On October 06 2015 17:33 Rels wrote: Plus, there is no way there are 2 roleblockers in the setup. That is not balanced, and everybody thinking that should think about the possible implications. 2 roleblockers means there is the possibility to confirm two people if one mafia is flipped. If on N1 or N2, one mafia is flipped and one roleblocker had to claim cause he was getting lynched or whatever. The two roleblockers uses their block on two targets then: - if one people dies, when the roleblocker claims his blocks, the other should do it too => PAM 4 confirmed townies - if none dies, of course the two roleblockers will claim, believing they blocked KP => PAM one mafia between two people confirmed
the best part is that if the strongman used on a claimed roleblocker is not super useful, because: => well, the claimed roleblocker should claimed his target at deadline anyway, so it doesn't matter => there is two investigative role running wild now. So two other confirmed townies with investigative abilities
On October 06 2015 17:33 Rels wrote: Plus, there is no way there are 2 roleblockers in the setup. That is not balanced, and everybody thinking that should think about the possible implications. 2 roleblockers means there is the possibility to confirm two people if one mafia is flipped. If on N1 or N2, one mafia is flipped and one roleblocker had to claim cause he was getting lynched or whatever. The two roleblockers uses their block on two targets then: - if one people dies, when the roleblocker claims his blocks, the other should do it too => PAM 4 confirmed townies - if none dies, of course the two roleblockers will claim, believing they blocked KP => PAM one mafia between two people confirmed
Hmm
But again, a cop and 2 crap 1 shot blues seems weak against a strong man and a Mafia roleblocker AND a Miller...
On October 06 2015 06:17 Rels wrote: LOL at all the people even entertaining the idea that Moosy's claim is true. Less lol at rsoultin and sicklucker doing it. Why doesn't one of you become townie already )=
I'll copy what I said earlier:
1. Moosy claimed he didn't read GB's rescinding his claim; that is extremely unlikely
On October 06 2015 00:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 06 2015 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: he said his claim is not real on N1...
Well, I didn't read his claim until it was too late.
This is a straight lie. GB rescinded his claim on N1 5h30 before deadline:
On October 02 2015 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 02 2015 01:18 sicklucker wrote: Guys gb is are roleblocker
I'm not, I was just upset and made that up
Moosy posted in the thread only 2 MINUTES later, ironically replying to GB he's not reading the thread:
On October 02 2015 01:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 01:03 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 02 2015 00:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 00:37 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
That's one of the most stupid conclusion ANYONE can get to. NOBODY busses a team mate when there is a counter claim in the thread. Mafia will take the chance to lynch the blue 100% of the times and you should KNOW I think of it this way because I was against your bus on cake last game we played together.
The fact that you're fitting this scum team to your agenda instead of thinking about facts reasonably makes me see you more scummy than ever.
i mean, the situations are completely different since in our game there was no alternative blue lynch and coolTLname is pretty much dead fish in the water. makes no sense to not bus tbh. you buy townie credit by pushing on coolTLname as well.
You're saying that I prefered to lynch my team mate instead of going against the counter claimed blue that I KNOW is blue because I, as Mafia, have perfect information. You're saying that I'd rather get town cred for lynching my scum mate when I don't need town cred to survive instead of lynching the blue without compromising myself by doing it.
This makes no sense at all.
Also, you came back just to say 3 people looked worse, one of them being the guy under suspicion by me and Rayn (LS). So I'm double bussing here when I agree that LS could be scum?
Also, you threw 3 suspicions but you simply assume cool TL is Mafia without arguing he should be the lynch. These will sum up to 4 Mafia, and the one you are pretty sure is Mafia (because you are pretty sure I'm BUSSING) is someone you didn't talk about lately.
Also, if I am bussing, don't you agree you should be lynching Cool TL to prove your theory? Wouldn't this be a win/win situation?
Someone isn't reading the thread.
He then continued to talk to GB, and actually replied to something GB said 20 MINUTES after the claim rescind:
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
On October 02 2015 02:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 01:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
Ok, maybe I was angry and focused on the wrong thing, but you do see the problem in your thought process?
Ive bolded what I thought was stupid, not the whole post
No, I don't really see what's wrong. You could have just killed scott during Night and buy town cred from coolTL.
So Moosy is straigth up lying about not seeing GB rescinding his claim.
2. Moosy doesn't know roleblocker can block KP
On October 06 2015 00:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: So does anyone want to give me some coaching advice on what the point of a town roleblocker is? I guess it's helpful against the Mafia framer? But then my reason for existing kind of died when Damdred claimed.
