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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 14 2015 14:42 GMT
#541
The thing that all of you seem to have difficulty understanding - is that there are 3 factions here. So using standard lists like narrowing it down to a few scum is useless. What you have to do - is find other people not in your faction and lynch them. There's no point in lists saying these people are Mafia because there is 3rd party here. Night will be interesting but it unfortunately looks like I won't be around for it. The thing is that I'm plenty sure that Superbia isn't town. And everyone that I've listed otherwise is probably 3rd party or Mafia. That's how I've been formulating my reads. I listed a bunch of people I didn't like because this isn't a 3 man team we have to kill, it's two different teams. On that note, the reason why I've been buddying with a bunch of different people is because they're useful even if they're not town with me. Even if we convince 3p to kill Mafia or Mafia to kill 3p it's still a gain for town. This is the correct mindset to have.

Which is why it's infinitely worse for those people who are trying to treat this like your classic game and try to act as townie as possible with standard lists (Superbia).
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 14 2015 14:44 GMT
#542
I still stand by my Superbia read by the way. He's not acting naturally at all while trying super hard to appear townie. I don't care if he's 3p or Mafia but I'm sure he's not town.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2015 14:47 GMT
#543
Cool story.

Also I'm null on the people missing in that list. Rels. I think I can probably get a read on Sylencia and maybe dook but I haven't yet. Will see after dinner.

Also while on the surface this may appear as a substandard game, rules of mafia still follow, just slightly different. There's a difference between how people play town and how they play mafia, regardless of set up. It's a human thing.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2015 14:48 GMT
#544
I also love how you bring up this huge "there's a big difference in how you read mafia this game you idiots!" and then follow it up with "Superbia is different from his town game, so he's mafia(/3p)!". Amazing.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2015 14:54 GMT
#545
Also can you be concrete as to why I'm mafia?
Minimal effort.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 14:55 GMT
#546
On October 14 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
What you have to do - is find other people not in your faction and lynch them.

On October 14 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
So using standard lists like narrowing it down to a few scum is useless.

Making lists is doing exactly what we you think we should do IE "find other people not in your faction and lynch them". In fact you've just admitted you did a list too:
On October 14 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
And everyone that I've listed otherwise is probably 3rd party or Mafia. That's how I've been formulating my reads. I listed a bunch of people I didn't like because this isn't a 3 man team we have to kill, it's two different teams.

I see no difference between "listing people from most town to most not-town" and "listing the people I think are not-town".
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 15:00 GMT
#547
On October 14 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The thing that all of you seem to have difficulty understanding - is that there are 3 factions here. So using standard lists like narrowing it down to a few scum is useless.

Your "I make townie-type list and Superbia makes scummy-type list" stupidity aside, I don't agree with this today. D1 we do not care about association. We lynch not-town.
When a not-town flips we can start thinking about partner candidate. Especially, two partners are unlikely to have bussed each other D1, so this is valuable info.
But it doesn't matter D1.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 14 2015 15:30 GMT
#548
On October 14 2015 22:21 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 22:06 Tictock wrote:
Ok I promised this, but I'm already rethinking some stuff. I'll be keeping up with the thread as I can at work, though I wont be able to post much till near EoD.

Probably Town
Rels - I should point out that Rels is a very strong scum player so people shouldn't give him an easy pass just because he's active. Still I have a hard time seeing him rolling scum 3 games in a row, and I'm not having any sneaking suspicions of him like I did in SoW2.
GlowingBear - I've agreed with most of his posts, he's not all over the place and causing confusion like I've seen him do as scum. Even the post where he suggested blues claim if they need to didn't feel like role hunting to me.

Town Lean
Koshi - Poked his head out way early, pretty active though most of it is complaining about the balance
deconduo - Joined the game late, made a decent reads post and was pretty much the first person to seriously push Cake. Probably would be a straight town read besides the fact he's been fairly inactive.
Sylencia - I'm actually not sure why I'm leaning town on Syl over straight null, something about his tone feels townie

Null
Onegu
CopCake
Superbia - I agree with GB, a couple of his posts felt towny. Continueing to throw out the "brb" thing after getting called out on it seems townie to me as well.
Alakaslam - Really not sure how to read Slam, he's low null right now because I don't have time to filter dive him and I don't recall anything he's done this game

Scum/Scum Lean
gobbledydook
MoosyDoosy
Xatalos


I didn't leave a note next to the people I've been discussing recently anyways.


If you liked my last post, why am I still top scum while CopCake/Sylencia (two of the main suspects) are town/null? Or was this just some post you prepared before and only posted now? Why not correct it before posting then?


I only said it wasn't a bad post and I read it right I as preparing the reads post, so didn't have time to properly look it over.

Actually I'd like to know a couple things about that post, I've been thinking it over a little at work (on a 10 atm).

You said your still uncertain about me, why? What are you seeing thats scummy?

What value do you think your list of non associated people has?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 14 2015 15:31 GMT
#549
On October 14 2015 23:02 Superbia wrote:
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Gratz
I can take that responsibility.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 14 2015 16:00 GMT
#550
On October 14 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The thing that all of you seem to have difficulty understanding - is that there are 3 factions here. So using standard lists like narrowing it down to a few scum is useless. What you have to do - is find other people not in your faction and lynch them. There's no point in lists saying these people are Mafia because there is 3rd party here. Night will be interesting but it unfortunately looks like I won't be around for it. The thing is that I'm plenty sure that Superbia isn't town. And everyone that I've listed otherwise is probably 3rd party or Mafia. That's how I've been formulating my reads. I listed a bunch of people I didn't like because this isn't a 3 man team we have to kill, it's two different teams. On that note, the reason why I've been buddying with a bunch of different people is because they're useful even if they're not town with me. Even if we convince 3p to kill Mafia or Mafia to kill 3p it's still a gain for town. This is the correct mindset to have.

