[M][N] Mini Mafia: The (kinda) Vanilla Experience

On October 20 2015 06:53 Xatalos wrote:
##teamvanilla

(I'd prefer if the start date wasn't before Wednesday though)

On October 23 2015 04:38 gumshoe wrote:
People I'm willing to lynch today.

Xata- as said before, looks like hes posting alot but isnt actually saying much of substance, worse yet he talked alot about stuff that didnt really matter at all (simulating a true rng lynch, trolling rayn, how he waffles days one me) but yeah he hasnt come back yet so probs need to hear more.

Hopeless- definition of worthless, but I'm not sure if mafia would actually be comfortable joining an active thread to contribute naught but dank memes.

onegu- "So I am debating on if I want to try this game or just troll..." as a player who has been absolutely shit and lazy as both mafia and town I'm well aware of the terrible impact such a player can have on a game. If they are not lynched quickly they become a huge distraction that cant particularly be read into cause they're shit and lazy. Mafia players can and have used the whole "hes so bad, there's no way hes mafia" meta plenty so if Onegu insists on being scummy then we should oblige him provided there isn't a better alternative.

People I'm mixed on

Bh: His original Rng post set me off a bit, but without writing another wot I'll just say that I liked the answers he gave to the questions I asked. If necessary I'll elaborate but for now lets just say his response felt very honest and off the cuff. His defense of Yam could be scummy, if Yam is town Bh might just be setting up for his flip in a very non committal way(asking for time as opposed to outright defending him), but trying to clear space for a townie so that they can talk freely doesnt strike me as bads, unless he thinks yamato plays worse when hes not under pressure / : they could be scumm bros but that would be a bit obvious no?

Chrom: Liked his posts on Ritoky though I still think hes totally wrong. town players have often found that kind of thing (tells early game) scummy, it's happened to me several times before. Reads early game are rarely things of beauty for our hats are often quite puny. An aggressive read like that can also backfire huge, concrete accusations are a great way for mafia to get unnecessary spotlight thrown onto them. So yeah, methinks chroms wrong but not scum. Though he may just be throwing together a convincing tunnel on a fairly inactive player.

The thing where Chrom went back and drew a connection with the picture feels very townie to me though, reminds me of my own happy tunnels, but I doubt the picture actually means much (would be a tad obvious if it did)

Glowing bear- not sure about him, Vivax seems like a weird target for mafia to push but they might not have a really good selection of schlubs to frame. Fun note, Bh, chrom and GB all clearing room for Yamato when he hasn't done much at all? Coincidence? Mabs, mabs not.

Not much else to report, Marv probs town? Someone said(bh I thunk) he'd be pretty shit if hes maf and he doesn't seems shitty so hurrah I suppose.

On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.

On October 23 2015 05:15 Blazinghand wrote:

rayn knows as well as anyone that I hold nothing back as mafia. yes, RNG is literally pro-town, and so it's worse for me to use it as mafia, since it would hurt my team, but... I know people think this. I know this to be true. So as scum, I could use it and be like "hey guys, I'm using a pro-town strat, I must be town". RNG in and of itself is not hard evidence I'm town. Instead, pay attention to what I do with it.



eh, his reasoning on yamato seems very week and echoey. I liked it better when he was being wrong about ritoky. He was bringing his A-game, such as it is, for that.



this is not how you do RNg, this isn't even close to how you do RNG. You are a disgrace to RNG, you have forgotten the face of your father.

On October 23 2015 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I want to lynch you because you refuse to play the game. If you continue to do that i want to lynch you even more. I came here to play mafia, not to play some stupid rng kids game.

At least Blazinghand seems to be starting to play,...

On October 23 2015 05:20 Blazinghand wrote:


Yeah there's no way I'm lynching ritoky unless he goes way downhill. Like, wow, someone actually went and found links and stuff. His presentation gets a D- since he could have like said "Blazinghand has played in the following games and RNGed this many times and these were his alignments" but his research gets an A, and it shows an underlying thought process that almost certainly comes from town.

On October 23 2015 05:23 Blazinghand wrote:


Couid you possibly rephrase this? I'm having trouble getting what you're getting at here. You're just following GB... which you claim to have RNGed.

please advise

On October 23 2015 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
because yamato is town.

On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH?

On October 23 2015 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Onegu i just tell you who to lynch and then you vote for them, right.
I don't have to tell you anything.

On October 23 2015 05:56 Xatalos wrote:


Oh yeah, I'd also like to know how this read came to be btw

On October 23 2015 05:57 Hopeless1der wrote:

Are you trying to get spite lynched? I may not be the most suited to make threats, but if you continue to play up the bravado without contributing I will fully support lynching you.