Well, if he had bothered to read the OP, he would have seen that KP are roleblockable. There is no way a roleblocker does not bother reading his role. (=
And we can add: 3. He knows I'm blue, and didn't try to call me mafia.
4. If you think there is the possibility he's right, you think there is the possibility I'm fakeclaiming So you would think that I had a 1 shot roleblocker breadcrumbed in my first post just in case this exact situation happens.
1. He skips posts a lot of times. He could genuinely skipped my post
2. He may really not have read his role. I don't know what levels stupidity can reach
3. We don't know how many roles Mafia has. We already know Mafia has a roleblocker and a strongman AND a Miller was in the game. Two power roles and two lesser roles may be a possibility
4. See above
OK. I can't accept all of that, especially together. You need to reread exactly this part where you rescinded your claim. Moosy posted 2 minutes after; he continued reading the thread and answered a post from you that was made 20 minutes after the claim. Now imagine Moosy has already decided to roleblock after your claim. He should be paying extra attention to what you're saying. In fact, he does; the post he did 2 minutes after your claim was a reply to you; and the posts after also talks about you. There is NO way Moosy as roleblocker doesn't notice the rescind. And I'm not arguing it's weird he roleblocked you even after the rescind; that would be understandable. But he claimed he did not know you rescinded your claim to justify the roleblock on you. And, as demonstrated above, that is not possible.
On October 06 2015 00:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: Let me explain this nicely.
D1 - First time as roleblocker cool. N1 - GB claims roleblocker. - Well fuck you GB. Since he was lurking and acting somewhat scummy, I’ll just roleblock him. D2 - I don’t even know what the point of this role is lol. - GB says his claim was not serious. - Okay, well maybe his claim was NAI. N2 - LS looks scummy and inactive so I’ll just roleblock him. D3 - Trfel died. - Oh, well there’s no point in killing Trfel unless they were trying to blue hunt. Which means they’re looking for me lel. Only reason they would try to blue hunt is if they’re scared of something blue did. I blocked GB N1 which might mean I did something good and GB's scum.
On October 06 2015 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: he said his claim is not real on N1...
On October 06 2015 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: he said his claim is not real on N1...
Well, I didn't read his claim until it was too late. I also doubt I would have changed my roleblock anyway. I have no idea how to use this role and it would have been too much of a bother to PM all three hosts again.
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
So your lynch candidates are coolTLname AND the two persons that voted him before you ? And these two persons being: - the one that was the first to put suspicions on coolTLname - the one that didn't want to switch from coolTLname even with a counter claim ???????????
I gave explanation for GB. My point on you still stands. I do not see you pushing on coolTL at all.
Your point on me is true, so I can't say anything about that. But if you think coolTLname is scum, this GB's read is retarded. He was trying to get people to lynch coolTLname over scott! If he was mafia he would shut up and let things happen
hm...I'm actually thinking of dropping the GB read purely because coolTL said he was tunneling on rsoul. He probably just doesn't know the definitions to things.
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID
lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.
I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?
Looking for that I found a post 1 hour of start of D2 where he knows you retracted your claim:
On October 02 2015 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: GlowingBear i assume you blocked LS right?
Silly rayn
??
did he retract from his claim?
gb is obviously never really claiming at night rofl
also gb did retract his claim
So added to the things above (posting 2 minutes after the rescind, talking to you, replying to a post you made 20 minutes after your rescind), that post saying he did not know you rescinded your claim before the end of the night is laughable.
So Moosy is fakeclaiming. There are also a bunch of other reasons that makes him mafia outside of his claim. I compiled them somewhere when LS asked me about that. Shining is also mafia because of a bunch of reasons I also linked somewhere + he's being attacked by everybody but rsoultin and he's not doing anything. Now THAT is a mafia bused attitude, compared to coolTLname's. p: I know for sure that Moosy is fakeclaiming, but Shining is mafia and I'm OK lynching the both of them in any order. After the night the game will be solved.
