread much until he gets scummed.

The ritoky picture argument he called a slam dunk argument (Not sure if bad or mafia for this one, but both is also possible. So it's 66 % vs 33%, science never fails).

Feels mechanical (stick up his arse).

And obviously, this is part me, part marv propaganda.
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October 23 2015 19:00 GMT
#1177
I did skim that game trying to catch a glimpse of something sexual
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October 23 2015 19:02 GMT
#1181
On October 24 2015 04:01 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 04:00 Vivax wrote:
I did skim that game trying to catch a glimpse of something sexual


Did you?


Are you telling me there is?
Vivax
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October 23 2015 19:08 GMT
#1191
Anyway enough joking.

I'm not 100 % sold on Chrom. One of the things that give me pause is that he goes for unusual angles of attack, but in a rather flexible way compared to, say,GB.

I can sum up GB like this: Spends like a page of filter talking about me, the argument switch thingy,
then moans and bitches about Onegu not being scumread over him,
some emotional outburst here and there,
after bitching about Onegu he pops a vote on BH for reasons I don't really understand (then BH comes in and is BFF with GB no questions asked but whatever, that's a thing apart),
then he suddenly feels enlightened and makes public he was doing a shitty push after asking some really weird questions I don't understand the point of up to this point,
and then unvotes and kinda afks.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 19:22 GMT
#1213
I switched to Slam, I'm not that confident as you folks about it (in fact I have no own reason at all to do that) but I'll just be going with your flow for today.
Vivax
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October 23 2015 20:49 GMT
#1355
what are theae onegu hipster votea
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October 23 2015 21:24 GMT
#1409
i feel bad for slam but otherwise pretty relaxed
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October 24 2015 18:38 GMT
#1535
I'm almost done writing this goddamn weekly protocol, hung over
Vivax
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October 24 2015 19:49 GMT
#1537
I think I'm going to sleep before deadline.

Chrom why does it have to team rayn or team xatalos?
Vivax
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October 25 2015 08:42 GMT
#1690
I'm suspicious of rayn myself. Xata is most likely town but playing quite erratically, and rayn goes after him before he goes after GB who has been doing really scummy shit, I find that hard to compute.
Vivax
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October 25 2015 09:38 GMT
#1691
On October 24 2015 18:03 marvellosity wrote:
just popping in to say i'm not playing this game until either xata or i are dead, because apparently i'm not allowed to replace out because i loathe playing with someone this game.


Good news marv is going to play the game now.
Oh wait.
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October 25 2015 10:28 GMT
#1693
Anyway going over marv's filter he more or less ended where I was at the start of D1. Well done marv, you've improved (I love writing this when he can't reply).

So Xata, ritoky, gumshoe probably town. Never felt a reason to question that besides when Xata found the tinfoil hat I'm seeming to miss this game, that made me curious but doesn't give me much reason to doubt the alignment still.

BH dropped off the town list, he has entered the circle of crap now and it's D2 so he can quit the act now. I'll, take a closer look at him after posting this.

Chrom is still null cause his posting to me still feels very...controlled. Now this feels important:
It seems like he's out there with his thoughts but the way he packages them and always only posts stuff that seems relevant gives me the feeling he tries to fulfill his duties but doesn't really have fun playing.
I guess his ritoky joke was an exception but it felt so dry that I get doubts whether he thought he was actually being funny.
Reminder to check if he's always this boring and to the point in every game.

GlowingBear is still mafia and I don't think I need to add more to the reasons for thinking that.

And rayn keeps saying that too but then finds another target to maneuver to. I've been noticing this trend since D1 but attributed this to his ego thinking there's a better target. However at EoD I vividly remember him saying how mafia GB is while going for Slam and I was totally expecting him to be with me on him at the start of D2.
No way jose, he yet found another guy to choose over GB and now that's really itching me to the point I stopped wearing the eyepatch with town rayn stitched on the inside.
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October 25 2015 11:32 GMT
#1694
Chrom probably town for content, he mostly stands where I do on various people (except that yamato should absolutely be taken into consideration for mafia again cause after his sporadic tryharding on D1 he has fallen off the radar a lot, and posted some excuse about him playing a game, this time it was CS. Last time he posted one it was as mafia and he was playing Smash).

Meta wise I find him a tough nut to crack, so I'm going with the towny thingy for content, effort etc. . I just feel like he stands more on my side of things with his content in this game as opposed to say rayn, Onegu who I currently don't trust.

Actually everyone who's suspicious of Xata makes me itch inside.

I'm going with hopeless town for reasons of sanity and cause he actually didn't post that little, even though the content quality remains the usual.

Scum is among yamato/rayn/GB/Onegu/BH. Contributing to this game means finding out who the two townies are.
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October 25 2015 11:46 GMT
#1695
On October 25 2015 13:55 Chromatically wrote:
rayn/Onegu, I think you should step back from the game and see that Xatalos is one of the few people really trying to figure out this game. That's not enough to prove him town, but it's really a very strong argument for it and I think there's no way he is the best lynch today.


I agree that I am liking Onegu less and less. Why would you ask GB if the case on him holds water? There's certainly no drive to figure out the game. I didn't like some of the other stuff he said today either (suspicion on ritoky and gumshoe, meta read on rayn seemed kind of like TMI).



Actually I'm putting Chrom back to null cause I feel like these two parts from the last post feel strange to me for the fact he's talking to rayn and Onegu in that moderating way, then voices suspicion about Onegu.

Shouldn't he be like: "I'm also suspicious of Onegu cause he's attacking Xatalos who I think is really obvious town"?

Oh god he's so hard to decide on -_-
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October 25 2015 13:30 GMT
#1699
I'm looking for reasons to townread GB pretty hard, I suspect that large part of me just wants to lynch him for the shitty push so I need to make sure I'm not being emotional here.
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October 25 2015 14:24 GMT
#1701
I'm currently staring at something Onegu said about marv:

Marv is more active but still useless... Like really the best a town marv has is pushing a slam lynch. I guess he pushes GB. Hrmmm guess that is alot more than his last few games.


There is so much TMI in here that I really want to lynch him now.
Vivax
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October 25 2015 15:18 GMT
#1704
It's not just that.

What point is there in discussing marv the way he did if he was indeed thinking that he's town anyway? That stuff reads more like he's simulating doubts.

Why does he automatically assume that Slam is a bad lynch if he doesn't know his alignment and town marv is pushing it?

I'm not even concerned as much that he adresses marv as town marv, the TMI lies more in the fact he calls the Slam lynch bad a priori.
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October 25 2015 15:19 GMT
#1705
Christ this game is so empty today
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October 25 2015 17:03 GMT
#1711
On October 26 2015 01:39 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2015 22:30 Vivax wrote:
I'm looking for reasons to townread GB pretty hard, I suspect that large part of me just wants to lynch him for the shitty push so I need to make sure I'm not being emotional here.


You've being scum reading me all day one.
Now there's an actual case on me. A very effortful one.

and you're thinking about voting Rayn and looking for reasons to town read me?

Lol no way


try to lynch me then and quit being a little bitch
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October 25 2015 17:11 GMT
#1720
like the only reason im questioning my gb read is that his push on me was so shitty it makea me questions my objectivity about him.

i also hate u start posting when i have to phonepost, bleh
Vivax
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October 25 2015 21:21 GMT
#1793
I'll go for the D1 lynch of choice yesterday: GB.
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October 25 2015 21:26 GMT
#1795
And by the way if we shenanny we do it onto yamato who is only posting excuses.
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October 25 2015 21:34 GMT
#1796
In theory if rayn would stop being so angry he could just vote GB and have a proper wagon as well, it's just not his first, but his second choice. I don't see why he wouldn't just be happy with lynching GB with two other people, probably more.
Vivax
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October 26 2015 07:59 GMT
#1886
Wouldn't even be surprised if the three guys who all said they lost it were all mafia.
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October 26 2015 08:16 GMT
#1888
The fun to play.

Good to know you're around BH, why suggest shenannies on hopeless without really making a decision in the GB + yamato set of options? You know it's way easier to just join one of the camps for a successful scum lynch than suggest hopeless who is more coinflippy?
Vivax
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October 26 2015 08:22 GMT
#1891
BH where is your contribution in finding out who is mafia in all that?

I do admit that I was hasty in reading it as you suggesting a hopeless lynch.

But that means you didn't suggest anything, you told Onegu how to play the game.
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October 26 2015 08:23 GMT
#1892
I don't like the tone of this conversation, there's a dick virus going around in this thread and I already have to fight with a mundane one.
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October 26 2015 08:26 GMT
#1895
On October 26 2015 17:24 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2015 17:22 Vivax wrote:
BH where is your contribution in finding out who is mafia in all that?

I do admit that I was hasty in reading it as you suggesting a hopeless lynch.

But that means you didn't suggest anything, you told Onegu how to play the game.


let me show you what's what boyo

##vote Onegu

plus I think we both know that I dont' need to do anything to prove myself innocent since I'm getting shot tonight regardless. I am free of the feelings of "pressure" that others may feel since the only guy who might get shot ahead of me normally, rayn, has given up on playing the game.

and yes I think rayn is town


No you aren't getting shot, don't try to pull the cocky card on me.

Rayn is town in your opinion but GB and yamato have lots of intel on them floating around here and you don't want to pick up on it.
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October 26 2015 08:35 GMT
#1898
All I'm saying is that I don't think it's a good idea to work towards a third wagon right now unless you have reasons to lay out that yamato and GB might be town.

We can only deal with 2 wagons at EoD without giving the three malicious voters too much leverage on the lynch.

I voted Onegu earlier myself but I have to compromise with other dudes who I think are town and share at least a scumread with me, cause just one vote won't decide anything.

So I see it as bad strategy and potentially scummy way to not do anything if you just ignore the 2 main wagons and do your own thing without considering what others are thinking.

I'll have a look at your cogent arguments for GB being town if I find them.
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October 26 2015 09:08 GMT
#1913
BH convinced me a little to pick someone else than GB; but if he keeps not playing and pushing stupid arguments on me I'll have a hard time letting that slide.

Ritoky move with me to yamato?
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October 26 2015 09:12 GMT
#1914
I can say full of confidence that hopeless plays like this 90 % of the games he's town in (or mafia, then he cares even less). But that doesn't apply to usual town yamato. He would at least be a good sheep or spit out some opinions of his own, not constantly spout excuses and do nothing which is what he does as mafia.
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October 26 2015 11:21 GMT
#1927
There's absolutely no reason you should let yamato slide for how he's playing rayn, if you have any reasons for him being town, you can tell them, or you can keep doing your thing.

But the matter is that as far as I know you, you shouldn't be so mad as town, for so long. You know it works both ways, you can also play mad cause you're mafia, not town, and think your team sucks and yamato is on it and isn't doing jack. I could see you getting so upset over that than over say, slam.
Vivax
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October 26 2015 11:53 GMT
#1931
I read them, I'm just quite sure yamato is mafia and dont know why you don't just attempt to agree on that at all. Sometimes you can't have it only your way. You had it with Slam yesterday, today it's others deciding on a guy who looks terrible and that's fair.

Besides the wagons were 3 - 3 with GB getting lynched and all you had to do was vote him? I get you think he's scum but you keep preferring Xata instead and that's really weird.
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October 26 2015 11:56 GMT
#1933
Then on the other hand I could totally see you behaving like this if you're with GB and yammo who both have their backs to the wall.

Or when you need to create a reason for not being NK during the next nights if you're mafia.

I can totally see anyone being suspicious of you the way you're behaving, myself included.
Vivax
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October 26 2015 13:28 GMT
#1968
Is that a truck in front my window? Oh wow there's a truck in front of my window.
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October 26 2015 13:54 GMT
#1979
What's wrong with the economy in Austria nowadays, I'm getting youtube ads that tell me I should become a plumber.
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October 26 2015 14:58 GMT
#2037
Wait Onegu you just said you can't do activity reads on yammo but knowing he has free time you say he's null??? Why not mafia?
Vivax
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October 26 2015 15:02 GMT
#2045
On October 27 2015 00:00 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2015 23:58 Vivax wrote:
Wait Onegu you just said you can't do activity reads on yammo but knowing he has free time you say he's null??? Why not mafia?



Because his day 1 was really townie


No it wasn't really townie, it just looked like he was active enough to not be scum, and that's the best tell for him. If you say that his D1 was really townie you will have to show what besides his activity made it look that way, when you don't wanna scumread him but townread him for it (which is what it looks like).
Vivax
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October 26 2015 15:04 GMT
#2049
Can you leave behind this ridiculous drama ? There's a game to solve and if you're good at that, you're a good townplayer. If you're good at being boo-fucking-hoo you're a terrible townplayer.
Vivax
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October 26 2015 15:10 GMT
#2057
On October 27 2015 00:04 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2015 00:02 Vivax wrote:
On October 27 2015 00:00 Onegu wrote:
On October 26 2015 23:58 Vivax wrote:
Wait Onegu you just said you can't do activity reads on yammo but knowing he has free time you say he's null??? Why not mafia?



Because his day 1 was really townie


No it wasn't really townie, it just looked like he was active enough to not be scum, and that's the best tell for him. If you say that his D1 was really townie you will have to show what besides his activity made it look that way, when you don't wanna scumread him but townread him for it (which is what it looks like).



I dont understand what you are saying...


I'm saying that at best his D1 performance was good enough to give him a D1 pass, more for activity than for the rather mediocre content (like his post where his reads are really ambiguous).

And that means that unless you can show what of his D1 was so townie, you're judging him townie by activity.
But today you say that activity is a bad way of reading him.
Vivax
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October 26 2015 15:21 GMT
#2064
Onegu what the flying frisbee did yamato do that was so townie on D1???

Yamato did some stuff looked townie.


This is from your list post.
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October 26 2015 15:21 GMT
#2066
Hulk smashed some heads looked green
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October 26 2015 15:28 GMT
#2069
On October 27 2015 00:25 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2015 00:21 Vivax wrote:
Onegu what the flying frisbee did yamato do that was so townie on D1???

Yamato did some stuff looked townie.


This is from your list post.



Because he had reads and put effort into the game. He can make posts as scum but he doesnt put effort into his posts. I felt he put actuall thought into his reads. Looked townie to me.


I'm gonna compare his reads to yours from the time in question and tell you if you're mafia in a bit.

I already noticed you had opposite reads on GB so you're one step closer to a bad road.
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October 26 2015 15:36 GMT
#2073
On October 22 2015 13:23 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think Vivax is mafia.

I think Xatalos has some questionable parts of his filter and I agree with gumshoe to an extent.

I do not think gumshoe is mafia very often (given his play this game).

I think marv has changed how he plays (quite obviously). Don't know what to make of that quite yet.

I think rayn is leaning town but it's hard to say with not much having happened.

