Student Mafia XV

On October 09 2015 11:47 The Shining wrote:
I'll probably regret this.

/confirm...

On October 12 2015 06:19 The Shining wrote:
Oh and "I don't like this so far" & a quick "Oh you're right Celestial, he's lying and that post felt half assed so let me instavote" isn't you trying to get Obvious killed. It's a quick jump onto something someone else caught on someone you were suspicious of. You could even be spewing Obvious town here.

Now let me go eat and watch my kdrama in peace, Fecalscum @.@

On October 12 2015 06:06 The Shining wrote:
I hate doing list posts but it is what it is. This is what I get for starting late, I guess.

Town
Eversince - pretty active in the game with a clear train of thought in every direction she's going. Especially that WoT. I would be very surprised if newbie scum is taking notes and making point after point and being transparent in their reads. She also addresses almost everyone so far, and wants to lynch a few, so there's no buddying or pocketing from what I can see. I would like her to give a read on Stoicism, though, I don't remember seeing that.

Moosy - Town, methinks. I'm not really sure where Onegu got the idea that he was voting for OO for no reason after reading Moosys filter. It seemed to follow a solid train of thought and he mentioned OO and questioned him before voting him. I don't really like him admitting to actively lurking but its something I'll let slide for now because I agree with his OO read and I don't think scum would set themselves up to be scrutinized hard by admitting that.

Probably town
Kels - its mostly a toneread tbh but his honesty and willingness to answer ES even when he didn't have much to go off of just reads as townie to me. And his later post giving reads and giving thoughts on the Vivax - SL interaction looked good, and most of the reads correlate with mine.

Celestial - again I hate list posts but I know its her(are you a girl or did I make a fool of myself? o.o) style and the reads were actually fleshed out, both in the list post and the few posts afterwards. She also picked up on some of the same things from Moody's filter that I did, although admittedly some of that goes out the window once Moosy himself said he wasn't actively in the thread the way his filter made it seem. (Speaking of which, how the hell did he even do that? That's some voodoo or some shyt)

Null
Sicklucker - I felt like he was townie at times last game when I rolled scum with him lol. I've never been able to read him. If I read his filter on any other player, I'd probably lean slightly town but since it's SL, I'd much rather someone better than I could help me flesh this one out. I do like that he caught Vivaxs weird read on him but someone said last game that his reads were very SL-centric, which seems to be the case here, and he was scum.

Vivax - the SL are you drunk thing was weird and I found myself agreeing with ES's request to post something of value. However, he stepped it up a bit after and considering I think both OO and Fecal could be scum, I have trouble thinking he'd be bussing either. I need to see more from him, though, before I can town him.

Onegu - somewhat bare filter. His VT claim is nai, he does it every game. He calls ES an RSoul smurf so he's aware of how ES is playing but I saw no read on ES. Then he tunnels into Moosy after hinting at not liking him early, then invites him for Marv. And comes back with a post saying he has nothing to comment on. But he hasn't commented on much to begin with. Moar reads a d do moar stuff pls, or this will shift into scum territory.

Stoicism - short filter with a few questions and poking at the thread, which I like. But he asked SL to discuss his Moosy read with him and was never heard from again. I need to see more from him.

Possible scum
FecalFeast - Super underwhelming. I found his joke post of "worried about appearance obvious mafia" kind of ironic since he states in his very next post that Vivax is as underwhelming as he is, which shows he is quite aware of how he looks in-thread. Also, most of his reads don't seem to lean very strongly either way which leaves a lot of wiggle room. Gums opening is awkward but not screaming scummy, wants OO to come back to confirm suspicion, Moosy is posting fine things but has the ability to play scum well. His eye is on vivax but he's just as bad. That's scumming yourself by default lol. And believing Vivaxs scum claim is just bad. I've seen vivax just roll over and die as scum but I haven't seen him outright claim it.

ObviousOne - I really hate self-meta so that's a negative for me. He isn't reading or paying attention, or he would've realized Celestials vote on me was pregame as a joke. Instead he misrepresents Celestial by saying she's voting the AWOL guy. His list post looked pretty yucky and he landed on Kelsier, one of my probtowns after making an unflipped association note between him and Celestial. But why is Kelsier a better lynch than Celestial? He doesn't say. And he says he could lynch Gumdrop waiting on reurn of the Jedi? But Marv is gone too but he's just being Marv. His reads just don't add up to me.

