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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 28 2015 06:28 GMT
#2821
On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :

If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.


So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless?


scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 28 2015 06:28 GMT
#2822
It amazes me that people think that as scum I would be against lynching yamato and slam while suggesting Onegu and hopeless and call universally town read Vivax as mafia on day one just to put a target in my back AND consider that I am mafia with onegu and hopeless ROFL
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 28 2015 06:29 GMT
#2823
On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :

If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.


So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless?


scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op.


You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 28 2015 06:34 GMT
#2824
On October 28 2015 15:19 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 15:11 GlowingBear wrote:
Anyway it's also bullshit that you say RAYN died because mafia think he was unlynchable. He had way more chances to be lynched over than you or Xatalos.

The fact that you thought I was town should be clear to you that RAYN was wrong so if he is dead it's because mafia tried to wifom us


EXACTLY, the only way rayn is unlychable is if scum are in a position where they cannot help rayn be lynched.

Bh brought up that it could also be that scum are the only ones pushing rayn.

But that would mean 2 out of you vivax xat and ritoky are scum. You should KNOW your town, so it cant be you, that means 2 out of xat vivax and ritoky are scum which I dont bilieve.

on the other hand we have the case that scum simply are town reading rayn, therefore they are trying to just wifom us cause they can never kill him.

This would support the theory that Hopeless and onegu are scum (two scummy players that are in no position to push rayn as they are town reading him, they fit the bill perfectly.)

The problem is, it only accounts for two of scum, the third can be whatever on Rayn / : so yeah, mah theory doesnt clear or condemn any one player, it just makes a compelling case that there are 2 scum out there that CANNOT mislynch rayn cause theyre stuck town reading him.



OR mafia wants you to think of it this way. Or they want to incriminate me, since Rayn called me scum and now he is dead. That's why the nightkill is wifom and using it to base your reads is bad.
I'm adorable.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 28 2015 06:48 GMT
#2825
On October 28 2015 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :

If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.


So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless?


scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op.


You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point.


Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 28 2015 08:42 GMT
#2826
Day 3 Vote Count


GlowingBear (3): Vivax, Chromatically, gumshoe
Onegu (2): gumshoe, Xatalos, Blazinghand

Not Voting (4): GlowingBear, Hopeless1der, Onegu, ritoky

Looks like it's time to sack GlowingBear for being a traitor!
Day 3 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

The quality control list is here.
The automated list counter is here.
Only votes on this list will be counted.

Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill.

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22405 Posts
October 28 2015 09:10 GMT
#2827
who are the mediocre players u speak of gb?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22405 Posts
October 28 2015 10:35 GMT
#2828
Something really wants me to believe you but yesterday I checked your other games, past ones and *ahem*.

Anyway you're on par with yamato's level of awfulness if you're town in this game.

I'll try to reread the game though and as usual get some sort of game solving aha moment that nobody listens to and then we lose.

Maybe I'll even end up unscumreading GB.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 11:08 GMT
#2829
On October 28 2015 13:46 ritoky wrote:
i personally think there's at least 1 between gb and hopeless.

as i said before if gb is mafia there is GUARANTEED 1 between gumdrop, vivax, and xata.


I don't think it's "guaranteed", but yeah, it would make some sense to lynch GB information-wise... Especially compared to hopeless.. Honestly I'm fine with any of the trio dying today. My vote is just on Onegu because I have the hardest time believing he's town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 11:13 GMT
#2830
Hah, I hope ritoky vs gumshoe doesn't start a new rage fest
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 11:16 GMT
#2831
Uh, ritoky giving flashbacks of myself on D1... But I think paranoia usually a towny quality, so I won't hold it against him, I guess...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 11:27 GMT
#2832
On October 28 2015 14:55 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote

##vote Gb


sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you,


>.>
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 11:34 GMT
#2833
On October 28 2015 18:10 Vivax wrote:
who are the mediocre players u speak of gb?


