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On October 05 2015 21:47 LightningStrike wrote:
Something to note on Newbie Student Mafia XI: He did push for a Fake)Plant lynch before Fake)Plant had replaced out. He did default to a Geript lynch since he wasn't around EoD 1 there on Page 4 of his filter but then he played like his normal(I think). On New Personality he didn't really do much except for some mini cases until Night 2. so I can confirm that.
OK thanks. Now why do you think of Moosy playing Newbie XI and obsing personality, but still scumreading me because I'm not pushing my lynch hard enough ?
On October 05 2015 20:12 Rels wrote:MoosyDoosy's reasons for scumreading me are partly based on meta that are easily disproved by a meta check; and Moosy read the town games that disproved this metaShow nested quote +On October 05 2015 04:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Rels - Completely different from how he normally acts. When pursuing a scum read, he drops it immediately after one explanation which is very uncharacteristic of Rels. He also changes around his story to match the situation. There is no way that screaming about a person's supposedly scummy behavior is supposed to be a "town read". The whole time he was arguing with me, he continuously tried to fish for things as well. At this point, his scum read on me is forced. The part about "I should be playing smarter and push scumreads harder" are dismissed for the same reasons I've explained here. ResumeShow nested quote +On October 05 2015 19:25 Rels wrote:Most of this is based on the fact I should be playing smarter, and I should push my reads harder. This could be a valid accusation if I was always playing like that as town. But a simple meta check on my past games would have made her doubt. In two games where I was town, I didn't push my scumreads hard, and almost got lynched for that in both games. Newbie student Mafia XI => Day 1, I didn't hard push a scumread, defaulting to geript because I wasn't available at deadline. I was almost lynched D1 for that; if batsnacks hadn't found a non existent "slip" on geript, I would have been the lynch. That changed D2 when I started to play like usual. The New Personality Mafia => Day 1, I didn't do shit. I was suspected heavily and almost lynched D2 for that; if yamato wasn't jester and rayn didn't create a stupid reason to townread yamato and hammer me, I was probably dead. That changed EOD2 when I started playing like usual. And in the only game I was mafia: Season of the Witch 2 => Day 1, I was the driving force on Dandel's push, and managed to get him mislynched. BUTContrary to rsoultin, I know for a fact Moosy read the two town games referenced above. He was: - playing in Newbie XI- obsing the first days of personalitySo Moosy should know I can act like that as town. Especially if I don't have the time to play at deadline, as it was the case both Newbie XI and in this game.
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On October 05 2015 21:53 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 21:50 Rels wrote:On October 05 2015 21:48 Rels wrote:On October 05 2015 21:45 rsoultin wrote:
hn...i dunnae maybe that's not completely solid is it?
rels can't be scum with md cause d2
gb can't be scum with shining cause d2
one could be erroneously townreading the other, though
so actually it's rels or md....and then shining or gb
so i think today we have to decide between shining and gb to vote cause rayn's an ass and has decided for us by voting right out the gate, while not doing anything else other than looking for rsoul scumslips @.@ On October 05 2015 21:42 rsoultin wrote:
we either lynch into gb/rels or shining/md
that's two scum right there lol >< that's not making sense If GB can't be scum with Shining and GB can't be scum with Rels and Rels can't be scum with Moosy Then your scumteam is Shining / Rels Oh you meant the team were either GB / Rels or GB / Shining My bad -squints at- no i mean exactly what i said? you or md is mafia gb or shining is mafia but sl is voting for shining. the thing is, that matters less now than if he ends that way, cause he can just move his vote last minute this is annoying >< like if i could get rayn to vote for sl we'd be fine but he won't cause he's been tunneled on me all game so he's going to sit there crowing that he's right till the end of time
