Student Mafia XV - Page 7

On October 13 2015 02:21 Vivax wrote:
I'm in the lynch OO/SL/maybe moosy for his weird initial tone early before he changed after being noticed, and cause his latest argument over really nitpicky stuff felt kinda fake.

FF slightly got townier in my book.

On October 13 2015 02:33 The Shining wrote:


But yet you think you have scum caught here D1. LMAO

No I said I trust my own gut instinct. I never once said OMG ITS SO GOOD SHEEP ME SHEEP ME SHEEP ME. And Marv already explained what I already explained.

So why don't you go ahead and answer the question. What is the mafia motivation for saying one lynch is better than another but trusting my own gut because Marv could very well come back, which he did, and I don't feel like abandoning my gut instinct?

On October 13 2015 02:40 The Shining wrote:


BECAUSE HE STILL HADNT COME BACK. THAT RAISES THE PERCENTAGE THAT THE META READ IS CORRECT. BUT META IS UNRELIABLE. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO GRASP? HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF PRESSURE? JESUS

On October 13 2015 02:53 The Shining wrote:


Shit and unreliable both mean meta is bad. It's bad because it's unreliable. It's unreliable because it can be bad.

Your picking at semantics and terminology is so horrible.

On October 13 2015 02:51 -Celestial- wrote:
I think you're arguing terminology here to be honest.

What I THINK Shining is trying to get at is this:
- The case on marv is a stronger case. However the case is, at least in part by many, a meta read and meta is a poor way to judge.
- The case on FF is a weaker case. But its based more specifically on reads from the game, so the actual evidence itself is a better way to judge.


Its the difference between getting a strong answer from a weak method vs a weaker answer from a strong method.

On October 13 2015 03:10 The Shining wrote:


That means either you're tunneled horribly or, like ES, you think EVERYONE is on a scumteam with me =D

On October 13 2015 03:21 -Celestial- wrote:


Stream of consciousness:

- Part of the initial argument with ES. Honestly to me that whole thing just feels town on town. Uninformative.

- Comments about anger and rage in mafia TL. Then funny comment to me. Nothing much there.

- "Starting to warm up to the marv lynch". Says FF is giving counterarguments to what he claimed. Marv better lynch than FF.

- Comment on people not playing. NAI. It was winding me up too.

- Replies to you well about FF's counterarguments. Don't have a problem with this bit. The next bit is admittedly a bit weird: he says marv is a good lynch but is staying on FF because FF is on marv which to him means that he's wrong about one of them.
This is faulty logic to me. marv is nowhere in sight at this point. It makes perfect sense for FF to bus him if they're scumbuddies. It doesn't have to be either/or, they definitely could still both be scum. That being said it doesn't feel especially scummy to me. Maybe a little, but more like just a questionable leap in logic.

- Calls you town. Fairly easy call to make at that point I think.

- Stuff about pocketing. Tangentially related to the game but eh.

- Conversation with FF about his reads. He's convinced one of FF and marv is scum and effectively states that even without a marv flip he has enough on FF to make him believe he's scum. Which is fine as a position to take as far as I'm concerned but I'm not really convinced by the argument against FF honestly. Nor am I convinced that only one of FF and marv HAS to be scum.

- Gets somewhat unnecessarily aggressive in a follow up about the pocketing. Seems a bit weird; although his point is sound. Nobody is going to admit to pocketing.

- Reiterates that he thinks FF is scum. Goes onto the "marv is a better lynch" thing again. But as I stated in my earlier post I kinda think that this is a case of "weak method with strong indicators vs strong method with weak indicators" and poor phrasing.

- Knocking you down in estimation for claiming he's voting marv. Eh. Standard. Tries to explain what I just said in the point above.

- Criticises FF for changing his vote from one scumread to another. Which I do actually find a bit weird honestly. FF might be scum, but he's not scum based on that.

- Last few posts seem to largely be him getting mad at you for not understanding the point he's trying to make. Capped with an OMGUS vote.


Conclusion? There's some weird stuff going on but not enough for me to make a scum call on it. I'd null lean scum on him right now, but since I can follow his train of thought (even if others can't) and it appears to make sense I'm not going to lynch him D1.

I really don't like where he's going on the FF thing though. Overnight I might reread FF's filter.

On October 13 2015 03:56 -Celestial- wrote:



I was somewhat defending Shining over the last few pages because I think I can understand his train of thought and I can see where the misunderstanding is. Why am I not on your potential list here? I know you've said you like my posting before but even so that was quite some time ago now.

On October 13 2015 05:00 Vivax wrote:
Moosy being kinda interesting cause he doesn't care that I didn't just vote for him in a scenario when he's town and im mafia

On October 13 2015 05:37 Vivax wrote:


Are you the type who surrenders when he's being mislynched or do you fight it.