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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 29 2015 21:01 GMT
#3021
On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.

Some thoughts for you:

IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.

BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.

I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho.


i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
October 29 2015 21:01 GMT
#3022
1G/H1/GB scumteam fits all evidence
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 29 2015 21:02 GMT
#3023
On October 30 2015 05:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh chill out GB I'm not voting you, we'll take care of you tomorrow. plus "two main wagons" doesn't mean "both can't be scum" but that's a nice try buster


I'm okay BH but I'm dead today.

Yes it means both can't be scum. Tell me. If you have two scum buddies up for the lynch, you wouldn't try to derail town to a mislynch? I would NEVER be quiet. And this day was too quiet with these two wagons. Which means both can't be scum. PLUS I am proposing a lynch on Onegu since day1. This simply reinforces that we aren't on a team together.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 29 2015 21:05 GMT
#3024
On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.

Some thoughts for you:

IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.

BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.

I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho.


i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out.


No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 29 2015 21:06 GMT
#3025
On October 30 2015 06:01 Blazinghand wrote:
1G/H1/GB scumteam fits all evidence


I have no word to say how frustrating it is to see people putting me on a team together with people I wanted to lynch since day1. It's unbelievable.
I'm adorable.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
October 29 2015 21:07 GMT
#3026
On October 30 2015 06:02 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 05:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh chill out GB I'm not voting you, we'll take care of you tomorrow. plus "two main wagons" doesn't mean "both can't be scum" but that's a nice try buster


I'm okay BH but I'm dead today.

Yes it means both can't be scum. Tell me. If you have two scum buddies up for the lynch, you wouldn't try to derail town to a mislynch? I would NEVER be quiet. And this day was too quiet with these two wagons. Which means both can't be scum. PLUS I am proposing a lynch on Onegu since day1. This simply reinforces that we aren't on a team together.


Well obviously if *I*, BLAZINGHAND, had two scum buddies up for a lynch, I'd raise a huge shitstorm, but do you think H1 and 1G are the kind of players who are raising shitstorms this game? ಠ_ಠ

In any case if you want I'll say a piece on your behalf to whoever's voting you right now since I think we should lynch 1G first

the speech is the same as the one I made in defense of you against Yam:


On October 27 2015 06:01 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2015 05:55 Chromatically wrote:
I agree with a lot of that post, BH. But honestly I would argue that our biggest threat to our ability to win is lynching mafia, not lynching people who don't play the game. Lurkers are really bad for town in this setup, but I think we have to consider if lynching a lurker is our best chance of hitting mafia. I don't think it is right now, but clearly many disagree.


Ok, I totally get what you're getting at here. there's an argument to be made, and it is a totally reasonable one, that perhaps all lurkers are town and all active players are mafia, and we should lynch into the most suspicious active players. And in a sense, I think that is not 100% wrong. For example; I think rayn needed an extension and some time to sort out his rage and unwillingness to play. But there are what, 4 lurkers here out of 11 players? It's almost certain that there's at least one mafia in the lurk group, and there are ones like Hopeless1 and Yamato who are literally playing just enough to not ge tmodkilled (remember, this game has no activity requirement). If I were scum this game, I'd just never post and it would be easy. In fact, I feel really certain at least one scum, or maybe all scum, are doing this. And why not? There's a vocal contingent of people (including the lurkers themselves) who do not want to lynch into lurkers

We have to think smarter. Normally, lurkers are handled by modkills for failure to meet posting requirements, or cops, or vigilantes, or at the very least some blues make it to LYLO and claim and we have a narrow lynch pool. We have none of those tools this game. People are abusing the ability to lurk, and sure, ti sounds like they have reasons, but there's no reason scum can't just fake reasons. As scum, I would.

We need to solve this problem ourselves. We obviously can't lynch every lurker, since doing so is the same as guessing all scum are lurkers (if 2-3 of them are town, we'll run out of lynches and lose probably first). But we can lynch the worst lurker or two, the ones we'll never get a read on, and I'm gambling on one of them being scum.

Obviously none of these guys are gonna shot if they're town. What will you do in LYLO when it's all lurkers and scum, or all lurking scum we're refusing ot lynch? We can't have that.