Marv - one page filter Marv in a newbie game is not town Marv. Super underwhelming and nothing of substance in his filter. He once asked if I was so unmotivated to solve the game as town and the answer was no becasue I was scum. Now I'm asking the same question. Why is he so unmotivated this late into a newbie game if he's town?

Plynch
Gumdrop - this one is pretty obvious and has been talk of the town so I won't go too much into it. Scum has trouble entering and participating in the thread, but from the game I played with Gumdrop, that one post isn't enough to be scum. It's more policy territory for me but I'd like to see if Gum actually gives us something to work with before jumping on that wagon.

On October 12 2015 07:34 The Shining wrote:


Except no one knew you noticed it until right now because you said absolutely nothing of worth or value regarding my post. And how is it adding nothing? It added a player with reads into the game that had absolutely no posts or thoughts beforehand. I'm sorry that most of what I would've caught in the process of the game, I couldn't because I wasn't around.

That was an amazing post regarding "so many things wrong" with my post. 10/10, would read again.

On October 12 2015 06:55 Eversince wrote:


So many thing wrong with this post.
I volunteer myself for much conversation with the propagator.

On October 12 2015 07:40 The Shining wrote:


Reads post has scumreads. Go read it.

##Vote: FecalFeast

Because I've got a case of the fuck its and I listed him first.

On October 12 2015 09:08 The Shining wrote:
I've never been a fan of day one or particularly good at it in these types of setups. I prefer VCAs and filter dives after the first flip. Unfortunately not playing D1 puts me at risk of being mislynched so I've tried to play but every time I do so, someone calls my posts bad so I resort to one liners and quips. I'm sorry if that's taking a toll on you, OO.

ES, I'm torn. On the one hand, I'm starting to get a sick satisfaction from your tunnel on me but on the other hand, Marv is one of my actual scumread. Why u do this to me??

Marv with a one page filter is not town Marv. He has the potential to lead and carry town when he actually cares about the game. He even raised suspicion on me when no one else would early in my last scum game. At the risk of you telling me I'm just reiterating what's already been said(Celestials post), it just doesn't look like town Marv.

His entrance is weak. His catch up post gets us nowhere(he's in love with you apparently) and he defends Gumdrop strangely, I.e. gumdrop does Gumdrop things when literally everyone else has Gum as scum or plynch. He says SLs reaction to you was totally beyond him, but doesn't say whether that makes SL scum or not. So another useless post.

And he apparently doesn't have any opinions outside of what I've just summarized, or else he would have offered them, which means he's not interested in solving the game. Not interested in solving the game = scum. He even said so himself last game.

On October 12 2015 09:08 The Shining wrote:
I've never been a fan of day one or particularly good at it in these types of setups. I prefer VCAs and filter dives after the first flip. Unfortunately not playing D1 puts me at risk of being mislynched so I've tried to play but every time I do so, someone calls my posts bad so I resort to one liners and quips. I'm sorry if that's taking a toll on you, OO.

ES, I'm torn. On the one hand, I'm starting to get a sick satisfaction from your tunnel on me but on the other hand, Marv is one of my actual scumread. Why u do this to me??

Marv with a one page filter is not town Marv. He has the potential to lead and carry town when he actually cares about the game. He even raised suspicion on me when no one else would early in my last scum game. At the risk of you telling me I'm just reiterating what's already been said(Celestials post), it just doesn't look like town Marv.

His entrance is weak. His catch up post gets us nowhere(he's in love with you apparently) and he defends Gumdrop strangely, I.e. gumdrop does Gumdrop things when literally everyone else has Gum as scum or plynch. He says SLs reaction to you was totally beyond him, but doesn't say whether that makes SL scum or not. So another useless post.

And he apparently doesn't have any opinions outside of what I've just summarized, or else he would have offered them, which means he's not interested in solving the game. Not interested in solving the game = scum. He even said so himself last game.

On October 12 2015 09:59 The Shining wrote:
It's simple maths. Whoever doesn't fight or isn't angry by D3 is obvscum.

On October 12 2015 10:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:
-Celestial-, are you a boy or girl? Sorry if you answered this earlier.

On October 12 2015 10:12 The Shining wrote:
I actually hate this recent meta thing where anger = town.