Then I don't understand this two sentences:
On October 05 2015 21:42 rsoultin wrote:
we either lynch into gb/rels or shining/md
that's two scum right there lol ><
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On October 05 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 21:53 Rels wrote:On October 05 2015 21:47 LightningStrike wrote:
Something to note on Newbie Student Mafia XI: He did push for a Fake)Plant lynch before Fake)Plant had replaced out. He did default to a Geript lynch since he wasn't around EoD 1 there on Page 4 of his filter but then he played like his normal(I think). On New Personality he didn't really do much except for some mini cases until Night 2. so I can confirm that. OK thanks. Now why do you think of Moosy playing Newbie XI and obsing personality, but still scumreading me because I'm not pushing my lynch hard enough ? On October 05 2015 20:12 Rels wrote:MoosyDoosy's reasons for scumreading me are partly based on meta that are easily disproved by a meta check; and Moosy read the town games that disproved this metaOn October 05 2015 04:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Rels - Completely different from how he normally acts. When pursuing a scum read, he drops it immediately after one explanation which is very uncharacteristic of Rels. He also changes around his story to match the situation. There is no way that screaming about a person's supposedly scummy behavior is supposed to be a "town read". The whole time he was arguing with me, he continuously tried to fish for things as well. At this point, his scum read on me is forced. The part about "I should be playing smarter and push scumreads harder" are dismissed for the same reasons I've explained here. ResumeOn October 05 2015 19:25 Rels wrote:Most of this is based on the fact I should be playing smarter, and I should push my reads harder. This could be a valid accusation if I was always playing like that as town. But a simple meta check on my past games would have made her doubt. In two games where I was town, I didn't push my scumreads hard, and almost got lynched for that in both games. Newbie student Mafia XI => Day 1, I didn't hard push a scumread, defaulting to geript because I wasn't available at deadline. I was almost lynched D1 for that; if batsnacks hadn't found a non existent "slip" on geript, I would have been the lynch. That changed D2 when I started to play like usual. The New Personality Mafia => Day 1, I didn't do shit. I was suspected heavily and almost lynched D2 for that; if yamato wasn't jester and rayn didn't create a stupid reason to townread yamato and hammer me, I was probably dead. That changed EOD2 when I started playing like usual. And in the only game I was mafia: Season of the Witch 2 => Day 1, I was the driving force on Dandel's push, and managed to get him mislynched. BUTContrary to rsoultin, I know for a fact Moosy read the two town games referenced above. He was: - playing in Newbie XI- obsing the first days of personalitySo Moosy should know I can act like that as town. Especially if I don't have the time to play at deadline, as it was the case both Newbie XI and in this game. Sometimes people do forget and sometimes people misrepresent people although normally not on purpose and I see you think he's misrepresenting you correct? If so does that make him town or mafia?
That makes him mafia because the situation in both game were similar. In both games, I didn't push my scumread D1, but I voted on a mislynch.
In particular it is very similar to Newbie XI, which he was playing in. I defaulted to geript and left the thread. Exactly like D1 here, where I defaulted to coolTLname and left the thread. So him saying I'm mafia partly because I didn't push my scumreads hard enough is him using meta that he should know is false.
