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On October 14 2015 22:21 Palmar wrote: I curse this game to stall for about 2 weeks (so I can play) Since when does that matter, being semi afk is one of your metas. | ||
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On October 15 2015 01:00 marvellosity wrote: what's a condom? You only need it when you are into naked jogging | ||
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On October 16 2015 06:20 Rels wrote: This game follows the banlist. Bring in the horse heads U WOT | ||
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On October 21 2015 12:58 Half the Sky wrote: Congrats on the exam! Remind me again what you are studying? At the moment professional human butchery. Creeps intended. | ||
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On October 22 2015 02:26 Xatalos wrote: What happened to Robik? Haven't followed the forum too much lately. He brought the holy banhammer of endless wrath upon himself after saying some nasty things. Emphasis on endless | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:00 Chromatically wrote: Hi guys! I'm town You're wearing no pants on your head, you must be scum. | ||
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It usually involves getting on the nerves of some prickly dude. ##Vote yamato77 Cause he complained about flavour. | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:09 Xatalos wrote: Seems legit. Tried to find the Mafia comic where people wore pants on their heads, but didn't find it. Would appreciate link. Go to omgus, it's the guide on how to play mafia. | ||
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When he's afk he's mafia. | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:33 yamato77 wrote: I just don't take you seriously. If I do that and you're town, one of us is almost certainly going to die. If I do that and you're mafia, it won't help lynch you in any way. That doesn't make any sense. Your reply isn't influenced by my alignment, only by yours. Besides you might reverse that and say that if I'm mafia one of us is going to die, which is good. Or that if I'm town it won't help get me lynched, which is also good. But you chose to be a party pooper. So you're mafia. | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:40 yamato77 wrote: No, I chose not to participate in the propagation of stupidity. How is it stupid to want to have you play the game faced against the overwhelming odds that are my unbeatable arguments? | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:44 ritoky wrote: bh sleeping on me winning 6 of my 7 games as mafia on these forums made me die a little inside. I want to townread you for this post but that would be a bit premature for a decisive guess. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote rayn | ||
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Something inside me really wants to townread ritoky, and that snake picture just cracked me up. | ||
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On October 22 2015 07:04 Xatalos wrote: Dunno. I really don't know how gumshoe should be read. You know? I remember him being a really inactive/bad town once and he was basically policy lynched. Then he was extremely similar as scum and managed to survive like that (I even defended him because of him being similar as town earlier lol). Here he's surprisingly actually posting stuff... Or has he started generally posting lately? He used to be a very talkative townie, the walls o text type of townie. I think the policy lynch thingy was an exception, and seeing a wall of text posted makes me already feel better about him in this game. | ||
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On October 22 2015 07:08 Xatalos wrote: Hm... I still kind of like the active approach he had. It would be easier to just sheep / bandwagon / blend in without raising original topics as scum than to push an early case. This on top of the feels from his posts. | ||
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ritoky Blazinghand gumshoe Yamato: + Show Spoiler + and rayn gets pranked | ||
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On October 22 2015 07:27 Blazinghand wrote: by "cheat" btw I mean "cheat on my spouse" not "cheat at mafia", since cheating at mafia is unforgiveable. you get the idea though. I'm waiting for the day you say you can't play cause your wife is chasing you with a rolling pin. | ||
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-1 points for style | ||
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Not that it matters much for D1 cause we just vote yamato and if he doesn't do anything that looks like he cares he's mafia. I'm also mildly suspicious of Chrom but that can wait. | ||
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Kind of a transcendent way for me to read him. | ||
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On October 22 2015 08:12 Hopeless1der wrote: anywho, I put my faith in RNGesus ##Vote raynpelikoneet I really hope for us that you aren't mafia with yamato or this is set to become a pretty sad game. | ||
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Which one. | ||
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On October 22 2015 08:18 Hopeless1der wrote: gumshoe you need to work on your tldr. TL;DR: BH's RNG post=null See how that works? No it doesn't work like that cause when gummy is being logorrhoic I can townread him. | ||
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I really want to lynch you now hopeless. | ||
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On October 22 2015 08:31 gumshoe wrote: Still leaving my vote on vivax though, because he has the superior rack, No I don't have tits | ||
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On October 22 2015 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: atalos you're gonna go to see prodigy on Nov 3th? RAYN DON'T DO THIS TO ME | ||
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On October 22 2015 08:57 GlowingBear wrote: Hi I'm town And I'm in my class You have class at night over there? It's ranging from 7 to 10 PM according to google. | ||
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On October 22 2015 09:05 Alakaslam wrote: Folks when it loses it's uniqueness it loses it's power hijole | ||
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GB did you totally ignore the post where I actually muse about ritoky's alignment for a bit before deciding to townread him? Or the fact that going aggressive on yamato early was part of my early game strategy, which I also said in the thread (and later turned to actual confidence on him being scum). I saw he posted a bit on the phone today so I'll have to process that first, but that's not the point I'm making with this post. | ||
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On October 22 2015 13:23 yamato77 wrote: I don't think Vivax is mafia. I think Xatalos has some questionable parts of his filter and I agree with gumshoe to an extent. I do not think gumshoe is mafia very often (given his play this game). I think marv has changed how he plays (quite obviously). Don't know what to make of that quite yet. I think rayn is leaning town but it's hard to say with not much having happened. Most others are a big ?, including yourself. tl;dr it's been 20 pages and 8 hours and no reads are confident. I'm kinda bothered by the fact yammo feels like giving reads on people he doesn't actually have a read on instead of focusing on the stuff he finds interesting. Reads a bit like an appeasement post. Last town yammo I saw (the one where he lynched me at lylo over scum Damdred) he was actually active on D1 and even surprisingly dickish about things, the capslock type dickish, and there's plenty of stuff to laugh about in this game and he doesn't feel like having fun, still. I'm not really convinced by this. I can totally picture somebody in the scum qt urging him to post, the little tinfoil on my shoulder wants it to be rayn. | ||
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On October 23 2015 01:00 marvellosity wrote: This is the same Vivax who tunnelled me and HF and one other based on a connection theory for abour 36h starting from half an hour into day 1, yes? That Vivax who is wary of giving reads? lol | ||
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On October 23 2015 01:12 GlowingBear wrote: EBWOP Vivax you KNOW that if yamato is town he will eventually come to the thread and try. It has been like that for a long time. It's the kind of player that you get better read on him as the game goes by. Instead you decided to push him at the start of day 1 and is actually scum reading him for being AFK for less than 24 hours. Yes cause he didn't interact much with everyone else and only talked about him not wanting to engage with me and Xata, plus he entered the thread with that shitty complaining tone, the sort of tone Palmar caught you with, the jist being "complaining and not doing anything about it". Then his half assed reads post. | ||
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A mafia yamato is an easy catch and on D1 I'm not going to try and go for the hard catch. Pull the head out of your ass or keep being ridiculous but then don't complain if I disregard anything you say. | ||
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On October 23 2015 06:52 yamato77 wrote: GB, on the other hand, hasn't posted anything outside of what I believe he could post as mafia, so I'm still quite suspicious of him. Do expand cause it feels like you might get on my good side with this. Then again I could be able to talk myself into believing it's the only reason for you saying that since I'm the guy who's getting on your nerves the most so far, but it'd still be a start. | ||
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Guess that's what you call bittersweet. | ||
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I'm a tide of open mindedness and emotions with a bastard coating to discern the weak from the strong. | ||
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Now I know the above doesn't mean anything but I'm going for the he's town thingy. | ||
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On October 23 2015 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato i just don't thee scum GB here. meh.. i guess i can be wrong here but idk. I just don't see it. Come on man you can give something more definitive than this. | ||
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So um yeah, either my tone sucks but then my townreads don't have anything to do with it, and when confronted with other people's opinions (marv was hitting that with a pneumatic hammer) he abandons it and starts looking for another reason to bitch about my alignment, so he asks me some fancy questions "why do you townread these dudes" when it's a question he could ask anyone without having to scumread them first. | ||
