On October 30 2015 06:27 Blazinghand wrote: Like if somehow both 1G and H1 are town I don't know if there's anything we can actually do to WIN, you know? Like we have to choose wether or not to lynch them, and I think we should
I know right? Its what I've been thinking all this time ) : though I've avoided saying that to Ritoky cause thats the kind of thing that would set a giant killer townie off "WHAT you think I cant win this game? NAY, I shall destroy these magical mobsters!"
On October 30 2015 06:27 Blazinghand wrote: Like if somehow both 1G and H1 are town I don't know if there's anything we can actually do to WIN, you know? Like we have to choose wether or not to lynch them, and I think we should
I know right? Its what I've been thinking all this time ) : though I've avoided saying that to Ritoky cause thats the kind of thing that would set a giant killer townie off "WHAT you think I cant win this game? NAY, I shall destroy these magical mobsters!"
hahaha, I know what you're saying.
Really though I think everyone needs to just stop freaking out. We stay the course. We lynch these guys, they flip scum, then afterwards we brag in post-game about how huge our-epeens are
On October 30 2015 06:16 ritoky wrote: i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia.
onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu
gb/x/x most likely if gb.
there's gotta be at least 2 scum in there though. who's scum if it's not AT LEAST 2 of those 3?
from ritokys perspective, it would have to be xata vivax,
cmon ritoky, why isnt hopeless voting onegu? If hopeless is the only scum between them, why not look more consistent and vote for the guy whose trying to kill you instead of doubling back on a guy you were null at best on, and town read at several points in the game? If hopeless is scum with gb, why vote him when he can just vote for onegu? the guy trying to kill him? In fact, why draw attention to himself with such a shitty vote for no reason?(might have resulted in his own lynch)? The only way hopeless DOESNT vote for onegu, and compromises himself in such a fashion is to protect his scum buddy, who has been bussing hopeless all this time to create some distance
If hopeless is town, then hope is actually lost, and hes also insane for not voting onegu ) : cmon ritoky, yah got dis
It's also worth noting that Onegu is currently trashing his vote by voting a non-wagon
honestly the level of play of these guys is so bad, we just need to get rid of them
that's an argument for day 1....or if you're arguing policy lynch them every game until they pick it up. not for the terrible situation we're in...
Honestly I think we're in a great situation. I really do. A good number of players have distinguished themselves with good or decent town play and we have a lynch pool of mafia with 1 flailing guy and 2 lurkers. I think we just kill these guys and win the game. really.
this level of contentment being so widespread makes me think if we just kill these 3 town will lose the game...but maybe i am too tinfoil for my own good. i do suck as town.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town. Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion. The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone. This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
On October 30 2015 06:16 ritoky wrote: i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia.
onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu
gb/x/x most likely if gb.
there's gotta be at least 2 scum in there though. who's scum if it's not AT LEAST 2 of those 3?
from ritokys perspective, it would have to be xata vivax,
cmon ritoky, why isnt hopeless voting onegu? If hopeless is the only scum between them, why not look more consistent and vote for the guy whose trying to kill you instead of doubling back on a guy you were null at best on, and town read at several points in the game? If hopeless is scum with gb, why vote him when he can just vote for onegu? the guy trying to kill him? In fact, why draw attention to himself with such a shitty vote for no reason?(might have resulted in his own lynch)? The only way hopeless DOESNT vote for onegu, and compromises himself in such a fashion is to protect his scum buddy, who has been bussing hopeless all this time to create some distance
If hopeless is town, then hope is actually lost, and hes also insane for not voting onegu ) : cmon ritoky, yah got dis
It's also worth noting that Onegu is currently trashing his vote by voting a non-wagon
honestly the level of play of these guys is so bad, we just need to get rid of them
that's an argument for day 1....or if you're arguing policy lynch them every game until they pick it up. not for the terrible situation we're in...
Honestly I think we're in a great situation. I really do. A good number of players have distinguished themselves with good or decent town play and we have a lynch pool of mafia with 1 flailing guy and 2 lurkers. I think we just kill these guys and win the game. really.
this level of contentment being so widespread makes me think if we just kill these 3 town will lose the game...but maybe i am too tinfoil for my own good. i do suck as town.
Ok but 1G and H1, as scum, would yes be discontent but they're basically non-posters. And GB is CLEARLY super discontent.
it's not "too easy" to lynch 1G. Let me FUCKING tell you, I have been trying to lynch this guy or shennannie onto this guy literally ALL GAME. GB has been in people's crosshairs ALL GAME. these two wagons are both culminations of like, 144+ hours of analysis.
If we were gonna shenanny out of 1G/H1/GB, I cant imagine it going well. who would we even lynch? who could you justify as better? And it's not liek 1G and H1 are gonna come into the thread and help or something, or prove themselves townie. Also: they're scum. we should lynch them
LIke there's historically a trend of "people call 1G and GB scum, everyone agrrees they're scummy, and any time a lynch is gonna happen on them there's a ton of last minute resistance". This has happened eveyr time a wagon has formed on them. These are not easy lynches.