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On October 05 2015 22:03 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 22:00 Rels wrote:On October 05 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:On October 05 2015 21:53 Rels wrote:On October 05 2015 21:47 LightningStrike wrote:
Something to note on Newbie Student Mafia XI: He did push for a Fake)Plant lynch before Fake)Plant had replaced out. He did default to a Geript lynch since he wasn't around EoD 1 there on Page 4 of his filter but then he played like his normal(I think). On New Personality he didn't really do much except for some mini cases until Night 2. so I can confirm that. OK thanks. Now why do you think of Moosy playing Newbie XI and obsing personality, but still scumreading me because I'm not pushing my lynch hard enough ? On October 05 2015 20:12 Rels wrote:MoosyDoosy's reasons for scumreading me are partly based on meta that are easily disproved by a meta check; and Moosy read the town games that disproved this metaOn October 05 2015 04:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Rels - Completely different from how he normally acts. When pursuing a scum read, he drops it immediately after one explanation which is very uncharacteristic of Rels. He also changes around his story to match the situation. There is no way that screaming about a person's supposedly scummy behavior is supposed to be a "town read". The whole time he was arguing with me, he continuously tried to fish for things as well. At this point, his scum read on me is forced. The part about "I should be playing smarter and push scumreads harder" are dismissed for the same reasons I've explained here. ResumeOn October 05 2015 19:25 Rels wrote:Most of this is based on the fact I should be playing smarter, and I should push my reads harder. This could be a valid accusation if I was always playing like that as town. But a simple meta check on my past games would have made her doubt. In two games where I was town, I didn't push my scumreads hard, and almost got lynched for that in both games. Newbie student Mafia XI => Day 1, I didn't hard push a scumread, defaulting to geript because I wasn't available at deadline. I was almost lynched D1 for that; if batsnacks hadn't found a non existent "slip" on geript, I would have been the lynch. That changed D2 when I started to play like usual. The New Personality Mafia => Day 1, I didn't do shit. I was suspected heavily and almost lynched D2 for that; if yamato wasn't jester and rayn didn't create a stupid reason to townread yamato and hammer me, I was probably dead. That changed EOD2 when I started playing like usual. And in the only game I was mafia: Season of the Witch 2 => Day 1, I was the driving force on Dandel's push, and managed to get him mislynched. BUTContrary to rsoultin, I know for a fact Moosy read the two town games referenced above. He was: - playing in Newbie XI- obsing the first days of personalitySo Moosy should know I can act like that as town. Especially if I don't have the time to play at deadline, as it was the case both Newbie XI and in this game. Sometimes people do forget and sometimes people misrepresent people although normally not on purpose and I see you think he's misrepresenting you correct? If so does that make him town or mafia? That makes him mafia because the situation in both game were similar. In both games, I didn't push my scumread D1, but I voted on a mislynch. In particular it is very similar to Newbie XI, which he was playing in. I defaulted to geript and left the thread. Exactly like D1 here, where I defaulted to coolTLname and left the thread. So him saying I'm mafia partly because I didn't push my scumreads hard enough is him using meta that he should know is false. Okay anything else on why MD is mafia?
yes and you should have read it if you read the thread ?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?page=208#4150
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?page=211#4217
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?page=212#4223
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?page=212#4224
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On October 05 2015 22:07 rsoultin wrote:
eh whatever i'm concentrating on determining who is scum between gb and shining today
will reread myself, make a judgment, vote for scum and apologize if i'm wrong and that ends the game...and for all our sakes i do hope i'm wrong on shining cause otherwise rayn is throwing
-_- not really anything for it
unless I'm wrong, there is 0 chance you have to apologize, since there are both scum (=
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On October 05 2015 22:08 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 22:07 rsoultin wrote:
eh whatever i'm concentrating on determining who is scum between gb and shining today
will reread myself, make a judgment, vote for scum and apologize if i'm wrong and that ends the game...and for all our sakes i do hope i'm wrong on shining cause otherwise rayn is throwing
-_- not really anything for it unless I'm wrong, there is 0 chance you have to apologize, since there are both scum (=
fuck I thought you said moosy or shining
yes there is a chance you're apologizing then
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On October 05 2015 22:11 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 22:08 Rels wrote:On October 05 2015 22:07 rsoultin wrote:
eh whatever i'm concentrating on determining who is scum between gb and shining today
will reread myself, make a judgment, vote for scum and apologize if i'm wrong and that ends the game...and for all our sakes i do hope i'm wrong on shining cause otherwise rayn is throwing
-_- not really anything for it unless I'm wrong, there is 0 chance you have to apologize, since there are both scum (= if you're town, rels...and i am entertaining the possibility that you could be...can you please try to reread both gb and shining without bias like i'm trying to? i need someone to talk to @.@ rayn would be the obvious choice but i can't for obvious reasons
I don't think I can for Shining, I've read his filter several times and I'm pretty sure he's mafia. I'm here to talk though
I'm reading GB's filter right now
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On October 05 2015 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote
##vote rsoultin
IF YOU ARE TOWN GET YOUR VOTE THERE ASAP!!!
I will expain later when i have time.