Most others are a big ?, including yourself.

tl;dr it's been 20 pages and 8 hours and no reads are confident.


So this and the GB scumread is the best effort we see from yamato during D1.

On October 24 2015 02:55 Onegu wrote:
So after catching up.

Marv is more active but still useless... Like really the best a town marv has is pushing a slam lynch. I guess he pushes GB. Hrmmm guess that is alot more than his last few games.

I think gumshoe is falling into the onegu rule.

Rayn is like 90% of his town meta.

Yamato did some stuff looked townie.

GB rolled my RnG.

Havent seen BH again since the start. IIRC he had some reads other than his RnG lynch. Townish I think.

Hopeless said he was going to lynch me for being useless I told him good luck, he didnt bite at the bait. Not looking good. IE rels in rayns game.

I have forever given up on attempting to read slam. Would lynch or wouldnt lynch. Not really top priority.

Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one.

UMMM... Who else.... Oh chrome completely forgettable. Scum read.

Vivax will trust yamato's read on him for now.

Ummm.....

No more Mabs or Town! since my rant post it must have worked.

Damn I am good at this game.

You all call me useless but then you all know my reads are normally right on. Unless they are completely wrong. It is never a mix of right and wrong. And I am more right than wrong.



I bolded everything they should disagree on (and the GB part isn't even included) and I can say with a certain confidence that there's no reason for a town Onegu to blindly trust yamato here, or even give him a town pass for effort when his rayn and marv reads are similarly wishywashy to Onegus.
Vivax
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October 26 2015 15:44 GMT
#2077
Don't forget they could easily both be scum given how they don't care about the game at this point.
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October 26 2015 15:56 GMT
#2088
On October 27 2015 00:47 Chromatically wrote:
I have an easier time thinking that yamato as town could have just lost interest in the game and stopped posting because I felt like he was town during day 1. I think it's much more risky than GB and Onegu who have done scummy things.


What made you feel like he was town? Are you ONegu the second? Everyone's just calling him town on D1 when I see ZERO reasons besides the activity. Like the only reason I ever saw to not lynch yamato was the fact he posted a bit, but there's nothing particularly townie in there.
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October 26 2015 15:56 GMT
#2089
GB what are your current reads?
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October 26 2015 16:20 GMT
#2106
I might not be around at deadline since I'm ill and being ill isn't allowed tomorrow.

I would really like to set everything straight with those I think are town long before any shenannies can cause a ruckus way too early before deadline.

In the last couple of hours my read on rayn has worsened and the read on GB has improved somewhat. I typed up a question asking him if he still thinks I'm mafia but I figure he still does for some reason.
What's good for him is that he's on a good wagon with two who I think are very likely town and myself.

Rayn is being a complete dick and I know he likes to do that as mafia.

Chrom freaks me out with his persistence on GB over yamato.

That said, I wouldn't mind lynching rayn any more, I would even lynch him before GB to make the thread more enjoyable, and cause he doesn't shine town to me as he does to Chrom for some reason.

So I'm calling early shenannies on rayn:

##Unvote
##Vote raynpelikoneet
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October 26 2015 16:25 GMT
#2111
Rayn you know I wouldn't do this if I really didn't think it was necessary, cause here you're either mafia or out of your head.

Otherwise I'd have gone with the plan to let NKs sort you out, but like this it's never gonna happen and you are just impeding progress.
Vivax
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October 26 2015 17:24 GMT
#2181
I have no clue what Chrom is doing.
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October 26 2015 17:27 GMT
#2186
On October 27 2015 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
just because for the last 10 hours i have ACTUALLY played this game.


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October 26 2015 20:05 GMT
#2313
Wtf are you doing wasting your vote BH? Hopeless isnt even that awful compared to his usual standard.
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October 26 2015 20:16 GMT
#2320
On October 27 2015 05:15 ritoky wrote:
thank you for telling me to calm down, i was hyperventilating


It's good against metabolic acidosis
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October 26 2015 20:29 GMT
#2323
On October 27 2015 05:23 ritoky wrote:
vivax, what's up with that post about "chrom wtf u doing?" can you like...splain that to me?


Yes the way he skipped all the drama to only talk about GB constantly and how his opinion on rayn never seemed to change like it did with me and GB still gives me the feeling he has a stick up his ass in a not townie way.

Like, he has actually really low thread interaction and sticks with presenting his opinion from time to time but without being bothered at all that everyone is discussing something entirely different than just who to lynch, which is where you usually try to get on that level of discussion to actually get listened to about what you want.

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October 26 2015 20:30 GMT
#2324
On October 27 2015 05:23 ritoky wrote:
vivax, what's up with that post about "chrom wtf u doing?" can you like...splain that to me?


And besides this question is really odd to ask to me, it's pointless unless you think I was onto something there, which you probably don't. You've been the only one to find this even worth mentioning, why?
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October 26 2015 20:42 GMT
#2328
Yes I get he has that scumread but why does his posting feel so much like he doesn't care what happens with it. It's like he's behind a glass wall at the time, holding up a poster occasionally repeating what he wants.

Especially with all that mess going on all he could do was say "rayn is town, GB is scum". Obviously with some reasons attached to them but still he feels disconnected from other people, in a way.

I'll refrain from having a decisive opinion on him yet cause it feels like he's so hard to read, but these are my thoughts.
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October 26 2015 20:59 GMT
#2342
Yam not posting is his scum meta and if he's town and just playing terribly then we lose a day cause he's playing terribly (or not at all).

Ace sig brought it on point: "Town is as strong as their weakest player".
Not to say yam is a weak player in general but if he's town in this game he clearly is cause he doesn't even have to do much besides posting his opinion somewhat regularly to not get lynched.
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October 26 2015 21:33 GMT
#2378
No bets on yamato not voting. If he ninjavotes cause you believe the matter will solve itself we lose a day.

Right, ritoky?
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October 26 2015 21:53 GMT
#2416
Keep your votes on yam and don't be stupid please. This has been scum shenanny for a few times lately to pretend you're gonna get modkilled and then ninjavote.
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October 26 2015 21:55 GMT
#2423
On October 27 2015 06:54 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2015 06:53 Vivax wrote:
Keep your votes on yam and don't be stupid please. This has been scum shenanny for a few times lately to pretend you're gonna get modkilled and then ninjavote.


never gonna let it go on me are you?


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Vivax
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October 27 2015 09:01 GMT
#2523
That yam flip really killed a lot of my motivation to play this game, he had two fucking days. It's a riddle to me why people actually sign up sometimes.
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October 27 2015 17:12 GMT
#2552
I went a bit over marv's filter and I say it's tinfoil time:

Chrom ritoky rayn mafia gogogo
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October 27 2015 17:22 GMT
#2555
not really a conclusion more of a viable yolo alternative to the usual suspects atm.
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October 27 2015 17:48 GMT
#2564
On October 28 2015 02:46 Onegu wrote:
I am here. We are lynching Hopeless tomorrow.


Lynch bait express
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October 27 2015 17:50 GMT
#2565
10 townies 3 mafia 5 trolls/players nobody can read for sure.

At least I tried on D2.
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October 27 2015 17:57 GMT
#2569
On October 28 2015 02:52 Xatalos wrote:
And now I'm depressed after reading the last pages of marv's filter...

I guess I was a bit too persistent in arguing with him though, overall. Neither of our attitudes were really too productive in those moments.

The points with Chromatically gave me some renewed concern. It's also a bit uncomfortable how rayn soft defended him, then marv went to see for himself and showed it wrong... Why would town rayn give that defense then in the first place?

Not sure how you got ritoky = scum though Vivax? I agree he's been less and less noteworthy over time, but... Did marv ever suspect him?


The way he asked me about why I bitched about Chrom's play felt passive aggressive to me and when he replied to me asking him why he'd ask me (cause the only reason he would possibly have asked me was that he found it suspicious), he basically replied in a way I felt was defensive. As if he didn't want to get into any trouble for his question in the first place.
Vivax
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October 27 2015 17:59 GMT
#2570
On October 27 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
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On October 27 2015 02:24 Vivax wrote:
I have no clue what Chrom is doing.


trying to lynch his top mafia read who he made a decent case on who has done nothing to deserve a town read and who's only defense has been "i'm not mafia". what are you doing?


On October 27 2015 05:37 ritoky wrote:
cuz it struck me as odd. the guy has a scum read he has said he is over 90% confident in, he made probably the best case of the phase to try and compell people to vote on him; and it hasn't gotten traction. he keeps pushing it trying to get his top read killed....i guess what you said isn't odd in the context of "can you get out of your tunnel and talk about other stuff?" but idk, it just stuck out to me cuz i don't see a compelling reason to read GB town, i like chrom's case, GB's defense is "i am town, push to vote" which is crap tier; so calling out someone for really assertively trying to get him lynched doesn't seem.....i dunno it was just a wat? moment


Here
Vivax
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October 27 2015 18:03 GMT
#2572
On October 28 2015 03:01 GlowingBear wrote:
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Between Hopeless and Onegu, I would lynch hopeless first.
Otherwise Gb will have to go just as a matter of course / : even though I really am not that sold on him.


No way you defend me like you did and say this, gumshoe. No way.


Are you getting paid to call obvious townies scum this game, mafia, or just genuinely awful at this game?
Vivax
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October 27 2015 20:57 GMT
#2640
When I actually read BH's posts I gotta laugh sometimes
Vivax
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October 27 2015 21:01 GMT
#2642
but for most people slam is just a pain to play with as a player and as a human being


rofl
Vivax
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October 27 2015 21:06 GMT
#2646
BH rayn never was an actual scumread of yours right?
Vivax
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October 27 2015 21:21 GMT
#2650
On October 28 2015 06:15 Blazinghand wrote:
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On October 28 2015 06:06 Vivax wrote:
BH rayn never was an actual scumread of yours right?


I currently have a townread on rayn, based on his interaction with the hosts. He's also been gradually improving since the end of D1. I see no reason to lynch him during D3, and would be hardpressed to imagine an argument that would convince me. Admittedly, his super lackluster performance N1 and D2 are, well, super lackluster: but I know rayn and I know his rage. I'm pretty sure his anger was genuine, given that he directed it at the host and the fact that it was dripping with biting sarcasm. I can go more in-depth on this if you'd like to discuss rayn.



Cmon man you type up 6 lines and in none of them is an answer to what I wanted to know. Can you please tell me if you ever scumread rayn in this game?
Vivax
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October 27 2015 21:21 GMT
#2651
5 lines derp
Vivax
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October 27 2015 21:28 GMT
#2652
OK I'm an idiot GB is 100 % mafia I think.
Vivax
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October 27 2015 22:08 GMT
#2659
##Vote GB

I would like say. see you in 48 h but I'll likely post anyway
Vivax
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October 28 2015 09:10 GMT
#2827
who are the mediocre players u speak of gb?
Vivax
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October 28 2015 10:35 GMT
#2828
Something really wants me to believe you but yesterday I checked your other games, past ones and *ahem*.

Anyway you're on par with yamato's level of awfulness if you're town in this game.

I'll try to reread the game though and as usual get some sort of game solving aha moment that nobody listens to and then we lose.

Maybe I'll even end up unscumreading GB.
Vivax
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October 29 2015 16:56 GMT
#2934
On October 30 2015 01:48 Onegu wrote:
That vote from hopeless on Xata is so fucking random, If he is going to be around why use a placeholder and why Xata. Then he drops a vote on GB... Why does this give me the heebie jeebies that this is two town wagons...

Can we please vote hopeless?

##Vote: Hopeless


Yea I don't really get the placeholder vote, it's just weird but can't really think of a reason why it's something only mafia would do.

And what's your reasoning for townreading GB?
Vivax
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October 29 2015 17:26 GMT
#2941
Rayn's last "bigger" case:

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On October 27 2015 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GlowingBear is definitely mafia.
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On October 27 2015 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is what happened, regardless of if you want to address it or not;

- rayn calls GB town
- rayn calls GB scum, explains why he changes his view -- see yamato/Vivax, mostly Vivax)
- GB calls rayn town
- GB asks about his scumreads from rayn (or townreads -- but still rayn too)
- rayn says "you are not reading the thread"
- GB says "yes i have"
- rayn says "well then you would know my stance (also marv's/chrom's)"
- GB says okay so gimme reads on ppl
- rayn says "haha you're scum"
- GB says oh i just now figured out rayn is mafia i wanna vote for him

.....

D2:
GB argues that what i did on D1 (when he called me mafia) is inside my townplay...

^_^

Just read this and the post i made about this earlier, here:
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On October 26 2015 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
mmmmmm.....
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On October 23 2015 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I might be wrong on GlowingBear, what Vivax said makes a lot of sense tbh.
It's like GB goes "i call this thing scummy then i ask about it" when it should be another way around if he didn't know the reasoning of Vivax' reads. If he doesn't care about the answer (=scummy anyways, as he seemed to think so), why even ask?

On October 23 2015 11:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Phew. Finally ended up re-reading.

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On October 22 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:
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On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia.


Why?


poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post.


This post makes me think ritoky is town. I had a similar impression to gumshoe's early posts and it's finally something unrelated to RNG discussion.

On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:
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On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it.


Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition.

In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat.

1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum.

2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_-

3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health.

we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely.

ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good)


I don't like this post from gumshoe simply because there are a lot more reasons why someone would RNG, and everyone knows RNG isn't alignment indicative for BH (he has done it as both alignments). If he thinks this something that should be ignore, why putting so many thoughts on it just to say that?

I also am not liking Xatalos posts in this game. Xatalos is usually more extensive in his posts when he is town, and he usually talk about relevant stuff. Here, he wasted too much time talking about the RNG and his reads are usually... I don't know... not committed enough? I don't like it.

I'm at page 19 and gumshoe is still talking about BH. Argh.

On October 22 2015 11:08 Chromatically wrote:
I'm back, I'm planning on rereading the thread and looking more into some people but here's where I'm at now:

- gumshoe feels really town, especially that last post. The way he rambles shows a town thought process in his posts.
- I don't think BH has done anything alignment indicative and I don't understand why people are reading him town.
- I liked when rayn said, "Chrom would be town if I hadn't been scum with him before", I think that statement usually comes from someone honestly trying to read me (i.e. town).
- Hopeless' entrance felt awkward to me, did not like it.
- Xatalos is town for driving discussion and the stuff he says comes from a town perspective, probably Vivax too for similar reasons.

If anyone has questions I'd love to hear them because an uncomfortable amount of people seem to think I'm mafia and I don't like it.


I like this post A LOT, especially because he pointed out the stuff on BH. I feel very comfortable to give Chromatically a day pass just for this.