Gb will always LOOK worse than Yam because there's a filter to look at. He could have eaisly chosen to never post and he'd be just like Yam, protected by "well, we can't just lynch lurkers, or we'd lose". GB CHOSE TO PLAY. He chose to play the damn game, to try to solve things, even if he's super wrong and dumb, and MAKING THAT CHOICE, that's a town thing. If he's scum, he didn't have to post SHIT. He just had to let the thread implode.

He stepped up! HE STEPPED UP.

Don't punish that.


It still applies. Doesn't make you town; but it still applies. This is why we lynch 1G first
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
October 29 2015 21:08 GMT
#3027
On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:
On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.

Some thoughts for you:

IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.

BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.

I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho.


i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out.


No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared.


haha what?? are you serious

gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 29 2015 21:09 GMT
#3028
On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:
On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.

Some thoughts for you:

IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.

BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.

I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho.


i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out.


No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared.


haha what?? are you serious

gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum


Did you read what I've brought on him?
I'm adorable.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
October 29 2015 21:11 GMT
#3029
On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:
On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.

Some thoughts for you:

IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.

BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.

I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho.


i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out.


No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared.


haha what?? are you serious

gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum


Did you read what I've brought on him?


not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 29 2015 21:13 GMT
#3030
On October 30 2015 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:
On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.

Some thoughts for you:

IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.

BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.

I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho.


i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out.


No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared.


haha what?? are you serious

gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum


Did you read what I've brought on him?


not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito


I will write it now. It will have a big sign written PLEASE READ. That's the only post I need you to read from me. Please promise you'll read.
I'm adorable.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 21:14 GMT
#3031
how yolo do i feel?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
October 29 2015 21:14 GMT
#3032
On October 30 2015 06:13 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:
On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.

Some thoughts for you:

IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.

BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.

I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho.


i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out.


No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared.


haha what?? are you serious

gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum


Did you read what I've brought on him?


not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito


I will write it now. It will have a big sign written PLEASE READ. That's the only post I need you to read from me. Please promise you'll read.


sure
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
October 29 2015 21:15 GMT
#3033
On October 30 2015 06:14 ritoky wrote:
how yolo do i feel?


let's hold it together man we got two wagons on two scum I think all we need to do is not fuck this up ye?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 21:16 GMT
#3034
i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia.

onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu

gb/x/x most likely if gb.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 21:17 GMT
#3035
x = person not in poe of 3.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 29 2015 21:17 GMT
#3036
On October 30 2015 06:14 ritoky wrote:
how yolo do i feel?


I was wrong yesterday ) : so today's choice is yours, but TRY to make sense of what hopeless is doing is hes scum, it doesn't unless hes trying to protect 1gu / : maybe it doesnt matter and 1gu and gb are both scum, but based of hopeless's actions we should definitely be voting onegu.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
October 29 2015 21:17 GMT
#3037
On October 30 2015 06:16 ritoky wrote:
i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia.

onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu

gb/x/x most likely if gb.


there's gotta be at least 2 scum in there though. who's scum if it's not AT LEAST 2 of those 3?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 29 2015 21:17 GMT
#3038
ritoky, trust me: vote onegu.

Trust me once.
I'm adorable.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
October 29 2015 21:19 GMT
#3039
And you know what? fuck scumteams, let's just lynch the scummiest players. That's the simplest and most likely to work strat.

On October 30 2015 06:17 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:14 ritoky wrote:
how yolo do i feel?


I was wrong yesterday ) : so today's choice is yours, but TRY to make sense of what hopeless is doing is hes scum, it doesn't unless hes trying to protect 1gu / : maybe it doesnt matter and 1gu and gb are both scum, but based of hopeless's actions we should definitely be voting onegu.


I mean, maybe, right? But I don't want to draw associative tells right now. Analyzing H1's actions, or things like the NK, imo, just lead us astray. If we lynch into H1/1G/GB we're gonna be fine. It's a classic mistake in situations like this to overthink things, screw up, and end up aimless and lost or lynch a bunch of townies or something. Like, I REALLY htink we can afford to NOT lynch these guys
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 29 2015 21:19 GMT
#3040
On October 30 2015 06:16 ritoky wrote:
i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia.

onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu

gb/x/x most likely if gb.


I actually agree with possibility 1 a smidge, you probably know who my final scum read is by now / :
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
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