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-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
October 12 2015 18:30 GMT
#921
I'm staying on marv because I honestly think its our best chance of hitting mafia. He did nothing for most of day 1 apart from a bunch of useless early posts and since returning he's done nothing special.

If marv flips red then I'll re-evaluate everything, I think Moosy is probably town but with a red flip marv he could potentially be scum. If he flips anything else then in my eyes Moosy is practically confirmed town.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
October 12 2015 18:31 GMT
#922
On October 13 2015 03:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm going to wait on what Kelsier says and then make a decision. If he think I've been tunneling too, I'm going to have to accept that Shining made a terrible contradiction and play that made so sense and that he should be allowed to get away with it. But I'm still going to keep an eye on him.


Don't get me wrong I don't think you've got NO case. I'm very interested to see who flips and what info we get out of that.

But I just don't find it entirely convincing. Like I said, I can kinda see where he was going with it and it looks more like a poor explanation than a scum play.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
October 12 2015 18:37 GMT
#923
Incidentally Gumdrop will get replaced/modkilled if he doesn't vote before deadline; which is looking extremely likely at this point.

If he magically turns up right before it and votes then he's top of my suspicion list D2 unless he manages to look literally so green that I think he's a plant.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 12 2015 18:47 GMT
#924
Ok caught up. Here are my opinions on the major occurunces.

I think shining is clearly town, his first list post was very good and seemed to line up, mostly, with how I was reading the game. I think ES's response was pretty shit with her "reaction test" or whatever that was. Like you said the post had loads of things wrong with it and then didn't say anything about it,

The moosy-shining thing was a complete cluster fuck but it did give me some thoughts. There are situations where a townie is being piled on and people will come to their defence to gain credit. For me the people who were coming to his defence, in a round about way

On October 12 2015 08:15 Vivax wrote:
I like shining, he's like me when I get adrenaline injections


On October 12 2015 13:33 sicklucker wrote:
Like im pretty sure all of you are town. Make love not war


On October 12 2015 12:58 ObviousOne wrote:
When did the circus come into town?

Not wanting to vote for someone because one of your scum reads is voting for them, on day one, where a bus is largely unlikely, when you have a scum read on someone else that you consider equally valid, is totally okay in my book. This tunneling shining into rage is really out of this world. Wow. Sincerely.

Instead of being antagonizing, honest level-headed questions would get you a lot farther. The responses I got from Shining were decent enough and there wasn't any vitriol that I could sense.


Equally, how many people have actually voted for you Shining? There's still many hours until the lynch and Marv is a much more likely majority candidate because the tells we have make it almost a sure thing he's mafia unless he comes back glowing green like the Hulk. Your fate isn't set in stone so getting too upset is only damaging to your cause. Like I said before, if things get emotionally charged, take a short break to collect your thoughts, think about what's going on and why it's happening.

For instance, maybe Eversince is a super clever mafia player. This total antagonistic dialogue she has engaged in with you is not a healthy town player attitude. And it didn't seem to stop after the break she took. The assault continues. There's no town reason not to try to level with you on in a logical discussion, and it's breaking my town read of her because I'm particularly sensitive to the same kind of issue you're dealing with having been there multiple times.


On October 12 2015 22:14 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 22:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
How is the stuff on Shining weak? He's contradicted himself at least 3 times there.

no, he says he understands the meta arguments against me and that they are strong and "logically" a stronger case, but he trusts his own gut on FF more.

ta-da.


Probably at least one scum in that group of 4.

I have OO listed there and although he was sort of scummy early on just reading his recent posts feel pretty town and just now his decision to consolidate and actually try to move things on was nice.

marv,had a spam fest but i was unimpressed.

Both vivax and SL have this vibe or just eating popcorn and watching town fight eachother. Giving comments but not driving things forward.

On October 12 2015 08:17 Vivax wrote:
ObviousOne posts very clean and almost too thought out for my taste, I remember reading him correctly as town when he got mislynched last time we played together, I don't know which game it was anymore though. I managed to get that read when he was in the process of trying to stop the lynch.


and SL already had the quote of "you're all town stop fighting guys".

I'd be happy lynching gummy his "play" is terrible. then Vivax/SL would be my next choice.


