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On September 10 2015 05:04 Damdred wrote: This is THE game. | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are the Martyr role claim straight away because it is the best play. I seriously encourage the person who rolled this role to claim immediately. The reasoning is the following: For mafia to win the game it requires them to figure out town roles, AND town to NOT figure out the roles. This can be achieved in certain ways. I am not going to tell how (in game) but the most obvious thing is that mafia gets the people's roles who they night kill. Now the martyr role, if used and not claimed does the following: 1) You die, noone in the town knows who mafia killed. 2) noone in the town knows your role, mafia does 3) noone in the town knows the role mafia tried to kill, mafia does. It gives mafia an uncontested soup kill (their actual night kill) AND it gives them a possible fakeclaim (martyr) later on. Literally your best play is to claim immediately, never use your role, and act as innocent child until you get shot. Please claim. | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote: So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? absolutely none. martyr is mafia rolecop (yes it really is) unclaimed.... | ||
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Whenever you die you must immediately claim your role into the angel QT, otherwise you are mafia. | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:38 The Shining wrote: Who is it going to? someone who is town but not likely to get night killed early on. | ||
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On September 15 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote: I just got back from camping sup bros possibly camping in QT? | ||
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just for funzies. | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote: So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? what do you even mean by this? i think i have already explained why it's the correct play so the answer should be obvious. | ||
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On September 15 2015 09:30 geript wrote: Also, Martyr. Don't claim. But don't protect anyone either. shut up you are rn not knowing what you are talking about. | ||
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On September 15 2015 10:46 geript wrote: When he's town he'll still follow the leader, but he'll generally over talk about a random reason he's thought against it. A less than LS question. okay then we have the same reason | ||
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On September 15 2015 15:13 Tictock wrote: And does it seems like maybe rayn didn't have a reason to scumread LS then just agreed with your read? Or maybe I just trying too hard with ~3 pages to read.... Probably yes if this is what you think. | ||
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- you get IC - if mafia wants to kill the person holding the role who cares if the worst role in the game dies (it also gives Rov a fair chance of hitting their "night condition") - because i sorta fucked up (while i didn't) people have already claimed they are not that role | ||
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On September 15 2015 16:21 Rels wrote: I disagree with the people saying "martyr shouldn't use his power" martyr should never ever use his power 100%. | ||
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On September 15 2015 16:25 Rels wrote: OK a few other things about the setup. 1. Dead people should 100% claim on the angel QT the minute they enter it rayn said it already and I agree. 2. Oracle should claim at LYLO To be clearer, oracle should claim in two situations: - if there is only 1 mafia left 3. Inquisitor should claim if he gets a red check Self explanatory. The only time inquisitor should not out is if there are already multiple claims, 'cause of soup. Otherwise 1 for 1 is super good. everything here is 100% correct. i do not agree with Oracle claiming in lylo. It is situation specific thing i won't go further into. | ||
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On September 15 2015 16:30 Rels wrote: rayn did that refered to the "martyr should claim" that followed ? yes | ||
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On September 15 2015 16:36 Rels wrote: Is this a real vote that will only activate at deadline ? Or just an indication you will vote for him later ? Deadline votes are used for deadline majority lynch normal votes for IML use deadline votes always. | ||
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On September 15 2015 16:41 Rels wrote: I mean, is this something official, or just an indication and you have to really vote at deadline official, in OP. | ||
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Instant Majority/Deadline Majority. There will be two type of votes. Normal votes will be cast as such ##Vote playername and deadline votes are votes that will not count until the deadline, will be cast as such ##DeadlineVote playername. | ||
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On September 15 2015 16:59 Vivax wrote: Rayn this post makes me question if you're town. It's just excessively tryhard and achieves nothing except making you look like a tryhard. i was bored. | ||
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On September 15 2015 17:00 Rels wrote: WTF rayn I agree the martyr should claim but this is rolehunting Now the martyr has no choice but to claim. Several people have already said it's not them i know that was the plan. | ||
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On September 15 2015 17:04 Rels wrote: I agree 100% martyr should claim BUT IF martyr doesn't claim, we now risk getting him souped by POE if for example the inquisitor claims his red check D2 which is why i am doing what i am. I am not giving them option. They don't have that option anymore since like half of the game has basically said they are not the martyr. | ||
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On September 15 2015 17:08 Rels wrote: 2 - his claim will be harder to prove. If he claims D1 we can 100% believe him if no counter claim this is the reason why the claim should come right away. we get a confirmed town right away and do not waste time reading their alignment. | ||
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On September 15 2015 17:10 Rels wrote: but if he doesn't claim, he's going to protect N1, so it doesn't matter actually no, again, never use the role because YOU ARE A MAFIA ROLECOP!!!! ffs | ||
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On September 15 2015 17:11 Rels wrote: what do you think of my post on TS ? i don't know yet. It makes sense i just don't know if it makes him mafia. | ||
