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On October 22 2015 08:39 marvellosity wrote: when does yamato leave the thread trying to look good as mafia lol :D:D Well he could well be scum, I just felt like Chromatically was the one out of them who fit better with the classic scum patterns of posting some semi-relevant questions / inconclusive posts without really sharing his own views. Well, there's the ritoky suspicion, but it was kind of a "question" as well. | ||
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On October 22 2015 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: no. i wanna know where i was a "meanie" because i am pretty sure i was not, ever, in this game. Haha I think he just meant that you've been mean before so you're generally a "meanie" | ||
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Every read had some "but... then..." moment haharayn: About BH, I'm not completely sure how I came to lean as strongly town on BH as on Vivax. It might not be as deserved as the townread on Vivax (on objective merits of meta etc.), I just felt (and actually still feel) that his level of effort and activity seemed more likely to come from town. The way he engaged people and seemed to have really thought about his own ideas... It didn't feel at all like a fake push trying to gather credibility. What's more, I skimmed through all the links ritoky provided and it was a common trend that BH pushed the idea of RNG lynching as town but didn't do that as scum. I think it's a minor meta point in BH's favor, even if it's not like it's impossible to fake something like that... I just didn't get the feeling it was fake. Well, did you? For the time being, I'm happy to put BH in the pile of non-lynchables. | ||
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I just wonder a bit what happened after the "reading on Xatalos's meta" bit? Did I miss something? | ||
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On October 23 2015 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: How i have to decide if you just said that terrible thing as town or mafia... I am a bit puzzled how could you actually believe Blazinghand would not do that as mafia. Not that he couldn't do it, but more likely not, based on him favoring it before as town (as a very pro-town thing) and still getting so excited about it now. 1) It would be harder to fake the excitement as scum when he has proven many times that he thinks it's genuinely pro-town 2) he just simply doesn't seem to do it as scum... at least so far. | ||
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On October 23 2015 05:12 Blazinghand wrote: Chromatically opens up just with questions. "Why do you think X", "What do you think of Y", etc. After making these, he comes out against ritoky with this argument: He laters adds Hopeless1der for awkwardness and when he calls out ritoky http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25000070 he does it with some pretty reasonable-sounding arguments, but these arguments are actually flawed. He says scum won't sheep and will actually try to stick out, which in general is NOT how scum act. Yes, scum don't want to appear OBVIOUSLY Sheeping, but scum will generally try to appear "middle of the herd" rather than following the herd. Chromatically being wrong about this though doesn't make him scum, it just makes him wrong. His seeming misunderstadning of ritoky's (admittedly poorly laid out / formatted) argument about my usage of RNG is actually more suspicous. IF he actually clicked the links, he'd see me RNGing in each of those games. In fact, for trying to figure out when I RNG, ritoky is almost certainly town. If he's scum, he could just be like "BH using rng is stupid, we should lynch him for being stupid", or, if rayn was somehow town, he could say "RNG is great let's lynch rayn" This isn't what riotky did. He saw me using RNG, then said to himself, "hmm, I'm going to do research. How does Blazinghand's decision to do RNG tell me about his alignment? Let's see when he's used this in the past"-- to react to this by trying to use it as a tool to determine my alignment, this almost certainly makes ritoky town. Chromatically doesn't see this, which means he's not trying to get in ritoky's head, or maybe isn't capable of doing so? In any case, Chromatically mostly comes off as good-natured but wrong rather than baltantly scummy. If he's scum, he won't come out and spew incorrect theories about how to make scumreads, not when it would draw attention to him. Chromatically is not on my lynch list today Yeah, I like that ritoky part. It's certainly a townie reaction to dig your game history for RNG-related things to think about your alignment. | ||
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On October 23 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said: "BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town." "generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta." So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!? Well it could be that it's not impossible for him to break meta, but not as likely as just following it? | ||
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On October 23 2015 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is absolutely nothing alignment indicative in your rng Blazinghand, you know it, everyone should know it. "Figuring out" something regarding it is a waste of time. Well it's kind of like... Imagine player X. He has a great record of posting a lengthy introduction post as scum when he starts the game, and as town he's so far just immediately jumped in and started posting actual content. Now in a current game he immediately makes a lengthy introduction post. Could he have done it as town to make himself harder to read? Possibly. But I'd still take into account that maybe the meta is repeating itself, no? And if you read my posts, it's not just that about Blazinghand, but more like how he was so excited about the RNG when he's several times before said that it's pro-town. It would be harder to convey that excitement as scum when he think it's so pro-town clearly. | ||
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On October 23 2015 05:32 Blazinghand wrote: Ok but part of what's going on here also is not everyone has seen firsthand what I'm capable of. Most people hear a story or two and think "oh, that BH guy must be pretty decent. He'll do anything to win. I guess I better count this well-known-to-BH meta evidence less strongly". Not everyone is like you, not everyone has seen the true darkness and depravity I am willing to perpetrate to win as scum. I've literally made peopel feel IRL feelings for me, feel bad, feel hurt, feel worried, want to reach out to me out-of-game, just to not get lynched for one day as scum. I've sunk to depths that are BEYOND most people's comprehensions. You know me, rayn. You know not to trust RNG as a town-tell. PEople hear that, though, and they think "okay, don't trust it AS MUCH as I normally would", because they don't KNOW. They ahven't gazed into the abyss. They are still sane. They can still be saved. You, though... you've seen what I'm capable of, and perhaps have forgotten what it is like to be normal, to not know me as you do Haha :D Well, I'm sure you'll start pushing RNG in your next scumgame after this... Unless you happened to already be scum here, which would kind of defeat the point. | ||
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On October 22 2015 13:35 yamato77 wrote: I wouldn't, because I have like 40 hours to decide. This is one of the issues I have with Xatalos/Vivax and their "read" on me. Do you really expect me to be super active when there's nothing really that interesting to talk about? It's fucking pointless conjecture. No answer to your question will mean a damn thing in 20 hours when I have more substantive stuff to talk about. Sure, it makes you question my alignment, but do I really care? No. When I want to, I'll be painfully obvious town and I'll almost certainly find a better lynch than most of you, and once you realize this, we'll be heading in a better direction. Thinking that you're "putting pressure" on me by forcing me to answer asinine questions is literally the least useful thing you could do at this juncture. If I fail to deliver, you can go ahead and try to get me lynched, but in the mean time, don't delude yourself into thinking I'm scum just because I won't play the game the way you want me to. It's rather silly. Oh yeah, I think this post seemed a bit town... Provided that he DOES start doing something since time has already passed | ||
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Like I think you tricked the scumteam to kill you in one game instead of me when I was the Cop? | ||
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On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie. Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it. Really? Well, I guess we'll see as the game goes on. I'm relatively sure I got the right impression, and more so with some of BH's more recent posts. | ||
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On October 23 2015 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hopeless could you play properly and post more of your thoughts. Like i am pretty sure you are town but i am also pretty sure you're gonna get lynched because other people do not know why you are town and nothing i say can possibly change that. So why is he town? | ||
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