On October 12 2015 10:16 The Shining wrote:


Actually wasn't that the game you endgamed me in? e.e

On a game related note, I think I'm starting to warm up to the Marv lynch. He's still not here. And FF still isn't giving me the warm fuzzies but he's made some pretty logical counterarguments to what I've brought against him. So has OO, although I find it weird OO is defending someone who wants to lynch him.

But right now, Marv is a better lynch over FF.

On October 12 2015 09:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
OO's recent posts are good and I like them.

##unvote
##vote marvellosity

might as well lynch the obvious... one wait that wasn't intentional


shining you just called me out for saying moosey bused his whole team, then you say that mafia's wincon is to survive? By that logic, town's wincon is also to survive because if enough townies die the game ends...

On October 12 2015 10:43 Fecalfeast wrote:

hur dur oh noes you totally caught me wow such semantics


I literally said "I'm looking for my name" which, to me, implied that I was going to see how he read me. Seeing that I was beign read scum I looked at who else he called scum. I didn't even read WHY he called OO and marv scum

On October 12 2015 10:40 The Shining wrote:


Regardless of whether i agree with them or not, his point regarding getting both of his partners killed if my scumlist is correct is a good one. And his OO vote was something i did overlook when i scummed him, although i did explain how he could just switdh votes. But he did come off of OO pretty easily now that i look at it...

Like i said. I still dont have warm fuzzies about him, my vote is still on him but it also makes perfectly good sense to lynch the guy who did nothing and then fucked off when most here know his potential as town. I only havent switched to marv because Fecal did, which means I'm wrong on one of them but I'm still hoping Marv can show up and clear it up. But at least FF is responding to pressure

On October 12 2015 10:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:

okie that's what I expected although there's no reason to be so sarcastic over it. Please answer my other questions bb.

@Shining, was there a slight intention to pocket me in that list post of yours? Because something about your segment on me rubs me the wrong way and I normally do like rubbing. Also how you're saying you like me as town.

On October 12 2015 10:53 The Shining wrote:


Because I'm just too good to be wrong on every single scumread I have.

Realistically I could be wrong on both but I just don't think I am. Him showing up and bleeding town doesn't make you scum, though. The points I've brought against you make you scum. Lelelelele

On October 12 2015 10:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
And to commit to a read I am now calling OO towny

On October 12 2015 10:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
In his post he said I was scummy with OO and marv. Both people I have said I'm ok with killing. I was saying that seems like a bad strategy.

On October 12 2015 11:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
So Shining is voting for marv because he thinks marv is more scummy than FF although he believes that both are scum.

And FF is voting for marv because he changed his read on ObviousOne.

@FecalFeast, just one last question.


What is with this post?

On October 12 2015 10:16 The Shining wrote:


Actually wasn't that the game you endgamed me in? e.e

On a game related note, I think I'm starting to warm up to the Marv lynch. He's still not here. And FF still isn't giving me the warm fuzzies but he's made some pretty logical counterarguments to what I've brought against him. So has OO, although I find it weird OO is defending someone who wants to lynch him.

But right now, Marv is a better lynch over FF.

On October 12 2015 11:21 Fecalfeast wrote:
Possibly, I'm about 40 mins from closing shop however. Do you have a case or something other than compiling your filter? I'll read when I get home

On October 12 2015 11:24 The Shining wrote:


Because I don't want to vote with my scumread on another of my scumread when my first scumread has given me reasons to scum him.

But w.e do what you must. Gj on not paying attention, you didnt even know who I was voting. And yes Marv is probably the better lynch because he fucked off, whereas FF is playing but I have actual reasons to scum him. I'm following my personal read and gut over some meta bullshit because it can very well be wrong. But FF playing and posting could come from a town perspective but quite frankly idc anymore.

Everyone can keep scumming me all they want and eat a big fat...Snickers when I flip. We all know what I actually wanna say but I don't feel like getting warned.

On October 12 2015 11:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Just a brief summary but I'm writing up something right now. Basically he said everything on marv was perfect and worked out and said marv was a better lynch than FecalFeast. So I asked him how he read FecalFeast and he said scum. This meant that marv had to be more scummy to Shining than FecalFeast, but Shining kept his vote on FecalFeast while basically saying everything on marv was perfect. There's no reason for him to keep his vote on FecalFeast when he said that marv was a better lynch. I actually had my first suspicions because in our last game where he was scum, Shining made an excuse to switch his vote onto the popular wagon. Here, marv is turning out to be the popular wagon. Also, the fact that he's so conscious about his last game with me is strange in and of itself.