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On September 15 2015 17:13 Rels wrote: it is in case he doesn't claim. In this case, he SHOULD protect 'cause his claim is not going to be believed in later days I 100% agree he should claim NONONONONO! If yo uuse the martyr role all it does is one dead townie (which would be anyways), town learns nothing (saying you can crumb who you save is fucking bullshit because you cannot do that), mafia gets a free rolecheck. It's literally an anti-town role when used!!!! | ||
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actually yes this is the correct play. i am soon gonna write something and then i hope that shit is not gonna be talked about anymore. | ||
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Last time i played this game this is what happened. On D1 we lynched the cop because they were retarded and didn't play at all. Later on in the angel QT his response was "what's the point of being a cop when you can't claim" which was even more retarded. Not only did he get himself lynched as a cop, he also gave away the acolyte role to mafia because there was this dude who was hard defending them for not a single reason... well other than knowing who the cop is lol. Before the lynch we had another role-claim from a scummy person. He claimed an uncounterclaimable role and technically that was the correct play. But he gave away another role to mafia. On D2 i found two mafia. I told everyone to just fucking shut up and insta-lynch this guy, and then say nothing and insta-lynch that guy. Obviously people didn't listen to me (yes, in certain situations the correct play in this setup is just to shut up and lynch the mafia so dumb people don't give anything away). Another townie gave away he is one of two roles left in the game to mafia. We lynched scum. On N2, mafia souped someone, only one person, then they "tried to soup" one of their own - giving away the already almost confirmed mafia to buy town credit to the other mafia left (because they just needed time to figure out maybe 1 or 2 more roles). Obviously the last scum got townread for that. On D3 we lynched another mafia. On N3 mafia killed a townie whose role was oracle. Because people had given away enough roles this flip - to mafia, gave away every single role from town except for 2 of them. On D4 i wantedd people to massclaim. That would have fucking won the game because mafia could not claim something they would have wanted to (as they fucked up a bit in the "self-soup"). I was one of the roles mafia did not know yet (still, lynching a townie gives mafia 50% chance of winning here - in a fucking 7-1 situation). Instead of following the claim plan the retarded town decided i have to be mafia because i want people to claim. They lynched me. Last mafia souped 6 people and it was ggnore. The point is the following: - never hint your role. never. even if the cop is getting lynched and you are the acolyte do not fucking save him by hinting your role. - do not claim unless someone who knows what they are doing tells you to. apparently geript doesn't know how to play this shit so that someone would be either me or Damdred. noone else. - martyr claim. please. right now. - Mafia wins this game by figuring out roles even if we lynch mafia 66% of the time. Yes, that is fucking true. Do not hint your role, ever. Do not give anything away. Do not talk about the setup or ask what is preferred for what role. Just play and try find mafia. - mafia gets the roles of their night kills, town doesn't. That gives mafia a huge information advantage the further the game goes on. That's why the martyr should claim. Because if mafia kills the claimed martyr they remove the most useless role in the game AND they do not learn anything the town does not know (and the town KNOWS THAT). That is the key point in this game, do not give mafia too much information and do not let mafia too far in this game. - that is also why you cannot hide behind your role. claiming doesn't save you. in fact in certain situations it's better to lynch the uncc'd townie than to try lynch mafia (assuming town doesn't really know who is mafia). yes it really is. Because otherwise you give too much away. - and the above is why we WILL lynch lurkers. lurking is not an option in this game. it is not allowed. I hope you people actually read this post and understand what i am saying. Because every single word is true. | ||
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Please never use your role. If you do that it STILL loses us one townie (you) and it gives away another role for mafia (their night kill target). It does not matter who mafia kills, do not use your role. Also you are good enough to solve the game anyways. | ||
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On September 15 2015 17:57 Vivax wrote: Now let's talk about who can be mafia of those who posted. I'm at something like FF/geript/BM and some dudes in the good list of shitty dudes that me and Rels posted. Not enough people being townie enough yet. Also I'd ask that we extend this day to the max since I'm getting souped next night. ofc we will have 72h day. IML is not an option here. I seriously believe LS is mafia. His question to me makes absolutely no sense unless: 1) he is the martyr (which he isn't) 2) he is mafia and doesn't really know how to respond to me saying the martyr should claim It just does not make any sense for him to take part of that discussion in case he is town and not the martyr. | ||
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On September 15 2015 17:58 Rels wrote: Cool =D I actually thought that, it made sense that you only thought about the potential of your role without thinking people would not believe you mmm like this is why you should not speculate the setup, even if you believed i am wrong. i was on the same track with this ^^ now think what mafia can do when they already know who is mafia in case they play properly and people do this shit? | ||
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On September 15 2015 18:03 Rels wrote: You're saying here that LS tried to participate in something he shouldn't. I agree. But there is more. The question he asked was answered 3 MINUTES before he posted it. yes i know, that's why i think he should not participate in the discussion the way he did. | ||
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Like in the last game played here the cop (i think it was Damdred?) claimed a red check on ritoky on some day. I had to use fucking 24 hours to convince the town he is in fact the cop instead of ritoky because ritoky's claim looked "clean" and Damdred just said "ritoky is red". Not to even mention a lot of townies were dumb enough not to notice Damdred had to be the cop because he called me mafia on D1 and suddenly when D2 begins he has a town read on me (lol at mafia for missing that). People don't think, but here, what LS does, it's not about that. It's about the way he presents his question that doesn't make any sense at all. | ||