On October 23 2015 04:57 Xatalos wrote:
gumshoe: It's a bit funny you called me out about waffling on you when your entire last post waffling on... everyone Every read had some "but... then..." moment haha

rayn: About BH, I'm not completely sure how I came to lean as strongly town on BH as on Vivax. It might not be as deserved as the townread on Vivax (on objective merits of meta etc.), I just felt (and actually still feel) that his level of effort and activity seemed more likely to come from town. The way he engaged people and seemed to have really thought about his own ideas... It didn't feel at all like a fake push trying to gather credibility. What's more, I skimmed through all the links ritoky provided and it was a common trend that BH pushed the idea of RNG lynching as town but didn't do that as scum. I think it's a minor meta point in BH's favor, even if it's not like it's impossible to fake something like that... I just didn't get the feeling it was fake. Well, did you? For the time being, I'm happy to put BH in the pile of non-lynchables.


YEAH XATA, IT'S A BIT FUNNY. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF IT??? Shouldn't it be alignment indicative for you?

I'm now at page 29 and I hardly see BH being suspicious of anyone. He is wasting too much time with this RNG shit. I don't like it. Although I can't actually call it scummy yet.

This post makes me feel better about Xatalos:

On October 23 2015 05:33 Xatalos wrote:
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On October 23 2015 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is absolutely nothing alignment indicative in your rng Blazinghand, you know it, everyone should know it. "Figuring out" something regarding it is a waste of time.


Well it's kind of like... Imagine player X. He has a great record of posting a lengthy introduction post as scum when he starts the game, and as town he's so far just immediately jumped in and started posting actual content. Now in a current game he immediately makes a lengthy introduction post.

Could he have done it as town to make himself harder to read? Possibly. But I'd still take into account that maybe the meta is repeating itself, no?

And if you read my posts, it's not just that about Blazinghand, but more like how he was so excited about the RNG when he's several times before said that it's pro-town. It would be harder to convey that excitement as scum when he think it's so pro-town clearly.


I wouldn't give him a town read but it's enough to make me not want to lynch him

On October 23 2015 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On October 23 2015 06:34 Xatalos wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
Here's a better question imo: do you really think that BH would have a problem arguing the benefits of RNG lynch as mafia?

He wouldn't have any problem doing that at all, given that he's done the exact same thing many times before and RNG lynch is by definition completely independent of BH's alignment.


Well, read my last post.... Also, like I said, even if it might sound good in theory, he hasn't done that so far in his scumgames and it wouldn't probably be as easy in practise ESPECIALLY if the RNG hit his teammate.

Do you feel like Blazinghand is pressuring me at the moment?
Do you feel like i feel pressured?
Do you thin kanyone whould feel pressured if the rng landed on them?


I totally agree with this. It looks really bad.


Basically, here is where I'm at:

~ Town:

Chromatically
rayn
marv


~ Null with town passes:

ritoky (I thought he was town but after he got townread his play has been very lackluster)
Xatalos (I hate his filter but I could see some townie posts and I'm never lynching a 8 pages filter on day1)
yamato (I will never lynch yamato on day1 unless he is glaringly scummy, and I have yet to see something scummy in him)

~ Could lynch:

gumshoe (I disliked most of his posts and he even scumread Xatalos for doing exactly what he has done most of the game: wasted it talking about RNG)
Blazinghand (mostly talks about RNG and I have yet to see him getting any scumreads based on his reaction test - he said he won't lynch Chromatically today and that's all that's interesting I have seen him talking about)

~ Could lynch harder:

Onegu (I can never read him and I hated that he said he would sheep me - gives me deja vu from last game where he was mafia against me - him being more invested in this game is usually a bad sign)
Hopeless1der (useless - feels like his play in Avogadro's Mini Mafia)
Vivax (I disagree with everyone, being confident =/= being straight forward and giving unexplained town passes, especially from a guy that I remember seeing flipping his reads constantly based on tinfoil theories. Here I see a guy with static reads that are never updated


Special ? category:
Slam (although people say slam is unreadable, I usually can read him better on later days so I don't really want to think about him on day1)


On October 23 2015 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On October 23 2015 16:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I seriously don't understand why I'm being scumread.

Could you please enlighten me?

Because you are pushing a bad reasoned read.
Because the way you defend yourself is exactly what you do as scum.
Because you said you reda the thread but you actually didn't, not even close.

On October 23 2015 16:21 GlowingBear wrote:
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On October 23 2015 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 16:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I seriously don't understand why I'm being scumread.

Could you please enlighten me?

Because you are pushing a bad reasoned read.
Because the way you defend yourself is exactly what you do as scum.
Because you said you reda the thread but you actually didn't, not even close.


I've actually read this thread more closely than any recent games I've played. You should be able to tell by the time stamps. I've spent almost 3 hours reading and thinking about it.

I think my reasons are fair enough to vote Vivax. He has yet to explain the townreads, his activity dropped, his reads are static. I think this makes Vivax mafia. If you don't, fair enough. But I don't understand how you can possibly believe I, as mafia, would call both you and marv town while disagreeing with your top town reads.

I defended myself by using logic. Thinking someone is scum and asking questions doesn't make my read premeditated. I will always further investigate what I find suspicious.

On October 23 2015 23:24 GlowingBear wrote:
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On October 23 2015 19:06 marvellosity wrote:
GB, why is Chrome your #1 townread above all others?


Marv, I think he is being productive and trying to solve the game. He has been trying to push his scum reads. There was a particular post I liked and I've put it in the spoilered part of my list post. It's this one:

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On October 22 2015 11:08 Chromatically wrote:
I'm back, I'm planning on rereading the thread and looking more into some people but here's where I'm at now:

- gumshoe feels really town, especially that last post. The way he rambles shows a town thought process in his posts.
- I don't think BH has done anything alignment indicative and I don't understand why people are reading him town.
- I liked when rayn said, "Chrom would be town if I hadn't been scum with him before", I think that statement usually comes from someone honestly trying to read me (i.e. town).
- Hopeless' entrance felt awkward to me, did not like it.
- Xatalos is town for driving discussion and the stuff he says comes from a town perspective, probably Vivax too for similar reasons.

If anyone has questions I'd love to hear them because an uncomfortable amount of people seem to think I'm mafia and I don't like it.


The part where he talks about BH is exactly what I was thinking at that moment.

Marv I asked you and Rayn if you like any of the lynch targets I proposed, can you take a look at it? It's easy to find in my filter because it's the only colored post.

On October 24 2015 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On October 24 2015 00:03 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 23 2015 23:58 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 23 2015 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 19:28 marvellosity wrote:
the funny thing is, one thing that makes me unsure about GB being mafia - both rayn and I stated pretty early that Vivax was town and I think it was kinda obvious we were serious about it. So I guess GB-mafia in that instance somehow decides to go against both me and rayn and push a very weak meta case? it's practically suicidal. maybe he's just town and believes it... dno right now

and btw this is what GB does as scum.
He basically does something that is "too scummy to be scum" then, when called out for it he says "mafia would never do that so i am not mafia". Hell he isn't even really defending his read (see Trfel/Damdred last game), he just says "i would not pick Vivax as my target as mafia because people are townreading him".


No, that's not what I do every time, get your head off your ass, I just played a game where I was town and I defended myself the same way.

If you think I'm not defending my read you should fucking read me instead of calling me scum. It's fucking annoying when someone call me mafia without even reading a two page filter. I fucking ASKED you if you liked one of my reads.

great inacitivty lynch


I was at my night class when the game stared and I'm playing two games - when I've got the time I read the whole thread and gave my impressions on all players.

no you didn't read the thread.
if you did you would know what your townreads (chrom/me/marv) say about your lynch targets.
you would also know i don't read you town at that point.

so you didn't actually read the thread.

On October 24 2015 00:41 GlowingBear wrote:
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On October 24 2015 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 24 2015 00:36 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2015 00:32 Xatalos wrote:
GB, if you're town, seriously don't just commit suicide here. Looks like it's heading towards you vs rayn and it'd be sad if you caused your own death there, like a certain player in my newbie game....


I'm not commiting suicide, I'm getting angry that such shitty scum read on me based on a read that I find very reasonable and I'm having a hard time believing good players can't possibly see I'm town.

Then start playing as town, vote for slam, and stop asking questions about what you should already know instead of telling us you have read the thread.


I
HAVE
READ
THE
THREAD

I KNOW YOU "YOLO'ED" AND CALLED ONEGU TOWN FOR NO REASON
I KNOW YOU META'ED HOPELESS AND CALLED HIM TOWN
I KNOW MARV AND YOU HAD TWO INITIAL TOWNREADS - XATALOS AND VIVAX
I KNOW YOU FUCKING HAD GUMSHOE AS MAFIA THEN FLIPPED YOUR READ

WHY CAN'T I BRING WHAT I THINK ABOUT PLAYERS AND ASK YOU TO COMMENT ABOUT WHAT I'VE BROUGHT INSTEAD OF SAYING "OH OKAY RAYN SAID THESE GUYS ARE TOWN SO THEY ARE"????!?!??

JESUS CHRIST

On October 24 2015 04:07 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't want to lynch chromatically. Especially now that Vivax is voting him.

And I've been putting thoughts on Rayn. His flip one is bad. He said it was very unlikely I was scum and that I was very level headed with my read in Vivax.

Then Vivax said something about me scum reading him before asking questions, and Rayn agreed and called me scum over the same posts he called me "very unlikely to be mafia". It doesn't make sense.

I'm voting rayn

mmmmmmmmm.....

and here...
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On October 27 2015 00:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You literally had fucking 20 hours to re-evaluate, you called me town ALL THAT IME, then you suddenly think i am a better lynch than Slam who you had no read on.

Go GB, GO!


The fact is this has nothing to do with either:
1) re-evaluating a read, or
2) not having read the thread

GlowingBear calls me town, then calls me mafia 20 hours later while calling me town there all the time between. Nowhere there does he make any attempt to re-evaluate anything, also i asked him multiple times if he has read the thread properly. He says "yes i have". This is not re-evaluating something (in contrary to for what example i did regarding my reads on ritoky / GB on D1), because he never shows any process of re-evaluation.

Then, he just ends up saying the same bullshit Xatalos is pushing. Now idk, maybe he expected Slam to get lynched and didn't want to be on a mislynch wagon, or maybe he expected Xatalos to be able to lynch me which would be a much better for mafia than Slam lynched. idk.

But still, the fact is he ended up voting for his townread over someone who he "can't get a read on" (=null). That, is a fact, and he just made up reasons for the read, as shown above.



Hopeless is another scum since he just doesn't play anymore. He can also get lynched.

Next thing is to read Onegu, and unless i come to the conclusion he is scum then the next thing is to read BH. Just because BH does not really take any stance on any lynch. He really does not, he goes onto his shennies which gives him outs left and right saying either "i was right", "i tried to lynch mafia", "i didn't want to lynch town", or if he hit mafia "i actually wanted to lynch that mafia". Shennies are bullshit and they don't even happen. Period. He is not trying to lynch anyone for reals.



Why not include GB here:
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On October 28 2015 12:21 Onegu wrote:
Rayn scum reads Xata, and hopeless and then dies. Coincidence I think not.

Anyway I am going to bed.

We should lynch xata or hopeless today.




Just a really derpy post, he thinks GB is town contrary to what rayn posted last. And wtf is a clout?

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On October 30 2015 01:32 Onegu wrote:
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On October 29 2015 00:44 Xatalos wrote:
Dunno... It just feels like he throws scum/townreads around too casually. This Xatalos/hopeless thing now too... Ignoring rayn's scumreads on GB/ritoky.... And instead pushing us two.. Why?



The main reason is because I am scum reading you two more. GB needs looked at also, but I feel multiple people scum read GB maybe he shoots rayn, but only rayn and myself were scum reading you. Rayn had the clout that I dont to actually lynch you.



Then says he agreed with most of rayn's reads and later drops the vote on Hopeless over GB who is way more likely to be lynched.

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On October 30 2015 01:42 Onegu wrote:

Rayns reads were correct and that is why he was killed. A serious rayn is capable of putting a legit case on scum even if he is being scum read getting that person lynched.

I wasnt surprised rayn was killed. I town read him hard. I agreed with most of his reads.

In a world where I am scum this game I dont kill Rayn, I am not going to kill the only person that is town reading me this game. It would be suicide for me. Killing rayn takes pressure off of the people he was scum reading and lets them put pressure on me. They want this mislynch on me it gets them to lylo.



Conclusion: Onegu really posts confused things.
Or he's mafia with GB and tries to push us all to hopeless, cause otherwise I can't explain why he's so hung up on rayn's reads when he misses or disregards the fattest of them.
Vivax
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October 29 2015 17:38 GMT
#2943
On October 30 2015 02:20 Chromatically wrote:
Which of his reads did you agree with?


Come on, it's in his filter.
Obviously he agrees with rayn on Xata and hopeless.

Disagrees on GB and BH.

Interestingly GB is on his lynch and so is BH, people he isn't scumreading and who were in rayn's case.
Not sure actually if rayn was still thinking of Xata being scum before he died.

He's kinda ignoring two guys who want to lynch him and who rayn scumread? Then I'd like to know his own reasoning for the reads.
Vivax
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October 29 2015 17:51 GMT
#2948
He probably saw two wagons, all on mafia, is too tired to play properly with his flu.

Dropped a vote on hopeless and went to bed thinking "one for the team".
Vivax
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October 29 2015 17:51 GMT
#2949
Oh and we don't need a trap to show that what he says is really odd.
Vivax
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October 29 2015 18:25 GMT
#2954
BH what do you think of what rayn said about you, I think you never talked about it.

That you just flail around lynches without wanting one, basically.
Vivax
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October 29 2015 18:32 GMT
#2956
On October 30 2015 03:06 gumshoe wrote:
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On October 30 2015 02:51 Vivax wrote:
Oh and we don't need a trap to show that what he says is really odd.


Still, you know chrom is town, you know hes up to something, dont swoop in with your "cmon mans you should know this" just because you disagree about how relevant onegus answer will be.


I didn't see a trap there, I saw that Onegu would most likely reply according to what's compatible with his stated reads. Not really a scum catcher imo.

So I thought that Chrom simply didn't read his filter previously to asking that.
Vivax
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October 29 2015 18:37 GMT
#2958
On October 30 2015 03:32 gumshoe wrote:
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On October 30 2015 03:25 Vivax wrote:
BH what do you think of what rayn said about you, I think you never talked about it.

That you just flail around lynches without wanting one, basically.


Why cant a townie be indecisive about a lynch? Also sometimes the person you want lynched is already being pushed by someone else and you dont see a reason to not just piggy back off them. Not saying bh hasnt wanted a lynch(been a bit since I look at his filter) just that if hes preferred to pick and choose from the cases presented that in no way makes him scum.

See how I swooped in and answered a question meant for someone else thereby potentially cheating you information you desire? Not cool is it?