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On October 23 2015 10:38 GlowingBear wrote: No it doesn't. 1.There is no scum-motivation behind trying to push someone who is being universally townread. If scum wants to push someone, they will push mislynchable townies. They (usually) are never going against a hard target. 2.I pushed Vivax because I don't like his tone and his easy town passes. I can find it scummy before further investigating it. I'm re-reading the game atm. 1. Wow look at you with the pants on your head, scum would never wear pants on their head. 2. The point is that you can just stick to your guns in that case instead of complaining about me not explaining my reads which is something that doesn't catch scum most of the time. There are dozens of read lists in this game and not every read is explained properly, it's a bottomless barrel. For example there's you saying marv has changed his playstyle and you're not sure about it and then he's suddenly green in the list post of yours, if I ask you why you'd say "I changed my read cause bsbs", great. If I call you scum for it you will just give a reasonable explanation. Or the irony in saying my reads are too static but being suspicious about me giving out too many of them, and basically being the first to do so. You accuse first and ask questions later, that's what I demonstrated with the post of mine and I have a hard time seeing you as the kind of guy who usually tunnels me for reasons I don't understand (like Koshi/Artanis/marv in earlier days). | ||
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Marv if your theory about Slam is correct it also means that everybody who actually started making cases on rayn before slam hooked himself into that bait was town. Cause that's usually when scum bites: When townies are wrongly suspicious about a town dude. | ||
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On October 23 2015 19:23 marvellosity wrote: there were people attacking rayn before? who was it? I didn't check that but I like it as a premise. I'm assuming BH, Xata and if I'm not incorrect some minor suspicion here and there. Yes I was lazy. | ||
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I'm not really good at reading him except from the way he behaves with his choice of target. | ||
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also yeah the unsure about marv thingy was yamato i think, mistook his post for gbs | ||
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On October 23 2015 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: and btw this is what GB does as scum. He basically does something that is "too scummy to be scum" then, when called out for it he says "mafia would never do that so i am not mafia". Hell he isn't even really defending his read (see Trfel/Damdred last game), he just says "i would not pick Vivax as my target as mafia because people are townreading him". yea it felt that way in a post i quoted where he said he cant be scum cause he has pants on his head. | ||
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No you display basic human intelligence. | ||
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On October 24 2015 00:28 GlowingBear wrote: Marv here is your logic. GB is mafia because his read is bad. Onegu sheeps bad read. Onegu isn't mafia. You're saying a bad read is scummy but blindly sheeping a bad read isn't. Come on. I'm still quite keen on lynching GB for his flailing about the scumreads on him. Usually when scum is pressured like that, this is one of the kinds of poop that comes out: They compare themselves to a random guy who did something similar complaining that he's not being scumread instead of them. | ||
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I remember how I used that in my first games, trying to incite a revolution of the masses to overhtrow the vet government. Then I got hanged, torn and quartered. | ||
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Xata I mean that I can feel when you're fake posting and actually posting. | ||
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You felt pretty solid to me early in the game, I'm still sticking to that. | ||
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On October 24 2015 01:52 Alakaslam wrote: I'm not saying they shouldn't use it as town. More that they are using it scummily here. If it comforts you I feel ambiguous about rayn too when he goes after you and not GB but I also take into consideration that we all got massive egos. | ||
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On October 24 2015 01:56 Xatalos wrote: Alright... And what's your stance on the whole debacle between me/rayn/Slam? Be good and lynch GB with me. | ||
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Some agreement would be nice, and if that isn't obvious I'm leaning towards a certain guy over another. Gumbro it's time to pick sides. | ||
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My grammar is feeling wacky today | ||
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On October 24 2015 02:34 yamato77 wrote: I have arrived Not a carrier, just a shitty arbiter still | ||
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On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote: Sorry, why is he okay? BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too. I can't understand what you guys find townie in him. You mean my yolo townread on yamato? Didn't somebody already tell you that you should read the game. | ||
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Oh boy another one poking at a bee hive. | ||
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On October 24 2015 03:08 GlowingBear wrote: I've read the game but I didn't see that? On October 23 2015 07:15 Vivax wrote: Good news boys, yammo either just pocketed me like a newb or he's actually town. Now I know the above doesn't mean anything but I'm going for the he's town thingy. | ||
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On October 24 2015 03:08 marvellosity wrote: Meta point on Chromatically: In Detention (town) he didn't give a single townread on day 1 In Order Mafia (mafia) he did In this game he has given town reads I'm looking at this because it was a couple of his posts on townreads that made me raise my eyebrows The only thing raising my eyebrows when I look for what you could mean by that is that he calls it a slam dunk case when ritoky posts the snake picture just like he did in a game as mafia. I was initially thinking he was joking but given that it looks like he went deeply into his meta maybe that isn't the case. | ||
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On October 24 2015 03:09 GlowingBear wrote: Cool that you are actively reading the thread and only came back 30 minutes later when I quoted your name. I just saw it in your filter. LOL you can't be serious. I'm all over this place when I'm in front of a computer. | ||
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You don't have what it takes to get my jokes. "Carrier has arrived" - Carrier "I have arrived" - yamato Arbiter - Yamatos avatar | ||
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I have no idea what you're talking about. It rather feels like there's an angry chihuahua constantly barking at me and nobody knows why. | ||
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On October 24 2015 03:19 Blazinghand wrote: So Vivax, if I understand what you're getting at here, you were tonereaded by Vivax as scum. After people came in to defend you, Vivax then said "GB is pushing easy targets, so he's still scum". Why is GB scum and not a tunnelled townie for this? I think you raise a good point with the marv flip-flop (though again, marv is easy to read this game, so we don't really care about him) but "this guy got tunnelled and changed his reason for scumreading someone" seems like... well, in a vacuum it seems like the kind of thing a townie would do, especially if it's a little unpopular. Scum could easily change reads (as you note GB did on Marv), so why not do that on you? If I've missed context here, fill me in. Also, if I recall accurately you were one of the early supports of the RNG lynch on rayn. However, glancing through your filter, I don't see anything other than cursory interactions with him between voting him and now, and yet he's no longer on your list. You also write: Which wasn't too long ago. Where do you stand on rayn, and why? I'm not saying "hurr durr vote rayn now" but I'd like to see a clear statement from you on your position on raynpelikoneet, who In fact there wasn't a read switch by GB in regard to marv, it was my mistake. I think you're typing faster than you read. I stand on rayn's porch, contemplating life, mostly. | ||
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And my legacy, I decree, is to give marv thread control, I'll basically sheep him and work as his propaganda minister. From this point on you stand with us or against us and all the other demagogic blabla. | ||
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##Vote Chromatically He failed the entry test of participating on a wavelength with others (which is why he didn't make it into my initial town list) He's good at nonstop producing reads with some arguments attached to them but doesn't really interact with the thread much until he gets scummed. The ritoky picture argument he called a slam dunk argument (Not sure if bad or mafia for this one, but both is also possible. So it's 66 % vs 33%, science never fails). Feels mechanical (stick up his arse). And obviously, this is part me, part marv propaganda. | ||
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Are you telling me there is? | ||
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I'm not 100 % sold on Chrom. One of the things that give me pause is that he goes for unusual angles of attack, but in a rather flexible way compared to, say,GB. I can sum up GB like this: Spends like a page of filter talking about me, the argument switch thingy, then moans and bitches about Onegu not being scumread over him, some emotional outburst here and there, after bitching about Onegu he pops a vote on BH for reasons I don't really understand (then BH comes in and is BFF with GB no questions asked but whatever, that's a thing apart), then he suddenly feels enlightened and makes public he was doing a shitty push after asking some really weird questions I don't understand the point of up to this point, and then unvotes and kinda afks. | ||
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Chrom why does it have to team rayn or team xatalos? | ||
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On October 24 2015 18:03 marvellosity wrote: just popping in to say i'm not playing this game until either xata or i are dead, because apparently i'm not allowed to replace out because i loathe playing with someone this game. Good news marv is going to play the game now. Oh wait. | ||
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So Xata, ritoky, gumshoe probably town. Never felt a reason to question that besides when Xata found the tinfoil hat I'm seeming to miss this game, that made me curious but doesn't give me much reason to doubt the alignment still. BH dropped off the town list, he has entered the circle of crap now and it's D2 so he can quit the act now. I'll, take a closer look at him after posting this. Chrom is still null cause his posting to me still feels very...controlled. Now this feels important: It seems like he's out there with his thoughts but the way he packages them and always only posts stuff that seems relevant gives me the feeling he tries to fulfill his duties but doesn't really have fun playing. I guess his ritoky joke was an exception but it felt so dry that I get doubts whether he thought he was actually being funny. Reminder to check if he's always this boring and to the point in every game. GlowingBear is still mafia and I don't think I need to add more to the reasons for thinking that. And rayn keeps saying that too but then finds another target to maneuver to. I've been noticing this trend since D1 but attributed this to his ego thinking there's a better target. However at EoD I vividly remember him saying how mafia GB is while going for Slam and I was totally expecting him to be with me on him at the start of D2. No way jose, he yet found another guy to choose over GB and now that's really itching me to the point I stopped wearing the eyepatch with town rayn stitched on the inside. | ||