On October 23 2015 07:07 Vivax wrote:
I should be like super green, I don't know what's wrong with you people.

I'm a tide of open mindedness and emotions with a bastard coating to discern the weak from the strong.

On October 24 2015 01:55 gumshoe wrote:
Can we just collectively agree to pussy out as town and vote for the most objectively useless player?

Onegu, 2015

On October 24 2015 02:53 yamato77 wrote:
hm

slam not a terrible lynch given his insistence on being "unreadable"

I think as town he becomes indignant and actually mad if people try to lynch him, this seems more like a mafia tactic.

I don't necessarily disagree that GB looks better but I'm rather hesitant to sleep on the idea of lynching him entirely.

Rayn is just not mafia here I don't think. Unless he is mafia with marv and they both successfully pocketed me. I doubt this though, because literally everyone thinks I am town now so lol.

I don't really want to lynch Onegu but I admittedly haven't read his probably short filter either.

On October 24 2015 02:59 gumshoe wrote:


Could you elaborate on chrom besides forgettable? It looks as if hes basically your lynch proposal / :

On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?

On October 24 2015 04:23 Xatalos wrote:
Onegu... Are you really sure about your rayn read? Because you said that town rayn "wants you to do more". But here his reactions to you have been basically like "I don't want to talk with you", "shut up and sheep". Is that him wanting you to do more? Well, it's not exactly buddying either, but...

On October 24 2015 04:59 Onegu wrote:
GB he isnt scum and isnt the good lynch today my friend...

On October 24 2015 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am qeffectively quitting this game because this is not fun.

On October 24 2015 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:

doesn't even mater anymore. you are a troll too.

fuck why do i fucking join games with stupid idiots who don't even fucking TRY to play mafia. I am so fucking pissed off. So.. fucking.. pissed.. off.

On October 24 2015 11:15 gumshoe wrote:
Ritoky's switch onto Onegu last second makes very little sense as scum, if Onegu is town and gets bussed last sec, Ritoky looks terrible. If Onegue is scum, he just helped kill his teamate 0_0 seems like a dumb and unnecessary risk when town is already fixated on slam.

It's possible Ritoky was super confident Bh's lynch wouldn't go through, but then why bother at all? Just to distance himself from the slam lynch? Could backfire huge if Onegu actually did get lynched (would look like a last second buss off of Ritoky's buddy slam)

On October 25 2015 05:27 Chromatically wrote:
I guess here's my basic idea right now:

Xatalos
gumshoe
ritoky
yamato
marv
Vivax

BH
Hopeless
Onegu
rayn

GB

I feel pretty confident the top group is town, and I wanted to put rayn in the bottom group on feel but I haven't looked into it enough to feel comfortable saying that right at this moment. Been spending my time mostly on GB.

On October 25 2015 05:56 Xatalos wrote:
I quite disagree with Onegu's post. Enough that I kind of want to include him in a scumteam, and really regret we didn't manage to lynch him yesterday over Slam.

Like Onegu calls a lot of people scum for... basically just for voting for him or even just for suspecting him.

rayn/Onegu for scum.... Probably.

I hope ObsQT won't make me facepalm.

On October 25 2015 05:58 Chromatically wrote:

ritoky is like a very strong feel read now I guess? The way he's joking seems like he's very comfortable in the thread. I agree with what Xatalos said about when he was in the conversation with Xatalos/marv, I liked the stuff he said about marv there a lot. I also liked this post:

because it seems like genuine townie hesitation to commit to a read they're not sure of (easy to just call me mafia or town as mafia).

On October 25 2015 07:28 Xatalos wrote:
Your post also assumes that rayn is town since the shenanigans were clearly threatening rayn's life too.

On October 25 2015 07:48 ritoky wrote:


still limited locations. you shouldn't eat that stuff though, you'll cut 10 years off your life.

#ritokylifeadvice

On October 25 2015 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am being serious here;

I don't want to play when the goes like this:
Xata: "rayn is mafia because X and Y"
rayn: "no, here is explanation for X and Y"
Xata: "hmm okay"
.......
Xata: "rayn is mafia because X and Y"
rayn: "....... dude wtf? if you call me scum call me scum for how my explanation doesn't make sense"
marv: "yeah, rayn is town. Xatalos you're being an idiot"
Xata: "hmm okay"
......
Xata: "rayn is scum for X and Y, also marv is scum"
rayn: "marv is never scum"
marv: "yeah that's quite clear, wtf are you doing Xatalos?"
....
Xata: "hmm rayn is scum for X and Y"

that went on for like 40 pages.
if you can't understand what's wrong here that then you have to be mafia.
so, you are either mafia or effectively throwing the game. so am i, if you are town, but idc.
i literally don't care anymore.

so you can lynch me, i don't care. I am not posting anymore.
But jsut that you know, if you happen to somehow be town here, sometimes you SHOULD listen to people who know better...