I don't see why BH (or Onegu) wouldn't answer a question just cause you did.
Vivax
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October 29 2015 18:55 GMT
#2960
I think you're just creating unproductive fuss while filling a page with righteousness. If you wanna argue pick somebody who can be mafia.
Vivax
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October 29 2015 19:48 GMT
#2971
Today might actually be shenanny day cause both Onegu and GB aren't bad lynches.
Vivax
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October 29 2015 19:54 GMT
#2973
BH can rng it
Vivax
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October 29 2015 19:58 GMT
#2975
On October 30 2015 04:54 Chromatically wrote:
Why would we shenanny off of good lynches?


For bread and games
Vivax
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October 29 2015 20:06 GMT
#2982
"Side with the veteran" lol. I can get lynched on D1 like anyone else.

It's just that the dead dudes knew me well enough to know I wasn't mafia from the get go.
When GB thought the exact opposite all game long in a pretty lame way.
Vivax
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October 29 2015 20:40 GMT
#3012
Wow the "if GB is mafia" is flying around pretty heavily around here.
Vivax
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October 29 2015 21:21 GMT
#3043
On October 30 2015 06:20 ritoky wrote:
that conclusion has got me wondering if i just wanna yolo on me being a donkey all game


It should get you wondering if you aren't yoloing on being a donkey making that conclusion.
Vivax
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October 29 2015 21:38 GMT
#3072
On October 30 2015 06:35 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:31 ritoky wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:29 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:28 ritoky wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:26 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:25 gumshoe wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:16 ritoky wrote:
i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia.

onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu

gb/x/x most likely if gb.


there's gotta be at least 2 scum in there though. who's scum if it's not AT LEAST 2 of those 3?


from ritokys perspective, it would have to be xata vivax,

cmon ritoky, why isnt hopeless voting onegu? If hopeless is the only scum between them, why not look more consistent and vote for the guy whose trying to kill you instead of doubling back on a guy you were null at best on, and town read at several points in the game? If hopeless is scum with gb, why vote him when he can just vote for onegu? the guy trying to kill him?
In fact, why draw attention to himself with such a shitty vote for no reason?(might have resulted in his own lynch)? The only way hopeless DOESNT vote for onegu, and compromises himself in such a fashion is to protect his scum buddy, who has been bussing hopeless all this time to create some distance

If hopeless is town, then hope is actually lost, and hes also insane for not voting onegu ) : cmon ritoky, yah got dis


It's also worth noting that Onegu is currently trashing his vote by voting a non-wagon

honestly the level of play of these guys is so bad, we just need to get rid of them


that's an argument for day 1....or if you're arguing policy lynch them every game until they pick it up. not for the terrible situation we're in...


Honestly I think we're in a great situation. I really do. A good number of players have distinguished themselves with good or decent town play and we have a lynch pool of mafia with 1 flailing guy and 2 lurkers. I think we just kill these guys and win the game. really.


this level of contentment being so widespread makes me think if we just kill these 3 town will lose the game...but maybe i am too tinfoil for my own good. i do suck as town.


Dont even sweat it man, I am the lord of tinfoil, but yeah best way to lose this game is to start pointing the finger at people who have been super duper active and as helpful as they can be with no blue aid whatsoever / the lack of fluff and mechanics may be why your reading certain filter as somewhat vapid.)


You will have to fight for that title, kiddo
Vivax
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October 29 2015 21:43 GMT
#3086
Ritoky feels something for GB's puppy eyes 1 hour before lynch
Vivax
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October 29 2015 21:43 GMT
#3088
*When he started posting 1 h before lynch
Vivax
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October 29 2015 21:46 GMT
#3099
I'm gonna be pissed if 1gu flips town.

At BH and ritoky mostly.
Vivax
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October 29 2015 21:49 GMT
#3101
Give me a few sunglasses I'm gonna open Xata's filter for the first time in this game
Vivax
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October 29 2015 21:50 GMT
#3107
Xata get your vote on GB PLEASE
Vivax
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October 29 2015 21:59 GMT
#3146
BH hunting the epeen from Onegu lynch while saying GB claimed scum.

priceless.
Vivax
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October 29 2015 22:01 GMT
#3159
You're hilarious BH
Vivax
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October 29 2015 22:02 GMT
#3165
On October 30 2015 07:01 Chromatically wrote:
Whew, now we can just lynch 100% mafia gumshoe next and win


wat
Vivax
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October 29 2015 22:03 GMT
#3167
BH screw you
Vivax
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October 29 2015 22:07 GMT
#3177
On October 30 2015 07:05 gumshoe wrote:
The only reason hopeless votes gb there is to save onegu, why is gb not scum as well? Because then hopeless just votes onegu and looks waaay less fishy.

so yeah, third scum is still out there boys.


Super flawed logic cause at the time he voted he couldn't foresee anyone switching and he made it 5 4
And if he pops up to ninjavote just to bus when Onegu has a majority he's screwed anyway, nobody would buy it from him given how he's playing.
Vivax
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October 29 2015 22:11 GMT
#3186
On October 30 2015 07:09 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 07:07 Vivax wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:05 gumshoe wrote:
The only reason hopeless votes gb there is to save onegu, why is gb not scum as well? Because then hopeless just votes onegu and looks waaay less fishy.

so yeah, third scum is still out there boys.


Super flawed logic cause at the time he voted he couldn't foresee anyone switching and he made it 5 4
And if he pops up to ninjavote just to bus when Onegu has a majority he's screwed anyway, nobody would buy it from him given how he's playing.


Again, it doesn't necessarily make GB town, but we need to lynch H1 anyways and we might as well go for him first. It just means there's a way that the voting allows GB to be town, does that make sense?


No you just said GB claimed scum.
Vivax
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October 29 2015 22:16 GMT
#3199
Somehow I'm starting to believe GB is really going nuts over being scumread.

In a townie way.

Or maybe I'm falling for his angry puppy eyes.
Vivax
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October 29 2015 22:20 GMT
#3201
On October 30 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 07:16 Vivax wrote:
Somehow I'm starting to believe GB is really going nuts over being scumread.

In a townie way.

Or maybe I'm falling for his angry puppy eyes.


they make you swoon in all the right places don't they?


No it makes me imagine Bambi wielding a machete
Vivax
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October 29 2015 22:24 GMT
#3207
On October 30 2015 07:22 GlowingBear wrote:
It's so frustrating when you've caught obvious scum and people can't use their brains...


I'll consult the tinfoil on gumshoe these days.
But given the reads from NKd dudes it's really unlikely.
Vivax
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October 29 2015 22:30 GMT
#3211
On October 30 2015 07:24 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:50 Vivax wrote:
Xata get your vote on GB PLEASE


I mean, I could write up a whole case, but dis should be enough. Basically hands in the cookie jar / :


Cause I pursue the lynch I've wanted since D1?
The guy rayn and marv were scumreading?
Who brags about "catching" the only guy he could ever manage to lynch in his position?

kiddo indeed
Vivax
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October 29 2015 23:17 GMT
#3239
On October 30 2015 08:16 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 08:07 gumshoe wrote:
Oh also present from Onegu

Rayn scum reads Xata, and hopeless and then dies. Coincidence I think not.

Anyway I am going to bed.

We should lynch xata or hopeless today.


guess this was why they shot rayn?T This should pretty much clear xata honestly. Theres some other stuff on the rayn shot that we could probally make use of, might do some more fishin later.


Yeah it will be super worthwhile to go through 1gu's filter and see what he said (especially for speculation bout nks) and what people said about him, too



I reccommend his d1 list post, most reads there seem rather accurate, so he might have gone for early bussing
Vivax
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October 30 2015 09:29 GMT
#3278
I've started to doubt gumshoe since he started planting the idea that I'm mafia as opposed to people who are competent at reading me.

I was assuming his posting style made him town all game long but given that 2 mafia are planning the endgame now and he has started to doing all sorts of shady shit, I'm reevaluating.

Take a look at this post, it's from D1. When you look at the votecounts in question you will notice that nobody ever had a chance to kill Onegu cause marv and rayn were both on the slam wagon with huge support from others.

Point I'm making is that this read is weird given the information we have now, and suggests gumshoe had knowledge of how to read people around Onegu's alignment. Another example: When he went all nuts and Chrom-defender after I told Chrom that if he wanted Onegu's reads he could simply look them up.


On October 24 2015 11:15 gumshoe wrote:
Ritoky's switch onto Onegu last second makes very little sense as scum, if Onegu is town and gets bussed last sec, Ritoky looks terrible. If Onegue is scum, he just helped kill his teamate 0_0 seems like a dumb and unnecessary risk when town is already fixated on slam.

It's possible Ritoky was super confident Bh's lynch wouldn't go through, but then why bother at all? Just to distance himself from the slam lynch? Could backfire huge if Onegu actually did get lynched (would look like a last second buss off of Ritoky's buddy slam)


As you will soon see, neither was ritoky's switch "last second" (it happened 12 min prior lynch), nor does it make sense for gumshoe to make the assumption that ritoky is town cause if Onegu was town ritoky would look terrible.

And I think this is a nail in the coffin type of argument already, cause now I'm explaining it like you're 12.

First of all, he's exaggerating the weight of what ritoky really did: Last second switch, killig Onegu when the majority was on Slam all the time and didn't have any intention to switch.
Second, he's making this argument in which he spews Onegu's alignment (and ritoky's with the entire post).

Second, he's using this logic:

"Since ritoky would look terrible if Onegu flipped town, he is town".

at a time where he couldn't possibly be certain on Onegu's alignment, and also wasn't in his scumreads posts.
He literally assumed 100 % that Onegu was mafia when making this post.

Here the relevant votes, for display:

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 24 2015 05:30 Rels wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count


Alakaslam (9): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, Hopeless1der, yamato77, Chromatically, Vivax, Blazinghand, gumshoe, ritoky
raynpelikoneet (4): Blazinghand, Xatalos, Vivax, Hopeless1der, Xatalos, Alakaslam, GlowingBear, Onegu
Vivax (0): gumshoe, GlowingBear, Onegu
ritoky (0): Chromatically, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, gumshoe
GlowingBear (0): marvellosity, yamato77, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, Vivax
Chromatically (0): Xatalos, Vivax
Onegu (0): Onegu, gumshoe
Hopeless1der (0): gumshoe
marvellosity (0): GlowingBear
Xatalos (0): Chromatically

Looks like it's time to sack Alakaslam for being a traitor!
Day 1 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00).

The quality control list is here.
The automated list counter is here.
Only votes on this list will be counted.

Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill.



On October 24 2015 05:45 Blazinghand wrote:
##unvote
##vote Onegu


On October 24 2015 05:47 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote Onegu


On October 24 2015 05:48 ritoky wrote:
##unvote
##vote Onegu


On October 24 2015 06:03 Rels wrote:
Final Day 1 Vote Count


Alakaslam (8): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, Hopeless1der, yamato77, Chromatically, Vivax, Blazinghand, gumshoe, ritoky, Blazinghand, Blazinghand
raynpelikoneet (3): Blazinghand, Xatalos, Vivax, Hopeless1der, Xatalos, Alakaslam, GlowingBear, Onegu
Onegu (2): Onegu, gumshoe, Blazinghand, Xatalos, ritoky, Xatalos
ritoky (0): Chromatically, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, gumshoe
GlowingBear (0): marvellosity, yamato77, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, Vivax
Chromatically (0): Xatalos, Vivax
Vivax (0): gumshoe, GlowingBear, Onegu
Hopeless1der (0): gumshoe
marvellosity (0): GlowingBear
Xatalos (0): Chromatically

We have discovered Alakaslam to be a chocolate saboteur!

[/QUOTE]
Vivax
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October 30 2015 09:37 GMT
#3279
On October 30 2015 09:28 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 08:43 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 08:36 gumshoe wrote:
On October 30 2015 08:19 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:31 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:16 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:10 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:
I want EVERY player to comment on these posts. This may be hammering the team.

[quote]

[quote]

[quote]

I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie.


Could you explain how scum gumshoe does the work to save you in the end? If he actually was scum, he would see that you're right, and you'd be a huge danger tomorrow. Instead, he chooses to bus scum Onegu???!!!


Onegu could hammer if it wasn't for ritoky????
Bussing Onegu delivers town cred (like the one you're giving gumshoe now)?
Bussing Onegu is okay because he was already looking bad and he would die at some point anyway??

I will counter-question you:

Why would you vote on A TOWN READ instead of a SCUM READ?
Simply as this.


Hm... Well, honestly, gumshoe had already said repeatedly that you were more of a null and unreliable regardless - forced lynch, kind of. I also entertained your lynch many times even though I thought you were more likely town than Onegu. But I'm glad he flipped scum now and we extended our playtime. Harder for scum to endure the extended pressure.


MY

GOD

XATALOS.

MY GOD.

Did you read what I've wrote? I mean, at all?


Didn't really bother reading it yet when gumshoe is so obviously town this game...


Xata.

Go.

And read.


can you please not force us to waste our mislynch on you? Also read this

Your totally right / : what I displayed yesterday regarding the lynch was total apathy, which is a trait scum show particularly when the lynch is between two townies (example bieng onegu wasting his lynch day 2, because it was probably a win win for scum)

The key difference is I was in the opposite position, I felt no matter who died yesterday, it would be good for town. Gb, who was the townier of the two from my view, was dividing town and I figured his death would be healthy for the circus, and I might have even been wrong about his alignment like I was about yamato / : so there was that to hope for as well. Whereas onegu was almost for sure scum, but we would probally get around lynching eventually.

Assuming we would get around to killing onegu at some point, it would be better to lynch gb now regardless his alignment to unify town as soon as possible.

I only really started to care when the slightest potential arose that we might never lynch onegu (that would be you : P) and I felt it was now or never seeing as someone against onegu would probably die after the lynch on gb / who had and still has a good shot at bieng town)

So in effect, I basically was showcasing several scum traits day 3,( apathy, coldness and calculation). Gb is probably honing in on those / : which I cannot blame him for as they are in fact scum traits, its just in this case mah scuminess is to the benefit of town : P so dont hold it against me.


as an adendum to that, I understand how important your life is to you this game, but it literally means nothing to me / : so yes, I will kill you in a heart beat if town cant seem to function with you around.


whoa chill out dude. if GB is shitting up the thread and causing problems, yes, it's reasonable to lycnh him, but don't do it if we think he's town, yes? We only have one mislynch of room right now so we should use it wisely


I did say please first : P unnecessary hostility aside, I would totes lynch vivax before him.


Ahhh that's the plan.
Tough luck cause we'll just scrap the puppy eyes, sheep marv and rayn post death, and lynch a guy who only started posting 1h before deadline probably bussing his entire team.

And then you can try to win solo.
Vivax
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October 30 2015 09:55 GMT
#3280
Actually screw that maybe GB is town :/ , going over his D1 and D2 posts now I don't really see him sneaking around Onegu much like gumshoe did, quite the opposite really.