On October 12 2015 11:48 The Shining wrote:


Oh and lets not forget! Moosy just said I'm strangely conscious about last game in the same post HE MENTIONS SOMETHING ABOUT LAST GAME REGARDING ME. Guess I'm not the only one conscious of last game, hm? Hmmmmmmmm??

On October 12 2015 11:47 Eversince wrote:
Bear with me also. I was super mad earlier. I took a rest, still wakin' up from it.
Will catch up, but it might take me a min'.

On October 12 2015 11:54 The Shining wrote:


Nor is it my main counterpoint. But its the only one you decided to respond to. Why is that? It's funny that that is what sparked your suspicion, though, as it means you were aware of it from the beginning of my posting which means you're just as conscious of last game. So please explain to me how that is a scum tell. I'll give you a hint. It isn't.

On October 12 2015 11:54 The Shining wrote:


Nor is it my main counterpoint. But its the only one you decided to respond to. Why is that? It's funny that that is what sparked your suspicion, though, as it means you were aware of it from the beginning of my posting which means you're just as conscious of last game. So please explain to me how that is a scum tell. I'll give you a hint. It isn't.

On October 12 2015 12:06 The Shining wrote:
Case 10/10 best case 2015. Pls lynch the actively lurking Moosy after I flip town pls and thx

On October 12 2015 12:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
I mean, don't get me wrong, I like where your case is going moose. Shining's explanation of marv's meta being damning but his weak read on me being based on this game isn't terrible.

I don't like the rage coming from him though. IDK people say getting mad is a towny thing but I disagree

On October 12 2015 12:35 The Shining wrote:
Nah yall pissed me off, I'm just gonna troll out

ES says if you flip town pls don't then says lynching 100% right after. The bipolarity is outstanding. Make up your mind. You think I'm scum, you shouldn't be telling me what to do "if I'm town" you sound like you don't believe your own scumread

Bad baddie is bad

On October 12 2015 12:51 Eversince wrote:
I dun' see the tie in for Shining and Marv scum team.
Both look iffy to me but how are you connecting em'?

On October 13 2015 01:10 The Shining wrote:
Am I the only one who can't stand ES's post style and indirect wording?

This is why I choose to ignore you. If you can't be clear and concise and resort to cowboy speak, all you're doing is shitting up the thread and you serve 0 purpose to town.

On October 13 2015 01:13 The Shining wrote:


This misrepresentation is trash and you're scum. I did explain my "pile of contradictions" multiple times. That's why marv could so easily understand where I was coming from. Instead you just honed in on the "it doesnt make sense, blah blah blah" and completely disregarded the multiple times I said I think FF could be scum and my reasoning for WHY Marv could be a better lynch. And would you look at that, he's no longer a good lynch because he finally started playing. I'd look to see more but it's a good start.

On October 13 2015 02:17 Vivax wrote:


There's no evidence that gum is mafia, only that he is an afk something.

Shining was like one of the last people to start posting and now has 5 pages of filter and on top of it he sounds a lot like me when I feel really committed.

Marv nobody cares about cause lynching him on D1 is dumb when he's one of the top night kills on the forum.

On October 13 2015 02:33 The Shining wrote:


But yet you think you have scum caught here D1. LMAO

No I said I trust my own gut instinct. I never once said OMG ITS SO GOOD SHEEP ME SHEEP ME SHEEP ME. And Marv already explained what I already explained.

So why don't you go ahead and answer the question. What is the mafia motivation for saying one lynch is better than another but trusting my own gut because Marv could very well come back, which he did, and I don't feel like abandoning my gut instinct?

On October 13 2015 02:40 The Shining wrote:


BECAUSE HE STILL HADNT COME BACK. THAT RAISES THE PERCENTAGE THAT THE META READ IS CORRECT. BUT META IS UNRELIABLE. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO GRASP? HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF PRESSURE? JESUS

On October 13 2015 08:45 The Shining wrote:
I mean, does scum tell me on more than one occasion to cool down and take a quick breather from the thread to not get tilted, and also defend me when Moosy was tunneling me? Knowing my alignment, he could just easily have sheeped onto my wagon instead of onto Moosy's.

