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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 29 2015 19:05 GMT
#2961
On October 30 2015 03:55 Vivax wrote:
I think you're just creating unproductive fuss while filling a page with righteousness. If you wanna argue pick somebody who can be mafia.


You can be mafia / :
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
October 29 2015 19:05 GMT
#2962
On October 30 2015 03:25 Vivax wrote:
BH what do you think of what rayn said about you, I think you never talked about it.

That you just flail around lynches without wanting one, basically.


What do I think of that? I don't. I think it's pretty clear I'm town and I haven't felt any need to defend myself this game. When I spend time, I typically spend it analyzing, writing cases, and hunting scum. If you have particular questions for me, I'm glad to answer them, but I think my work speaks for itself. It IS true that I tried shennannies two days in a row, and both times failed-- but I don't think that is scummy at all.

Could I have been more effective about shennannies? Sure, I think if I had been a bit more clear on organizing the D2 shennannies, it might have worked. Looking back on it, it seems we actually had a majority of people wanting to lynch 1G over Yam. At the time, though, it was hard to tell that based on facts on the ground, and many people stubbornly refused to move off of yam (which is the prerogative). The fact my shennanigans didn't work out isn't because I'm scum, it's just there wasn't the will in the town for them to happen.

As it is today, I see no reason for shennannies so you won't see any from me. I think we've got this game wrapped up and am not worried; either wagon is fine.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 29 2015 19:10 GMT
#2963
Vivax, if you want a question here you go, what do you think of Chromatically right now?
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 19:18 GMT
#2964
On October 30 2015 01:32 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2015 00:44 Xatalos wrote:
Dunno... It just feels like he throws scum/townreads around too casually. This Xatalos/hopeless thing now too... Ignoring rayn's scumreads on GB/ritoky.... And instead pushing us two.. Why?



The main reason is because I am scum reading you two more. GB needs looked at also, but I feel multiple people scum read GB maybe he shoots rayn, but only rayn and myself were scum reading you. Rayn had the clout that I dont to actually lynch you.


I really doubt rayn could have ever gotten me lynched... If the kill was motivated by his reads, I'd imagine it's because there's scum within ritoky/GB/hopeless (mostly GB/ritoky since the hopeless suspicion was just some PoE one-liner at the very end). If I was in the scumteam, I'd just have left him to be mislynched as he was already almost lynched during D1 and D2.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 19:19 GMT
#2965
All the more so for surviving until LYLO
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 19:21 GMT
#2966
Currently GB is getting lynched... Can't really convince myself to push Onegu over GB. In any case, both probably need to be lynched. I can even move my vote to GB if there's some demand/reasoning for that order?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
October 29 2015 19:22 GMT
#2967
On October 30 2015 04:21 Xatalos wrote:
Currently GB is getting lynched... Can't really convince myself to push Onegu over GB. In any case, both probably need to be lynched. I can even move my vote to GB if there's some demand/reasoning for that order?


Eh, i'm in the same boat. Either is fine, we need to lynch both of them anyways
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 29 2015 19:26 GMT
#2968
hey vivax you there? You want questions I got just the one for now, but more can follow

Vivax, if you want a question here you go, what do you think of Chromatically right now?


lose your appetite all a sudden?
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 19:40 GMT
#2969
Btw gumshoe what was the Vivax scumread about? (might have missed it though) What do you think about GB's push on Vivax in relation to that? Long-term bussing?

Also what did you think about rayn's case on ritoky? There's this on D1...

On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that?


depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes.

really?
when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing?


it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely.

it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH:

Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia

Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia

Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town

rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky".

Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game.

There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because:
1) His read on BH is bad.
2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment.

So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me.


Then this later... Which I didn't quite follow...

On October 26 2015 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways:

"O, woe is me, T'have seen what I have seen, see what I see!"
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 24 2015 04:37 ritoky wrote:
reading the thread...wondering what happened to BH the 2nd half of this phase.

On October 23 2015 07:26 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:21 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.

i thought you told me ritoky was town?

yeah that was yesterday.


On October 23 2015 06:53 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 12:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think ritoky is town tbh


On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.