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Meta wise I find him a tough nut to crack, so I'm going with the towny thingy for content, effort etc. . I just feel like he stands more on my side of things with his content in this game as opposed to say rayn, Onegu who I currently don't trust. Actually everyone who's suspicious of Xata makes me itch inside. I'm going with hopeless town for reasons of sanity and cause he actually didn't post that little, even though the content quality remains the usual. Scum is among yamato/rayn/GB/Onegu/BH. Contributing to this game means finding out who the two townies are. | ||
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On October 25 2015 13:55 Chromatically wrote: rayn/Onegu, I think you should step back from the game and see that Xatalos is one of the few people really trying to figure out this game. That's not enough to prove him town, but it's really a very strong argument for it and I think there's no way he is the best lynch today. I agree that I am liking Onegu less and less. Why would you ask GB if the case on him holds water? There's certainly no drive to figure out the game. I didn't like some of the other stuff he said today either (suspicion on ritoky and gumshoe, meta read on rayn seemed kind of like TMI). Actually I'm putting Chrom back to null cause I feel like these two parts from the last post feel strange to me for the fact he's talking to rayn and Onegu in that moderating way, then voices suspicion about Onegu. Shouldn't he be like: "I'm also suspicious of Onegu cause he's attacking Xatalos who I think is really obvious town"? Oh god he's so hard to decide on -_- | ||
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Marv is more active but still useless... Like really the best a town marv has is pushing a slam lynch. I guess he pushes GB. Hrmmm guess that is alot more than his last few games. There is so much TMI in here that I really want to lynch him now. | ||
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What point is there in discussing marv the way he did if he was indeed thinking that he's town anyway? That stuff reads more like he's simulating doubts. Why does he automatically assume that Slam is a bad lynch if he doesn't know his alignment and town marv is pushing it? I'm not even concerned as much that he adresses marv as town marv, the TMI lies more in the fact he calls the Slam lynch bad a priori. | ||
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On October 26 2015 01:39 GlowingBear wrote: You've being scum reading me all day one. Now there's an actual case on me. A very effortful one. and you're thinking about voting Rayn and looking for reasons to town read me? Lol no way try to lynch me then and quit being a little bitch | ||
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i also hate u start posting when i have to phonepost, bleh | ||
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Good to know you're around BH, why suggest shenannies on hopeless without really making a decision in the GB + yamato set of options? You know it's way easier to just join one of the camps for a successful scum lynch than suggest hopeless who is more coinflippy? | ||
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I do admit that I was hasty in reading it as you suggesting a hopeless lynch. But that means you didn't suggest anything, you told Onegu how to play the game. | ||
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On October 26 2015 17:24 Blazinghand wrote: let me show you what's what boyo ##vote Onegu plus I think we both know that I dont' need to do anything to prove myself innocent since I'm getting shot tonight regardless. I am free of the feelings of "pressure" that others may feel since the only guy who might get shot ahead of me normally, rayn, has given up on playing the game. and yes I think rayn is town No you aren't getting shot, don't try to pull the cocky card on me. Rayn is town in your opinion but GB and yamato have lots of intel on them floating around here and you don't want to pick up on it. | ||
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We can only deal with 2 wagons at EoD without giving the three malicious voters too much leverage on the lynch. I voted Onegu earlier myself but I have to compromise with other dudes who I think are town and share at least a scumread with me, cause just one vote won't decide anything. So I see it as bad strategy and potentially scummy way to not do anything if you just ignore the 2 main wagons and do your own thing without considering what others are thinking. I'll have a look at your cogent arguments for GB being town if I find them. | ||
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Ritoky move with me to yamato? | ||
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But the matter is that as far as I know you, you shouldn't be so mad as town, for so long. You know it works both ways, you can also play mad cause you're mafia, not town, and think your team sucks and yamato is on it and isn't doing jack. I could see you getting so upset over that than over say, slam. | ||
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Besides the wagons were 3 - 3 with GB getting lynched and all you had to do was vote him? I get you think he's scum but you keep preferring Xata instead and that's really weird. | ||
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Or when you need to create a reason for not being NK during the next nights if you're mafia. I can totally see anyone being suspicious of you the way you're behaving, myself included. | ||
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No it wasn't really townie, it just looked like he was active enough to not be scum, and that's the best tell for him. If you say that his D1 was really townie you will have to show what besides his activity made it look that way, when you don't wanna scumread him but townread him for it (which is what it looks like). | ||
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I'm saying that at best his D1 performance was good enough to give him a D1 pass, more for activity than for the rather mediocre content (like his post where his reads are really ambiguous). And that means that unless you can show what of his D1 was so townie, you're judging him townie by activity. But today you say that activity is a bad way of reading him. | ||
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Yamato did some stuff looked townie. This is from your list post. | ||
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On October 27 2015 00:25 Onegu wrote: Because he had reads and put effort into the game. He can make posts as scum but he doesnt put effort into his posts. I felt he put actuall thought into his reads. Looked townie to me. I'm gonna compare his reads to yours from the time in question and tell you if you're mafia in a bit. I already noticed you had opposite reads on GB so you're one step closer to a bad road. | ||
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On October 22 2015 13:23 yamato77 wrote: I don't think Vivax is mafia. I think Xatalos has some questionable parts of his filter and I agree with gumshoe to an extent. I do not think gumshoe is mafia very often (given his play this game). I think marv has changed how he plays (quite obviously). Don't know what to make of that quite yet. I think rayn is leaning town but it's hard to say with not much having happened. Most others are a big ?, including yourself. tl;dr it's been 20 pages and 8 hours and no reads are confident. So this and the GB scumread is the best effort we see from yamato during D1. On October 24 2015 02:55 Onegu wrote: So after catching up. Marv is more active but still useless... Like really the best a town marv has is pushing a slam lynch. I guess he pushes GB. Hrmmm guess that is alot more than his last few games. I think gumshoe is falling into the onegu rule. Rayn is like 90% of his town meta. Yamato did some stuff looked townie. GB rolled my RnG. Havent seen BH again since the start. IIRC he had some reads other than his RnG lynch. Townish I think. Hopeless said he was going to lynch me for being useless I told him good luck, he didnt bite at the bait. Not looking good. IE rels in rayns game. I have forever given up on attempting to read slam. Would lynch or wouldnt lynch. Not really top priority. Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one. UMMM... Who else.... Oh chrome completely forgettable. Scum read. Vivax will trust yamato's read on him for now. Ummm..... No more Mabs or Town! since my rant post it must have worked. Damn I am good at this game. You all call me useless but then you all know my reads are normally right on. Unless they are completely wrong. It is never a mix of right and wrong. And I am more right than wrong. I bolded everything they should disagree on (and the GB part isn't even included) and I can say with a certain confidence that there's no reason for a town Onegu to blindly trust yamato here, or even give him a town pass for effort when his rayn and marv reads are similarly wishywashy to Onegus. | ||
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On October 27 2015 00:47 Chromatically wrote: I have an easier time thinking that yamato as town could have just lost interest in the game and stopped posting because I felt like he was town during day 1. I think it's much more risky than GB and Onegu who have done scummy things. What made you feel like he was town? Are you ONegu the second? Everyone's just calling him town on D1 when I see ZERO reasons besides the activity. Like the only reason I ever saw to not lynch yamato was the fact he posted a bit, but there's nothing particularly townie in there. | ||
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I would really like to set everything straight with those I think are town long before any shenannies can cause a ruckus way too early before deadline. In the last couple of hours my read on rayn has worsened and the read on GB has improved somewhat. I typed up a question asking him if he still thinks I'm mafia but I figure he still does for some reason. What's good for him is that he's on a good wagon with two who I think are very likely town and myself. Rayn is being a complete dick and I know he likes to do that as mafia. Chrom freaks me out with his persistence on GB over yamato. That said, I wouldn't mind lynching rayn any more, I would even lynch him before GB to make the thread more enjoyable, and cause he doesn't shine town to me as he does to Chrom for some reason. So I'm calling early shenannies on rayn: ##Unvote ##Vote raynpelikoneet | ||
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Otherwise I'd have gone with the plan to let NKs sort you out, but like this it's never gonna happen and you are just impeding progress. | ||
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On October 27 2015 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: just because for the last 10 hours i have ACTUALLY played this game. | ||