Which is why it's infinitely worse for those people who are trying to treat this like your classic game and try to act as townie as possible with standard lists (Superbia).


Moosy, actually, there isn't a very different way to approach this game. Simply consider mafia and third
Party as one big anti-town group (namely: scum) and go against who is acting that way.

The only difference between normal games is that mafia and 3p are afraid of being shot at night so they mostly will never commit themselves to drive lynches (if they go against a player who is in other anti town faction they will die at night).
I'm adorable.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 14 2015 16:25 GMT
#551
Btw I'm not sure how strict the rules for non-voting are, but CopCake's vote didn't count because it was only something like "#name". Or was it even a vote? Anyways, people should probably vote correctly before the deadline hits...

Tictock: I'm not really sure about you yet. Maybe a part of it could be the contradictory feelings about your push on me. On the other hand, it's hard to feel it being town-motivated when I'm town, but when you think about it, it's not like I'm a very good target to push for anti-town. The reasons also aren't absolute trash like some players (CopCake, MoosyDoosy etc.) have presented. Still I feel there's definitely a bias to present null-leaning things more negatively than they should be, but it's hard to say if that's town or anti-town tunneling for the time being.

The list's value isn't great right now, but I just wrote it down for later. At LYLO it could prove to be crucial, for example (as a piece to the puzzle of figuring out the factions).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 14 2015 16:37 GMT
#552
Day 1 Votecount

CopCake (6): deconduo, gobbledydook, Sylencia, Rels, GlowingBear, Xatalos
MoosyDoosy (3): Koshi, Koshi, Superbia, GlowingBear, Onegu
Xatalos (1): Tictock
Superbia (1): MoosyDoosy
Koshi (0): GlowingBear
Sylencia (0): Xatalos
Tictock (0): Rels, Koshi, Koshi, Koshi, Xatalos

Not Voting (2): CopCake, Alakaslam

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in .


table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 17:59:59
October 14 2015 16:39 GMT
#553
Yeah i am not counting incorrectly formated votes.
The correct format can be found in the OP.
table for two on a tv tray
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 16:50 GMT
#554
On October 15 2015 01:25 Xatalos wrote:
Btw I'm not sure how strict the rules for non-voting are, but CopCake's vote didn't count because it was only something like "#name". Or was it even a vote? Anyways, people should probably vote correctly before the deadline hits...

Tictock: I'm not really sure about you yet. Maybe a part of it could be the contradictory feelings about your push on me. On the other hand, it's hard to feel it being town-motivated when I'm town, but when you think about it, it's not like I'm a very good target to push for anti-town. The reasons also aren't absolute trash like some players (CopCake, MoosyDoosy etc.) have presented. Still I feel there's definitely a bias to present null-leaning things more negatively than they should be, but it's hard to say if that's town or anti-town tunneling for the time being.

The list's value isn't great right now, but I just wrote it down for later. At LYLO it could prove to be crucial, for example (as a piece to the puzzle of figuring out the factions).

TT s arguments are good though. You used different logic for different people, and most importantly you only voted on ongoing trains. You cannot dismiss them as " not trash" and "null leaning things".
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 16:55 GMT
#555
Disclaimer: I will be sleeping at deadline ... The latest I guarantee being awake is 2 hours before deadline, after that no promise! So I would be super happy if we can consolidate before that. In particular, I would be super happy if onegu and gobble starts not being useless
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 14 2015 17:02 GMT
#556
Ok Onegu's home. Will attempt to read the thread and solve the game for you. Key word here is attempt as it is midnight and I have been out and busy all day.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 14 2015 17:11 GMT
#557
On October 15 2015 01:50 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 01:25 Xatalos wrote:
Btw I'm not sure how strict the rules for non-voting are, but CopCake's vote didn't count because it was only something like "#name". Or was it even a vote? Anyways, people should probably vote correctly before the deadline hits...

Tictock: I'm not really sure about you yet. Maybe a part of it could be the contradictory feelings about your push on me. On the other hand, it's hard to feel it being town-motivated when I'm town, but when you think about it, it's not like I'm a very good target to push for anti-town. The reasons also aren't absolute trash like some players (CopCake, MoosyDoosy etc.) have presented. Still I feel there's definitely a bias to present null-leaning things more negatively than they should be, but it's hard to say if that's town or anti-town tunneling for the time being.

The list's value isn't great right now, but I just wrote it down for later. At LYLO it could prove to be crucial, for example (as a piece to the puzzle of figuring out the factions).

TT s arguments are good though. You used different logic for different people, and most importantly you only voted on ongoing trains. You cannot dismiss them as " not trash" and "null leaning things".


Tbh I think I explained my "different" treatment of MoosyDoosy and Sylencia, and nobody else has really brought up Sylencia as far as I remember. But I don't really even care too much right now. There's no way I'm getting lynched today and things should be clearer after the lynch&kills, I hope.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
October 14 2015 17:14 GMT
#558
Huh?

You fools don't know how to read CopCake.

Moosy first, he's pretty objectively scummy anyway- my preference is more toward figuring out Koshi however.

Nonetheless, Koshi is swinging around and can be really good... I have to decide and Moosy is actually the most scummy guy ATM far as I can see.

Koshi points not entirely true but certainly closer to that than false :/
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
October 14 2015 17:15 GMT
#559
##Vote: MoosyDoosy
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 14 2015 17:18 GMT
#560
How do you read CopCake?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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