That means gummy and some other dude are mafia.
Vivax
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October 30 2015 10:38 GMT
#3283
On October 30 2015 19:25 ritoky wrote:
i just stopped by cuz kid in middle of night. didn't really read much of what you posted there vivax cuz i don't trust my reading comprehension atm.

generally speaking you have made your way to the middle/lower end of my PoE because 1) your game investment and investment in the last lynch feels like it has gone down over time 2) you didn't lynch mafia 3) your tinfoil/crackpot theories have felt contained/not committed to.

a lot of that is my perception of you over the course of the game, but something about perception, reality, and their relationship.


I tinfoil when I feel it's necessary, sometimes only late in the game, you should know that from Guardians of the Galaxy when I only scumread universally townread Toad the night I got killed.

My game investment is as high as it can be when my mafia meta is to have large posting gaps during a day. I feel I have been posting very consistently during the day.

And if you base your game around who lynches mafia and who doesn't without looking at it in detail you don't know how this game works.

And I also feel you should know your place when marv, rayn and yamato all TR me throughout their lives, people I've been playing with for several years.
Cause not only are they confirmed town, they're also not as new around here as you are and I figure that their reads are worth more than yours.

This is probably going to kinda piss you off but it's how it is. I keep reading their filters as well.
Vivax
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October 30 2015 14:09 GMT
#3303
On October 30 2015 22:24 Xatalos wrote:
Tbh it's a bit hard to see Vivax playing so actively as scum, but it would explain well all the scumsiding (especially the recent Onegu saving attempt and now pushing gumshoe...).


What scumsidimg exactly? I was at best scumsiding if gb is town and even then im not the only dude who was votinng gb.

im on phone so ill be more extensive later.
i think that if im right on gumshoe ill find more exples of tmi.
Vivax
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October 30 2015 14:12 GMT
#3304
This should be the time in the game where you review all game knowing onegu was mafia and not just what 1 dude did before deadline. which btw was somethinf pretty ballsy to do.

given how accurate onegu was with his trs on d1 he was probably scumreading 1-2 buds.
Vivax
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October 30 2015 14:57 GMT
#3307
Xata what about scumsiding exactly?

You will have to agree with me that pushing a guy I wanted lynch on D1 already doesn't exactly fit the mafia profile.

It can but it doesn't have to. So it's no argument.
Vivax
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October 30 2015 15:25 GMT
#3309
Literally the only scenario where "mafia tries to save GB" is valid is if I'm scum with Chrom or hopeless.
Or we'd be stupid for not both being on the bus
Don't get me even started on the GB and me scenario cause that's just super idiotic.

On October 30 2015 22:21 Chromatically wrote:
I don't see what's wrong with his logic? I don't see how he assumed that Onegu was mafia during his post. He says if Onegu is mafia, then ritoky can't be mafia, and if Onegu is town, then ritoky can't be mafia either, therefore ritoky is town. Maybe he's exaggerating/giving too much weight to the argument, but I don't see how it's scummy.


He's reading way too much into that to be townie. And the focus on Onegu.
If he was stuck on voting Slam like he was without partaking in shenannies like ritoky, then why is it one of his first thoughts to analyse ritoky's alignment BASED on Onegu's alignment?

The point is that as mafia you have a different type of attention to things.
Like Onegu slipping that Slam was town when he said "the best marv has is a lynch on Slam" and then ends up TRing marv. Both flipped townies (you gotta work with that not with the conspiracies around my alignment depending on GB's).

I think that in that post gumshoe said something mafia would say, since he resorted to analysing the action of a guy I'm assuming to be town (ritoky) using a now flipped mafia as the person that made a difference in reading ritoky.

And that happened when in the posts previous to those posts, he wasn't pushing for an Onegu lynch, he was pushing for hopeless and yamato.

If you go back a little more you find what he was actually saying about 1gu:

+ Show Spoiler +
id get behind an onegu lynch to spare slam and rayn, also in these posts he calls hopeless and ritoky scum for super vauge reasons. Found this kinda townie when I saw it? more to do with my fantasy mafia team than anything else but the reads were so weak they might not actually count against it.


Oh and the nice post above says this:
+ Show Spoiler +
I have considered onegu scummy all game based off his lacklustre play. Never once have I town read him
Vivax
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October 30 2015 15:58 GMT
#3318
GB is hilarious atm.

Why so mad gumshoe?
Vivax
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October 30 2015 16:08 GMT
#3321
Ok I think that got me out of my bias enough to decide on GB being town.
His case is already pretty good in itself now that I am open to the idea of gum being mafia.

I'll just sheep GB's case and keep being convinced that gum read ritoky as town ONLY cause he shenannied onto gum's partner.
Yes.
Vivax
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October 30 2015 16:10 GMT
#3322
On October 31 2015 01:07 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2015 00:58 Vivax wrote:
GB is hilarious atm.

Why so mad gumshoe?


Cause I hate it when I get it mislynched because townies dont understand the way I think and cant actually think themselves T_T My ratio of getting mislynched day 1 or 2 to total games played is pretty up there, so this is triggering some pretty heavy nam flashbacks

That and I detest retarded logic, especially when its directed at me.

Oh and yeah, what do you think of chrom? Stop dodging me dodgevax : P


There's no townies pushing you as mafia in your world (only me and GB, your scumreads rite?) so this sounds pretty odd.

And I'd answer about Chrom if I got to it, he's still the guy I suspect to be the most capable mafia in here. I'm undecided , 2 paranoid.
Vivax
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October 30 2015 16:15 GMT
#3324
Gumshoe when did you start scumreading me?
Vivax
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October 30 2015 16:25 GMT
#3327
Yet you said something along the lines of "when me and a townread of mine push Vivax/GB" not long ago.
Vivax
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October 30 2015 16:35 GMT
#3335
On October 31 2015 01:31 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 23:09 Vivax wrote:
On October 30 2015 22:24 Xatalos wrote:
Tbh it's a bit hard to see Vivax playing so actively as scum, but it would explain well all the scumsiding (especially the recent Onegu saving attempt and now pushing gumshoe...).


What scumsidimg exactly? I was at best scumsiding if gb is town and even then im not the only dude who was votinng gb.

im on phone so ill be more extensive later.
i think that if im right on gumshoe ill find more exples of tmi.


Well assuming GB is scum and you're town, you're pretty heavily scumsiding by pushing gumshoe recently...


"assuming"
Vivax
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October 30 2015 16:37 GMT
#3338
Alright so according to gumshoe's theory hopeless is mafia with me.
So I'ma just vote hopeless and he can see who doesn't want to.

I'll give him one lynch that isn't me or GB.
A lynch he must want cause it's GB OR me but for sure it's hopeless (in his world).
Vivax
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October 30 2015 16:55 GMT
#3354
It's hilarious how you call people confirmed just for being on the right wagon, it's like you guys have to still learn what bussing is and that it's pretty common around here.

Literally what mafia wants, being able to measure townieness by cred instead of play, cause it's easier to get cred from a simple vote than play like you aren't mafia.
Vivax
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October 30 2015 16:56 GMT
#3356
I'll be damned if Xata is scum in this game. I would policy lynch him in every game to come.
Vivax
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October 30 2015 16:57 GMT
#3357
His filter is approx 1/4 of this entire game in size.
Vivax
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October 30 2015 17:18 GMT
#3374

The bolded was crossed out / ; its like he wanted to write a super vague post but thought better of it to avoid being obvious, not sure why he made it clear though -_-


Yes when I want to make something not obvious I'll just cross it out and make it obvious.
Vivax
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October 30 2015 19:31 GMT
#3423
Only BH can save me from this madness
Vivax
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October 30 2015 19:45 GMT
#3432
Anyone with a little fact checking realizes your quote collection is just there to sic me with very low, borderline ad hominem arguments.

Look if you wanna play like a mad rager I'm not the one who's going to reciprocate that, it's a waste of time.
Vivax
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October 30 2015 19:55 GMT
#3439
On October 31 2015 04:49 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2015 04:45 Vivax wrote:
Anyone with a little fact checking realizes your quote collection is just there to sic me with very low, borderline ad hominem arguments.

Look if you wanna play like a mad rager I'm not the one who's going to reciprocate that, it's a waste of time.


So leave scum, I will try to turn anything and everything you say against you because you are scum, and I expect you to do the same to me because you are scum. If your not up for that you dont have to play / ; just go afk like hopeless, well get around to you eventually.

Also It's not nice when someone controls fs you out of context is it? But yeah seriously you've been keeping bh on the back burner all game, that's not slander, theres at least a dozen qoutes to prove it, you just read them. Its fact / :


To start with one of the quotes is about GB and not BH.
To end with I always suspect a ton of people. It's meta, not the scum one.
I'm trying to get around the idea you're just a townie being a dick who likes to pick fights cause his time isn't worth much so he likes to waste it fighting instead of hunting scum.

I'm not biting your hook. You can go for another wank or something, get rid of your excessive energy.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 30 2015 20:02 GMT
#3443
I have no intention of arguing against you further, it's more pleasant to just be lynched and throw in some occasional comments over hammering reason into insanity.

Either way it's going to be the hopeless/me/GB combo being lynched so either we win or we lose to scum cause the remaining townies don't know how to tinfoil instead of circlejerking about a common opinion.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 30 2015 22:06 GMT
#3455
I was hoping gumshoe
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 31 2015 11:17 GMT
#3474
I think I wanna know GB's alignment just to know whether yesterday's wagon was TvM or MvM.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 31 2015 11:23 GMT
#3475
Cause if it was MvM there's 1 mafia riding hard on lynch cred and you don't want to have to start considering that at lylo in the really scary case that hopeless flips town.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
October 31 2015 21:05 GMT
#3491
Gumshoe's entire argument against me asking Xata to switch is pretty bad if GB is mafia cause that shows you I actually had no reason to beg Xata to switch his vote except for just getting my pref lynch. Yes it was.
So he can lynch him and if he flips town he actually gets to apply it.

And BEFORE we tinfoil we can actually find out if it's worth tinfoiling, that's when GB flips mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 08:22 GMT
#3496
If that case doesn't convince anyone to vote GB today, then town is in a pretty bad state.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 09:00 GMT
#3499
For some reason I was sure I already voted GB around the time I said that I wanted to know yesterday'S wagons :S

Prefer GB
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 15:58 GMT
#3503
Still, I have no idea why I'm mafia besides the meta case. Can anyone elaborate on this?


Yes you're also mafia for what 2-3 NKd dudes said.
For your freaky read on me on D1, which you told marv and others was so bad you couldn't be mafia cause 2bad4scum.
And this too, at that given time:

On October 24 2015 04:08 Vivax wrote:
I can sum up GB like this: Spends like a page of filter talking about me, the argument switch thingy,
then moans and bitches about Onegu not being scumread over him,
some emotional outburst here and there,
after bitching about Onegu he pops a vote on BH for reasons I don't really understand (then BH comes in and is BFF with GB no questions asked but whatever, that's a thing apart),
then he suddenly feels enlightened and makes public he was doing a shitty push after asking some really weird questions I don't understand the point of up to this point,
and then unvotes and kinda afks.


Then you tried to capitalize on town short term memory as you do today when you only post shortly before lynch, throwing a tantrum and trying to show effort last minute.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 16:29 GMT
#3505
There was no real interaction between them before he decided my case was good and no tral interaction before he decided gumshoe was town again and I was mafia. He's most likely to be mafia after all.


The interaction was that he was throwing scum at me out of nowhere right the moment 1gu got lynched, and I suspected him cause of it, went into his filter which I didn't really bother with up until that point cause I assumed he was town for his wall of text style.

Then I posted my own opinion (which was heated), and just after I started considering your case as having any value before the notion came to me that gumshoe was just being a dick for its own sake and just decided to ignore any attempts at direct conversation.

And now if you die and flip town, that should be exactly what you want cause it would make it clear to everyone if you were mafia with 1gu or not, which would throw an entirely different light at my actions depending on the outcome (which is in my interest since a lot of accusations against me build on you being town, which gumshoe and maybe someone else have been pushing).

So for the off chance your teammate isn't just hopeless, your lynch will clear if mafia is surfing on cred or not.

And if you're town I'll gladly defend myself against the fallout from that revelation the day after, cause then either me or hopeless will get lynched as a result.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 16:47 GMT
#3509
it would force us to totally reevaluate, whereas a gb or vivax lynch would just have us staying the course.


This is totally idiotic
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 16:59 GMT
#3511
On November 02 2015 01:55 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 01:47 Vivax wrote:
it would force us to totally reevaluate, whereas a gb or vivax lynch would just have us staying the course.


This is totally idiotic


Are you claiming to be scum with gb now? Please tell me how likely that is, please do.

You are not likely scum with gb, so if only one of you is scum, and hopeless is town, that means theres a scummer riding off lynch cred -_- as you say.

Wheres the problem with what I'm saying?

I actually totally agree though, it is idiotic, which is why we should just lynch hopeless instead of digging into the tinfoil
cause hopeless is just scum,


The problem is that if you keep one of me or GB alive, and hopeless is indeed town, tomorrow you have groundhog day again with me and GB which is not what you want with only 1 lynch left.

And I want to know how the wagons were on D3. Which you should also want but don't for some reason.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 17:01 GMT
#3512
Maybe you're afraid that GB flipping scum would clear me from the stuff you started throwing at me post-lynch?

If he's town you can use it against me tomorrow, so let him flip!
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 17:04 GMT
#3515
I love the too scummy to be scum defenses, you can apply them to any scum for being scummy.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 17:10 GMT
#3520
On November 02 2015 02:05 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 02:01 Vivax wrote:
Maybe you're afraid that GB flipping scum would clear me from the stuff you started throwing at me post-lynch?

If he's town you can use it against me tomorrow, so let him flip!


I want to lynch scum, ether of you two could be town, I am going after the one person I know is almost certain to be scum so that I leave the remaining scummer as little wiggle room as possible, whoever that may be. I am doing this to delay my own gratification because I know a lynch on you probably wouldn't happen today(I would also feel really fucking bad if your actually town), and even though a green flip on Gb would feel fucking great, it's not worth going into lylo with 2 scum.

Also your a goddamn genius


Why do you keep saying either of us can be town yet you clearly seem to have GB as town and me as mafia?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 17:16 GMT
#3526
On November 02 2015 02:13 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 02:08 Chromatically wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:01 gumshoe wrote:
I mean... effort does not equal town. For example. I put a lot of effort in regardless of my alignment. I agree that it would have been pretty demoralizing to play the game through with Onegu and Hopeless as your mafia partners (assuming that that's the world), but clearly the mafia IS playing the game and hasn't given up. GB fits that description just as well as Vivax or anyone else. Maybe you could characterize GB as having an "aggro style". but going after people and arguing with them is something that mafia can do and have to do. If you don't do anything in the thread, then you'll obviously get lynched.