No. That is exactly how I won season of the witch; yelling at people to vote BM.
I'm pretty sure Shining and Moosy are mafia. rsoultin could be the third, but I'm never voting her over those two if you don't explain
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On October 05 2015 22:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Please.
rsoultin is mafai and when she flips mafia there are no more "what if's"
If we lynch Shining sure, he'll flip mafia aswell but there will be "what if's".
oh that is a incredibly detailed case, let me sheep it
not
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On October 05 2015 22:15 rsoultin wrote:
vote for sicklucker
he's sure scum
if we can get 3 on sicklucker first then scum can't do anything ^^
game solved lol
I see how you would want to do that from your POV
the problem here is I'm not sure if sicklucker or you is mafia. Or LS BTW, if you're town, you could be wrong on both LS and Shining.
So no. We're voting for the two scummiest guys
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On October 05 2015 22:17 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 22:16 Rels wrote:On October 05 2015 22:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Please.
rsoultin is mafai and when she flips mafia there are no more "what if's"
If we lynch Shining sure, he'll flip mafia aswell but there will be "what if's". oh that is a incredibly detailed case, let me sheep it not he's saying that i should have voted sicklucker cause sicklucker has to be scum to me and he's right lol >< not that i'm mafia but that i'm slow as fuck some days
fuck Trfel said exactly that as a reason you could be mafia
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He said this exactly:
On October 04 2015 07:18 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 07:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 04 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:
Mafia team is MoosyDoosy, sicklucker, and The Shining. Possibly rsoultin, but probably not because that would mean that I sort of did something right. I hope it's not LightningStrike.
Final answer, barring a thought or two that I'm keeping to myself. ^^^ Pursue that starting with me please. Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:
so...we're down 4
should be down 5 unless something unexpected happens by EoN
that's 8 players
5v3...yeah fuck -_- Seriously, how are you so far behind me? You are NEVER behind me. I'm always the one lagging behind you. Okay, you're mafia.
rayn, I also think rsoultin has a good chance to be mafia. But sicklucker and LS are also super scummy. LS did not do much until today; I admit him going though my past games is a town point. But SL lied about you and him being the first to push coolTLname; and more than that, he's super all over the place, not having direction.
What I'm saying is:
rsoultin could be mafia.
But Shining and Moosy are 99% mafia.
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On October 05 2015 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 22:06 Rels wrote:On October 05 2015 22:03 LightningStrike wrote:On October 05 2015 22:00 Rels wrote:On October 05 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:On October 05 2015 21:53 Rels wrote:On October 05 2015 21:47 LightningStrike wrote:
Something to note on Newbie Student Mafia XI: He did push for a Fake)Plant lynch before Fake)Plant had replaced out. He did default to a Geript lynch since he wasn't around EoD 1 there on Page 4 of his filter but then he played like his normal(I think). On New Personality he didn't really do much except for some mini cases until Night 2. so I can confirm that. OK thanks. Now why do you think of Moosy playing Newbie XI and obsing personality, but still scumreading me because I'm not pushing my lynch hard enough ? On October 05 2015 20:12 Rels wrote:MoosyDoosy's reasons for scumreading me are partly based on meta that are easily disproved by a meta check; and Moosy read the town games that disproved this metaOn October 05 2015 04:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Rels - Completely different from how he normally acts. When pursuing a scum read, he drops it immediately after one explanation which is very uncharacteristic of Rels. He also changes around his story to match the situation. There is no way that screaming about a person's supposedly scummy behavior is supposed to be a "town read". The whole time he was arguing with me, he continuously tried to fish for things as well. At this point, his scum read on me is forced. The part about "I should be playing smarter and push scumreads harder" are dismissed for the same reasons I've explained here. ResumeOn October 05 2015 19:25 Rels wrote:Most of this is based on