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On September 15 2015 18:20 Vivax wrote: Witches select a witch kill and soup kill me but I martyr anyway for the witch kill and there's not really a roleblock I know of as long as no witch died. mafia cannot soap AND night kill. It's either or. | ||
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On September 15 2015 18:22 Vivax wrote: He omgused me before finishing to read the thread and noticing I'm confirmed until proven otherwise. I am not sure why that would make him town. He would do the same thing if he was mafia and did not care. And not caring honestly points more towards being mafia than town. | ||
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Rels i think is town if that wasn't obvious already. I am a bit torn on Damdred but i kinda think he is town here. | ||
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On September 15 2015 18:38 Vivax wrote: Idk his role related shenannies can be faked. He was in SOTW 1 and probably knows what to do better than the rest. I think you're giving him too much credit here. I am reading him town for his read on LS because it's super good. | ||
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On September 15 2015 19:28 Tictock wrote: Well I'm also waiting on HtS to make an entrance, but I have to head to work soon. I'm not sold on his read, but I'll admit Rels has done good open post cases before. TS might be someone to keep an eye on. I'm not sure I like BM. This was an odd explanation to throwing out a townread on rayn. I am also kinda waffling on what does that make BM. I am pretty sure that is alignment indicatice i am just not sure into which way yet. | ||
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geript was BM there when we were talking in TS about our strengths in games? | ||
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On September 15 2015 20:59 Half the Sky wrote: Afternoon everyone! Swamped at work, so just started reading the thread. I'm town but not the martyr. this is a really weird post. | ||
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On September 15 2015 21:10 Rels wrote: I find too Like here is the timeline: 1 - HTS starts to read the thread 2 - HTS sees that rayn wants the martyr to claim 3 - HTS stops reading and says "hello, I'm no martyr" 4 - HTS resumes reading Pretty weird time to post an "hello" post. this | ||
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On September 15 2015 21:25 Vivax wrote: I don't see how it is indicative for her being anything. If she has read like one page of the game and has never played this game i don't know how she trusts me enough to make the claim when she does (especially i derped and didn't even notice Palmar had changed the role slightly before like page 12)..... | ||
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On September 15 2015 21:33 Half the Sky wrote: Based on your reads and your mechanics explanations, I trusted you enough that I could get a townlean on you, not that you were right about the mechanics. Those to me are two separate things. If I couldn't trust you were town, I wouldn't have said about me not being the martyr. Okay so; you saw me posting why the martyr should claim before you claimed you are not one right? | ||
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On September 15 2015 21:33 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread. so instead of arguing why claiming it is bad you just call me mafia when you don't even read my reasoning why the claiming is the correct play. good job, try again. | ||
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On September 15 2015 21:36 Half the Sky wrote: EBWOP - Damn quotes. No I'm not. i meant, you read my reasoning why claiming is good before you said you are not the martyr, right? | ||
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On September 15 2015 21:39 LightningStrike wrote: Martyrs are actually useful as the game progresses and Rayn knows that. no they are not. | ||
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On September 15 2015 21:43 Half the Sky wrote: Yes, that and other people claiming "not martyr". Okay so; you read the mechanics, you read my reasoning. When you read my reasoning why did you not notice it conflicts with the mechanics (because it does)? | ||
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On September 15 2015 22:05 LightningStrike wrote: Because should always see two sides of a coin in terms of benefits of claiming or not and I finding odd he didn't though. explain the other side then. i already did explain why there isn't one. | ||
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On September 15 2015 22:10 Half the Sky wrote: Like I said, I derped. I really have no good explanation. fair enough. stop derping. | ||
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On September 15 2015 22:12 LightningStrike wrote: I already explained my side to Rels if you had taken a look between my conversation between myself and him. Martyr's can protect town leaders or the person gets the Holy Grail so it not a complete waste to have a Martyr not claim. I feel like I hitting my head on a brickwall already............ yes but your explanation does not make any sense at all. | ||
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Mafia wins when they rolecop enough people in a way or another. Do you want to try explaining the other side of the coin again? | ||
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On September 15 2015 22:16 LightningStrike wrote: How do they act like a rolecop if they are alive? I still not understanding that part honestly. they don't, they act as a rolecop for mafia if they use their role. again, read the thread. if you make one more comment on this before reading hte thread i will make sure you get 100% lynched. | ||
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On September 15 2015 22:31 Rels wrote: I love that I got to see mafia rayn in personality mafia. I think I would have a harder time not thinking of tinfoil mafia rayn in this game if I didn't experience the lackluster experience that is mafia rayn (= tbh i genuinely could not play there. and the game was shit, roles were shit, i don't even know why i replaced in.... | ||
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On September 15 2015 22:47 Half the Sky wrote: So if you ignore Rels and Rayn (hypothetically) for just a second, who is mafia? this is the worst pare because me and rels are literally the towniest people in this game if we do not count vivax. | ||
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On September 16 2015 00:44 Rels wrote: It made sense to me. geript hasn't done much beside pushing LS this game, so if she believes geript is capable of bussing this early, she has no reason to townread him. Yeah she thinks geript is a good playr (as scum aswell) and then geript does nothing but busses his teammate. In a setup where you don't bus, because bussing is retarded when there are no flips. makes a lot of sense.... | ||