To chrom, let me tell ya about voting : P not mafia voting, I mean voting voting. Everyone should do it right? Its a tiny little thing that has a good chance to improve your overall life, so why dont we? Why is only seventy percent voter turn out considered a good thing? Also why is higher voter turnouts considered bad for the people in power?

Its because as a whole we dont act unless we have too, and we know our actions will make a difference. Thats why effort is townie, it's hard to bring yourself to write up massive cases that you know is bullshit, thats why scummers end games with 5 page filters while towners have 30.

as for you argument hes was trying to convince us to spare him through effort.

1: the case was against me -_- the guy most likely to spare him,

2: it was pretty terrible.

3: not once this game has anyone been swayed by the pants on head logic, so there's was no reason to think it would work now.

I dont see how gb thought he was going to live with his own teamates bussing him and by accusing his ally AND by having a shit argument. More likely? He just thought he was gonna flip town and blow the whole case wide open post mortem / :



By writing arguments like that, he looks like he's trying to find mafia, which will make people think that he is town. That's why people do that when they're about to be lynched, so they can look more town. The point isn't that he was hoping to convince people to vote you over him, he was hoping that people would look at his case and think, "oh that's a townie thing to do". The fact that his argument was bad should be a point against him, not for him.


See, I read gb as a pretty emotional player, I cant see him doing that when his own team is bussing him in such a derpy fashion when it was all likely for not / : I've read his scum games, hes not that good an actor, show me one time he was in such a situation and he had the balls to attack the guy he had the best shot of convincing with a case that big.

If you can demonstrate capacity, I'll concede, but otherwise his scum play this game is an anomaly, that and as much you might hate to admit, the derpiest player is usually town, does that suck? Yes, but that doesn't make it less true / :


When has his team bussing him? I'm only aware of Onegu and hopeless in your current roster of scumreads.
Onegu didn't bus him.
Hopeless might have bussed him in the Onegu vs GB situation, but otherwise he only followed main wagons the previous days.

And I can't be scum with him, so you say.

So gumshoe, who has been bussing GB?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 17:18 GMT
#3528
I currently am even hoping I understood what you said there.

Emotional player, meta shown by Chromatically to be the case as both alignments before he dies.
But he hasn't been emotional in this game when his team was bussing him in a derpy fashion?

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 17:28 GMT
#3531
BH why no opinion on who to lynch first between them?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 17:32 GMT
#3535
On November 02 2015 02:29 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 02:28 Vivax wrote:
BH why no opinion on who to lynch first between them?


dont even try this shit.


I have a preference on who to lynch first and that for good reasons I explained.
It's not "shit" if I get to discuss that with BH after noting that he isn't interested in doing that.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 17:38 GMT
#3539
On November 02 2015 02:35 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 02:18 Vivax wrote:
I currently am even hoping I understood what you said there.

Emotional player, meta shown by Chromatically to be the case as both alignments before he dies.
But he hasn't been emotional in this game when his team was bussing him in a derpy fashion?



in gbs state, I dont think he would honestly put the effort in to do the latter(especially given the case he brought up) if his team was bussing him and all of town pretty much wanted him dead.



On November 02 2015 02:16 Vivax wrote:
When has his team bussing him? I'm only aware of Onegu and hopeless in your current roster of scumreads.
Onegu didn't bus him.
Hopeless might have bussed him in the Onegu vs GB situation, but otherwise he only followed main wagons the previous days.

And I can't be scum with him, so you say.

So gumshoe, who has been bussing GB?

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 17:40 GMT
#3541
On November 02 2015 02:37 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 02:32 Vivax wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:29 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:28 Vivax wrote:
BH why no opinion on who to lynch first between them?


dont even try this shit.


I have a preference on who to lynch first and that for good reasons I explained.
It's not "shit" if I get to discuss that with BH after noting that he isn't interested in doing that.


You've been trying to find dirt on bh all game. It's not happening, it's not gonna work, stahp.


It's only dirt cause you like to think it is, but it's just me observing that he doesn't have a preference on GB hopeless and I want him to have one and am working for it and you put things into my mouth saying I want to "throw dirt" at him.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 17:45 GMT
#3544
Like GB could be here discussing things right this very moment but he isn't cause he's probably loading his shotgun of feels and townie rainbows for the final hour again.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 17:53 GMT
#3549
On November 02 2015 02:45 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 02:40 Vivax wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:37 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:32 Vivax wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:29 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:28 Vivax wrote:
BH why no opinion on who to lynch first between them?


dont even try this shit.


I have a preference on who to lynch first and that for good reasons I explained.
It's not "shit" if I get to discuss that with BH after noting that he isn't interested in doing that.


You've been trying to find dirt on bh all game. It's not happening, it's not gonna work, stahp.


It's only dirt cause you like to think it is, but it's just me observing that he doesn't have a preference on GB hopeless and I want him to have one and am working for it and you put things into my mouth saying I want to "throw dirt" at him.


gb is just asking us to take him seriously when hes dead, you on the other hand are actively asserting that



YES precisely, I'm playing and he's just lurking throwing a few cases in between but never just sticking around or encouraging any discussion beyond his justification for a vote.

Like if he wants to die he can vote for himself, but it's obviously just his emo defense that you find so convincing, so he won't.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 18:09 GMT
#3555
On November 02 2015 03:05 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 02:54 Chromatically wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:50 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote:
Honestly, I don't know what my preference is really (on GB/Hopeless today) so I was just planning on going with whatever most people wanted to do to prevent some crazy voteswitches if people went insane or something. I've thought about what would happen if either player flipped either alignment, and I believe that the next lynch is always the other player.

I want GB because knowing what the wagons are is nice, he's getting harder to lynch (especially if Hopeless is town and we go to LYLO), he's very likely to be mafia from play, and personal gratification.

I want Hopeless because it feels incorrect to let him live another day without playing, and because he's very likely to be mafia just from his vote yesterday.

Maybe this is getting to far ahead, but in the event that we lynched Hopeless today and he flipped mafia, I think it's pretty important that we lynch GB next and not at LYLO. That way, in the event that GB is town, we have maximum information at LYLO on the D3 wagons so we can determine what the most likely last mafia is. I guess this scenario is unlikely though because it's not LYLO if Hopeless is mafia so GB probably gets lynched.

So I'm not sure if any of these reasons is better than the others.


sure we can lynch gb tommorow, as I dont see vivax getting lynched till lylo(you want a slippery one, there ya go). But yeah, we need to kill hopeless today, gb and vivax arent scum together so hopeless must be.



Yeah... although it's technically possible the team is something insane like GB+ritoky I guess? It's pretty hard to see a world where it's not Hopeless (although it's pretty hard for me to see not GB too).

I'm just worried that you won't go on GB again tomorrow gumshoe, you betrayed me once before after yamato .


I'm sorry ) : your right I do owe you one, if you really really really wanna kill gb I wont oppose it ok? It's just not the optimal move ) : also if the team could BE something with ritoky, wouldnt kit be better to know now before lylo? Gb's kill doesn't tell us anything about that T_T


Yes ritoky should be here choosing the guy to vote. It makes me uncomfortable he's afk since he proclamed himself conf town.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 18:14 GMT
#3558
On November 02 2015 03:11 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 03:09 Vivax wrote:
On November 02 2015 03:05 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:54 Chromatically wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:50 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote:
Honestly, I don't know what my preference is really (on GB/Hopeless today) so I was just planning on going with whatever most people wanted to do to prevent some crazy voteswitches if people went insane or something. I've thought about what would happen if either player flipped either alignment, and I believe that the next lynch is always the other player.

I want GB because knowing what the wagons are is nice, he's getting harder to lynch (especially if Hopeless is town and we go to LYLO), he's very likely to be mafia from play, and personal gratification.

I want Hopeless because it feels incorrect to let him live another day without playing, and because he's very likely to be mafia just from his vote yesterday.

Maybe this is getting to far ahead, but in the event that we lynched Hopeless today and he flipped mafia, I think it's pretty important that we lynch GB next and not at LYLO. That way, in the event that GB is town, we have maximum information at LYLO on the D3 wagons so we can determine what the most likely last mafia is. I guess this scenario is unlikely though because it's not LYLO if Hopeless is mafia so GB probably gets lynched.

So I'm not sure if any of these reasons is better than the others.


sure we can lynch gb tommorow, as I dont see vivax getting lynched till lylo(you want a slippery one, there ya go). But yeah, we need to kill hopeless today, gb and vivax arent scum together so hopeless must be.



Yeah... although it's technically possible the team is something insane like GB+ritoky I guess? It's pretty hard to see a world where it's not Hopeless (although it's pretty hard for me to see not GB too).

I'm just worried that you won't go on GB again tomorrow gumshoe, you betrayed me once before after yamato .


I'm sorry ) : your right I do owe you one, if you really really really wanna kill gb I wont oppose it ok? It's just not the optimal move ) : also if the team could BE something with ritoky, wouldnt kit be better to know now before lylo? Gb's kill doesn't tell us anything about that T_T


Yes ritoky should be here choosing the guy to vote. It makes me uncomfortable he's afk since he proclamed himself conf town.


Would you stahp trying this shit? Godammit XD stick to two scum reads and stop spamming paranoia in thread.


Why, are you 100 % sure beyond a doubt that ritoky is town?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 18:19 GMT
#3562
On November 02 2015 03:16 gumshoe wrote:
In the past day and night vivax has crumbed against me, ritoky, bh, chrom,

vivax do you even have town reads this game?



Chrom since his GB meta research and case, probably BH.

Everyone else I keep considering to be possible, you too.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 18:22 GMT
#3565
On November 02 2015 03:19 gumshoe wrote:

if we lynch gb and hes scum, we probally just lynch hopeless and then vivax the following day anyways, nothing really changes,

if we lynch gb and hes town, same story, we dont alter course

If we lynch hopeless and hes scum, again, we stay the course

if we lynch hopeless and hes town, that means ethier way we have a complex bus between vivax and gb, or someone in the town circle is scum.

Basically we have 4 outcomes, and only one of them has us changing course / : the only information that matters is the one you have to act on, therefore if you lynch for info, hopeless is the superior choice.


YOU KEPT SAYING ONE OF US ISN'T MAFIA.
Now you wanna lynch me even if GB flips scum?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 18:24 GMT
#3567
On November 02 2015 03:22 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 03:19 Vivax wrote:
On November 02 2015 03:16 gumshoe wrote:
In the past day and night vivax has crumbed against me, ritoky, bh, chrom,

vivax do you even have town reads this game?





Chrom since his GB meta research and case, probably BH.

Everyone else I keep considering to be possible, you too.


Fair enough : D btw if you actually did this your a godamm mastermind : P

Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 06:11 Vivax wrote:
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setting up town to be biased against pants on head townies from day 1 through a joke. Goddamn brilliant.


No the pants on head guy was GB when he started his D1 with scumreading me, and then whined about being scumread cause he was "too pants on head" to be scum, precisely.

Point I've made during D1 already.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 18:25 GMT
#3571
On November 02 2015 03:23 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 02:28 Vivax wrote:
BH why no opinion on who to lynch first between them?


I've been super duper clear on this repeatedly, said it so many times I'm kinda amazed you're confused, but even if I hadn't made it clear earlier:

Show nested quote +
On October 31 2015 07:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Huh. I was guessing gumshoe, but maybe scum think they've got a chance of lynching him. IT's not happening, though.

##vote: glowingbear

H1 is also acceptable to me today.


I'm voting GB and said "H1 is also acceptable" and I did this like 2 minute sinto the day. get your head in the game boyo


I've read that but it's no explicit preference for GB, it's just you voting him first while having a "meh,whatever" attitude.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 18:29 GMT
#3576
On November 02 2015 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 03:25 Vivax wrote:
On November 02 2015 03:23 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:28 Vivax wrote:
BH why no opinion on who to lynch first between them?


I've been super duper clear on this repeatedly, said it so many times I'm kinda amazed you're confused, but even if I hadn't made it clear earlier:

On October 31 2015 07:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Huh. I was guessing gumshoe, but maybe scum think they've got a chance of lynching him. IT's not happening, though.

##vote: glowingbear

H1 is also acceptable to me today.


I'm voting GB and said "H1 is also acceptable" and I did this like 2 minute sinto the day. get your head in the game boyo


I've read that but it's no explicit preference for GB, it's just you voting him first while having a "meh,whatever" attitude.


all this is doing is making me vaguely nervous that you're actually scum. get to the point


Read my posts about why I wanna lynch GB first, which I made right before upsetting you so gravely with those posts of mine, and tell me if you're convinced would be a start.

Or think of something that makes 1 lynch better, information wise or otherwise.

Why? Cause I want to kill GB and like to know who's on the stable train of killing him.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 18:31 GMT
#3579
On November 02 2015 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 03:01 Chromatically wrote:
On November 02 2015 00:46 GlowingBear wrote:
After I die, think twice before doing meta cases. Hint: they suck.

Gut feelings say hopeless is town. Facts point out to him being mafia (him voting me like that today is bad).

If you trust gumshoe's appeal to me, he is town. If not, he is always mafia with Onegu. I trust it. I don't think someone can get that low and swear on the life of others and be lying. Really, this is my reason to town read him.

After I die, kill Vivax. Then think twice about BH. I'm town. If I die today, will you reach MYLO? If yes, kill Vivax. If no, get rid of hopeless so you guys can clear your heads.

Read the latest student mafia so you can see I can be this burned out as town. I was town there.

I will vote Vivax because he keeps saying he is ready to in scum read me and was going against gumshoe automatically after I've brought that case. There was no real interaction between them before he decided my case was good and no tral interaction before he decided gumshoe was town again and I was mafia. He's most likely to be mafia after all.

##Vote: Vivax

Still, I have no idea why I'm mafia besides the meta case. Can anyone elaborate on this?

What does the underlined mean here?


Hopeless is always a question mark. If you can afford a second mislynch (after I die), go for hopeless. If not, then go for Vivax which I think is way scummier.


Wtf is that weird conditional? If you're town and die, tomorrow it's lylo right? So you should only be considering one scenario.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 18:34 GMT
#3584
On November 02 2015 03:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 03:31 Vivax wrote:
On November 02 2015 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 02 2015 03:01 Chromatically wrote:
On November 02 2015 00:46 GlowingBear wrote:
After I die, think twice before doing meta cases. Hint: they suck.

Gut feelings say hopeless is town. Facts point out to him being mafia (him voting me like that today is bad).

If you trust gumshoe's appeal to me, he is town. If not, he is always mafia with Onegu. I trust it. I don't think someone can get that low and swear on the life of others and be lying. Really, this is my reason to town read him.