Zerg for Life
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
October 12 2015 18:49 GMT
#925
OO and Kelsier confirmed suspicious of SL but ignoring my argument
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 12 2015 18:51 GMT
#926
Great, so kSC said Shining was town.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
October 12 2015 18:52 GMT
#927
Also love how they show up to scumread SL as well after I did and how they do so scumreading both of us in what reads like equal measure.

The tingling tinfoil wants me to believe they're bussing him in a way that will obviously make me their preference when it comes down to it.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
October 12 2015 18:54 GMT
#928
Kelsier OO and SL sounds like an incredibly sexy scumteam, I'm actually inclined to let the moosy stuff slide.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
October 12 2015 18:56 GMT
#929
On October 13 2015 03:47 KelsierSC wrote:

There are situations where a townie is being piled on and people will come to their defence to gain credit. For me the people who were coming to his defence, in a round about way

-snip-

Probably at least one scum in that group of 4.



I was somewhat defending Shining over the last few pages because I think I can understand his train of thought and I can see where the misunderstanding is. Why am I not on your potential list here? I know you've said you like my posting before but even so that was quite some time ago now.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 12 2015 18:57 GMT
#930
On October 13 2015 03:49 Vivax wrote:
OO and Kelsier confirmed suspicious of SL but ignoring my argument


You seem to have had some issues reading what I posted so I apologise for that.

After my initial suspicion of you, this latest scum read is the way you defended shining when the pressure was on him , it felt like a way of gaining easy credit. The same applied to SL.
Therefore your argument against SL had absolutely no bearing on that interpretation.

I did look at your argument on SL, yes I agree with the point you made about him. well done you.
Zerg for Life
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
October 12 2015 18:58 GMT
#931
On October 13 2015 01:03 Vivax wrote:
Yeah I think I want to lynch SL for what he said there.

He entered the game in some sort of fake ecstasy (which is why he said something that didn't make much sense at the time, to me at least (in spoiler)

+ Show Spoiler +

On October 11 2015 22:00 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2015 06:00 sicklucker wrote:
eversince kinda hada bad reaction to to vivax angle shoot where he literately mmade it look like he shot him (that was dirty asfaik)

On October 11 2015 04:39 Eversince wrote:
Seriously I came a hair away from pming Blazing to say thanks for the game.
That was low. Lucky I checked the homepage to see who the host/ co-host were.


seems in too cheerful of a mood eversince what alignment did you want to play?



Read this part and tell me how it is a bad reaction but also too cheerful, didn't make much sense to me at the time.





and spewed marv town while at the same acting as if he was suspicious of him.

Vivax I can see your point. It's a weird thing to do. I don't know Sicklucker though, so I don't know if it's out of the ordinary. So I just let it be what it is, some random derp in the thread at the beginning.

The strongest case against Sicklucker is that he's not scum hunting in the thread and has nothing to do with that post.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
October 12 2015 18:58 GMT
#932
On October 13 2015 03:57 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 03:49 Vivax wrote:
OO and Kelsier confirmed suspicious of SL but ignoring my argument


You seem to have had some issues reading what I posted so I apologise for that.

After my initial suspicion of you, this latest scum read is the way you defended shining when the pressure was on him , it felt like a way of gaining easy credit. The same applied to SL.
Therefore your argument against SL had absolutely no bearing on that interpretation.

I did look at your argument on SL, yes I agree with the point you made about him. well done you.


But I didn't try to gain credit for the shining thing, I did something different than SL. I gave reasoning for my townread, while SL tried to stop what he said to be a tvt
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 12 2015 18:59 GMT
#933
On October 13 2015 03:56 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 03:47 KelsierSC wrote:

There are situations where a townie is being piled on and people will come to their defence to gain credit. For me the people who were coming to his defence, in a round about way

-snip-

Probably at least one scum in that group of 4.



I was somewhat defending Shining over the last few pages because I think I can understand his train of thought and I can see where the misunderstanding is. Why am I not on your potential list here? I know you've said you like my posting before but even so that was quite some time ago now.

He probably didn't refresh the page.

tbh I don't care much for this game if Shining made that terrible play as town so I'm just going to sheep you or kSC.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 12 2015 18:59 GMT
#934
On October 13 2015 03:56 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 03:47 KelsierSC wrote:

There are situations where a townie is being piled on and people will come to their defence to gain credit. For me the people who were coming to his defence, in a round about way

-snip-

Probably at least one scum in that group of 4.