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On September 15 2015 19:07 Fidei86 wrote: Hey guys. I didn't actually realise I was in this game until just now, because I never /in'd or confirmed. But anyway, I don't have any time to catch up or play today because I'm in meetings all day and have stuff this evening. Sorry. I'll get back quite late tonight, and will catch up etc then. for the record James has been active in another game today. | ||
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On September 16 2015 01:22 Rels wrote: Plus Hts confirmed his excuse is true so its nai. BTW rayn can you expand on bm now that geript has answered your question ? Not really. I write it off as a null tell. | ||
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On September 16 2015 02:00 Rels wrote: Then why did you say it was alignment indicative ie not null ? Because i was talking withgeript about how we play and what are our strengths in games. We both agreed i am really good in breaking setuos and finding holes in them. I am pretty sure BM was there at that time, and therefore his opening would make sense from town perspective. After giving it more thought he woyld probably say that as mafia aswell, so i dont really think that matters. | ||
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Does it affect you at all i am telling you there is literally no way he is mafia in this game? Also at the time you made thw post you got called out for, did you seriously think i am mafia for pushing a retarded role claim? Like i know you value my opinion, and i am not stupid. Did it not come to your mind to think a bit more about why i say what i do? I find this really hard to believe LS. Thats why i think you are mafia atm. | ||
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I mean why did it not occur to you "why is rayn saying this if he is town/mafia"? And why did you notthink about that before calling me mafia? Especially when i had JUST explained why i pushed for the claim... | ||
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BM i don't think your read on Rels is accurate, i think he is quite obviously town. I will re-evaluate TT tomorrow, but i still think he is town. I think FF has a decent chance of being mafia. | ||
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On September 16 2015 03:42 Bill Murray wrote: LS i halfway think you're town - I am responding to a current in thread discussion Would I pick you as a lynch? No Would I be your defense attorney? No i actually 75% agree with this. | ||
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On September 16 2015 03:50 LightningStrike wrote: Damdred he only made like 2-3 posts and 1 is him saying I could be mafia without any explanation at all which is so unlike him at all when he's town. Rels could be town but Ticktock null I need to reread his filter when I get home. Rayn I think your town I was just being a jackass earlier regarding you I'm sorry what can I do to make up for it? I actually agree with this. | ||
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On September 16 2015 03:51 Fecalfeast wrote: I just got here and made a post on stuff that jumped out at me while catching up. Would you like something specific? no i dont want people to fucking do what i want them to do. i want people to tell who is mafia because of they think they are mafia. | ||
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On September 16 2015 06:00 Bill Murray wrote: Yes Okay, lately Damdred has been really uncontributive as mafia. That's basically how i base my read on him. This game.... he is like a shadow, he just doesn't talk anything.. It bothers me. I don't really believe LS is mafia anymore, i don't believe Shining is mafia either. Damdred has a fair chance of being scum to be honest. | ||
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On September 16 2015 06:09 Fecalfeast wrote: I said I don't like tictock and damdred rayn, I won't provide reads I don't have and my scumread right now are shaky at best I'd lynch a damdred that asks for mayor and then fucks off ezpz can you elaborate more on your read on damdred? because i do not think what you said makes him mafia. | ||
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On September 16 2015 06:19 Tictock wrote: Oh and leaning town on HtS pretty hard. I don't understand this. Basically she made a shit read, pointed out some stuff that had nothing to do with anything then fucked off. Like, she is being useless atm... I can't possibly realize why people townread her. | ||
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On September 16 2015 06:30 Tictock wrote: ^ All good reasons as to why I choose the word "leaning" Other than Rayn, Rels and Vivax I'm not confidently reading anyone as town. this is a shit response. | ||
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On September 16 2015 10:33 The Shining wrote: Assuming the TS here is me(The Shining), I'm starting to like Tictock less and less. Especially because I really like this post here: I also kind of agreed with FF there. But TT's lack of scumreads worry me, too. And he went from townlean on me for my entrance to "keep an eye on me" without giving any reason why, as if he was just setting up to follow town sentiment, which was not liking my entrance at that time. I had made no posts or said anything else to change his read on me. Damdred, TT or Dandel lynch for me today. I actually agree with TT being scummy. | ||
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On September 16 2015 17:52 Rels wrote: TT, rayn: what is your read of FF ? He said something that i found out to be townie. I don't want to lynch him atm. | ||
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On September 16 2015 17:54 Rels wrote: Is activity the only reaon for your vote ? I saw your meta read earlier that was basically "inactive Damdred == mafia". Again: 1 - meta =X 2 - he had this level of activity the first few days in Newbie XI, and he was also a role in that game yes. and the way he posts. being a role here doesn't mean shit regarding activity because everyone is a role and Damdred has played this before. | ||
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On September 16 2015 06:09 Fecalfeast wrote: I said I don't like tictock and damdred rayn, I won't provide reads I don't have and my scumread right now are shaky at best I'd lynch a damdred that asks for mayor and then fucks off ezpz this post. | ||
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On September 16 2015 17:56 Rels wrote: Do you know if Damdred's meta read of Shining is fake ? no i don't. his reads here however are super non-detailed in comparison to his towngames. like the only read that makes sense for him to do as he does it is on Shining and i believe that is crap anyways because Shining looks really really townie. | ||