After I die, kill Vivax. Then think twice about BH. I'm town. If I die today, will you reach MYLO? If yes, kill Vivax. If no, get rid of hopeless so you guys can clear your heads.

Read the latest student mafia so you can see I can be this burned out as town. I was town there.

I will vote Vivax because he keeps saying he is ready to in scum read me and was going against gumshoe automatically after I've brought that case. There was no real interaction between them before he decided my case was good and no tral interaction before he decided gumshoe was town again and I was mafia. He's most likely to be mafia after all.

##Vote: Vivax

Still, I have no idea why I'm mafia besides the meta case. Can anyone elaborate on this?

What does the underlined mean here?


Hopeless is always a question mark. If you can afford a second mislynch (after I die), go for hopeless. If not, then go for Vivax which I think is way scummier.


Wtf is that weird conditional? If you're town and die, tomorrow it's lylo right? So you should only be considering one scenario.


I don't know if tomorroe is LYLO, I'm too lazy to do maths.


And you felt less lazy in the other running game considering I was checking when you were rather posting there than here.

Matter I'm allowed to talk about cause that game is over.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 01 2015 18:42 GMT
#3594
On November 02 2015 03:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 03:35 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 02 2015 03:19 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 03:15 Chromatically wrote:
On November 02 2015 03:05 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:54 Chromatically wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:50 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote:
Honestly, I don't know what my preference is really (on GB/Hopeless today) so I was just planning on going with whatever most people wanted to do to prevent some crazy voteswitches if people went insane or something. I've thought about what would happen if either player flipped either alignment, and I believe that the next lynch is always the other player.

I want GB because knowing what the wagons are is nice, he's getting harder to lynch (especially if Hopeless is town and we go to LYLO), he's very likely to be mafia from play, and personal gratification.

I want Hopeless because it feels incorrect to let him live another day without playing, and because he's very likely to be mafia just from his vote yesterday.

Maybe this is getting to far ahead, but in the event that we lynched Hopeless today and he flipped mafia, I think it's pretty important that we lynch GB next and not at LYLO. That way, in the event that GB is town, we have maximum information at LYLO on the D3 wagons so we can determine what the most likely last mafia is. I guess this scenario is unlikely though because it's not LYLO if Hopeless is mafia so GB probably gets lynched.

So I'm not sure if any of these reasons is better than the others.


sure we can lynch gb tommorow, as I dont see vivax getting lynched till lylo(you want a slippery one, there ya go). But yeah, we need to kill hopeless today, gb and vivax arent scum together so hopeless must be.



Yeah... although it's technically possible the team is something insane like GB+ritoky I guess? It's pretty hard to see a world where it's not Hopeless (although it's pretty hard for me to see not GB too).

I'm just worried that you won't go on GB again tomorrow gumshoe, you betrayed me once before after yamato .


I'm sorry ) : your right I do owe you one, if you really really really wanna kill gb I wont oppose it ok? It's just not the optimal move ) : also if the team could BE something with ritoky, wouldnt it be better to know now before lylo? Gb's kill doesn't tell us anything about that T_T

I'm not entirely sure what the correct move is here. GB's kill would tell us about the wagons yesterday (which we don't get form Hopeless), so that we can start considering bus possibilities if GB was town?

The only way lynching one of them before the other is a problem is if both of them are town. So, we should lynch whichever one will give us the best information to decide if the other one could be town. If GB is town, then we can start considering whether the team was stacked on him (with Hopeless) or if it's some crazy bus (even though we should lynch Hopeless next anyway). If Hopeless is town, then... I don't think we get very much about other from that? Lynching for information feels bad but I think it's the best tiebreaker?


if we lynch gb and hes scum, we probally just lynch hopeless and then vivax the following day anyways, nothing really changes,

if we lynch gb and hes town, same story, we dont alter course

If we lynch hopeless and hes scum, again, we stay the course

if we lynch hopeless and hes town, that means ethier way we have a complex bus between vivax and gb, or someone in the town circle is scum.

Basically we have 4 outcomes, and only one of them has us changing course / : the only information that matters is the one you have to act on, therefore if you lynch for info, hopeless is the superior choice.


Wait, whey are we abandoning the H1 lynch if GB flips scum/town? I feel like we were all together on this before the Onegu flip: we lynch Onegu, Gb, and H1. Now the Onegu flip happens and everyone's freaking out. Why are we freaking out? Things are going great. I mean, yeah, vivax has turned into a suspicious motherfucker, but we have a spare lynch for him anyways. I think we got this on lockdown.

On November 02 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote:
Honestly, I don't know what my preference is really (on GB/Hopeless today) so I was just planning on going with whatever most people wanted to do to prevent some crazy voteswitches if people went insane or something. I've thought about what would happen if either player flipped either alignment, and I believe that the next lynch is always the other player.

I want GB because knowing what the wagons are is nice, he's getting harder to lynch (especially if Hopeless is town and we go to LYLO), he's very likely to be mafia from play, and personal gratification.

I want Hopeless because it feels incorrect to let him live another day without playing, and because he's very likely to be mafia just from his vote yesterday.

Maybe this is getting to far ahead, but in the event that we lynched Hopeless today and he flipped mafia, I think it's pretty important that we lynch GB next and not at LYLO. That way, in the event that GB is town, we have maximum information at LYLO on the D3 wagons so we can determine what the most likely last mafia is. I guess this scenario is unlikely though because it's not LYLO if Hopeless is mafia so GB probably gets lynched.

So I'm not sure if any of these reasons is better than the others.


Yeah support for the GB wagon has been gradually shot by scum for the past few days.


H1 dies no matter what, if he flips green, then we have to reconsider stuff (as in how likely is it that gb bussed vivax day 1)

but I really doubt h1 WONT flip scum.


HAHAHA the game where people were acumreading me until LYLO because I was useless. GJ Vivax.

And if you really doubt hopeless won't flip scum you should be voting him since you thought I could be town a few hours ago when I made my case on gumshoe.

You're clearly mafia and it amuses me people can't see.


Yet knowing you were town (?) you made cases on people on your own wagon around the time of the Onegu lynch.

Did the thought never occur to you that you might have been the counterwagon of mafia?
No? Why not?

Point made by I think Chrom around that time.
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November 01 2015 18:45 GMT
#3595

Yet knowing you were town (?) you made cases on people on your own wagon around the time of the Onegu lynch.


With this I mean, on people who at the time were voting with you against Onegu.
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November 01 2015 21:41 GMT
#3609
On October 28 2015 14:10 ritoky wrote:
also "could never be gb and vivax". no. let me tell you a story of a game of mafia where gb, damdred, and i rolled mafia. gb makes the first post "OMG I LOVE U GUYS, LET'S ALL BUS THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF EACHOTHER! GOIN FOR DAMDRED!" to which me and damdred also agree and bus the living fuck out of eachother and roflstomp the game. that was a fun game. it's not exactly probable but it is possible.


This doesn't make it sound like you would believe your own argument that you would never possibly have bussed all your teammates.

But let's see GB's alignment.
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November 01 2015 22:00 GMT
#3616
;(
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November 01 2015 22:03 GMT
#3618
Off to find the mafia left with H1 it is.
Cause it isn't me.
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November 01 2015 22:34 GMT
#3629
Mafia won D3 with the Onegu bus already. They're never gonna get lynched before me
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November 01 2015 22:35 GMT
#3630
Or rather "the last".

Hopeless might very well be lynched b4 me but the other just lays low and keeps lynching.
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November 02 2015 09:45 GMT
#3654
It maddens me that 1 mafia was there all along at the start of D1 right under my nose, but not gonna find out who that is for sure without rereading dis shit since the start.
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November 02 2015 14:36 GMT
#3655
I'm like 100 % on ritoky being mafia reading a bit of what rayn said on D1 and page 11 of his filter.
Also that means Chroma was town hero with his D1 reads.

I'll talk about it with people who are open to the idea.
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November 02 2015 16:59 GMT
#3657
Ritoky is obviously town god cause he decides to kill the ONE mafia he wasn't scumreading on D3, and then instead of scumhunting he spams over and over how confirmed he is.

Read page 11 and previously to see that.
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November 02 2015 17:23 GMT
#3660
Yeah I'll have to go with hopeless being mafia with him.

I think you will realize who's mafia instead of me at the end of this game after looking at the night actions gum.
Provided you manage to get over your stubbornness.
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November 02 2015 17:26 GMT
#3661
It's useless that you talk to me like I need convincing given I know my alignment and know for a FACT that Onegu got bussed.

And I think the guy who profited a lot from that lynch was ritoky, even though his filter is really lackluster oterhwise.
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November 02 2015 17:35 GMT
#3663
On November 03 2015 02:29 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 02:26 Vivax wrote:
It's useless that you talk to me like I need convincing given I know my alignment and know for a FACT that Onegu got bussed.

And I think the guy who profited a lot from that lynch was ritoky, even though his filter is really lackluster oterhwise.


not really talking to you : P more to the thread, also your smart enough to know that the whole "LOL I KNOW IM TOWN THEREFORE YOUR WRONG" argument is by far one of the weakest one can throw out -_-


I'm town therefore Onegu got bussed, that's my argument. You playing twister?
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November 02 2015 17:39 GMT
#3665
Your role on day 3 (convincing a townie to switch onto a mislynch) alone makes it likely your scum.


By that logic Chrom should also be scum.
Only difference is he switched to 1gu
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November 02 2015 17:40 GMT
#3666
You aren't capable of tinfoil gummy
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November 02 2015 18:27 GMT
#3673
On November 03 2015 02:54 Blazinghand wrote:
Like from my point of view although I was fine with the gb lynch, I spent a lot of effort trying to get people not to bail from the Onegu lynch and to get people to join it. Ritoky has a ton of "plausible deniability" about not being persuaded by the words of me and various other pro-lynch-onegu people. I guess what I'm getting at is, if Ritoky is scum, why take this leap and get onto Onegu? I get that it makes him look townie, but there's a REASON it makes him look townie, and that's that it's a bad move for scum to make. It's not just a bus, it's a bus that basically took Onegu from not being lynched to be ing lynched, if you think this is what happened.


It's clear when you compare what he does (= vote Onegu) with what he actually has been propagating previous to getting the advantage with that lynch (=everyone xcept 1gu mafia).

On October 30 2015 05:35 ritoky wrote:
so let's assume for a moment i am a GOD and completely right about onegu town and gb mafia. that means we have a very even wagon between a town and a mafia.

hopeless (resident lurker) comes into the thread, says some blah blah blah, and votes on the mafia in a town vs mafia situation. this almost always confirms hopeless......which would mean 2 mafia are outside the PoE if GB is mafia and onegu is town...

is that a world i want to believe in....ugh, fuck you brain for thinking.


On October 30 2015 05:37 ritoky wrote:
because i think 1gu wouldn't kill people he enjoys playing with unless forced to, and i also don't think he kills some1 in support of him who is not being universally TR. you can think it's shit, but won't change my mind.


On October 30 2015 06:16 ritoky wrote:
i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia.

onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu

gb/x/x most likely if gb.


Then he votes Onegu full out yolo mode against all his opinions.

From a point of view of a h1/1gu/ritoky team they're obviously going to give the burden of carrying the game to ritoky, or he's going to take it. For that he needs a bag of cred he gets with his town hero play.
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November 02 2015 18:29 GMT
#3674
Yes tomorrow a hopeless lynch is fine for me.

Hopefully it gives us one extra day to figure this out.
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November 02 2015 22:10 GMT
#3689
wp whoever last mafia is -.-
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November 02 2015 22:14 GMT
#3693
I'm not asking anyone to clear me for the NK. I'm really just amazed at how much my reads sucked.
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November 02 2015 22:50 GMT
#3700
It helps to know the context sometimes:

On October 30 2015 07:02 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 07:01 Chromatically wrote:
Whew, now we can just lynch 100% mafia gumshoe next and win


wat


On October 30 2015 07:02 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 07:01 Chromatically wrote:
Whew, now we can just lynch 100% mafia gumshoe next and win


wat


On October 30 2015 07:03 Vivax wrote:
BH screw you

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#3706
On November 03 2015 08:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 08:08 gumshoe wrote:
On November 03 2015 07:56 Blazinghand wrote:
btw Vivax moments like that are perfect for Ace Attorney screenshots


I am the only one who gets to decide what is worthy of ace attorney music/screenshots!!!!!!!!!

On a side note I fucked up not posting before the nk / : was over helping a friend prep for an interview.

Also ritoky? RITOKY? thats... an interesting shot... wouldnta guessed that one / :

##vote hopeless

this has to happen, I can rehash my whole case on hopeless voting gb instead of onegu when by his own admission (onegu testing phase was over) he should have totally voted onegu, but none of that matters.

this

Be honest, is there really a possibility that at I could convince everyone that I was town?


is basically unforgivable.

and yet i wasnt lynched yesterday. Im honestly confused.


Gum ur pardner?
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November 02 2015 23:14 GMT
#3707
I find it "surprising" gumshoe needs to find a reason to drop that vote
Feels like overkill
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November 02 2015 23:19 GMT
#3715
Gum you're a sneaky dog, that was unexpected. wpwp

(with backthoughts I might as well just be wrong again)

LIKE, the guy with hopeless is a massive snake of a scum player.
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November 03 2015 21:05 GMT
#3743
I would be happier if he happened to be town but I doubt it.
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November 03 2015 23:59 GMT
#3747
Idk who could be the last mafia at this point, too many doubts.
But if you're going to lynch me tomorrow, you can do it today and end the game earlier with a scum victory.

I'm not going to vote myself for wincon reasons but you should if you aren't prone to believe into me being townie.

Else all the hopeless lynch will do is delay this by another cycle, and I'm tired of this game. I don't believe the other 2 townies will change their mind.
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November 04 2015 22:08 GMT
#3762
Don't worry I think scum will simply not shoot.
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November 05 2015 16:07 GMT
#3769
I will fight like a crazy mofo for my life, don't think I will go down easily. CAUSE IM NOT MAFIA.
But first I need to decide who's the remaining mafia and it's tough. I might get back to chrom again just for the belief that not ALL my reads were wrong.

Past days I felt really defeated by the last mafia cause he's playing so well and after pinging at gumshoe I started doubting I would be able to ping him at all, but today I passed my assessment with 8/9 pts and I'm going to at least TRY to kick the last mafia's ass after I'm done drinking with my fellow students.

See you tomorrow for a maximum difficulty lylo fellas.
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November 05 2015 16:56 GMT
#3771
Why does it have to be you gumshoe? I just said I wasn't sure who's mafia anymore but you say it has to be between you and me.
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November 05 2015 22:57 GMT
#3783
I'm back, slightly drunk.

YES IT MATTERS BH.

And btw BH I medic dodged in that game and my team was oks with it, I didn't just send the NKs in over their heads.