I was somewhat defending Shining over the last few pages because I think I can understand his train of thought and I can see where the misunderstanding is. Why am I not on your potential list here? I know you've said you like my posting before but even so that was quite some time ago now.


As you mention I liked your early posting and that is part of the reasons you do not make the list. However with the manner of your defence, I would not call it a "round about" or soft defence for easy credit. There is very clear willingness to interact and actually challenge moosy not just to say "duh shining is town" so you look good later on.

In essence I interpreted your points about shining differently to others on the list.
Zerg for Life
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
October 12 2015 19:01 GMT
#935
Fair enough then. Just thought it was a rather glaring omission.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 12 2015 19:01 GMT
#936
i'm rather busy tonight but I will check back before I have to sleep, leave any questions
Zerg for Life
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 12 2015 19:02 GMT
#937
Onegu, in what way does my death give us information?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
October 12 2015 19:04 GMT
#938
On October 13 2015 03:54 Vivax wrote:
Kelsier OO and SL sounds like an incredibly sexy scumteam, I'm actually inclined to let the moosy stuff slide.

Things that sound sexy often are let down by reality. Sorry, your scumteam is in another castle.

You'll let Moosy off but are clinging to the single post by SL as your reason....
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 12 2015 19:07 GMT
#939
Vivax has been very apathetic with his posts like I pointed out before Shining's bungle.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
October 12 2015 19:15 GMT
#940
I'm literally always down with killing SL, marv can frick off if he thinks I'm scum, Eversince's filter is so terrible to look at I can't even bring myself to read it.

Marv, you asked me about why I like OO's posts and I answered it already when moosy asked me the same thing.

On October 12 2015 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 09:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
OO's recent posts are good and I like them.

##unvote
##vote marvellosity


might as well lynch the obvious... one wait that wasn't intentional


shining you just called me out for saying moosey bused his whole team, then you say that mafia's wincon is to survive? By that logic, town's wincon is also to survive because if enough townies die the game ends...

what exactly do you like about them?

On October 12 2015 10:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 07:33 ObviousOne wrote:
On October 11 2015 06:12 sicklucker wrote:
You voted me . Scum will hold back from joke votes because it causes issues. you show you dont care about perception because a random vote in a newbie game will get many raised eyebrows.

Obviousone is gonna be mad idc about him

vivax stfu ill beat you up

Just been going back through the thread. Why would I be mad?

On October 11 2015 06:29 marvellosity wrote:
The only curious thing I saw was sicklucker questioning eversince's motives or whatever. How he got any other impression than new around here and very earnest and enjoyable is totally beyond me

Interesting thing for a (town)marv to do, there was no pressure or threat of pressure towards Eversince. I could see him doing this as town if he's genuinely impressed or interested in playing more games with someone like Eversince.

I could see (scum) marv might use this as a basis for pushing a (town)sicklucker but there's been no further indication that marv is even reading/playing right now. sicklucker had a pretty townie response to this, in rereading.


The proceeding vivax-sicklucker interaction makes me like vivax less than originally thought. Still aware it was in the interim between silly and serious (if he made it to serious time again, haven't re-read that far). Sort of redeems himself with this post about the mental challenges many players including myself face when assigned a mafia team role.

Also anyone who thinks that I'm scum with vivax and didn't decide in the mafia QT to have a laugh in the thread together and in general make distractions town playing the game is goofy, I didn't realize he's brought back some of his trolling when I signed up for this game but that's pretty much how I'd get my kicks this game.

On October 12 2015 07:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
For the record I'd like you to talk about the things wrong with the post, eversince, so I don't have to actually read it

Yeah me neither. Kind of reminds me of the posts I saw about Onegu and myself written by Eversince. Lotta summary shit. TL;DR

This post, the bolded shows that he is considering both worlds for marv, though obviously is ultimately tipped toward scum because lolmarv.

Not only that but he doesn't like vivax and I am coming around to the idea of a vivax/marv/X team based on the lack of playing.



On October 12 2015 10:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 08:24 ObviousOne wrote:
On October 12 2015 08:10 The Shining wrote:
On October 12 2015 08:00 ObviousOne wrote:
On October 12 2015 07:40 The Shining wrote:
On October 12 2015 07:35 ObviousOne wrote:
On October 12 2015 07:34 The Shining wrote:
On October 12 2015 07:26 Eversince wrote:
Mhmm, I'm goin' to save myself some time.