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On October 27 2015 05:15 ritoky wrote: thank you for telling me to calm down, i was hyperventilating It's good against metabolic acidosis | ||
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On October 27 2015 05:23 ritoky wrote: vivax, what's up with that post about "chrom wtf u doing?" can you like...splain that to me? Yes the way he skipped all the drama to only talk about GB constantly and how his opinion on rayn never seemed to change like it did with me and GB still gives me the feeling he has a stick up his ass in a not townie way. Like, he has actually really low thread interaction and sticks with presenting his opinion from time to time but without being bothered at all that everyone is discussing something entirely different than just who to lynch, which is where you usually try to get on that level of discussion to actually get listened to about what you want. | ||
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On October 27 2015 05:23 ritoky wrote: vivax, what's up with that post about "chrom wtf u doing?" can you like...splain that to me? And besides this question is really odd to ask to me, it's pointless unless you think I was onto something there, which you probably don't. You've been the only one to find this even worth mentioning, why? | ||
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Especially with all that mess going on all he could do was say "rayn is town, GB is scum". Obviously with some reasons attached to them but still he feels disconnected from other people, in a way. I'll refrain from having a decisive opinion on him yet cause it feels like he's so hard to read, but these are my thoughts. | ||
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Ace sig brought it on point: "Town is as strong as their weakest player". Not to say yam is a weak player in general but if he's town in this game he clearly is cause he doesn't even have to do much besides posting his opinion somewhat regularly to not get lynched. | ||
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Right, ritoky? | ||
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n e v e r a g a i n | ||
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Chrom ritoky rayn mafia gogogo | ||
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On October 28 2015 02:46 Onegu wrote: I am here. We are lynching Hopeless tomorrow. Lynch bait express | ||
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At least I tried on D2. | ||
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On October 28 2015 02:52 Xatalos wrote: And now I'm depressed after reading the last pages of marv's filter... I guess I was a bit too persistent in arguing with him though, overall. Neither of our attitudes were really too productive in those moments. The points with Chromatically gave me some renewed concern. It's also a bit uncomfortable how rayn soft defended him, then marv went to see for himself and showed it wrong... Why would town rayn give that defense then in the first place? Not sure how you got ritoky = scum though Vivax? I agree he's been less and less noteworthy over time, but... Did marv ever suspect him? The way he asked me about why I bitched about Chrom's play felt passive aggressive to me and when he replied to me asking him why he'd ask me (cause the only reason he would possibly have asked me was that he found it suspicious), he basically replied in a way I felt was defensive. As if he didn't want to get into any trouble for his question in the first place. | ||
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On October 27 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote: trying to lynch his top mafia read who he made a decent case on who has done nothing to deserve a town read and who's only defense has been "i'm not mafia". what are you doing? On October 27 2015 05:37 ritoky wrote: cuz it struck me as odd. the guy has a scum read he has said he is over 90% confident in, he made probably the best case of the phase to try and compell people to vote on him; and it hasn't gotten traction. he keeps pushing it trying to get his top read killed....i guess what you said isn't odd in the context of "can you get out of your tunnel and talk about other stuff?" but idk, it just stuck out to me cuz i don't see a compelling reason to read GB town, i like chrom's case, GB's defense is "i am town, push to vote" which is crap tier; so calling out someone for really assertively trying to get him lynched doesn't seem.....i dunno it was just a wat? moment Here | ||
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On October 28 2015 03:01 GlowingBear wrote: No way you defend me like you did and say this, gumshoe. No way. Are you getting paid to call obvious townies scum this game, mafia, or just genuinely awful at this game? | ||
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but for most people slam is just a pain to play with as a player and as a human being rofl | ||
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On October 28 2015 06:15 Blazinghand wrote: I currently have a townread on rayn, based on his interaction with the hosts. He's also been gradually improving since the end of D1. I see no reason to lynch him during D3, and would be hardpressed to imagine an argument that would convince me. Admittedly, his super lackluster performance N1 and D2 are, well, super lackluster: but I know rayn and I know his rage. I'm pretty sure his anger was genuine, given that he directed it at the host and the fact that it was dripping with biting sarcasm. I can go more in-depth on this if you'd like to discuss rayn. Cmon man you type up 6 lines and in none of them is an answer to what I wanted to know. Can you please tell me if you ever scumread rayn in this game? | ||
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I would like say. see you in 48 h but I'll likely post anyway | ||
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Anyway you're on par with yamato's level of awfulness if you're town in this game. I'll try to reread the game though and as usual get some sort of game solving aha moment that nobody listens to and then we lose. Maybe I'll even end up unscumreading GB. | ||
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On October 30 2015 01:48 Onegu wrote: That vote from hopeless on Xata is so fucking random, If he is going to be around why use a placeholder and why Xata. Then he drops a vote on GB... Why does this give me the heebie jeebies that this is two town wagons... Can we please vote hopeless? ##Vote: Hopeless Yea I don't really get the placeholder vote, it's just weird but can't really think of a reason why it's something only mafia would do. And what's your reasoning for townreading GB? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 27 2015 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: GlowingBear is definitely mafia. Just read this and the post i made about this earlier, here: and here... The fact is this has nothing to do with either: 1) re-evaluating a read, or 2) not having read the thread GlowingBear calls me town, then calls me mafia 20 hours later while calling me town there all the time between. Nowhere there does he make any attempt to re-evaluate anything, also i asked him multiple times if he has read the thread properly. He says "yes i have". This is not re-evaluating something (in contrary to for what example i did regarding my reads on ritoky / GB on D1), because he never shows any process of re-evaluation. Then, he just ends up saying the same bullshit Xatalos is pushing. Now idk, maybe he expected Slam to get lynched and didn't want to be on a mislynch wagon, or maybe he expected Xatalos to be able to lynch me which would be a much better for mafia than Slam lynched. idk. But still, the fact is he ended up voting for his townread over someone who he "can't get a read on" (=null). That, is a fact, and he just made up reasons for the read, as shown above. Hopeless is another scum since he just doesn't play anymore. He can also get lynched. Next thing is to read Onegu, and unless i come to the conclusion he is scum then the next thing is to read BH. Just because BH does not really take any stance on any lynch. He really does not, he goes onto his shennies which gives him outs left and right saying either "i was right", "i tried to lynch mafia", "i didn't want to lynch town", or if he hit mafia "i actually wanted to lynch that mafia". Shennies are bullshit and they don't even happen. Period. He is not trying to lynch anyone for reals. Why not include GB here: + Show Spoiler + On October 28 2015 12:21 Onegu wrote: Rayn scum reads Xata, and hopeless and then dies. Coincidence I think not. Anyway I am going to bed. We should lynch xata or hopeless today. Just a really derpy post, he thinks GB is town contrary to what rayn posted last. And wtf is a clout? + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2015 01:32 Onegu wrote: The main reason is because I am scum reading you two more. GB needs looked at also, but I feel multiple people scum read GB maybe he shoots rayn, but only rayn and myself were scum reading you. Rayn had the clout that I dont to actually lynch you. Then says he agreed with most of rayn's reads and later drops the vote on Hopeless over GB who is way more likely to be lynched. + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2015 01:42 Onegu wrote: Rayns reads were correct and that is why he was killed. A serious rayn is capable of putting a legit case on scum even if he is being scum read getting that person lynched. I wasnt surprised rayn was killed. I town read him hard. I agreed with most of his reads. In a world where I am scum this game I dont kill Rayn, I am not going to kill the only person that is town reading me this game. It would be suicide for me. Killing rayn takes pressure off of the people he was scum reading and lets them put pressure on me. They want this mislynch on me it gets them to lylo. Conclusion: Onegu really posts confused things. Or he's mafia with GB and tries to push us all to hopeless, cause otherwise I can't explain why he's so hung up on rayn's reads when he misses or disregards the fattest of them. | ||
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On October 30 2015 02:20 Chromatically wrote: Which of his reads did you agree with? Come on, it's in his filter. Obviously he agrees with rayn on Xata and hopeless. Disagrees on GB and BH. Interestingly GB is on his lynch and so is BH, people he isn't scumreading and who were in rayn's case. Not sure actually if rayn was still thinking of Xata being scum before he died. He's kinda ignoring two guys who want to lynch him and who rayn scumread? Then I'd like to know his own reasoning for the reads. | ||
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Dropped a vote on hopeless and went to bed thinking "one for the team". | ||
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That you just flail around lynches without wanting one, basically. | ||
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On October 30 2015 03:06 gumshoe wrote: Still, you know chrom is town, you know hes up to something, dont swoop in with your "cmon mans you should know this" just because you disagree about how relevant onegus answer will be. I didn't see a trap there, I saw that Onegu would most likely reply according to what's compatible with his stated reads. Not really a scum catcher imo. So I thought that Chrom simply didn't read his filter previously to asking that. | ||