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I think he is not thinking the game properly. Like the post about LS and people's reads on him (mainly my and geript's) shows that he is not processing the information properly. | ||
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On September 16 2015 17:58 Tictock wrote: Actually speaking of Vivax, where has he run off to? Like these kinda posts make me think this guy is mafia. What is the point? | ||
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On September 15 2015 15:13 Tictock wrote: And does it seems like maybe rayn didn't have a reason to scumread LS then just agreed with your read? And this. | ||
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On September 16 2015 18:02 Rels wrote: I agree his analysis of the LS' push is bad. But think about his point of view: he wasn't here when people started suspecting LS' first posts. He saw LS' genuine posts and lots of people pushing LS. Outside of this and his TT's read, I agreed with all of this post. And even what I didn't agree with was super logical On September 16 2015 18:03 Rels wrote: I mean, that's why you were scumreading HTS yesterday; you didn't agree with what she said, even though it was logical. I generally think people who do not think things through properly before posting are mafia. I understand regarding James and HtS what you say could be the case here, but on the other hand it's really easy to come in when you are mafia and just trash on people on their read when the dude they were scumreading starts to look town (regarding to James and LS here). At the time me and geript were scumreading LS the read was really logical and made the most sense in the game (yes it really did). Both of them didn't even go into the reasons - they just said something i find out to be nonsense, especially considering LS is likely to be town here. It's easy to defend a townie when you are scum, and in neither of these cases (James & HtS) there was no reason to post what they did. Regarding TT. The second post i quoted jsut a while ago; I have a really hard time believing that is what the dude actually believes could be true. He has played with me, he knows how i do present my reads. I don't lay out everything at the start because it pushes out reactions. I have NEVER made a read, not explain it, and then NOT have reasons behind the read. Every single person who has ever played with me knows that. Like the dude has seen me make posts like this: On July 24 2015 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Barakos i would like you to elaborate onto your read on Barakos. ...and then he somehow believes it could be true i didn't have reasoning behind my read on LS at the start of the game. It is just bullshit. | ||
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On September 16 2015 18:31 Tictock wrote: So it kinda looked like you were giving a read, not explaining, then agreeing with geripts read. no no no. This is the order of events: 1) I make a post that suggests i think LS is mafia 2) geript votes for LS 3) i make a follow up post with semi-reasoning (regarding the first post - LS is either martyr or mafia) 4) geript asks me do i know why he thinks LS is mafia 5) i say no 6) geript tells me why he thinks LS is mafia 7) i say i agree because the thought process is similar to mine 8) i explain why i think LS is either martyr or mafia For what yo usay here to be true it requires me to be a fucking mind-reader and i would somehow know what geript will think before he even says LS is mafia, because every post i made on LS go together and is perfectly logical. I know i am good at this shit but i am sorry i am not a mind-reader and it is ridiculous you suggest that. | ||
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In fact it would be more likely that geript is doing what he suggests i was possibly doing if you read the thread properly. | ||
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On September 16 2015 19:19 Tictock wrote: Rayn I assume this is the post you refer to in #1? Kus tbh I felt it was kinda scummy that it took you 2 hours to react to his question, yet posted this inbetween. I was playing the other game inbetween and didn't read properly at that time. I jsut saw no new posts and thought "boring". | ||
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Do you even read the game you are posting in? Like we JUST talked about this for fucking pages.... | ||
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So don't expect tens of pages of filter from me during that time. | ||
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Can someone who knows Shining confirm or deny this ? If this is a lie, Damdred's read is super fake. Shining already explained this and he is town anyways. | ||
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Shining says he is taking anger management classes or whatever. Do you think he is lying? | ||
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On September 17 2015 00:46 Rels wrote: I kinda think Shining is town too, but what is important here is to know if Damdred's push on Shining is logical or fake. no it isn't. there is a difference in shining's play. Damdred would attack that as either alignment. It doesn't make him anything. That is the only real read Damdred has. | ||
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On September 17 2015 01:37 Rels wrote: No. This has nothing to do with shining lying or alignment. It's simple: if shining has an history of getting emotional as town, then I can understand damdred s scumread of him, even if it doesn't apply this game. I agree that outside of that, damdred may be scum for not being active if that is his scum meta. On September 17 2015 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: no it isn't. there is a difference in shining's play. Damdred would attack that as either alignment. It doesn't make him anything. That is the only real read Damdred has. | ||
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On September 17 2015 01:39 Rels wrote: Wtf You said LS had an history of sheeping town leaders LS proves with quotes from two other game, one that you were part of, that that is not true Stop dodging the fucking subject and explain why you stated an incorrect meta I am sorry but glowingbear is not a town leader regardless of what he has done in any game. Town leaders are strong players, glowingbear is not. | ||
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On September 17 2015 01:46 Rels wrote: OK so you're saying that ls defense isn't really true ? I want Hts to comment on that too since she apparently knows ls very well It isn't, he might think it is but it isn't. | ||
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On September 17 2015 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Dandel is there a reason you do not want to lynch Damdred and if yes, what is it? | ||