the fact I should be playing smarter, and I should push my reads harder. This could be a valid accusation if I was always playing like that as town. But a simple meta check on my past games would have made her doubt. In two games where I was town, I didn't push my scumreads hard, and almost got lynched for that in both games. Newbie student Mafia XI => Day 1, I didn't hard push a scumread, defaulting to geript because I wasn't available at deadline. I was almost lynched D1 for that; if batsnacks hadn't found a non existent "slip" on geript, I would have been the lynch. That changed D2 when I started to play like usual. The New Personality Mafia => Day 1, I didn't do shit. I was suspected heavily and almost lynched D2 for that; if yamato wasn't jester and rayn didn't create a stupid reason to townread yamato and hammer me, I was probably dead. That changed EOD2 when I started playing like usual. And in the only game I was mafia: Season of the Witch 2 => Day 1, I was the driving force on Dandel's push, and managed to get him mislynched. BUTContrary to rsoultin, I know for a fact Moosy read the two town games referenced above. He was: - playing in Newbie XI- obsing the first days of personalitySo Moosy should know I can act like that as town. Especially if I don't have the time to play at deadline, as it was the case both Newbie XI and in this game. Sometimes people do forget and sometimes people misrepresent people although normally not on purpose and I see you think he's misrepresenting you correct? If so does that make him town or mafia? That makes him mafia because the situation in both game were similar. In both games, I didn't push my scumread D1, but I voted on a mislynch. In particular it is very similar to Newbie XI, which he was playing in. I defaulted to geript and left the thread. Exactly like D1 here, where I defaulted to coolTLname and left the thread. So him saying I'm mafia partly because I didn't push my scumreads hard enough is him using meta that he should know is false. Okay anything else on why MD is mafia? yes and you should have read it if you read the thread ? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?page=208#4150http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?page=211#4217http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?page=212#4223http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?page=212#4224 So TLDR: His static read on Shining doesn't make sense. Weird way of thinking of the coolTLname lynching him regard of coolTLname's alignment. Lying about being the first one to push coolTLname. Calling you mafia for bad reasons plus misrepresenting your meta. That what pretty why you scumreading him?
Yes exactly (=
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On October 05 2015 22:26 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 22:24 Rels wrote:He said this exactly: On October 04 2015 07:18 Trfel wrote:On October 04 2015 07:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 04 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:
Mafia team is MoosyDoosy, sicklucker, and The Shining. Possibly rsoultin, but probably not because that would mean that I sort of did something right. I hope it's not LightningStrike.
Final answer, barring a thought or two that I'm keeping to myself. ^^^ Pursue that starting with me please. On October 04 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:
so...we're down 4
should be down 5 unless something unexpected happens by EoN
that's 8 players
5v3...yeah fuck -_- Seriously, how are you so far behind me? You are NEVER behind me. I'm always the one lagging behind you. Okay, you're mafia. rayn, I also think rsoultin has a good chance to be mafia. But sicklucker and LS are also super scummy. LS did not do much until today; I admit him going though my past games is a town point. But SL lied about you and him being the first to push coolTLname; and more than that, he's super all over the place, not having direction. What I'm saying is: rsoultin could be mafia. But Shining and Moosy are 99% mafia. lol >< yeah it's not like he really meant it though? i mean y'all can vote me for being stupid it's wonderfully ironic but if rayn is really not moving YOU HAVE TO VOTE BETWEEN ME AND SICKLUCKER ><
rayn said exactly the same thing before. He ended up switching his vote to you. I'm pretty sure he will switch to Shining or Moosy to consolidate.
Or maybe I'll end up switching to you or sicklucker if a damning case is made
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On October 05 2015 22:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 22:24 Rels wrote:
What I'm saying is:
rsoultin could be mafia.
But Shining and Moosy are 99% mafia. ls is not mafia, sl is not mafia.
why SL isn't mafia ?