On October 25 2015 09:43 Xatalos wrote:
And for the record, I'm still more correct about the game than either rayn or marv until otherwise proven. I was right about Slam, they were wrong. We all thought marv was a decently likely NK hit (although rayn was certain and I kept myself being shot as a reasonable option). Still leaves me more on the side of correct overall.

But that's not really relevant is it....

On October 25 2015 10:43 GlowingBear wrote:
I hardly believe any scum would put so much effort in a case like that on me.

But I'm not scum.

On October 26 2015 01:03 Xatalos wrote:
....... Not sure what to think..... Onegu gave no read on Slam, 90% townread rayn, and ended up voting for rayn ultimately. WTF even happened?

On October 25 2015 23:24 Vivax wrote:
I'm currently staring at something Onegu said about marv:



There is so much TMI in here that I really want to lynch him now.

On October 26 2015 02:05 Xatalos wrote:


May I ask you what were you thinking about Slam at that time?

Though I'm not sure if it's even worth asking at this point......

On October 26 2015 02:08 Xatalos wrote:


Then you voted your 90% townread over a nullread?

And you say I make no sense?

On October 26 2015 02:11 Xatalos wrote:
I don't think some excuse like "RNG sheeping" ultimately matters. What matters is that you voted for someone who you thought was 90% town over someone you had no idea about, according to your own words.

Though that does make me question the rayn/Onegu scumteam, it also makes me question if you could ever think like that as town. The answer is no.

On October 26 2015 02:15 Xatalos wrote:
I mean, it's OK to push for RNG stuff like BH did at the start. It can gather reactions etc. But you voted for your TOWNREAD over your NULLREAD when the vote was in an UNCERTAIN result (meaning your vote could matter) and your only reason was "RNG". I don't buy it.

Regardless of anyone else's alignment, that's just scummy as hell.

On October 26 2015 02:18 Xatalos wrote:


You also didn't explain what makes no sense... Except your own posts I guess....

On October 26 2015 14:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, he hasn't voted or posted in the past like 2 or 3 days, right? Although there's no hard activity requirement in this game, you are required to vote. He may jsut be modkilled. I don't even know why I'm reasoning with you Onegu but, couldn't we just shenannie onto Hopeless if he comes back? cause otherwise we should just let him get MKed

if you do want to actually lynch Hopeless (and I can't tell anything from his filter other than that he seemed vaguely itnerested in the game then never tried and stopped posting) you have to commit to shennannying at the deadline if he's gonna get modkilled, Onegu

The reason I bring this up is because I'm imagining the following situation:

We pull together a wagon on someone and lynch him, and then you never come back all day and hopeless1 gets modkilled, and you do not particupate in the town discourse all day and we don't know anything about you, and you never had to take any stances....

So here's what Iwant from you, 1gu: a commitment to shenannie if Hopeless1 isn't going to get modkill, and you take part in the day's discussions. What do you say?

On October 26 2015 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

can you tell me exactly when this happened?

On October 26 2015 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Onegu this is a really shitty post btw...

On October 26 2015 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:

because you are claiming you know 100% yamato is lying about his irl-stuff (which most likely makes him mafia) but your post suggests you want to lynch BH over him.

On October 26 2015 23:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
cut that crap if you are town Onegu. I am now playing, for you.

On October 26 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No, explain.
You literally said "yamato is lying because i know he was not working and instead playing DOTA with me."

If this has to do with this mafia game he is mafia for you.
If not, why point that out?

On October 26 2015 23:47 Xatalos wrote:
And you don't even think I'm scum apparently.... I really have no words anymore.

On October 26 2015 23:50 Xatalos wrote:
If he's town, he's a lot more shitty than what I read of BTTB. And he promised to never play as badly as town once that game ended.

On October 26 2015 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Onegu i want a straight answer.
What does the bolded & underlined part refer to?

On October 26 2015 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

but you call him mafia for it?

On October 26 2015 23:57 Xatalos wrote:


Your top scumread is me, obvious town (though apparently it's out of spite rather than scumminess.. even worse if so). You townread Yamato and Onegu, useless lurkers who usually get at least something done with their posts as town (Yamato) or who contradict their own reads and make no sense with their posts (Onegu).

I doubt my reads can be any worse.

On October 26 2015 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

well who is scum?

On October 26 2015 23:58 Vivax wrote:
Wait Onegu you just said you can't do activity reads on yammo but knowing he has free time you say he's null??? Why not mafia?

On October 27 2015 00:02 Vivax wrote:


No it wasn't really townie, it just looked like he was active enough to not be scum, and that's the best tell for him. If you say that his D1 was really townie you will have to show what besides his activity made it look that way, when you don't wanna scumread him but townread him for it (which is what it looks like).

