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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
October 29 2015 20:29 GMT
#3001
On October 30 2015 05:28 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 05:19 gumshoe wrote:
On October 30 2015 05:16 Blazinghand wrote:
i'm pretty sure we're just arguing about which of two scum to lynch first so i can't really bring myself to care about this argument, but ritoky I will reread onegu since you insist, and if I were in your position I'd want "sure" people to reread the stuff about the guy I'm TRing. I gotta grab dinner real quick but I'll have an answer for you at least half an hour before deadline


you should care, if gb flips town for some dumb reason, then you me or xata die, well have 3 scum plus ritoky vs 3 town and onegu might not get lynched till lylo or something equally disturbing.


Hm...

Magic words?

##Call BH to shenanigans on Onegu



I can't actually shennanigan onto onegu, I deeply apologize

It is up to you to figure out why this is the case

I believe in you Xat
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 20:33 GMT
#3002
hmmmm...i just realized something....
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 29 2015 20:33 GMT
#3003
On October 30 2015 05:18 ritoky wrote:
stray voting is a 50/50 game tbh. that's a coinflip argument at best. also idk what you're talking about not looking for scum. outside of this phase (where i believe all of 1gu's friends are dead in) he has done more scum hunting than i have ever seen in a game lol. so uhhhh....you're wrong. slam comment is interesting point, but maybe he just has a god read on slam like me.


1: Everything your saying is wifom, 1gu mighta killed rayn to sway townies his way, your are literally the living proof that this is a possibility

2: Whereas the nightkill is all wifom, 1gu's votes are facts. By wasting them on hopeless if hes town he is effectively sacrificing his ability to influence the vote. If the vote is between scum and town, and scum survive then the townie who burned his vote has effectively contributed to another townies mislynch.

3: This works as well vice versa for a scummer trying to save his teamates, but what if 1gu's teamates were never at risk?

4: 1gus day 2 behavior is only optimal if a scummer was not in danger and 1gu is scum, if 1gu is town, he does not actually know if his vote will make a diffrence or not, but if 1gu is scum, he DOES know that the best move is to steer clear of the lynch, so as to avoid fall out from it. Basically avoiding a vote is a pr move, you know who cares about pr? Scum / : the end

lynch da goo.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 20:33 GMT
#3004
Oh..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 20:35 GMT
#3005
so let's assume for a moment i am a GOD and completely right about onegu town and gb mafia. that means we have a very even wagon between a town and a mafia.

hopeless (resident lurker) comes into the thread, says some blah blah blah, and votes on the mafia in a town vs mafia situation. this almost always confirms hopeless......which would mean 2 mafia are outside the PoE if GB is mafia and onegu is town...

is that a world i want to believe in....ugh, fuck you brain for thinking.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 29 2015 20:35 GMT
#3006
Like, ritoky how can you not see that 1gu might have shot rayn to bring you over to his side when you literally have gone over to his side because he shot rayn?
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 20:36 GMT
#3007
Well, this vote is interesting. Luckily it's not LYLO so we basically only lose if they're both town (very, very unlikely).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
October 29 2015 20:37 GMT
#3008
On October 30 2015 05:35 gumshoe wrote:
Like, ritoky how can you not see that 1gu might have shot rayn to bring you over to his side when you literally have gone over to his side because he shot rayn?


I laughed out loud at this. This was pretty great
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 20:37 GMT
#3009
because i think 1gu wouldn't kill people he enjoys playing with unless forced to, and i also don't think he kills some1 in support of him who is not being universally TR. you can think it's shit, but won't change my mind.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 29 2015 20:39 GMT
#3010
On October 30 2015 05:35 ritoky wrote:
so let's assume for a moment i am a GOD and completely right about onegu town and gb mafia. that means we have a very even wagon between a town and a mafia.

hopeless (resident lurker) comes into the thread, says some blah blah blah, and votes on the mafia in a town vs mafia situation. this almost always confirms hopeless......which would mean 2 mafia are outside the PoE if GB is mafia and onegu is town...

is that a world i want to believe in....ugh, fuck you brain for thinking.


Chrom is town-would not have pushed gb so hard day 2, ESPECIALLY IF YOUR RIGHT AND GB IS SCUM.

BH is town- has played very reasonable this game, nothing scummy to really point at, no point lynching because hes gonna get shot.