I guess referring to me? Can't disagree my D1 wasn't particularly productive going against marv and rayn like that... But from now on, I'll just go along with my most town reads because I can't really be certain I have a clue what's going on in this game...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 11:49 GMT
#2834
On October 28 2015 14:25 Chromatically wrote:
Just checked, gumshoe is definitely town because I think he posts differently as mafia than he does here and as town. It seems like his tone is much more serious as mafia, and definitely not as interested in finding mafia. Plus his mafia games have 2, 2, 2, and 4 page filters total (idk how convincing filter length argument is but it's easy and feels good). I guess it could just be a coincidence that lurker gumshoe showed up for his mafia games, but I don't think that gumshoe would be able to play like this as mafia.

Town game (real similar to here):
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia?user=gumshoe
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?user=gumshoe

Mafia:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/448443-you-only-shoot-once-mafia?user=gumshoe
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?user=gumshoe
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445063-handslaps-and-fisticuff-a-pyp-mini?user=gumshoe
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/441596-gsl-open-mini-mafia-iv?user=gumshoe


Posts like this make it harder to tinfoil that Chromatically is scum...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 11:54 GMT
#2835
On October 28 2015 15:24 GlowingBear wrote:
Let me be sincere here:

I'm completely demotivated to play. Partly because I've burned out of playing mafia, partly because I can't stand coming to a promising game, liking playing it, but then facing medium tier players overvaluating themselves and promoting shitfests, and players that signs in to simply not play the game. It's like playing chess with a wall.

I'm not certain on anyone but Vivax. Vivax has displayed some townie posts, I must agree, but his overall gameplay seems scummy to me. He doesn't feel engaged to win. He hasn't done anything memorable.

The rest I can call scummy for whatever reasons. At this point I want to lynch everybody and be the last man standing.

No, I won't make a case on Vivax. I've spent 3-4 hours re reading day one, talked about Vivax, said we should keep slam and yamato to read later, and that we should go against Onegu and hopeless, just to be called mafia right after. It's boring. Then it's day3, and people are considering a team of me/Onegu/hopeless ROFLMAO. I won't waste my time.

I will be hanging here and give some opinions on whatever I find relevant and vote people accordingly to how I feel comfortable.



For the record, I kind of thought this post could be coming from town? Again the same feeling as at D1 end.

But since it seems that you like to bus, GB, I'm not really dye how GB/Onegu/hopeless could be ruled out. Even if I think you and hopeless have potential to be town. But ritoky's paranoia and Chromatically's continued balanced effort makes me want to townread them more today too..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 11:55 GMT
#2836
gumshoe's Vivax tinfoil came to mind, but really... Vivax is totally apathetic as scum in my experience,
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 12:05 GMT
#2837
Hmm... Theoretically, I guess ritoky/Onegu could make sense based on ritoky's reluctance to lynch Onegu starting from the original shenanigans... But why would he then jump on Onegu in the first place? Perhaps thinking that it was too late anyway? Well, it's still risky.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 12:07 GMT
#2838
Btw I agree that Onegu's reaction to the NK was odd. It's as if he thought it was natural/expected. What's more, I'm not sure where he pulled Xatalos/hopeless since rayn was mainly scumreading GB and ritoky at the end?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 12:09 GMT
#2839
Hm... I think there may be something to gumshoe's theory, but I think it's a bit too WIFOMy to make our reads based on our assumptions about the last NK. It could well be that they just thought he had potential to be dangerous as a veteran player, like marv.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 12:55 GMT
#2840
On October 28 2015 15:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 14:07 Chromatically wrote:
Ehhhh I really don't agree with that. gumshoe and Xatalos were both of the mindset that yamato scum = GB town, which was pretty reasonable. So they'd want to see the yamato flip before killing GB. Even I thought it would be a mistake to double lynch without considering info from the flip.


This is bullshit. If you think I'm mafia like you show you think I am you vote me 100%.

Tell me how yamato flipping mafia would clear me. And I want YOU to tell me, not anyone else.

What? It doesn't matter what I say, I wasn't convinced yamato mafia would clear you. The point is that Xatalos and gumshoe clearly thought it would.
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