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On October 30 2015 03:32 gumshoe wrote: Why cant a townie be indecisive about a lynch? Also sometimes the person you want lynched is already being pushed by someone else and you dont see a reason to not just piggy back off them. Not saying bh hasnt wanted a lynch(been a bit since I look at his filter) just that if hes preferred to pick and choose from the cases presented that in no way makes him scum. See how I swooped in and answered a question meant for someone else thereby potentially cheating you information you desire? Not cool is it? I don't see why BH (or Onegu) wouldn't answer a question just cause you did. | ||
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On October 30 2015 04:54 Chromatically wrote: Why would we shenanny off of good lynches? For bread and games | ||
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It's just that the dead dudes knew me well enough to know I wasn't mafia from the get go. When GB thought the exact opposite all game long in a pretty lame way. | ||
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On October 30 2015 06:20 ritoky wrote: that conclusion has got me wondering if i just wanna yolo on me being a donkey all game It should get you wondering if you aren't yoloing on being a donkey making that conclusion. | ||
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On October 30 2015 06:35 gumshoe wrote: Dont even sweat it man, I am the lord of tinfoil, but yeah best way to lose this game is to start pointing the finger at people who have been super duper active and as helpful as they can be with no blue aid whatsoever / the lack of fluff and mechanics may be why your reading certain filter as somewhat vapid.) You will have to fight for that title, kiddo | ||
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At BH and ritoky mostly. | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:01 Chromatically wrote: Whew, now we can just lynch 100% mafia gumshoe next and win wat | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:05 gumshoe wrote: The only reason hopeless votes gb there is to save onegu, why is gb not scum as well? Because then hopeless just votes onegu and looks waaay less fishy. so yeah, third scum is still out there boys. Super flawed logic cause at the time he voted he couldn't foresee anyone switching and he made it 5 4 And if he pops up to ninjavote just to bus when Onegu has a majority he's screwed anyway, nobody would buy it from him given how he's playing. | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:09 Blazinghand wrote: Again, it doesn't necessarily make GB town, but we need to lynch H1 anyways and we might as well go for him first. It just means there's a way that the voting allows GB to be town, does that make sense? No you just said GB claimed scum. | ||
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In a townie way. Or maybe I'm falling for his angry puppy eyes. | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote: they make you swoon in all the right places don't they? No it makes me imagine Bambi wielding a machete | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:22 GlowingBear wrote: It's so frustrating when you've caught obvious scum and people can't use their brains... I'll consult the tinfoil on gumshoe these days. But given the reads from NKd dudes it's really unlikely. | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:24 gumshoe wrote: I mean, I could write up a whole case, but dis should be enough. Basically hands in the cookie jar / : Cause I pursue the lynch I've wanted since D1? The guy rayn and marv were scumreading? Who brags about "catching" the only guy he could ever manage to lynch in his position? kiddo indeed | ||
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On October 30 2015 08:16 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah it will be super worthwhile to go through 1gu's filter and see what he said (especially for speculation bout nks) and what people said about him, too I reccommend his d1 list post, most reads there seem rather accurate, so he might have gone for early bussing | ||
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I was assuming his posting style made him town all game long but given that 2 mafia are planning the endgame now and he has started to doing all sorts of shady shit, I'm reevaluating. Take a look at this post, it's from D1. When you look at the votecounts in question you will notice that nobody ever had a chance to kill Onegu cause marv and rayn were both on the slam wagon with huge support from others. Point I'm making is that this read is weird given the information we have now, and suggests gumshoe had knowledge of how to read people around Onegu's alignment. Another example: When he went all nuts and Chrom-defender after I told Chrom that if he wanted Onegu's reads he could simply look them up. On October 24 2015 11:15 gumshoe wrote: Ritoky's switch onto Onegu last second makes very little sense as scum, if Onegu is town and gets bussed last sec, Ritoky looks terrible. If Onegue is scum, he just helped kill his teamate 0_0 seems like a dumb and unnecessary risk when town is already fixated on slam. It's possible Ritoky was super confident Bh's lynch wouldn't go through, but then why bother at all? Just to distance himself from the slam lynch? Could backfire huge if Onegu actually did get lynched (would look like a last second buss off of Ritoky's buddy slam) As you will soon see, neither was ritoky's switch "last second" (it happened 12 min prior lynch), nor does it make sense for gumshoe to make the assumption that ritoky is town cause if Onegu was town ritoky would look terrible. And I think this is a nail in the coffin type of argument already, cause now I'm explaining it like you're 12. First of all, he's exaggerating the weight of what ritoky really did: Last second switch, killig Onegu when the majority was on Slam all the time and didn't have any intention to switch. Second, he's making this argument in which he spews Onegu's alignment (and ritoky's with the entire post). Second, he's using this logic: "Since ritoky would look terrible if Onegu flipped town, he is town". at a time where he couldn't possibly be certain on Onegu's alignment, and also wasn't in his scumreads posts. He literally assumed 100 % that Onegu was mafia when making this post. Here the relevant votes, for display: + Show Spoiler + On October 24 2015 05:30 Rels wrote: Day 1 Vote Count Alakaslam (9): raynpelikoneet (4): Vivax (0): ritoky (0): GlowingBear (0): Chromatically (0): Onegu (0): Hopeless1der (0): marvellosity (0): Xatalos (0): Looks like it's time to sack Alakaslam for being a traitor! Day 1 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00). The quality control list is here. The automated list counter is here. Only votes on this list will be counted. Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. On October 24 2015 05:45 Blazinghand wrote: ##unvote ##vote Onegu On October 24 2015 05:47 Xatalos wrote: ##Vote Onegu On October 24 2015 05:48 ritoky wrote: ##unvote ##vote Onegu On October 24 2015 06:03 Rels wrote: Final Day 1 Vote Count Alakaslam (8): raynpelikoneet (3): Onegu (2): ritoky (0): GlowingBear (0): Chromatically (0): Vivax (0): Hopeless1der (0): marvellosity (0): Xatalos (0): We have discovered Alakaslam to be a chocolate saboteur! | ||
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On October 30 2015 09:28 gumshoe wrote: I did say please first : P unnecessary hostility aside, I would totes lynch vivax before him. Ahhh that's the plan. Tough luck cause we'll just scrap the puppy eyes, sheep marv and rayn post death, and lynch a guy who only started posting 1h before deadline probably bussing his entire team. And then you can try to win solo. | ||
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On October 30 2015 19:25 ritoky wrote: i just stopped by cuz kid in middle of night. didn't really read much of what you posted there vivax cuz i don't trust my reading comprehension atm. generally speaking you have made your way to the middle/lower end of my PoE because 1) your game investment and investment in the last lynch feels like it has gone down over time 2) you didn't lynch mafia 3) your tinfoil/crackpot theories have felt contained/not committed to. a lot of that is my perception of you over the course of the game, but something about perception, reality, and their relationship. I tinfoil when I feel it's necessary, sometimes only late in the game, you should know that from Guardians of the Galaxy when I only scumread universally townread Toad the night I got killed. My game investment is as high as it can be when my mafia meta is to have large posting gaps during a day. I feel I have been posting very consistently during the day. And if you base your game around who lynches mafia and who doesn't without looking at it in detail you don't know how this game works. And I also feel you should know your place when marv, rayn and yamato all TR me throughout their lives, people I've been playing with for several years. Cause not only are they confirmed town, they're also not as new around here as you are and I figure that their reads are worth more than yours. This is probably going to kinda piss you off but it's how it is. I keep reading their filters as well. | ||
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On October 30 2015 22:24 Xatalos wrote: Tbh it's a bit hard to see Vivax playing so actively as scum, but it would explain well all the scumsiding (especially the recent Onegu saving attempt and now pushing gumshoe...). What scumsidimg exactly? I was at best scumsiding if gb is town and even then im not the only dude who was votinng gb. im on phone so ill be more extensive later. i think that if im right on gumshoe ill find more exples of tmi. | ||
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You will have to agree with me that pushing a guy I wanted lynch on D1 already doesn't exactly fit the mafia profile. It can but it doesn't have to. So it's no argument. | ||
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Or we'd be stupid for not both being on the bus Don't get me even started on the GB and me scenario cause that's just super idiotic. On October 30 2015 22:21 Chromatically wrote: I don't see what's wrong with his logic? I don't see how he assumed that Onegu was mafia during his post. He says if Onegu is mafia, then ritoky can't be mafia, and if Onegu is town, then ritoky can't be mafia either, therefore ritoky is town. Maybe he's exaggerating/giving too much weight to the argument, but I don't see how it's scummy. He's reading way too much into that to be townie. And the focus on Onegu. If he was stuck on voting Slam like he was without partaking in shenannies like ritoky, then why is it one of his first thoughts to analyse ritoky's alignment BASED on Onegu's alignment? The point is that as mafia you have a different type of attention to things. Like Onegu slipping that Slam was town when he said "the best marv has is a lynch on Slam" and then ends up TRing marv. Both flipped townies (you gotta work with that not with the conspiracies around my alignment depending on GB's). I think that in that post gumshoe said something mafia would say, since he resorted to analysing the action of a guy I'm assuming to be town (ritoky) using a now flipped mafia as the person that made a difference in reading ritoky. And that happened when in the posts previous to those posts, he wasn't pushing for an Onegu lynch, he was pushing for hopeless and yamato. If you go back a little more you find what he was actually saying about 1gu: + Show Spoiler + id get behind an onegu lynch to spare slam and rayn, also in these posts he calls hopeless and ritoky scum for super vauge reasons. Found this kinda townie when I saw it? more to do with my fantasy mafia team than anything else but the reads were so weak they might not actually count against it. Oh and the nice post above says this: + Show Spoiler + I have considered onegu scummy all game based off his lacklustre play. Never once have I town read him | ||
