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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 14 2015 13:20 GMT
#521
Well, it's partly because of the Skype discussions and her being heavily townread by one other player too...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 14 2015 13:21 GMT
#522
On October 14 2015 22:06 Tictock wrote:
Ok I promised this, but I'm already rethinking some stuff. I'll be keeping up with the thread as I can at work, though I wont be able to post much till near EoD.

Probably Town
Rels - I should point out that Rels is a very strong scum player so people shouldn't give him an easy pass just because he's active. Still I have a hard time seeing him rolling scum 3 games in a row, and I'm not having any sneaking suspicions of him like I did in SoW2.
GlowingBear - I've agreed with most of his posts, he's not all over the place and causing confusion like I've seen him do as scum. Even the post where he suggested blues claim if they need to didn't feel like role hunting to me.

Town Lean
Koshi - Poked his head out way early, pretty active though most of it is complaining about the balance
deconduo - Joined the game late, made a decent reads post and was pretty much the first person to seriously push Cake. Probably would be a straight town read besides the fact he's been fairly inactive.
Sylencia - I'm actually not sure why I'm leaning town on Syl over straight null, something about his tone feels townie

Null
Onegu
CopCake
Superbia - I agree with GB, a couple of his posts felt towny. Continueing to throw out the "brb" thing after getting called out on it seems townie to me as well.
Alakaslam - Really not sure how to read Slam, he's low null right now because I don't have time to filter dive him and I don't recall anything he's done this game

Scum/Scum Lean
gobbledydook
MoosyDoosy
Xatalos


I didn't leave a note next to the people I've been discussing recently anyways.


If you liked my last post, why am I still top scum while CopCake/Sylencia (two of the main suspects) are town/null? Or was this just some post you prepared before and only posted now? Why not correct it before posting then?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 14 2015 13:50 GMT
#523
On October 14 2015 17:27 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 09:09 Koshi wrote:
On October 14 2015 09:05 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 14 2015 09:02 Koshi wrote:
On October 14 2015 08:59 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 14 2015 08:57 Koshi wrote:
yeah. True. So they will probably protect each other. w.e
This game is truly wtf.

4 mafia with 2 kp

Why the fuck bother.


Mechanics are actually pretty neat. Read the roles and you'll see the clusterfuck night kills will be.

To be honest roles and mechanics can cause different behaviours that we are used to

Nope. The game is not rewarding at all for town. While mafia and 3p only get rewarded if they survive and never punished for following their wincon.

If town lynches anti town each day they can still lose. CPR is a shitty role, should have been a cop that couldn't be protected by the town medic.


I wouldn't call a vigilante with unlimited bullets that can kill scum/save a townie on LYLO a bad role.

Yes it is a bad role because it is rolling the dice every night. if it is 3 vs 1 in the night he can actually end the game by using his power, he would be retarded to use it. 2 vs 1 in the night he gives town a 50/50 chance to play the "who is the real cpr on lylo". Currently he is just a vigi with the offchance he saves an dubious figure. Seriously, if cpr actually heals a confirmed townie during the night he is fucking 100% retarded. No excuses.


Humm, This is actually interesting. To consider the CPR role like a town Vigi.

I think that's the correct approach early in the game, the chances of CPR hitting a KP target and saving them out of a large pool of players is really low, even with 2 KP floating around. So using their power like a Vigi is legit.

However, Koshi, I don't get why you don't value the potential ability for CPR to offer a save as well as town KP.


cpr doc is used to deliver kp. If you try to save a townie with the role you are stupid. Killing mafia/lynchbait > Killing townies
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 14 2015 13:51 GMT
#524
On October 14 2015 17:31 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 09:42 Koshi wrote:
On October 14 2015 09:22 Koshi wrote:
anti town can just pretend to scumhunt the other anti town party. This is so fucking silly tbh.

It's not even pretending. Their actual goal during dayphase is to lynch anti town. The fact that they need to make a fake "you are mafia" case on somebody they know isn't is completely removed.


Literally 13 people in this thread are looking for people who are not town. 4 people in this thread know the alignment of 1 other guy they can ignore for the most part.

Koshi. Once again what you're saying seems to make sense but is totally false.
1 - that's partly the case in every mafia game. If mafia members could just appear town, scumhunt, don't care about each other, mafias would be unlynchable. What makes the game playable is that mafias always plays differently because they (1) know they are mafias, and (2) because they have TMI. You're right that the (2) TMI component is mostly removed in this game; the (1) part is not though. Playing a role is exhausting, and not-town will slip roleplaying as town sooner or later. We have to catch that.
2 - you again forget we have potentially 2 medic or 1 medic 1 vig if the CPR dude is good. So even if we have 4 people 2 KP against us, we also have a lot of role power. For example in the worst scenario where we mislynch D1 and have 3 town killed N1: we are at 5/2/2. If none of these 4 dead were roles, we're still in a pretty good shape.