Xata-dont even get me started again, also will probally get shot

vivax- wont argue here, we might be on the same page

you- derp

me- double derp

tldr only worry about it when someone whose supposed to die tonight doesn't die
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 20:39 GMT
#3011
does shennanies onto hopeless and him flipping mafia say anything with relative certainty about GB's alignment? hrm...
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
October 29 2015 20:40 GMT
#3012
Wow the "if GB is mafia" is flying around pretty heavily around here.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 29 2015 20:52 GMT
#3013
Day 3 Vote Count


GlowingBear (4): Vivax, Chromatically, gumshoe, gumshoe, Hopeless1der, ritoky
Onegu (4): gumshoe, Xatalos, Blazinghand, GlowingBear, gumshoe
Hopeless1der (1): Onegu
Xatalos (0): Hopeless1der

Not Voting (0):

Looks like it's time to sack GlowingBear for being a traitor!
Day 3 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

The quality control list is here.
The automated list counter is here.
Only votes on this list will be counted.

Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
October 29 2015 20:54 GMT
#3014
So like it's 9000% clear H1 isn't getting lynched today. why isn't 1G voting GB? Like even out of self-preservation you'd expect him to as scum. actually, they're probably both scum then
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 29 2015 20:54 GMT
#3015
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.

Some thoughts for you:

IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.

BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.

I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 29 2015 20:56 GMT
#3016
On October 30 2015 05:54 Blazinghand wrote:
So like it's 9000% clear H1 isn't getting lynched today. why isn't 1G voting GB? Like even out of self-preservation you'd expect him to as scum. actually, they're probably both scum then


If he is mafia, if the lynch is secured on me he can bing this card that he isn't trying to survive. If we get in a tie, he can just hammer.

Come on BH, it isn't that hard.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 29 2015 20:57 GMT
#3017
Again, with no other counter wagons being hard proposed, there is no way me and Onegu are scum together.

Use your brains.
I'm adorable.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
October 29 2015 20:58 GMT
#3018
Oh chill out GB I'm not voting you, we'll take care of you tomorrow. plus "two main wagons" doesn't mean "both can't be scum" but that's a nice try buster
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
October 29 2015 21:00 GMT
#3019
Oh, looks like we're lynching you first instead.

In any case Onegu coming back and hammering would be hilarious but also surprising given the level of effort that dude has put in and the fact that you're probably both scum together
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 29 2015 21:00 GMT
#3020
On October 30 2015 05:39 ritoky wrote:
does shennanies onto hopeless and him flipping mafia say anything with relative certainty about GB's alignment? hrm...


See this is where you run into issues / : why is hopeless not voting 1gu? 1gu is pushing the shit out of hopeless, if I was hopeless i would vote him in a heartbeat.

Look at the hopeless posts on Gb

I think I buy this. Am I crazy?
(in response to gbs plea day 1)

Kind of null about GB, I'd vote him but more on a PoE basis.


then he comes out with this

Agree with this, and onegu doesnt seem as bad as GB after reading through their filters. GB is constantly throwing around "but what about this scummy thing thats just like me", seems like trying to deflect from himself.


what a flop / : also read this shit right here is a straight up contradiction.



Onegu still feels like he's "testing" me so I'm going to let him be for the time being but I really want to OMGUS him


Hopeless's original reason for town reading onegu was that onegu was only "testing him" if that was ever the case the testing phase has long since passed, Onegu is straight up trying to murder hopeless!

Rayn scum reads Xata, and hopeless and then dies. Coincidence I think not.

Anyway I am going to bed.

We should lynch xata or hopeless today.


Hopeless is scum this I am sure


That vote from hopeless on Xata is so fucking random, If he is going to be around why use a placeholder and why Xata. Then he drops a vote on GB... Why does this give me the heebie jeebies that this is two town wagons...

Can we please vote hopeless?


So question, why is hopeless town reading onegu right this instant? I honestly dont have the answer

Agree with this, and onegu doesnt seem as bad as GB after reading through their filters. GB is constantly throwing around "but what about this scummy thing thats just like me", seems like trying to deflect from himself


All we have atm is that onegu isnt as scummy as gb... so what? Is he town reading onegu? WHY?! He said townreading onegu cause hes just teasing, but thats a godamm lie! lets be generous and say he consideres gb and onegu his top two scum reads, who would you rather lynch? The dude who constantly calling for your head? or the guy whose just upset hes bieng grouped with you, a fella whose filter is basically non existent mid day 2 ?

gb about as raw as he gets vs hopeless
AND consider that I am mafia with onegu and hopeless ROFL


Onegu wins the antananism race by a godamm mile, so why isnt hopeless killing him if only to make the game more pleasant for himself?

Cause they ares scum -_- agendas are at play people. Vote for the guu
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