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Why so mad gumshoe? | ||
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His case is already pretty good in itself now that I am open to the idea of gum being mafia. I'll just sheep GB's case and keep being convinced that gum read ritoky as town ONLY cause he shenannied onto gum's partner. Yes. | ||
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On October 31 2015 01:07 gumshoe wrote: Cause I hate it when I get it mislynched because townies dont understand the way I think and cant actually think themselves T_T My ratio of getting mislynched day 1 or 2 to total games played is pretty up there, so this is triggering some pretty heavy nam flashbacks That and I detest retarded logic, especially when its directed at me. Oh and yeah, what do you think of chrom? Stop dodging me dodgevax : P There's no townies pushing you as mafia in your world (only me and GB, your scumreads rite?) so this sounds pretty odd. And I'd answer about Chrom if I got to it, he's still the guy I suspect to be the most capable mafia in here. I'm undecided , 2 paranoid. | ||
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On October 31 2015 01:31 Xatalos wrote: Well assuming GB is scum and you're town, you're pretty heavily scumsiding by pushing gumshoe recently... "assuming" | ||
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So I'ma just vote hopeless and he can see who doesn't want to. I'll give him one lynch that isn't me or GB. A lynch he must want cause it's GB OR me but for sure it's hopeless (in his world). | ||
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Literally what mafia wants, being able to measure townieness by cred instead of play, cause it's easier to get cred from a simple vote than play like you aren't mafia. | ||
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The bolded was crossed out / ; its like he wanted to write a super vague post but thought better of it to avoid being obvious, not sure why he made it clear though -_- Yes when I want to make something not obvious I'll just cross it out and make it obvious. | ||
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Look if you wanna play like a mad rager I'm not the one who's going to reciprocate that, it's a waste of time. | ||
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On October 31 2015 04:49 gumshoe wrote: So leave scum, I will try to turn anything and everything you say against you because you are scum, and I expect you to do the same to me because you are scum. If your not up for that you dont have to play / ; just go afk like hopeless, well get around to you eventually. Also It's not nice when someone controls fs you out of context is it? But yeah seriously you've been keeping bh on the back burner all game, that's not slander, theres at least a dozen qoutes to prove it, you just read them. Its fact / : To start with one of the quotes is about GB and not BH. To end with I always suspect a ton of people. It's meta, not the scum one. I'm trying to get around the idea you're just a townie being a dick who likes to pick fights cause his time isn't worth much so he likes to waste it fighting instead of hunting scum. I'm not biting your hook. You can go for another wank or something, get rid of your excessive energy. | ||
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Either way it's going to be the hopeless/me/GB combo being lynched so either we win or we lose to scum cause the remaining townies don't know how to tinfoil instead of circlejerking about a common opinion. | ||
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So he can lynch him and if he flips town he actually gets to apply it. And BEFORE we tinfoil we can actually find out if it's worth tinfoiling, that's when GB flips mafia. | ||
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Still, I have no idea why I'm mafia besides the meta case. Can anyone elaborate on this? Yes you're also mafia for what 2-3 NKd dudes said. For your freaky read on me on D1, which you told marv and others was so bad you couldn't be mafia cause 2bad4scum. And this too, at that given time: On October 24 2015 04:08 Vivax wrote: I can sum up GB like this: Spends like a page of filter talking about me, the argument switch thingy, then moans and bitches about Onegu not being scumread over him, some emotional outburst here and there, after bitching about Onegu he pops a vote on BH for reasons I don't really understand (then BH comes in and is BFF with GB no questions asked but whatever, that's a thing apart), then he suddenly feels enlightened and makes public he was doing a shitty push after asking some really weird questions I don't understand the point of up to this point, and then unvotes and kinda afks. Then you tried to capitalize on town short term memory as you do today when you only post shortly before lynch, throwing a tantrum and trying to show effort last minute. | ||
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There was no real interaction between them before he decided my case was good and no tral interaction before he decided gumshoe was town again and I was mafia. He's most likely to be mafia after all. The interaction was that he was throwing scum at me out of nowhere right the moment 1gu got lynched, and I suspected him cause of it, went into his filter which I didn't really bother with up until that point cause I assumed he was town for his wall of text style. Then I posted my own opinion (which was heated), and just after I started considering your case as having any value before the notion came to me that gumshoe was just being a dick for its own sake and just decided to ignore any attempts at direct conversation. And now if you die and flip town, that should be exactly what you want cause it would make it clear to everyone if you were mafia with 1gu or not, which would throw an entirely different light at my actions depending on the outcome (which is in my interest since a lot of accusations against me build on you being town, which gumshoe and maybe someone else have been pushing). So for the off chance your teammate isn't just hopeless, your lynch will clear if mafia is surfing on cred or not. And if you're town I'll gladly defend myself against the fallout from that revelation the day after, cause then either me or hopeless will get lynched as a result. | ||
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it would force us to totally reevaluate, whereas a gb or vivax lynch would just have us staying the course. This is totally idiotic | ||
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On November 02 2015 01:55 gumshoe wrote: Are you claiming to be scum with gb now? Please tell me how likely that is, please do. You are not likely scum with gb, so if only one of you is scum, and hopeless is town, that means theres a scummer riding off lynch cred -_- as you say. Wheres the problem with what I'm saying? I actually totally agree though, it is idiotic, which is why we should just lynch hopeless instead of digging into the tinfoil cause hopeless is just scum, The problem is that if you keep one of me or GB alive, and hopeless is indeed town, tomorrow you have groundhog day again with me and GB which is not what you want with only 1 lynch left. And I want to know how the wagons were on D3. Which you should also want but don't for some reason. | ||
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If he's town you can use it against me tomorrow, so let him flip! | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:05 gumshoe wrote: I want to lynch scum, ether of you two could be town, I am going after the one person I know is almost certain to be scum so that I leave the remaining scummer as little wiggle room as possible, whoever that may be. I am doing this to delay my own gratification because I know a lynch on you probably wouldn't happen today(I would also feel really fucking bad if your actually town), and even though a green flip on Gb would feel fucking great, it's not worth going into lylo with 2 scum. Also your a goddamn genius Why do you keep saying either of us can be town yet you clearly seem to have GB as town and me as mafia? | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:13 gumshoe wrote: See, I read gb as a pretty emotional player, I cant see him doing that when his own team is bussing him in such a derpy fashion when it was all likely for not / : I've read his scum games, hes not that good an actor, show me one time he was in such a situation and he had the balls to attack the guy he had the best shot of convincing with a case that big. If you can demonstrate capacity, I'll concede, but otherwise his scum play this game is an anomaly, that and as much you might hate to admit, the derpiest player is usually town, does that suck? Yes, but that doesn't make it less true / : When has his team bussing him? I'm only aware of Onegu and hopeless in your current roster of scumreads. Onegu didn't bus him. Hopeless might have bussed him in the Onegu vs GB situation, but otherwise he only followed main wagons the previous days. And I can't be scum with him, so you say. So gumshoe, who has been bussing GB? | ||
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Emotional player, meta shown by Chromatically to be the case as both alignments before he dies. But he hasn't been emotional in this game when his team was bussing him in a derpy fashion? | ||