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On September 16 2015 18:10 Dandel Ion wrote: dunno how good his meta shit is (but geript disagreed so it's probably solid) but he knows about the shine, which is more than i can say about anybody else this game. If this is your reasoning then you should probably argue with me about why i am wrong and you are right because i literally just presented a counter-argument to this. | ||
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On September 17 2015 03:34 Fecalfeast wrote: Who is the best mayor candidate i don't see much talk of that. If rayn is town and playing this strongly and gets the grail wont he just be NK bait? yes, i don't want the grail for that reason and noone else should want me to have it as well. i will most likely die N2 if scum decide to kill Vivax on N1. | ||
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I dnu about James & HtS, like i can see reasons for them to be either alignment atm. I still think we should lynch Damdred. | ||
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On September 17 2015 05:23 LightningStrike wrote: I here and got out of class early and I been trying to answer people's concerns straight up to the best of my ability rayn. Plus I take you over Vivax because I can't remember much of Vivax other than he's the Martyr because no one cced him. We don't want him to have it because if he dies when he got it than we lose it for the rest of the game I think if I read the op correctly. okay. if you are sure i am town and you are right why would i not die? | ||
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On September 17 2015 05:27 LightningStrike wrote: Angel save assuming Vivax dies from the soup. Also I just checked the op about the timing of the lynch and it's 72 hour days so tomorrow is the deadline so that is a relief for me so I can be here tomorrow at deadline okay. why do you assume we lynch town D1? | ||
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On September 17 2015 05:39 LightningStrike wrote: I didn't assume Damdred is town is Angel saves work if the people don't get soup killed? If we lycnh mafia on D1 are they gonna angel save me when mafia kills me? | ||
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On September 17 2015 05:46 LightningStrike wrote: So with the soup being a night think only and if they use the soup over the kp than we can have the Grail on a Town leader(rayn). If the person who got the Grail dies it leaves the game. what he fuck you just wanted someone who is NOT going to die to have it-.... | ||
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On September 17 2015 05:51 LightningStrike wrote: I most likely not going to killed unless I dead right on someone's alignment and they see me as the biggest threat but I doubt that myself.We could potentally give it to FF because he normally lives very long despite the fact he got a high winrate if he lives in a long game(idk why most people let him live later in the games lol) see, you do it again..... maybe you are jsut mafia. | ||
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On September 17 2015 06:01 Fidei86 wrote: The Shining looks pretty good on his thread re-entry. I think lying about something as personal as anger management and losing friendships would be tough, and probably not worth it just to win a mafia game. unless you are Blazinghand. | ||
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I believe there is exactly two mafia in LightningStrike and TickTok. However my read on TT has been terrible in the game i was with him, so i am not completely sure of that. Damdred is basically begging a cop check so i don't think the lynch on him is a good idea. I also think the cop should check him because we either get a red, or we get a really good townie (if he can be trusted to be town). Dandel might be mafia here, i am not sure, i don't really see anyone else being scum outside these four people. I believe HtS to be town and i believe she is right on James if she is town (well she probably would not lie even if she was mafia sooo). | ||
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1) cop should claim whenever they have red. if you direct a cop check and have no claim you know you have a green check without the cop claiming - there is no GF and no roleblocker, nothing makes the checks unreliable and they always go through 2) If mafia wants to kill a scummy player, please, go ahead, it makes town's life easier 3) there are roles that benefit from knowing if someone visits a certain person. well one role, but still. | ||
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On September 17 2015 16:59 Bill Murray wrote: they're going to have to kill vivax, no? probably yes. there are two things that one of them will probably happen if we get a cop check on Damdred. 1) we lynch mafia on d1 - mafia will kill either vivax or damdred (if he is town). oracle will visit damdred aswell. if they kill vivax and the cop does not claim, we know damdred is green. good. if damdred dies, we know the guy we lynched D1 is red. 2) we lynch town on D1 - cop checks damdred. oracle will visit damdred aswell. the angel (dead townie) should protect damdred. mafia cannot kill damdred because he won't die. They are basically forced to shoot vivax. if the cop doesn't claim on D2 we know we have green. In both of the scenarios we get the most information out of the lynched players alignment (without the oracle - who knows that for sure - outing anything). In both scenarios we are, at worst, on D2 with a confirmed town still alive, in best case scenario, we have a dead scum, and another outed scum. It is literally the best play. And i want Damdred to be checked because he is definitely the most capable player from Dandel/him/LS/TT. If he is not mafia he is actually valuable, more than any other of those players. And i think everyone else is town. | ||
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On September 17 2015 17:06 Bill Murray wrote: if you think shining is town then damdred has to be mafia (pretty much) because damdred has been claiming a meta read on shining (saying shining is maf) which i dont think he would do if they were both town no that's not necessarily true. Damdred's meta-read on him is based on old information. Shining is playing differently and that's why Damdred is calling him mafia. But there is a reason why Shining is playing differently, as he explained. Like Damdred's read on Shining can come from both alignments, it's just NAI. | ||