...you didn't react at all to GB's RB claim, given a ctrl+f through your filter
(i could be wrong, so just quote if i am, cause that's an imperfect method but i don't have time for a more thorough one this morning)
why?
md had a pretty strong scumread on him. also given the exact timing of the post you keep quoting, i can easily see him overlooking the rescind so eh
like i admit your case was convincing enough for me to skim back through moosy's and gb's posts n1
also the shining reasoning is flawed. that he's completely absent does make him more prone to being bussed, but if he were town you don't think they'd push that as an easy ml as well? like sure he could be mafia but it's not because everyone wants to lynch an afk player
ye, no reaction really at all to gb's claim? just a fight with md over him reading gb scum?
i dunnae rels...like i was mason in a recent game and hf, who has fake-claimed mason before as town, fake-claims, and he was immediately in my line of sight as i tried to figure out if that was coming from town or not. even with good reason to think he'd fake-claim i couldn't help but be suspicious
also i don't see why, if you're so convinced you're the only rb'er, you're bothering saying shining is scum! too
it's like...eh. you should be pushing hard for an md lynch if you're that convinced? you could be wrong on shining but in your mind you've completely dismissed the possibility that there could be a second roleblocker so md is 100% scum to you and should 100% be the only person you want lynched today rather than rolling the dice with an afker
he says there could be two, and i'm actually inclined to believe your assessment that this is too town-favored even though you're only claiming 1-shot and had the detectives not outed each other you could be interfering with them as well, so at least in his mind i can see not pushing you but you don't believe that
Funny thing is I already explained why I did what I did to Rels. And 85% of the stuff in Rels' "cases" are laughable. But he can keep on being bad. -pats on head- Just let me know when you're ready to actually start scumhunting Rels.
And if you say there can't be two roleblockers, then I basically know you're claiming Mafia right now.
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
So your lynch candidates are coolTLname AND the two persons that voted him before you ? And these two persons being: - the one that was the first to put suspicions on coolTLname - the one that didn't want to switch from coolTLname even with a counter claim ???????????
I gave explanation for GB. My point on you still stands. I do not see you pushing on coolTL at all.
Your point on me is true, so I can't say anything about that. But if you think coolTLname is scum, this GB's read is retarded. He was trying to get people to lynch coolTLname over scott! If he was mafia he would shut up and let things happen
hm...I'm actually thinking of dropping the GB read purely because coolTL said he was tunneling on rsoul. He probably just doesn't know the definitions to things.
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID
lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.
I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?
Looking for that I found a post 1 hour of start of D2 where he knows you retracted your claim:
On October 02 2015 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: GlowingBear i assume you blocked LS right?
Silly rayn
??
did he retract from his claim?
gb is obviously never really claiming at night rofl
also gb did retract his claim
So added to the things above (posting 2 minutes after the rescind, talking to you, replying to a post you made 20 minutes after your rescind), that post saying he did not know you rescinded your claim before the end of the night is laughable.
lol stop misrepresenting my play Rels. If you think that's a defense of GB that's very laughable. That's actually one of the reasons why I had a scum read on you.
I came into the thread saying the team was coolTL/GB off of a busing strat and you literally hard defended GB. Then for some reason you started pointing out scummy things about GB even after defending him.
This was not me defending GB. This was me saying you looked scummy as fuck for all of a sudden switching your read on GB. And this is exactly why this is town!Rels. Only he can be so oblivious as to what's really going on between the lines and claim ridiculous stuff like this.
Literally the only reason why I'm not pointing out obvious stuff like the above is because Rels will come into the thread and WIFOM some seperate Mafia motivation for me because when he's tunneled he always believes he's right. smh.
things that make his claim false - lack of reaction to GB's roleblocker claim - 1-shot not claiming at start of day...he's expended his RB and can narrow the lynch pool. this is always the best play - rels' response to md's claim - first he goes to "check" on the rescind and even asks rayn why rels isn't blue - determination to see md lynched cause their "can't be two rb'rs! ^ one of these two things is not like the other. there's no reason for him to hide if he's really 1-shot, so he should have instantaneously cc'd if he believes the second point. he didn't
regarding md...there is no scum-motivated reason to say that there could be two rb's...even if you go, oh, he's afraid! the simple truth is that lynching a town roleblocker ends the game for scum. there's nothing to be afraid of. yolo. him or me. fight to the death. secondly, leaving the true town roleblocker alive gives him a chance to catch out scum, and there's no way for scum to know if rels' 1-shot claim is true or not - plus he actually did react to gb and scumread him - plus he claimed in lylo, which is the correct move, and he did it while not under pressure
rels is mafia and if he isn't the game ends today, which is just as well
lynch rels with me for ultimate glory! either i recover this game for y'all, or i go out with an awesome bang of stupidness! we will call it the rsoul crusade! gird your loins, gents, draw your swords, and obtain everlasting glory!
EPT