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I have a preference on who to lynch first and that for good reasons I explained. It's not "shit" if I get to discuss that with BH after noting that he isn't interested in doing that. | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:35 gumshoe wrote: in gbs state, I dont think he would honestly put the effort in to do the latter(especially given the case he brought up) if his team was bussing him and all of town pretty much wanted him dead. On November 02 2015 02:16 Vivax wrote: When has his team bussing him? I'm only aware of Onegu and hopeless in your current roster of scumreads. Onegu didn't bus him. Hopeless might have bussed him in the Onegu vs GB situation, but otherwise he only followed main wagons the previous days. And I can't be scum with him, so you say. So gumshoe, who has been bussing GB? | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:37 gumshoe wrote: You've been trying to find dirt on bh all game. It's not happening, it's not gonna work, stahp. It's only dirt cause you like to think it is, but it's just me observing that he doesn't have a preference on GB hopeless and I want him to have one and am working for it and you put things into my mouth saying I want to "throw dirt" at him. | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:45 gumshoe wrote: gb is just asking us to take him seriously when hes dead, you on the other hand are actively asserting that YES precisely, I'm playing and he's just lurking throwing a few cases in between but never just sticking around or encouraging any discussion beyond his justification for a vote. Like if he wants to die he can vote for himself, but it's obviously just his emo defense that you find so convincing, so he won't. | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:05 gumshoe wrote: I'm sorry ) : your right I do owe you one, if you really really really wanna kill gb I wont oppose it ok? It's just not the optimal move ) : also if the team could BE something with ritoky, wouldnt kit be better to know now before lylo? Gb's kill doesn't tell us anything about that T_T Yes ritoky should be here choosing the guy to vote. It makes me uncomfortable he's afk since he proclamed himself conf town. | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:11 gumshoe wrote: Would you stahp trying this shit? Godammit XD stick to two scum reads and stop spamming paranoia in thread. Why, are you 100 % sure beyond a doubt that ritoky is town? | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:16 gumshoe wrote: In the past day and night vivax has crumbed against me, ritoky, bh, chrom, vivax do you even have town reads this game? Chrom since his GB meta research and case, probably BH. Everyone else I keep considering to be possible, you too. | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:19 gumshoe wrote: if we lynch gb and hes scum, we probally just lynch hopeless and then vivax the following day anyways, nothing really changes, if we lynch gb and hes town, same story, we dont alter course If we lynch hopeless and hes scum, again, we stay the course if we lynch hopeless and hes town, that means ethier way we have a complex bus between vivax and gb, or someone in the town circle is scum. Basically we have 4 outcomes, and only one of them has us changing course / : the only information that matters is the one you have to act on, therefore if you lynch for info, hopeless is the superior choice. YOU KEPT SAYING ONE OF US ISN'T MAFIA. Now you wanna lynch me even if GB flips scum? | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:22 gumshoe wrote: Fair enough : D btw if you actually did this your a godamm mastermind : P setting up town to be biased against pants on head townies from day 1 through a joke. Goddamn brilliant. No the pants on head guy was GB when he started his D1 with scumreading me, and then whined about being scumread cause he was "too pants on head" to be scum, precisely. Point I've made during D1 already. | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:23 Blazinghand wrote: I've been super duper clear on this repeatedly, said it so many times I'm kinda amazed you're confused, but even if I hadn't made it clear earlier: I'm voting GB and said "H1 is also acceptable" and I did this like 2 minute sinto the day. get your head in the game boyo I've read that but it's no explicit preference for GB, it's just you voting him first while having a "meh,whatever" attitude. | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:27 Blazinghand wrote: all this is doing is making me vaguely nervous that you're actually scum. get to the point Read my posts about why I wanna lynch GB first, which I made right before upsetting you so gravely with those posts of mine, and tell me if you're convinced would be a start. Or think of something that makes 1 lynch better, information wise or otherwise. Why? Cause I want to kill GB and like to know who's on the stable train of killing him. | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:28 GlowingBear wrote: Hopeless is always a question mark. If you can afford a second mislynch (after I die), go for hopeless. If not, then go for Vivax which I think is way scummier. Wtf is that weird conditional? If you're town and die, tomorrow it's lylo right? So you should only be considering one scenario. | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:33 GlowingBear wrote: I don't know if tomorroe is LYLO, I'm too lazy to do maths. And you felt less lazy in the other running game considering I was checking when you were rather posting there than here. Matter I'm allowed to talk about cause that game is over. | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:38 GlowingBear wrote: HAHAHA the game where people were acumreading me until LYLO because I was useless. GJ Vivax. And if you really doubt hopeless won't flip scum you should be voting him since you thought I could be town a few hours ago when I made my case on gumshoe. You're clearly mafia and it amuses me people can't see. Yet knowing you were town (?) you made cases on people on your own wagon around the time of the Onegu lynch. Did the thought never occur to you that you might have been the counterwagon of mafia? No? Why not? Point made by I think Chrom around that time. | ||
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Yet knowing you were town (?) you made cases on people on your own wagon around the time of the Onegu lynch. With this I mean, on people who at the time were voting with you against Onegu. | ||
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On October 28 2015 14:10 ritoky wrote: also "could never be gb and vivax". no. let me tell you a story of a game of mafia where gb, damdred, and i rolled mafia. gb makes the first post "OMG I LOVE U GUYS, LET'S ALL BUS THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF EACHOTHER! GOIN FOR DAMDRED!" to which me and damdred also agree and bus the living fuck out of eachother and roflstomp the game. that was a fun game. it's not exactly probable but it is possible. This doesn't make it sound like you would believe your own argument that you would never possibly have bussed all your teammates. But let's see GB's alignment. | ||
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Cause it isn't me. | ||
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Hopeless might very well be lynched b4 me but the other just lays low and keeps lynching. | ||
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Also that means Chroma was town hero with his D1 reads. I'll talk about it with people who are open to the idea. | ||
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Read page 11 and previously to see that. | ||
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I think you will realize who's mafia instead of me at the end of this game after looking at the night actions gum. Provided you manage to get over your stubbornness. | ||
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And I think the guy who profited a lot from that lynch was ritoky, even though his filter is really lackluster oterhwise. | ||
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On November 03 2015 02:29 gumshoe wrote: not really talking to you : P more to the thread, also your smart enough to know that the whole "LOL I KNOW IM TOWN THEREFORE YOUR WRONG" argument is by far one of the weakest one can throw out -_- I'm town therefore Onegu got bussed, that's my argument. You playing twister? | ||
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Your role on day 3 (convincing a townie to switch onto a mislynch) alone makes it likely your scum. By that logic Chrom should also be scum. Only difference is he switched to 1gu | ||
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On November 03 2015 02:54 Blazinghand wrote: Like from my point of view although I was fine with the gb lynch, I spent a lot of effort trying to get people not to bail from the Onegu lynch and to get people to join it. Ritoky has a ton of "plausible deniability" about not being persuaded by the words of me and various other pro-lynch-onegu people. I guess what I'm getting at is, if Ritoky is scum, why take this leap and get onto Onegu? I get that it makes him look townie, but there's a REASON it makes him look townie, and that's that it's a bad move for scum to make. It's not just a bus, it's a bus that basically took Onegu from not being lynched to be ing lynched, if you think this is what happened. It's clear when you compare what he does (= vote Onegu) with what he actually has been propagating previous to getting the advantage with that lynch (=everyone xcept 1gu mafia). On October 30 2015 05:35 ritoky wrote: so let's assume for a moment i am a GOD and completely right about onegu town and gb mafia. that means we have a very even wagon between a town and a mafia. hopeless (resident lurker) comes into the thread, says some blah blah blah, and votes on the mafia in a town vs mafia situation. this almost always confirms hopeless......which would mean 2 mafia are outside the PoE if GB is mafia and onegu is town... is that a world i want to believe in....ugh, fuck you brain for thinking. On October 30 2015 05:37 ritoky wrote: because i think 1gu wouldn't kill people he enjoys playing with unless forced to, and i also don't think he kills some1 in support of him who is not being universally TR. you can think it's shit, but won't change my mind. On October 30 2015 06:16 ritoky wrote: i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia. onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu gb/x/x most likely if gb. Then he votes Onegu full out yolo mode against all his opinions. From a point of view of a h1/1gu/ritoky team they're obviously going to give the burden of carrying the game to ritoky, or he's going to take it. For that he needs a bag of cred he gets with his town hero play. | ||
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Hopefully it gives us one extra day to figure this out. | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:03 Vivax wrote: BH screw you | ||
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On November 03 2015 08:12 Hopeless1der wrote: and yet i wasnt lynched yesterday. Im honestly confused. Gum ur pardner? | ||
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(with backthoughts I might as well just be wrong again) LIKE, the guy with hopeless is a massive snake of a scum player. | ||
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But if you're going to lynch me tomorrow, you can do it today and end the game earlier with a scum victory. I'm not going to vote myself for wincon reasons but you should if you aren't prone to believe into me being townie. Else all the hopeless lynch will do is delay this by another cycle, and I'm tired of this game. I don't believe the other 2 townies will change their mind. | ||
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But first I need to decide who's the remaining mafia and it's tough. I might get back to chrom again just for the belief that not ALL my reads were wrong. Past days I felt really defeated by the last mafia cause he's playing so well and after pinging at gumshoe I started doubting I would be able to ping him at all, but today I passed my assessment with 8/9 pts and I'm going to at least TRY to kick the last mafia's ass after I'm done drinking with my fellow students. See you tomorrow for a maximum difficulty lylo fellas. | ||
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YES IT MATTERS BH. And btw BH I medic dodged in that game and my team was oks with it, I didn't just send the NKs in over their heads. That's one of the worst examples of meta I've seen. Like, what's the point there? Proving I'm scum cause the NKs in this game are in some sort of way "weird"? No they're not weird at all, the first two guys who got killed in this game had me as town and GB/maybe Chrom/maybe gumshoe as scumreads. It's hilarious that those very same dudes who managed to read me on effort and strongheadedness (or w/e it's called) alone (cause that's an actually good metaread) would be on my hitlist D1 and GB nowhere near it with his apparently so great reads. | ||