On October 23 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said:
"BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town."
"generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta."

So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!?


On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH?


well, not towards me. You're actually being a little more gentle with me, compared to normal. Normally I'd expect you to end up TRing ritoky for that on your own. Maybe it's been some time since we played together, or my edge is getting dull, but I recall you being pretty good at noticing people's motivations.

ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie.

Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it.


nice one bro.


respond.

no


y'know, gonna be honest here. you're the most underwhelming player that people tell me is good on these forums. i just don't see it; maybe i am the one who is so bad i can't comprehend your greatness; but i don't think that's the case.

I don't talk to people who i think are mafia or will not understand me anyways.


i think i am content ignoring everything you say in every game going forward; it doesn't have much value or good reason in it anywayz.

I think if i have this convo with someone they think i am mafia, at least they should imo.
On October 24 2015 05:00 ritoky wrote:
bh being very sexy to me again right now. probably gonna sheep him.

On October 24 2015 05:18 ritoky wrote:
##vote: alakaslam

cuz BH said so.

here in between he votes for Onegu (who is btw never gonna get lynched on D1).
On October 24 2015 10:02 ritoky wrote:
xata is right about this. slam was the least chupazi he has been in recent games. he was in fact significantly more serious than normal resulting in an around a 50% serious post rate which is astounding for him. as desperate as i am to try and ignore everything rayn posts, when he posts for 3 straight pages....anywayz his reaction is overblown and worthless.

+ Show Spoiler +
at least my meta read on slam is still perfect

On October 26 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote:
honestly i am tired and whiny and i just wish this game were easier.

i have 1 guy in xata who is either playing 5 steps ahead or in a tunnel potentially filled of rage.
i have 1 guy in yamato who is constantly handing out empty promises.
i have 1 guy in hopeless who might have died irl.
i have 1 guy in rayn who ragequit lyfe, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
i have 1 guy in GB who has never once been so disenfranchised with a mafia game.
i have 1 guy in onegu who has had the tonal shift of the ages.

like why can't this be easier right now? seriously. all i want are town reads that are trying to find mafia. not all of those people can be mafia....and that isn't even considering if there's a sneakster mafia.

i am just tired and want town reads. is this too much to ask for?

boohoo... cries.... in... vain...

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 19:43 GMT
#2970
what did i tell you about xata? see.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
October 29 2015 19:48 GMT
#2971
Today might actually be shenanny day cause both Onegu and GB aren't bad lynches.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 19:50 GMT
#2972
On October 30 2015 04:48 Vivax wrote:
Today might actually be shenanny day cause both Onegu and GB aren't bad lynches.


onto?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
October 29 2015 19:54 GMT
#2973
BH can rng it
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 29 2015 19:54 GMT
#2974
Why would we shenanny off of good lynches?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
October 29 2015 19:58 GMT
#2975
On October 30 2015 04:54 Chromatically wrote:
Why would we shenanny off of good lynches?


For bread and games
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 20:00 GMT
#2976
some concerns: people very content, appeal to emotion post (i am sucker for them), why onegu + gb are wagons...makes no sense should be gb + hopeless

yay: i wanna be right, i think he's mafia, chroma super town thinks mafia, most likely dunks xata
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 29 2015 20:02 GMT
#2977
On October 30 2015 04:40 Xatalos wrote:
Btw gumshoe what was the Vivax scumread about? (might have missed it though) What do you think about GB's push on Vivax in relation to that? Long-term bussing?

Also what did you think about rayn's case on ritoky? There's this on D1...

Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that?


depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes.

really?
when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing?


it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely.

it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH:

Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia

Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia

Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town

rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky".

Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game.

There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because:
1) His read on BH is bad.
2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment.

So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me.


Then this later... Which I didn't quite follow...

Show nested quote +
On October 26 2015 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways:

"O, woe is me, T'have seen what I have seen, see what I see!"
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 24 2015 04:37 ritoky wrote:
reading the thread...wondering what happened to BH the 2nd half of this phase.

On October 23 2015 07:26 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:21 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.

i thought you told me ritoky was town?

yeah that was yesterday.