Sure bro. I ll play. But game is bad.
I had a good night of sleep.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2015 13:52 GMT
#525
7 pages to go. I have near-auto.
Minimal effort.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 14 2015 13:54 GMT
#526
Well. I don't know this person you are lynching so i am just going to lynch Moosy.
I had a good night of sleep.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2015 14:01 GMT
#527
[Town]
Superbia
Glowingbear
Slam
TT
[Lean town cutoff point]
Rels
Deconduo
Xatalos


[Lean-Mafia]
Koshi

[Mafia]
Moosy
Copcake
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2015 14:01 GMT
#528
Oh fuck, should've added colours.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2015 14:02 GMT
#529
[image loading]
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2015 14:05 GMT
#530
At this point it's also very possible moosy and copcake are together (as pointed out before), since they're playing horribly (for whatever alignment they are) and copcake despised moosy from last game. This tragic but hilarious situation is something I've considered pre-game and I kind of hope it becomes fact (especially if moosy rolled crossfire and copcake rolled groupie, the irony would be palpable)
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2015 14:07 GMT
#531
Oh yeah, Koshi, you're leaning mafia because:

Koshi - Rage on set up p5. Initially had him town for properly evaluating game as being different from normal mafia, which is town-indicative (imo). Overly emotional posts, maybe fake emotion? Haven't played with Koshi I think. Then became clear that he had not properly evaluated game (leaving alone 3p??? lynching crossfire d1 is best case scenario for town). Did not know 3p rules, may be dumbtell. Angry posts after finding out, very meh. Lean-scum prob.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2015 14:08 GMT
#532
Since I know you're going to ask.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2015 14:09 GMT
#533
Oh and that list is in order of most [alignment] to least [alignment].
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2015 14:12 GMT
#534
Maybe Xatalos is above deconduo after Xatalos' last big post (with the "worlds").
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2015 14:14 GMT
#535
Going to do groceries now so.. (wait for it)
Minimal effort.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
October 14 2015 14:14 GMT
#536
On October 14 2015 20:33 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 20:05 Sylencia wrote:
Anyways, given the swingy nature of the game I'm going to approach it 1-2 people at a time.

If CopCake doesn't go down for whatever reason, Onegu is next because no matter what role he is, he is a detriment to town. Given the initial disadvantage we have, losing a vote and a voice over a more active townie would be terrible.



Played with him before
He's far from useless at all
Terrible P Lynch


Most of the games I remember with Onegu with this sort of start has ended in a near-silent Onegu. I don't see why this would change unless my memory was wrong.

@Xat: The way she posted just stuck in my mind on the way to the station so I picked it apart a bit and figured it was probably posted from 3p POV. If I was mafia there wouldn't be a need to go to that level of detail in regards to pushing CC because she already looked pretty scummy purely from the contents.

Also, I'm not going to be posting more than I need to on Day 1s because honestly I find them such a crapshoot anyways and so long as you get some idea of where I'm at it's better than me trying to "reach" for reads, which I'm terrible at and makes me look terrible regardless of alignment. Hence why you're probably unhappy with my activity.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2015 14:15 GMT
#537
Brb. (last time, I swear)
Minimal effort.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 14:26 GMT
#538
On October 14 2015 21:16 Xatalos wrote:
I think it's very unlikely that the anti-town factions would push members of their own faction in this setup D1, especially when the setup is so "swingy" and the lynch is everything but decided yet. It's not totally impossible, but I doubt they would want to immediately crash their chances of victory for a little town cred. I think these anti-town factions are quite unlikely:

Sylencia/CopCake
MoosyDoosy/Superbia
Onegu/MoosyDoosy
gobbledydook/CopCake
deconduo/CopCake

This is a super good idea.

On October 14 2015 21:16 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 10:58 CopCake wrote:
you think rels is town tho.

that makes you mafia.


There's 0% logic there. The reads themselves are ridiculous, but the worst part is not pushing Rels if just "thinking Rels is town" is the reason to scumread someone (with that reasoning most players in the game would be scum btw). It's just hard to grasp she could be genuinely making these reads at all.

##Vote CopCake

Fuck I misread this! I thought Copcake said "I think Rels is town though", and that was a ridiculous switch.
OK so she's actually saying "GB is scum because he thinks Rels is scum". That's still super bad:
- why is she not voting me
- why did she doubt it was a unflipped association
- it wasn't her original case; her original idea was "Rels suspects GB => Rels answers GB's questions => they're scum together", which is false since when I answered GB's questions, I wasn't suspecting him anymore
- it doesn't explain why I am mafia, which is the center of her accusation
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 14:29 GMT
#539
On October 14 2015 20:33 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 20:05 Sylencia wrote:
Anyways, given the swingy nature of the game I'm going to approach it 1-2 people at a time.

If CopCake doesn't go down for whatever reason, Onegu is next because no matter what role he is, he is a detriment to town. Given the initial disadvantage we have, losing a vote and a voice over a more active townie would be terrible.



Played with him before
He's far from useless at all
Terrible P Lynch

I love your haikus (=
So you've earned is a fair warning: I will push you if you don't become useful until EOD
That also applies to Onegu
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 14:32 GMT
#540
On October 14 2015 23:01 Superbia wrote:
[Town]
Superbia
Glowingbear
Slam
TT
[Lean town cutoff point]
Rels
Deconduo
Xatalos


[Lean-Mafia]
Koshi

[Mafia]
Moosy
Copcake

You're missing a couple people.
Gratz on plat god (= I love this game soooo much
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