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Why do you have to look at each other and comment on that? Cause I got no real slamdunk idea on who is scum right now and I need help from volunteers. I can't solve this game alone, I've been just feeling outplayed for days and I'm paranoid about all of you. | ||
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At best the ritoky NK was weird cause he really quit playing the game altogether since the Onegu kill and all he did was keep spamming how confirmed he was. And besides I really wanted to lynch him so the NK felt to me like "nope, wrong again bro" and I just wanted to bite my own ass at that point. I don't even know where to start looking for the last mafia and I will do it tomorrow anyway, sober. One important point is that it's probably the guy who was most right and survived the longest, still. Bolded for importance. We're looking for someone who was more right and more townie than marv or rayn since the game started, probably included scum in his lists but always pursued somebody else until he had to vote them, and who has always been buddy buddy with the other two townies. | ||
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I don't know how many lylos you played but it's usually where you want to have different camps and not just one. For example we have 3 players right now, 1 mafia among them, and me being an uncontested lynch. We need an advocatus diaboli to make this two sided, cause the game isn't over and you should still go over it. I wouldn't even be writing all this if I weren't a mislynch. But little can I do if the 2 remaining townies and the mafia keep repeating how they won't change their mind. If you're good at this game and also know you can be wrong, you would have to help me make this a day where decisions are actually being made and not just followed through with. | ||
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This was written when Slam had 5 votes on him after gumshoe posted an initial team of Xata/hopeless/Onegu. He was indeed town jesus! Yet starting from these reads he kept changing them for strange reason and based on what others said. On October 24 2015 00:42 gumshoe wrote: Basically the people I would want to see lynched Onegu-hopeless (both are interchangeably useless to me) yamato-gb (these two are a matching pair, yamatos read on him was felt so accurate he is ether just right and awesome, or mafia taking advantage of gb being wrong about vivax) probably wouldn't vote for anyone else outside these 4. On October 24 2015 04:27 gumshoe wrote: Onegu might be town, hes very soft in pushing his reads but we agree on several accounts. Gonna unvote. Chrom feels pretty active/emotional, dont wanna lynch him. Rayn strikes me as sincere but misguided, exactly how I would imagine a townie. We have expectations of veteran players, but truth is bieng right from the get go in a game of mafia can be more about luck than anything else. So no, I wont vote him today. Slam is playing too sensible, dont wanna discourage this by killing him. gb is town, unless hes scum with slam his reactions plus the way he protected him take him totally off my list. I kind of need yam to answer mah questions before I can say anything else. Today I'd be willing to lynch Ritoky, who has totally disappeared and needs to be on more peoples radar. 20 hours as of right now since he last posted. Hopeless is also a target, but everyone seems to magically think hes town so I guess he gets a pass. On October 24 2015 02:55 Onegu wrote: So after catching up. Marv is more active but still useless... Like really the best a town marv has is pushing a slam lynch. I guess he pushes GB. Hrmmm guess that is alot more than his last few games. I think gumshoe is falling into the onegu rule. Rayn is like 90% of his town meta. Yamato did some stuff looked townie. GB rolled my RnG. Havent seen BH again since the start. IIRC he had some reads other than his RnG lynch. Townish I think. Hopeless said he was going to lynch me for being useless I told him good luck, he didnt bite at the bait. Not looking good. IE rels in rayns game. I have forever given up on attempting to read slam. Would lynch or wouldnt lynch. Not really top priority. Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one. UMMM... Who else.... Oh chrome completely forgettable. Scum read. Vivax will trust yamato's read on him for now. Ummm..... No more Mabs or Town! since my rant post it must have worked. Damn I am good at this game. You all call me useless but then you all know my reads are normally right on. Unless they are completely wrong. It is never a mix of right and wrong. And I am more right than wrong. On October 24 2015 02:57 Onegu wrote: Ritoky... No read. Must be scum because I forgot about him. Now you can just compare reads to see if what gum was saying was truthful... GB and yamato Rngd and townread by Onegu, so gumshoe couldn't agree with it. Gumshoe himself falling under the 1gu rule and not ask him wtf that means, also agreeing with that. And Xatalos 100 % town, who was one of gum's initial scumreads. So I assume this was gum early bussing his really useless mafia partners, then changing his mind when rayn and marv pushed for the slam lynch and GB made his dumb push on me. | ||
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Proposed shenannies on 1gu on D1 and on hopeless D2. And Chrom obviously is a decent town but not really town jesus. On October 25 2015 05:27 Chromatically wrote: I guess here's my basic idea right now: Xatalos gumshoe ritoky yamato marv Vivax BH Hopeless Onegu rayn GB I feel pretty confident the top group is town, and I wanted to put rayn in the bottom group on feel but I haven't looked into it enough to feel comfortable saying that right at this moment. Been spending my time mostly on GB. So you are 3 dudes who got all the right scumreads and still survived over ritoky and Xata. You are all alive cause you look damn similar, if somebody can find mafia it's much easier from your position than from mine. I am quite the underdog just cause I've been wrong on so many things that you can't believe that I wouldn't try to gain an advantage in any way from my knowledge of the game. | ||
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On November 07 2015 02:28 Chromatically wrote: Vivax, what's your order of who you think is the most to least scummy right now? I think you all played this game similarly, you probably the least, being one of those who pushed GB with quite the effort. I'd put you into the towniest spot tentatively, BH in the middle and gumshoe as the scummiest. That might change upon reread. question vivax, do you think the no shot was the best choice for today? It's an odd question since everyone agreed it was. It just makes it harder for everyone to figure out the last maf, so yes, it was the best choice. | ||
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He always stuck out to me early on, but he's putting in short bursts of effort that look pretty good, mostly, That's what made me change my mind from time to time. And when I read 1gu's filter I don't see a read on Chrom, methinks. These are his last few reads. And I doubt that he was bussing a mafia who was playing so well so I suppose BH isn't it. Gum could be, or Chrom. On October 26 2015 23:59 Onegu wrote: Hopeless. BH. Ritoky. I also dont like xata. I thought gumshoe was mafia for a while but he looks much better now. | ||
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Easy decision for mafia: Don't shoot anyone, keep 2 allies and a mislynch. Your gloom and doom point is irrelevant cause I play the game without many excuses really. I was just telling you how I felt. How do you feel after pushing a lynch on the wrong guy? | ||
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Gumshoe kept doing his thing of just talking down what I say as much as he can but in today's context it feels townish. I think he talks a lot of crap but it could be townie crap, especially cause it's a lot. Chrom is probably the most considerate of them all given he actually reads gumshoe as an alternative. Yeah, it could easily be BH, just based on lylo analysis. I'ma try to convince you if I find more but in case I don't manage I hope I'm right for a minimum of postgame cred x) | ||
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If 2 townies want to lynch me and never think about changing their mind then I can't do anything. | ||
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On November 08 2015 05:34 gumshoe wrote: not fair, I've replied to everything / : you just don't have very good points. No shame in losing to a good mafia. I'm never sure who it is, still. | ||
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Based on the entire game I probably can't tell. | ||
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On November 08 2015 06:12 Chromatically wrote: If it's not Vivax, I think it's BH because gumshoe is town. He's played it so so well if he is though. He's certainly the guy who stuck out the most passionate about the 1gu lynch, so yes, if it is him he played really well, and also managed to sneak in a few jokes. Gonna vote him and then look a bit through his filter again, maybe 1gus or hopeless too. | ||
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Seems like the same mistake I pointed out where 1 gu spewed slam as a bad lynch on D1 in order to read marv. He tends to grab chunks of his perfect information to create reads. On October 26 2015 14:27 Onegu wrote: Ok I take back my read on Gumshoe. He looks really townie now. I think I like a hopeless lynch at this point. He is just lurking which is with the way the thread was and has been imploding I cant shake the feeling there is at least 1 scum in the lurkers if not 2 or even 3. Plus I did a test for him and he failed it hard. He said he would vote me if I did nothing and I basically told him I look forward to it and he did nothing about it. There are a few other things like his votes and reasons. I will go more into it tomorrow. Ritoky could also easily be mafia as a lurker, plus his thing following his towniest read and that read was BH. Ill get into more details tomorrow. But for now. ##Vote: Hopeless | ||
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he's clearly flailing looking for ANYONE to call scum and ANYTHING that can stick. Which you say nobody would do as town on the chopping block at lylo? I care about lynching someone else cause I know I'm the wrong lynch. | ||
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Chrom is actually still trying to think this through whereas BH just sits around praising himself and gum supporting that play all the time, but BH didn't really try to think through things during the day. Or to talk to me. Gum prolly just thinking BH is his best friend but only one of them wins the game today. Or maybe it's gum and it's the other way around. My reads sucked, so I'm not confident. | ||
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Gum and BH seemed like they would never lynch each other, plus gum was in an endless tunnel and the first to start this idea that I'm mafia. So it was gg there already. Chrom showed some good will to solve a lylo though. | ||
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On October 28 2015 07:30 Blazinghand wrote: I can't imagine any reason to silence rayn, except perhaps to make town operate a bit more smoothly on its current path xd | ||
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