90% of your post is reiterated stuff that's adding nothin'.
I notice it, prod at you, and you proceed to get really mad.

Not the best picture we could of painted.


Except no one knew you noticed it until right now because you said absolutely nothing of worth or value regarding my post. And how is it adding nothing? It added a player with reads into the game that had absolutely no posts or thoughts beforehand. I'm sorry that most of what I would've caught in the process of the game, I couldn't because I wasn't around.

That was an amazing post regarding "so many things wrong" with my post. 10/10, would read again.

Since nobody else is doing it, I'll ask you to get a nice post regarding who you think is mafia and a vote if applicable.


Reads post has scumreads. Go read it.

##Vote: FecalFeast

Because I've got a case of the fuck its and I listed him first.

I disagree almost entirely. Commentary inline

Super underwhelming. Subjective, debatable, what is your expectation? You're repeating what he said about himself. I found his joke post of "worried about appearance obvious mafia" kind of ironic since he states in his very next post that Vivax is as underwhelming as he is, which shows he is quite aware of how he looks in-thread.Knowing how you look to others is how you get not lynched, or more importantly not mislynched. Also, most of his reads don't seem to lean very strongly either way which leaves a lot of wiggle room. Seems pretty convinced I'm mafia, even has his vote on me. Note this also means we're not likely to be mafia together, but it's also not impossible. Gums opening is awkward but not screaming scummy, wants OO to come back to confirm suspicion, Moosy is posting fine things but has the ability to play scum well. What do the previous things have to do with fecal's alignment? His eye is on vivax but he's just as bad. That's scumming yourself by default lol. That doesn't invalidate it as a scum read. And believing Vivaxs scum claim is just bad. I've seen vivax just roll over and die as scum but I haven't seen him outright claim it. Some people here will instalynch people who claim mafia. It's one of the easiest things you can do as mafia to create a why/why not discussion that distracts from legitimate talking points. I don't know if he's one of those people.


No reads on half the game and yes, I even said that he said that about himself. He also said it about one of his scumread, Vivax. So by that logic, if its an acceptable thing to scum someone for, its an acceptable thing to scum him for.

In my experience, scum is much more aware of how they look because their only goal is to survive. Town cares, or should care, less about surviving and how they look and spend more time on how OTHERS, namely scum, look.

Reading his filter doesn't look like he's that convinced. If you think you found scum, you push it. I just see a vote and some meh posts regarding you. The next few lines were examples of Fecal's reads that didn't lean strong either way. How did you not realize that?

No reads on half the game - you don't need to tell people your town reads, it's just not necessary and sometimes gives mafia ideas for who best to kill, the unlynchables.

How he looks - he doesn't seem to care that he looks bad, just states that Vivax looks bad. He didn't make any effort to make himself look any better from what I can see. Maybe he wanted to honeytrap vivax into shaping up, in an effort to either get him to start taking the game mega-seriously for one reason or another.

I'm aware of how I look -- it's pretty obvious from the votes and general sentiment and my level of participation, but I just have to look slightly better than the scummiest guy in the thread and I don't get mislynched and I also don't get shot at night which is a good skill to have if I ever want to be good at the mafia side of things. Which in retrospect sucks because that means I'll have to spend more time in-game but that's what I signed up for, after all. This game is alright so far.

His vote on me - probably could be swung away to another wagon, you have that right. But that's telling us something about him. I wish I knew more about his general style of play to see if this is out of the ordinary for his town play, but I'm not invested enough to do the research. Someone said he wasn't particularly fecalfeasty but didn't really expand on that idea and I'd like to hear more in that vein if it's indeed true. Sometimes it's easy to overlook in analysis that we're working with imperfect information and while he's not committed to scum reads, he's also not defended anyone that I can remember. I may just be the best candidate in his mind, at the moment of posting. If he leaves it there I might be miffed, but again, something that could be telling in the future with better information (flips).

Not to mention the defense of me, I am pretty self centred. Besides, unless he's going for the hardest of pockets, he's defending me rather than pushing for my mislynch. Vivax is already on my case, shining with his pressure too. OO could have helped bury me but instead looks at it rationally and breaks down why shining's logic is flawed.

On October 12 2015 10:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
ok well that was supposed to be 1 post but forgot to cut/paste sorry

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