That's one of the worst examples of meta I've seen. Like, what's the point there? Proving I'm scum cause the NKs in this game are in some sort of way "weird"?

No they're not weird at all, the first two guys who got killed in this game had me as town and GB/maybe Chrom/maybe gumshoe as scumreads.

It's hilarious that those very same dudes who managed to read me on effort and strongheadedness (or w/e it's called) alone (cause that's an actually good metaread) would be on my hitlist D1 and GB nowhere near it with his apparently so great reads.
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November 05 2015 23:00 GMT
#3784
The challenge in this game right now is to actually get you to look at each other without the constant thought in your head that I am scum for sure cause it's simply not true.

Why do you have to look at each other and comment on that?

Cause I got no real slamdunk idea on who is scum right now and I need help from volunteers. I can't solve this game alone, I've been just feeling outplayed for days and I'm paranoid about all of you.
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November 05 2015 23:11 GMT
#3785
And btw BH your meta analysis is actually a point in my defense cause marv and rayn are dangerous players when they don't get mad about obnoxious/lazy/crazy players and Xata, the third, had a massive filter.

At best the ritoky NK was weird cause he really quit playing the game altogether since the Onegu kill and all he did was keep spamming how confirmed he was. And besides I really wanted to lynch him so the NK felt to me like "nope, wrong again bro" and I just wanted to bite my own ass at that point.

I don't even know where to start looking for the last mafia and I will do it tomorrow anyway, sober.

One important point is that it's probably the guy who was most right and survived the longest, still.
Bolded for importance. We're looking for someone who was more right and more townie than marv or rayn since the game started, probably included scum in his lists but always pursued somebody else until he had to vote them, and who has always been buddy buddy with the other two townies.
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November 06 2015 09:17 GMT
#3789
When I get somebody to muse with me about situations where I'm not mafia instead of just reflecting everything I write back at me, I am in a position where we actually scumhunt instead of having you continuing to kick the guy who's already down.

I don't know how many lylos you played but it's usually where you want to have different camps and not just one.

For example we have 3 players right now, 1 mafia among them, and me being an uncontested lynch.
We need an advocatus diaboli to make this two sided, cause the game isn't over and you should still go over it. I wouldn't even be writing all this if I weren't a mislynch. But little can I do if the 2 remaining townies and the mafia keep repeating how they won't change their mind.

If you're good at this game and also know you can be wrong, you would have to help me make this a day where decisions are actually being made and not just followed through with.
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November 06 2015 09:31 GMT
#3790
Let's go for a round of actually considering alternatives:

This was written when Slam had 5 votes on him after gumshoe posted an initial team of Xata/hopeless/Onegu. He was indeed town jesus! Yet starting from these reads he kept changing them for strange reason and based on what others said.

On October 24 2015 00:42 gumshoe wrote:
Basically the people I would want to see lynched

Onegu-hopeless (both are interchangeably useless to me)

yamato-gb (these two are a matching pair, yamatos read on him was felt so accurate he is ether just right and awesome, or mafia taking advantage of gb being wrong about vivax)

probably wouldn't vote for anyone else outside these 4.



On October 24 2015 04:27 gumshoe wrote:
Onegu might be town, hes very soft in pushing his reads but we agree on several accounts. Gonna unvote.

Chrom feels pretty active/emotional, dont wanna lynch him.

Rayn strikes me as sincere but misguided, exactly how I would imagine a townie. We have expectations of veteran players, but truth is bieng right from the get go in a game of mafia can be more about luck than anything else. So no, I wont vote him today.

Slam is playing too sensible, dont wanna discourage this by killing him.

gb is town, unless hes scum with slam his reactions plus the way he protected him take him totally off my list.

I kind of need yam to answer mah questions before I can say anything else.

Today I'd be willing to lynch Ritoky, who has totally disappeared and needs to be on more peoples radar. 20 hours as of right now since he last posted.

Hopeless is also a target, but everyone seems to magically think hes town so I guess he gets a pass.



On October 24 2015 02:55 Onegu wrote:
So after catching up.

Marv is more active but still useless... Like really the best a town marv has is pushing a slam lynch. I guess he pushes GB. Hrmmm guess that is alot more than his last few games.

I think gumshoe is falling into the onegu rule.

Rayn is like 90% of his town meta.

Yamato did some stuff looked townie.

GB rolled my RnG.

Havent seen BH again since the start. IIRC he had some reads other than his RnG lynch. Townish I think.

Hopeless said he was going to lynch me for being useless I told him good luck, he didnt bite at the bait. Not looking good. IE rels in rayns game.

I have forever given up on attempting to read slam. Would lynch or wouldnt lynch. Not really top priority.

Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one.

UMMM... Who else.... Oh chrome completely forgettable. Scum read.

Vivax will trust yamato's read on him for now.

Ummm.....

No more Mabs or Town! since my rant post it must have worked.

Damn I am good at this game.

You all call me useless but then you all know my reads are normally right on. Unless they are completely wrong. It is never a mix of right and wrong. And I am more right than wrong.



On October 24 2015 02:57 Onegu wrote:
Ritoky...

No read.

Must be scum because I forgot about him.


Now you can just compare reads to see if what gum was saying was truthful...
GB and yamato Rngd and townread by Onegu, so gumshoe couldn't agree with it.
Gumshoe himself falling under the 1gu rule and not ask him wtf that means, also agreeing with that.
And Xatalos 100 % town, who was one of gum's initial scumreads.

So I assume this was gum early bussing his really useless mafia partners, then changing his mind when rayn and marv pushed for the slam lynch and GB made his dumb push on me.
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November 06 2015 11:56 GMT
#3791
BH is also town jesus early on.
Proposed shenannies on 1gu on D1 and on hopeless D2.

And Chrom obviously is a decent town but not really town jesus.

On October 25 2015 05:27 Chromatically wrote:
I guess here's my basic idea right now:

Xatalos
gumshoe
ritoky
yamato
marv
Vivax

BH
Hopeless
Onegu
rayn

GB

I feel pretty confident the top group is town, and I wanted to put rayn in the bottom group on feel but I haven't looked into it enough to feel comfortable saying that right at this moment. Been spending my time mostly on GB.


So you are 3 dudes who got all the right scumreads and still survived over ritoky and Xata.
You are all alive cause you look damn similar, if somebody can find mafia it's much easier from your position than from mine.

I am quite the underdog just cause I've been wrong on so many things that you can't believe that I wouldn't try to gain an advantage in any way from my knowledge of the game.
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November 06 2015 21:45 GMT
#3800
On November 07 2015 02:28 Chromatically wrote:
Vivax, what's your order of who you think is the most to least scummy right now?


I think you all played this game similarly, you probably the least, being one of those who pushed GB with quite the effort.
I'd put you into the towniest spot tentatively, BH in the middle and gumshoe as the scummiest.
That might change upon reread.

question vivax, do you think the no shot was the best choice for today?


It's an odd question since everyone agreed it was.
It just makes it harder for everyone to figure out the last maf, so yes, it was the best choice.
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November 06 2015 22:17 GMT
#3801
Tbh I'm not really sure about that chrom read of mine :/
He always stuck out to me early on, but he's putting in short bursts of effort that look pretty good, mostly, That's what made me change my mind from time to time.

And when I read 1gu's filter I don't see a read on Chrom, methinks.
These are his last few reads. And I doubt that he was bussing a mafia who was playing so well so I suppose BH isn't it. Gum could be, or Chrom.

On October 26 2015 23:59 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2015 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 26 2015 23:57 Onegu wrote:
On October 26 2015 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 26 2015 23:54 Onegu wrote:
On October 26 2015 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 26 2015 23:03 Onegu wrote:
So BH says I am scum because I come into the thread before I sleep to make a post. A post about something I have been thinking about. Then he brings something up. I say ok yeah maybe you are right we can discuss it before I vote him. Then I go to sleep because it is am local time.

And BH know that I just peace out as both alignments. Moreso as town so that should be NAI to him. Would lynch BH.

Out of the 2 wagons right now I could lynch either of them. Would lean more to Yamato as he looked really townie day one but then did nothing n1 and d2. This matches up to his scum meta as just fucking off and doing nothing. And I know he wasnt working because I was playing Dota with him.

Onegu i want a straight answer.
What does the bolded & underlined part refer to?



It refers to I was playing Dota with him last night.

I dont get what you are looking for here rayn.

You cant do activity reads on Yamato because he works alot. But this game I know he has free time. That effects my read on him here.

but you call him mafia for it?


No I am not calling him mafia rayn. I am null on him. I am null on GB. They are the 2 current wagons. I gave my thoughts on the wagons. I said if I had to choose from the wagons I would vote Yamato.

well who is scum?



Hopeless. BH. Ritoky.

I also dont like xata.

I thought gumshoe was mafia for a while but he looks much better now.

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November 06 2015 22:36 GMT
#3803
Your point about the shot doesn't matter, I'm just good enough to know the best play for scum in that situation, cause he has 2 guys who already agree with him. Why I think about this? Cause I think from town point of view. I know I'm the mislynch, I know that the last mafia just says the same stuff as the other two townies.

Easy decision for mafia: Don't shoot anyone, keep 2 allies and a mislynch.

Your gloom and doom point is irrelevant cause I play the game without many excuses really.
I was just telling you how I felt. How do you feel after pushing a lynch on the wrong guy?
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November 07 2015 10:25 GMT
#3809
I kinda want to scum BH atm cause he has been the least conclusive in this, mostly just pushy with some points and bad reasons to scumread me (like the NK being weird in some sort).

Gumshoe kept doing his thing of just talking down what I say as much as he can but in today's context it feels townish. I think he talks a lot of crap but it could be townie crap, especially cause it's a lot.

Chrom is probably the most considerate of them all given he actually reads gumshoe as an alternative.

Yeah, it could easily be BH, just based on lylo analysis. I'ma try to convince you if I find more but in case I don't manage I hope I'm right for a minimum of postgame cred x)
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November 07 2015 19:17 GMT
#3818
You guys aren't even replying to anything I write, what exactly should I do BH?

If 2 townies want to lynch me and never think about changing their mind then I can't do anything.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 07 2015 20:45 GMT
#3821
On November 08 2015 05:34 gumshoe wrote:
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On November 08 2015 04:17 Vivax wrote:
You guys aren't even replying to anything I write, what exactly should I do BH?

If 2 townies want to lynch me and never think about changing their mind then I can't do anything.


not fair, I've replied to everything / : you just don't have very good points.


No shame in losing to a good mafia. I'm never sure who it is, still.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 07 2015 20:48 GMT
#3822
But just based on today's posts I would say BH, he has felt pretty careless in this situation. Chrom and gum were more engaged and chrom even cared to look at other survivors before deciding.

Based on the entire game I probably can't tell.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 07 2015 21:19 GMT
#3825
On November 08 2015 06:12 Chromatically wrote:
If it's not Vivax, I think it's BH because gumshoe is town. He's played it so so well if he is though.


He's certainly the guy who stuck out the most passionate about the 1gu lynch, so yes, if it is him he played really well, and also managed to sneak in a few jokes.

Gonna vote him and then look a bit through his filter again, maybe 1gus or hopeless too.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 07 2015 21:25 GMT
#3826
This bit is very interesting as it shows two consecutive posts by 1gu. I bolded in the first one that he scumreads ritoky for townreading BH, yet the post right after1gu treats BH as a townread and actually unvotes at his request for hopeless shenannies.

Seems like the same mistake I pointed out where 1 gu spewed slam as a bad lynch on D1 in order to read marv. He tends to grab chunks of his perfect information to create reads.

On October 26 2015 14:27 Onegu wrote:
Ok I take back my read on Gumshoe. He looks really townie now.

I think I like a hopeless lynch at this point. He is just lurking which is with the way the thread was and has been imploding I cant shake the feeling there is at least 1 scum in the lurkers if not 2 or even 3. Plus I did a test for him and he failed it hard. He said he would vote me if I did nothing and I basically told him I look forward to it and he did nothing about it. There are a few other things like his votes and reasons. I will go more into it tomorrow.

Ritoky could also easily be mafia as a lurker, plus his thing following his towniest read and that read was BH.

Ill get into more details tomorrow.

But for now.

##Vote: Hopeless


On October 26 2015 14:41 Onegu wrote:
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On October 26 2015 14:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, he hasn't voted or posted in the past like 2 or 3 days, right? Although there's no hard activity requirement in this game, you are required to vote. He may jsut be modkilled. I don't even know why I'm reasoning with you Onegu but, couldn't we just shenannie onto Hopeless if he comes back? cause otherwise we should just let him get MKed

if you do want to actually lynch Hopeless (and I can't tell anything from his filter other than that he seemed vaguely itnerested in the game then never tried and stopped posting) you have to commit to shennannying at the deadline if he's gonna get modkilled, Onegu

The reason I bring this up is because I'm imagining the following situation:

We pull together a wagon on someone and lynch him, and then you never come back all day and hopeless1 gets modkilled, and you do not particupate in the town discourse all day and we don't know anything about you, and you never had to take any stances....

So here's what Iwant from you, 1gu: a commitment to shenannie if Hopeless1 isn't going to get modkill, and you take part in the day's discussions. What do you say?



oK

##Unvote

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 07 2015 21:30 GMT
#3828
he's clearly flailing looking for ANYONE to call scum and ANYTHING that can stick.


Which you say nobody would do as town on the chopping block at lylo?
I care about lynching someone else cause I know I'm the wrong lynch.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 07 2015 21:35 GMT
#3831
My point about Onegu possibly spewing BH as mafia still holds and I'll at least have the pleasure to have voted the right guy if it's correct (:

Chrom is actually still trying to think this through whereas BH just sits around praising himself and gum supporting that play all the time, but BH didn't really try to think through things during the day. Or to talk to me.

Gum prolly just thinking BH is his best friend but only one of them wins the game today. Or maybe it's gum and it's the other way around. My reads sucked, so I'm not confident.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 07 2015 21:37 GMT
#3833
You're wrong BH I try to figure out the game but instead of having an exchange about the things I find, all I get are stubborn one-way tunnels that voluntarily overlook what I post about others being mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 07 2015 21:56 GMT
#3839
You didn't want to reconsider and I can't make you cause he's hard to catch.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 07 2015 21:57 GMT
#3840
Whoever it is -_-
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 07 2015 22:00 GMT
#3845
gg bh
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 07 2015 22:05 GMT
#3851
I tried to fight but I just kept getting hammered whenever I tried.
Gum and BH seemed like they would never lynch each other, plus gum was in an endless tunnel and the first to start this idea that I'm mafia.

So it was gg there already. Chrom showed some good will to solve a lylo though.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
November 08 2015 11:41 GMT
#3876
On October 28 2015 07:30 Blazinghand wrote:
I can't imagine any reason to silence rayn, except perhaps to make town operate a bit more smoothly on its current path


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