On October 27 2015 00:07 Chromatically wrote:
Also I think Onegu literally doesn't have an answer to the question I posted 20 times, that's cool.

On October 27 2015 00:15 Chromatically wrote:

I'm talking about in this post specifically. What were you referring to in that conversation that made "zero sense here" and made you want to vote him?

On October 27 2015 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why do you post the bolded shit if you think it has to do with his alignment?

On October 27 2015 00:21 Vivax wrote:
Onegu what the flying frisbee did yamato do that was so townie on D1???



This is from your list post.

On October 28 2015 02:26 gumshoe wrote:


It'll be Bh, hes the most calm level headed person here. The one that most agree is town. I just engineered a lynch on a townie so its not gonna be me / : and theres no reason for scum to end the shit show that is you and Rayn. Barring scum incompetence and weird meta, Bh is probs done.

Bh, you gotta get as many reads in as possible tonight ) :

So I dont think we have much choice in the next few lynches. Chrom is probs town, as there was no reason to push Gb as hard as he did when the lynch was already going great for scum. So adding him to my town pile only leaves a few possibilitys.

Hopeless never mentioned yam at all really until his vote, so thats an obvius one.

Onegu's vote on hopeless was super pointless for a townie. The kind of thing I could see him doing because he knew both wagons (gb and yam) were town and wanted to be like "hah! I was the only guy who knew what was up yo" he may have also wanted to distance himself from hopeless. Early on Onegu mentioned that he wouldnt be very useful, but that he would be fairly right most of the time. sounds kinda like scum no?



Then theres Gb, there may not be any way to avoid lynching him honestly / : so long as players like chrom and rayn are set on Gb, town cant really function. That and I might have just been wrong about him T_T

I have one more potential scum read, but at this point the well becomes pretty foggy and there's no point calling up a shitstorm when I don't have any hard evidence.

I will say that if Onegu and hopeless arent both scum, then someone here has been playing a really good game. Which means were in trouble ) : If we want a certain lynch, these two would probally be best. But it might too much for town to function until we've cleared Gb so hes the other choice / :

Between Hopeless and Onegu, I would lynch hopeless first.
Otherwise Gb will have to go just as a matter of course / : even though I really am not that sold on him.

On October 29 2015 00:27 Xatalos wrote:
From Onegu :D

Also dont worry people, I will still figure this game out in lylo, I am the best lylo player ever as you all should know by now.

On October 29 2015 00:44 Xatalos wrote:
Dunno... It just feels like he throws scum/townreads around too casually. This Xatalos/hopeless thing now too... Ignoring rayn's scumreads on GB/ritoky.... And instead pushing us two.. Why?

On October 29 2015 00:50 GlowingBear wrote:
Yeah, I'm voting Onegu.

You've just reminded me of him saying he wouldn't vote Rayn on day1 then proceeds to vote Rayn. Lol

On October 29 2015 03:44 gumshoe wrote:


Thats very true, but we have a certain context to clash against my argument, which gives it some utility.

heres the frame my argument provides.

Scum want to win, scum need to mislynch townies, rayn on paper is the most mislynchable townie, but they shot him, so clearly there was some reason that scum were not confident in mislynching him.

There are two possibilities.


1: The majority of Scum are pushing rayn and the rest of town are opposed, which would mean a combination of xatalos, ritoky, gb and vivax, 2 of which, vivax and gb, cant be scum together, and the other 2 arent likely scum based of thier play. so not real hit there.

2: The majority of scum are town reading rayn for varius reasons, and cannot switch to him without contradicting themselves. townies fairly vehemently oposed to rayn bieng scum (hopeless, gumshoe, onegu, bh chromatically)
three of these players, me you and chrom, appear townie from thier play, but hopeless and onegu do fit the mold of a majority scum team that cannot mislynch rayn because they are townreading him.

Basically when you cross refrence scummy play with the argument that most of sum are townreading rayn and therefore cannot mislynch him, and the argument that most of scum are scum reading him therefore they cannot lynch him, this is the only real hit you get.

Does that make sense?

Imagine the two possibilities of the fan argument, but consider as well that there are markings on the wall that suggest one rotation as opposed to the other. That's how one would figure the truth in such a matter.

On October 30 2015 06:50 Chromatically wrote:
it's pretty funny how people start playing right before they're about to be lynched

On October 30 2015 06:54 Xatalos wrote:


......And that's supposed to convince me? just lol

On October 30 2015 06:56 Xatalos wrote:


That post is the definition of WIFOM...

On October 30 2015 06:58 Blazinghand wrote:


there's an odd number of players, your vote does nothing anyways haha