Are you saying his defenses of both me and FF are TMI and pocket attempts then? Does scum really do this twice on D1?

And yeah Vivax, it didn't kind of pile on with much sense which is why I don't feel comfortable on it anymore. If I'm being totally honest, it was a mixture of OMGUS and thinking this tunnel into me and knowing my alignment means scum REALLY wants me lynched. But that's dumb cuz I'm prime lynchbait rn anyway and I'm not sure scumMoosy would incriminate himself by tunneling my mislynch this hard.

On October 13 2015 09:01 The Shining wrote:


lol that's why I wanna vote ES tho

On October 13 2015 09:19 The Shining wrote:
Like I don't like the defense of not lynching Marv being "oh he's top NK". What will all you knuckleheads do or say if he ISN'T NKd?

On October 13 2015 09:17 sicklucker wrote:
So you think moosy is town now? or do you not think hes lynable

On October 13 2015 09:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Read P2/P3 of marv's filter. I liked the way he reasoned his reads together and his tone.

Also, it's completely different to say that I'm going onto OO to push a wagon off of marv than to say me going onto OO is pushing a wagon off of marv.

The reason I'd rather not lynch marv D1 is because he's respected as a townie player but really dislikes playing Mafia. So if he doesn't do anything, marv is likely Mafia but if he's town, it's a big mistake for Mafia to let him live which is why they'll probably kill him early.

On October 11 2015 02:00 Eversince wrote:
Stoic, what's with calling Fecal out for same reason of prodding Obvious? Poking Obvious again was your next post...

Vivax has gave us a whole whopping stack of newspaper printed $100 bills. (May or may not have been scribbled all over in permanent markers.)

What's the deal?

On October 11 2015 05:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I just realized why I had a twitch about this dude. Unless he's overly friendly and makes fun of people he doesn't know, this may or may not be an alt.

On October 13 2015 09:39 The Shining wrote:


I don't like any of the wagons. Moosy is right in that Marv is a highly respected town player. He hasn't done much but he isn't doing nothing. I don't like that Celestial isn't here, either, while voting Marv. =/

Moosy, you said its different to say you're going onto OO to push a wagon off of Marv than to say going onto OO is pushing a wagon off of Marv?? Typo or ?? because that's the same sentence twice.

I don't think OO will flip scum, even though I thought he could've been scum earlier. The switch to put himself into lynch lead isn't something scum trying to save himself would do.

Vivax, are you still around? Who here is actually opposed to a Stoic shenanny? I think the wagons are all town and that's why so many people aren't around. Scum has no reason to push any of these wagons hard if they're all town.

On October 13 2015 09:49 -Celestial- wrote:



Fine. I don't think I'm going to persuade anyone to get on marv now anyway and I don't like the OO train much.

But if marv doesn't get killed N1 and he doesn't seriously turn it up on D2 then I'm parking my vote there and never moving it until he dies.


##Unvote: marvellosity
##Vote: Stoicism_

On October 13 2015 08:52 ObviousOne wrote:
I just realized Onegu suggested lynching Moosy would give us "more information". Also despite what felt like an impressive performance early on, he's certainly fallen off hard. And he's sleeping now thanks to timezones so there's no getting more out of him about what he thinks seeing the flip will tell us.

I'm gonna focus on scummy cliffhanger posts for a few min.

Fecal's left us on an ambiguous note and won't be around due to holiday.

Marv's left us without his presence despite his promise for ample time before the lynch.

Eversince seems to have picked up the huffing glue, not even gonna touch that.

Stoic went MIA, joy. For someone so concerned about people(me) posting more than once a day he's not been around much more than that.

It's getting hard to keep any town reads around here. These last few pages of a flurry of activity trying to get my mislynch going are pretty staggering to say the least.

On October 13 2015 09:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Read P2/P3 of marv's filter. I liked the way he reasoned his reads together and his tone.

Also, it's completely different to say that I'm going onto OO to push a wagon off of marv than to say me going onto OO is pushing a wagon off of marv.

The reason I'd rather not lynch marv D1 is because he's respected as a townie player but really dislikes playing Mafia. So if he doesn't do anything, marv is likely Mafia but if he's town, it's a big mistake for Mafia to let him live which is why they'll probably kill him early.