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On September 17 2015 17:03 Bill Murray wrote: he's already NK bait after they get rid of Vivax Mafia knows Vivax can be angelic protected and use his save on Rayn which would result in 2 town being saved and then night 2 when one of them gets angelic protected they're at best at 3 kills on n3 I don't think you understand how this works. Mafia can EITHER night kill OR soup. Soup cannot be protected. So if mafia kills Vivax with soup (why wouldn't thay if they want to kill him?) he cannot be protected, and mafia cannot kill another player the same night (unless ofc they wanna continue souping). | ||
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His opening. Geript is definiteky right about his meta. Also see the next point. I talked about this earlier. LS has really hard time lying as mafia. Here he does things that are scummy when not explained. When people ask him to ezplain, instead of laying out his thought process he takes a re-route and talks about something distantly related to the matter (see for example the GB stuff - that jhas nothing to do with what geript said because gb is NEVER a town leader even when he is "leading"). Also see the part where i ask his grail vote. Sorry for bad explanation. I am on phone and posting on phone is shit. | ||
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On September 17 2015 18:44 Rels wrote: About the grail: I would prefer TT to have it, but ff is a good holder if he s town. My problem is that I'm not convinced he s town, but a lot of people thinks so. I prefer tt but I would vote ff over geript. Actually I will if my vote is a decider. What the fucking fuck rels????? | ||
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On September 19 2015 18:46 Rels wrote: reread the timestamps he claimed exactly at deadline yeah i got that, the timestamps on new TL are fucking horrible. i hate those. i hate the new design as whole... | ||
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On September 19 2015 18:55 Vivax wrote: Damdred still has to die. Shining was an okay target by Dandel, we might be at two witches left without knowing it. I still don't know why geript died though. no, shining was not mafia. geript dies because we were down tow townies and mafia medic dodged. it's fucking obvious. | ||
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On September 19 2015 19:05 Rels wrote: rayn. Explanation please if you are town and believe i am town and geript is town you lynch LS over Dandel 10 times out of 10. | ||
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Why do you townread James for saying LS makes sense when nothing LS says basically makes sense? - Ask LS questions: - He answers to something unrelated to the question - Ask LS who is mafia: - He says Damdred - Ask LS who is other mafia: - He says shining might have been -Ask LS why Damdred is his strongest scumread if there is no red check on him (which would prolly make him town): - he says shining might have been the cop.. Vivax don't be stupid here now. There is absolutely no way i am mafia and kill geript when he basically has my back 100% in this game. Especially when he is scumreading LS. LS is scum, that is the easiest explanation because he is not even trying to scumhunt, and geript got shot. That is a fact. Damdred might be mafia assuming people in this game do not fucking listen to me and do shit that they are not supposed to do. This is a claim game, when is time to claim. This is also a game where people are supposed to do what they are told to, because of no flips, and mafia getting the night kill roles. The only role that can claim is dead, noone is gonna save themselves by claiming. Mafia knows geript's role and If someone claims it is not to be trusted. Noone should counter-claim if the lynch target is claiming. Period. James is probably scum aswell, i am unsure about the third. I kinda think Damdred is not mafia. BM is probably town, Vivax is town, Rels is... meh.. i don't fucking know, if he had not 14 pages of filter i would probably lynch him for the reasons i have laid out. Tictock is another meh... he says stuff that doesn't make any sense. Tictock what happens if we lynch LS here and he is town? Your dumb post about the numbers makes no fucking sense at all. | ||
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On September 20 2015 20:47 Rels wrote: I read FF's filter and I have no idea how to read the guy. Here is why he could be mafia: - sheeping the vote sentiment: being one of the last voters on both the Dandel train and the Damdred check vote, now sheeping a vote on LS. - not doing much scumhunting, just poping in the thread from time to time to discuss stuff So nothing strong. Now I'm really waiting HTS and Vivax to tell me what they think of him 'cause they apparently can read the guy easily. @FF: did Vivax or HTS correctly read you as mafia before ? If yes it means their townread on you can be believed. your first point does not mean anything. | ||
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On September 20 2015 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: your first point does not mean anything. If anything you look the most terrible from the lynch. | ||
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On September 16 2015 08:28 Fidei86 wrote: - I think Lightning Strike is town, and I think the early push on him was suspect. I don't know how any of you can be surprised that LS says stuff that doesn't add up early on. He's done that in every game I've seen him in, and he's also basically like that in voice. The way that he responded to Rels at his post #362 (basically "I'm not talking to you any more") felt very genuine, and exactly how I'd expect angsty town LS to respond. this read doesn't make any sense at all because this is not what LS is doing. LS is not being "incomprehensible". LS just plain out refuses to answer simple questions, and not for once or twise, but EVERY time. - I think the person who comes out from the LS push looking the worst is TT. At his post #218 he basically says that LS is a "fine lynch", but his reasons are just re-hashes of what other people have posted earlier. He then takes it back at (#473) after others already had. I also think his town reads of Rayn, Rels and Vivax feel a little ... safe. I think thread sentiment is all pretty set on those three already, for pretty obvious reasons. When TT was mafia in HG he felt like he was always on the right side of every argument, and so far he reminds me of this. this read doesn't make any sense. for several reasons. It is an assumption that LS is town. Okay, it kinda makes sense, but then look at what he says about HtS?!?!?!?! The opposite. HtS comes off looking town because she is wrong on LS (and knows LS way better than TT does). roflskates. Also look at the bolded part. "TT is mafia because he reads obvious townies (that everyone else also reads) town". ROFL! SERIOUSLY?!?! I don't have a good handle on geript, TS (whose thread entry got a lot of talk, but which seemed pretty NAI to me) and FF. HTS is playing the same as the last two games we played together (when she was town). Her reason to scum me look genuine enough (if wrong, lol), and her read evolutions on LS and BM look natural. I think she's probably a town read, but I'm pretty sure when she does roll scum she'll fool me. "I think she is town but i wouldn't know if she was scum." Yeah dude great read. | ||
