Battle of the Drams Mafia - Page 160

On October 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So here it is. Please read the whole thing because it's actually relevant to this game in other ways aswell.
First i give you some examples;

A while ago i tried to convince a town to lynch someone because they said "this guy is scum because he is pocketing rayn, but i don't think rayn is necessarily town". You might remember the game... I don't actually think anyone in the game really got my reasoning for why it was obvious the guy was mafia, while it was like "i have this pie here. i am eating it with my spoon. If i have taken away the spoon from the table, it's impossible that guy ate the pie with a spoon. If he claims so afterwards, he is a liar." Really obvious? Mmmm.. apparently it wasn't.

Some year(s) ago i made a case on a guy who did the following; First they called someone out on p20. Then afk. Then i asked for their case. They said: "Here is my case [reasoning from page 30-40]". It is obvious that the dude is mafia because it's literally impossible he has thought someone is scum on p20 if his case doesn't have a simple scummy thing on that guy before p20. Seems like a simple thing? Mmm.. guess what, i had to argue for about 20 pages why it is obvious, hell MAFIA ARGUED FOR ME (yes, his scumbuddies) why it is obvious that guy is mafia. I had to draw a fucking mspaint picture to clarify why it is impossible the dude is NOT lying because apparently my words are somehow unclear...

Now let's go to this game, i have a couple of examples. The first one, maybe easier to understand is this:
rayn: TLname the votes piled up on you because scott claimed
TLname: no, i had 7 votes before scott claimed
rayn: [here is proof why you are lying]
rayn: explain
TLname: ......
.....
TLname: i had 7 votes before scott / damdred / cc
rayn: it does not work like that, explain why you are lying
rsoultin:

the thing here is that [u]was not the original argument. I consider rsoultin one of the smartest people in this game. If one of the smartest people fails to realize / doesn't even care what i write / (or twists things around which i believe is the case here -- and noone even calls her out for it) in the first place, how am i supposed to think other people do?

Another one:
J Roc: rayn bussed sicklucker here
rayn: i don't unnecessary bus and everyone knows it, this would be an unnecessary bus, so you are just straight out lying
Trfel: but rayn you bus
Damdred: yeah you bussed there in the game Trfel pointed out.
rayn: what the fuck is this bullshit Damdred, you were in the game?!?!?
rsoultin: Damdred is factually correct.

In fact Damdred is NOT factually correct here. Even if he believes i unnecessary bussed there, that is not the point. The point is the I DON'T BELIEVE IT and i have clearly expressed it in many occasions. The question becomes to; "rayn himself thinks he doesn't unnecessary bus. would this interaction with sl here be an unnecessary bus in his opinion? If yes, then J Roc's "case" is invalid. If no, then rayn could be mafia for what J Roc says".

And that was the point of the argument, not if anyone else than me does/doesn't think if i unnecessary bussed in some other game. I can understand someone having a different view from the XXX game, but saying "Damdred's argument is factually correct" is just bullshit, because it doesn't have anything to with the original argument.

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It brings me to this:

If i get shot here the following will happen. My reads are proven to be legit, as in a sense that i actually believe in what i am saying (as in i am confirmed not mafia). When this happens, me, and everyone knows marv WILL actually go read what i wrote about people and will evaluate if he thinks i was right or not. He definitely did not do that during N1, so actually NOONE knows where he stood by the end of the night phase. Marv is way more persuasive than i am. It is a fact, just because apparently my writing skills are the poorest on this site and often times i have to yell my lynches through -- which makes people ignore me. Marv also understands me. Therefore, if marv dies - regardless of if i am right or not - mafia has a person (rayn) alive, who is way more easier to ignore/discredit/what the fuck ever people are always doing than marv is. 100%.

And that is the reason why marv dying does not make me "wrong" like you suggest here GB. If i am 100% right on my reads and they are good, marv will read them in case i die, and it is 100% more likely he actually believes me than any other person in the game and actually gets those people lynched.

On October 02 2015 23:46 rsoultin wrote:
Later tonight before I go to bed. I told you all this at eod so yeah XP

But rayn is town, sl prob town though his reasoning isn't perfect

I think the look into others while lynching me thing from cool is rather townie

And trfel is currently my top suspect

On October 02 2015 23:47 GlowingBear wrote:


You remember a game where obi was Mafia and he got to LYLO after we lynched FirmTofu and clarity? In that game you've caught rsoultin in a failure of thought process similar here. She was town.

I understand everything you're saying here. I'm just asking you to take a step back and listen to rsoultin. You won't lose time by trying to see her coming from a town perspective. I understand what you get from the night kill but you know that Mafia could simply say "ok people are on the right track, kill Marv and keep Rayn alive". It is possible.

For instance, the shining could be Mafia. Marv was the only one looking into him. Maybe he is.
And maybe Moosy is Mafia. You also agree he has been shady.

And if all of this is correct, neither rsoultin and LS are Mafia. And you were on the wrong track.

I'm just simply asking you to reconsider things. We are already lynching cool TL today. We don't have to start a holy crusade yet

On October 02 2015 23:46 rsoultin wrote:
And trfel is currently my top suspect

On October 02 2015 11:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like, again, for ANYONE who is willing to do so i am telling this;

You can take any argument coolTLname has ever provided against me in this game and i will prove it is either a lie or him not reading the thread. If i can't do that, you can lynch me, hell i will even vote for myself. And do not twist shit if you are gonna argue with me about this.

So, any takers? If not, can we just lynch him?

On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:

- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary)
- yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70
- you are, logically, voting for coolname
- scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20
- marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30.
- Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.

Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?

I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.

On October 03 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:

lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So:
A. he's not reading the thread clearly
B. lack of focus on his scum reads

I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.

On October 03 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:

lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So:
A. he's not reading the thread clearly
B. lack of focus on his scum reads

I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.

On October 03 2015 00:56 Rels wrote:
really Moosy
I don't know your alignement
But I want you to get rid of this "Rels is attacking me for not being here at EOD"
So either accept it, or reread the part of the thread where it happened
If you attack me again with that I will get you lynched