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OK I've said why I thought rsoultin could be mafia. I only forgot to check one thing; I think she said D1 that we should not lynch Shining because he wasn't playing Monday / Tuesday; and she repeated it N2 or start of D3. Will do that now.
rayn I'm not seeing how rsoultin being "slow" is scum indicative. But the fact that Trfel 1. remarked the same thing and 2. died the next night is making me wonder about that
Then I'll need to do a sicklucker filter dive. rayn, I don't see how you can state he's not mafia, unless you're doing an associative read with rsoultin
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On October 05 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 22:33 Rels wrote:
OK I've said why I thought rsoultin could be mafia. I only forgot to check one thing; I think she said D1 that we should not lynch Shining because he wasn't playing Monday / Tuesday; and she repeated it N2 or start of D3. Will do that now.
rayn I'm not seeing how rsoultin being "slow" is scum indicative. But the fact that Trfel 1. remarked the same thing and 2. died the next night is making me wonder about that
Then I'll need to do a sicklucker filter dive. rayn, I don't see how you can state he's not mafia, unless you're doing an associative read with rsoultin ... dude truffle was obviously townreading me last night there's no way that if i'm scum i nk'd him for his read on me >< he said ls and shining were town because he trusted me for god's sake >< like if you want to call me scum it can never be for this
yeah but he called you out on the exact thing rayn is doing right now. And I'm not seeing how that makes anyone mafia, so that must be a meta based read.
anyway I'm asking that to rayn, of course you're going to deny it, as town or mafia.
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On October 05 2015 22:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:On October 05 2015 22:33 Rels wrote:
OK I've said why I thought rsoultin could be mafia. I only forgot to check one thing; I think she said D1 that we should not lynch Shining because he wasn't playing Monday / Tuesday; and she repeated it N2 or start of D3. Will do that now.
rayn I'm not seeing how rsoultin being "slow" is scum indicative. But the fact that Trfel 1. remarked the same thing and 2. died the next night is making me wonder about that
Then I'll need to do a sicklucker filter dive. rayn, I don't see how you can state he's not mafia, unless you're doing an associative read with rsoultin ... dude truffle was obviously townreading me last night there's no way that if i'm scum i nk'd him for his read on me >< he said ls and shining were town because he trusted me for god's sake >< like if you want to call me scum it can never be for this yeah but he called you out on the exact thing rayn is doing right now. And I'm not seeing how that makes anyone mafia, so that must be a meta based read. anyway I'm asking that to rayn, of course you're going to deny it, as town or mafia.
actually I'm asking that to LS too. LS what's your pick on that ?
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On October 05 2015 22:41 rsoultin wrote:
like seriously if you want to check meta, rels
check how many fucking times rayn has tunneled me when we're both town for me saying something that's "stupid" and me being too smart to do it ><
down under 3 is in my profile -_-
i thought there was another one though...was it slam's game? eh i'm not sure anymore maybe it was just one @.@
stop answering questions that are not for you - -'
I don't care if rayn has tunneled you before. I know very well he can tunnel on town, hell in season of the witch I used a tunnel of his to instant majority BM
I do care about this "slow to evaluated stuff" meta point. I'm intrigued because Trfel, confirmed town and super smart guy, said exactly the same thing. So I want explanation for either rayn or LS. LS would be better as I would be sure he's not tunneled
Please let people answer the questions they have been asked
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On October 05 2015 22:33 Rels wrote:
OK I've said why I thought rsoultin could be mafia. I only forgot to check one thing; I think she said D1 that we should not lynch Shining because he wasn't playing Monday / Tuesday; and she repeated it N2 or start of D3. Will do that now.
About the Monday / Tuesday stuff: I was wrong, she didn't defend Shining D1 when marv wanted to switch to him.
She said this D3:
On October 05 2015 10:08 rsoultin wrote:
so of three possible scum people want to vote the guy who doesn't have time on monday and tuesday to play
brilliant
it's a good scum move, though, not letting him defend himself ^^
rayn -_- i swear to god if shining's town and i think he is...even if he's scum really...and you just random your damn vote in fucking lylo i will be very, very upset with you
and you will never have any right again to complain about anyone playing badly or poorly when you are willfully throwing the game right now
at least do us the courtesy, if we're going to lose in lylo, of losing because you're voting for someone you actually believe is scum ><
I thought it was bad because I thought she used the exact same argument D1. She didn't though.
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