On October 30 2015 06:16 ritoky wrote: i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia.
onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu
gb/x/x most likely if gb.
there's gotta be at least 2 scum in there though. who's scum if it's not AT LEAST 2 of those 3?
from ritokys perspective, it would have to be xata vivax,
cmon ritoky, why isnt hopeless voting onegu? If hopeless is the only scum between them, why not look more consistent and vote for the guy whose trying to kill you instead of doubling back on a guy you were null at best on, and town read at several points in the game? If hopeless is scum with gb, why vote him when he can just vote for onegu? the guy trying to kill him? In fact, why draw attention to himself with such a shitty vote for no reason?(might have resulted in his own lynch)? The only way hopeless DOESNT vote for onegu, and compromises himself in such a fashion is to protect his scum buddy, who has been bussing hopeless all this time to create some distance
If hopeless is town, then hope is actually lost, and hes also insane for not voting onegu ) : cmon ritoky, yah got dis
It's also worth noting that Onegu is currently trashing his vote by voting a non-wagon
honestly the level of play of these guys is so bad, we just need to get rid of them
that's an argument for day 1....or if you're arguing policy lynch them every game until they pick it up. not for the terrible situation we're in...
Honestly I think we're in a great situation. I really do. A good number of players have distinguished themselves with good or decent town play and we have a lynch pool of mafia with 1 flailing guy and 2 lurkers. I think we just kill these guys and win the game. really.
this level of contentment being so widespread makes me think if we just kill these 3 town will lose the game...but maybe i am too tinfoil for my own good. i do suck as town.
Dont even sweat it man, I am the lord of tinfoil, but yeah best way to lose this game is to start pointing the finger at people who have been super duper active and as helpful as they can be with no blue aid whatsoever / the lack of fluff and mechanics may be why your reading certain filter as somewhat vapid.)
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote: PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town. Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion. The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone. This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D
On October 30 2015 06:16 ritoky wrote: i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia.
onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu
gb/x/x most likely if gb.
there's gotta be at least 2 scum in there though. who's scum if it's not AT LEAST 2 of those 3?
from ritokys perspective, it would have to be xata vivax,
cmon ritoky, why isnt hopeless voting onegu? If hopeless is the only scum between them, why not look more consistent and vote for the guy whose trying to kill you instead of doubling back on a guy you were null at best on, and town read at several points in the game? If hopeless is scum with gb, why vote him when he can just vote for onegu? the guy trying to kill him? In fact, why draw attention to himself with such a shitty vote for no reason?(might have resulted in his own lynch)? The only way hopeless DOESNT vote for onegu, and compromises himself in such a fashion is to protect his scum buddy, who has been bussing hopeless all this time to create some distance
If hopeless is town, then hope is actually lost, and hes also insane for not voting onegu ) : cmon ritoky, yah got dis
It's also worth noting that Onegu is currently trashing his vote by voting a non-wagon
honestly the level of play of these guys is so bad, we just need to get rid of them
that's an argument for day 1....or if you're arguing policy lynch them every game until they pick it up. not for the terrible situation we're in...
Honestly I think we're in a great situation. I really do. A good number of players have distinguished themselves with good or decent town play and we have a lynch pool of mafia with 1 flailing guy and 2 lurkers. I think we just kill these guys and win the game. really.
this level of contentment being so widespread makes me think if we just kill these 3 town will lose the game...but maybe i am too tinfoil for my own good. i do suck as town.
Dont even sweat it man, I am the lord of tinfoil, but yeah best way to lose this game is to start pointing the finger at people who have been super duper active and as helpful as they can be with no blue aid whatsoever / the lack of fluff and mechanics may be why your reading certain filter as somewhat vapid.)
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote: PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town. Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion. The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone. This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D
NO HE DOESN'T. IF YOU READ WHAT I'VE WROTE YOU'LL SEE THAT IF ONEGU IS MAFIA THERE IS NO WAY GUMSHOE ISN'T
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote: PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town. Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion. The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone. This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D
Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn
Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to
I'm here now, stay the course preferably on GB because there's 1 billion reasons in the thread why (marv and rayn both thought he was mafia too) but I would only be a little annoyed if we lynched Onegu instead.
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote: PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town. Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion. The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone. This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D
Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn
Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to
actually that post is basically a scumclaim by GB. not that it matters; 1G is the better lynch
On October 30 2015 06:39 Chromatically wrote: I'm here now, stay the course preferably on GB because there's 1 billion reasons in the thread why (marv and rayn both thought he was mafia too) but I would only be a little annoyed if we lynched Onegu instead.
how do marv and rayn mean we should lynch GB over 1G?
sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you,
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote: Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote: Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.
So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless?
scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op.
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote: Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.
So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless?
scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op.
You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point.
Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks.
On October 29 2015 02:22 gumshoe wrote: ##unvote
your move scummers : D
On October 30 2015 01:12 gumshoe wrote: ##Vote gb
I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his.
EPT
the lack of fluff and mechanics may be why your reading certain filter as somewhat vapid.)