On October 23 2015 06:53 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 12:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think ritoky is town tbh


On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.


On October 23 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said:
"BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town."
"generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta."

So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!?


On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH?


well, not towards me. You're actually being a little more gentle with me, compared to normal. Normally I'd expect you to end up TRing ritoky for that on your own. Maybe it's been some time since we played together, or my edge is getting dull, but I recall you being pretty good at noticing people's motivations.

ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie.

Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it.


nice one bro.


respond.

no


y'know, gonna be honest here. you're the most underwhelming player that people tell me is good on these forums. i just don't see it; maybe i am the one who is so bad i can't comprehend your greatness; but i don't think that's the case.

I don't talk to people who i think are mafia or will not understand me anyways.


i think i am content ignoring everything you say in every game going forward; it doesn't have much value or good reason in it anywayz.

I think if i have this convo with someone they think i am mafia, at least they should imo.
On October 24 2015 05:00 ritoky wrote:
bh being very sexy to me again right now. probably gonna sheep him.

On October 24 2015 05:18 ritoky wrote:
##vote: alakaslam

cuz BH said so.

here in between he votes for Onegu (who is btw never gonna get lynched on D1).
On October 24 2015 10:02 ritoky wrote:
xata is right about this. slam was the least chupazi he has been in recent games. he was in fact significantly more serious than normal resulting in an around a 50% serious post rate which is astounding for him. as desperate as i am to try and ignore everything rayn posts, when he posts for 3 straight pages....anywayz his reaction is overblown and worthless.

+ Show Spoiler +
at least my meta read on slam is still perfect

On October 26 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote:
honestly i am tired and whiny and i just wish this game were easier.

i have 1 guy in xata who is either playing 5 steps ahead or in a tunnel potentially filled of rage.
i have 1 guy in yamato who is constantly handing out empty promises.
i have 1 guy in hopeless who might have died irl.
i have 1 guy in rayn who ragequit lyfe, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
i have 1 guy in GB who has never once been so disenfranchised with a mafia game.
i have 1 guy in onegu who has had the tonal shift of the ages.

like why can't this be easier right now? seriously. all i want are town reads that are trying to find mafia. not all of those people can be mafia....and that isn't even considering if there's a sneakster mafia.

i am just tired and want town reads. is this too much to ask for?

boohoo... cries.... in... vain...



I rather not elaborate on Vivax atm, not before we have a heart to heart.

as for long term bussing between gb and vivax, I really doubt it, gbs antics came out of the blue and almost got him lynched day 1. It was a terrible bus if it was one and vivax didnt paticularly reciprocate gbs aggression. One would think if they had agreed to buss eachother vivax would have come after gb just as hard, but instead hes fairly slow to pounce going from, "yeah bro your wrong" to "why arent we lynching this gb scum?" in long enough a period of time that others like yamato and marv were basically at the head of the train instead of him. I just figure Vivax would have pushed alot harder to max out his cred.

Whats more, gb agreeing to a bus with vivax is kinda like stepping into the lions mouth, he musta known that unless vivax deliberately left something for gb to pick, town would most certainly side with the veteran / :


Alot can be said about gb's play this game, is it scummy? maybe, but I dont think gb would sacrifice himself like that, he seems to actually want to play really bad, he fights everyday just to live another 72 hours (hes fighting even now to avoid his lynch, even when we basically are telling him he has to die no matter what)

Sacrificial bussing is more for when "fuck, I dont have time to play this game, guys I'll just mess up and you can capitilize on it and take cred, k?" Gb has been active enough that the above scenario doesn't seem likely / :

So no, I really really dont think its a buss, but maybe they did it thinking that without dts in game bussing is super effective / : who knows. It's very unlikely is where I am at.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 29 2015 20:02 GMT
#2978
Please no throws
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 20:04 GMT
#2979
gb isn't fighting to stay alive. gb fighting to stay alive types in caps and calls people funny names. and is mystified about how people don't understand he is confirmed town by the heavens themself
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 20:04 GMT
#2980
i voted for GB chroma don't worry
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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