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On September 20 2015 20:57 Rels wrote: rayn, you attacking me when you were not here EOD AND without explaining why, just "if you were town you would have lynched LS over Dandel" is super weird I know how you play. I know Dandel refusing to explain his two weird reads would have made you lynch him I don't care if i was here or not in the EoD. That does not make you look any better. The point still stands, i would think if you are town you would 100% get on LS with me and geript who btw WAS here on EoD. | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:00 Rels wrote: So rayn. I'm voting LS, since his filter dive didn't convince me he was town. Since everybody is OK with his lynch, if he is mafia it is a bus. With whom ? James and idk yet. All the dead people are 99,8% town. | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:02 Rels wrote: There is NO reason for you to attack me on that If you feel my reasonning for voting Dandel is bad, show me how it is fucking bad But at EOD I felt he was more likely to be scum than LS. Actually I was pretty sure Dandel was scum I don't care. I think you are more likely to be town than some other people so it doesn't really matter. I guess i am just mad at you.. *sigh* | ||
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Red check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislynch left before losing Green check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislyng before losing we know for a fact dandel was town. so rels, explain it to me like i am five, why does the Exorcist not shoot if we mislynch? Because i can only think of one thing.... | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:17 Bill Murray wrote: yeah this is all WIFOM we have no idea who was fucking checked why the fuck would a cop go with your plan? you're not as townie as you think it was my plan. | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:18 Rels wrote: Because I forgot about him What is your explanation for mafia me forgetting it ? i am sorry but if you are mafia you know geript's role. | ||
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On September 19 2015 14:57 Tictock wrote: Also, just gunna throw this out there. Cop (Inquisitor) doesn't NEED to claim if they have a red check imo. In fact I'm not sure it's a good idea at all anymore. Right now we know Vixax is martyr, if Cop claims with a red-check on Damdred then mafia can soup them both tonight, and possibly more if they have some read on other roles. So claiming a redcheck is a 1 mafia for 2 town trade. Given that mafia goes for the soup kill. That would (again assuming we are 7/3 now) put us into a 5/2. Leaving town with the one mislynch before we are in lylo. So think things through yourself, check if I'm right here and if it's still a good call to claim a check in this situation. like i literally hate this post so very much. probably the worst post in the thread and the dude has balls to bash on others on the setup speculation.... | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:28 Vivax wrote: This whole inquisitor claim as a basis for Damdred's alignment is super shit. No it's not. If the cop was either retard or one of the dead people then it's unfortunate, but it is not. | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:32 Rels wrote: I don't understand how But I understand if you don't want to explain because it would give infos If you are mafia and know geript was the exorcist it is easy to make the mistake of not including the exorcist into setup analysis at all (because duh.. they are dead). Again, if you do setup analysis i assume you AT LEAST READ THE ROLES that are in the game. rofl. | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:40 Bill Murray wrote: who is "him" here? Rels? Vivax? who has a point? Rels? Vivax? use what against who? i dont see how using logic A for player A means logic A works for player b you're being illogical I make a plan. Rels agrees with it. You townread me. You scumread him FOR agreeing with me. You are using "sheeping rayn" against him. And I AM BEING ILLOGICAL? | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:43 Rels wrote: Yes it does EVERYBODY is scumreading LS at this point So this is a bus Why wouldn't LS lie low and let his partner bus him if he was mafia ? shut up the claim is the only claim he does as scum. | ||
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There is literally no downside for making the claim. But good enough, at least we know geript's role 100%. | ||
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Literally we end up in a SAME FUCKING SITUATION EVEN IF LS IS TOWN!!!!!! 1) LS is mafia. We lynch mafia and have 1 person to soap (vivax). 2) LS is town - the exorcist can shoot mafia, we have 1 person to soap (vivax) It is still 2 dead town 1 dead mafia. Stop being terrible. Not to even mention [/b]CLAIMING WONT SAVE YOU YOU DUMBASS!!!"!!"!!!! AND YOU MADE THE ONLY CLAIM, LS, THAT IS THE BEST THING FOR MAFIA.[/b] You should have played the game properly if you are town. | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:55 Rels wrote: geript could be pope too if LS is mafia please explain how you know geript is 100% wraith it doesn't matter we are gonna massclaim anyways when there is 1 mafia left. It doesn't matter which one geript was. | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:58 Vivax wrote: I think it has already been said somewhere that LS is exposing himself to the risk of a double CC if he says he's the pope AND he has been visited by the wraith (which would make sense if it was geript cause he was suspicious of LS I suppose) DOUBLE CC IS TERRIBLE BECAUSE WE FUCKING LOST THREE PEOPLE AT NIGHT. Fuck why do i end up playing this setup with dumb people. I really hope i was mafia.... | ||
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On September 20 2015 22:21 Rels wrote: rayn. HTS clearly stated LS is incapable of lying. And I think you did too, that was part of your argument about why LS was scum, about how he was not really answering questions so he didn't have to lie now if that is false, HTS is mafia. But someone would have said it already if it was false if that is true, LS is telling the truth SO WHAT? DOES HE CLAIM MAFIA IF HE IS MAFIA OR WHAT? It's not like LS has never called any townie mafia in his mafia games. What the fuck is this bullshit. | ||
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On September 20 2015 22:31 Rels wrote: rayn YOU said LS dodged questions cause he has difficulties lying And now you're saying he's lying about: - his claim - geript being wraith - geript visiting him Has LS ever fakeclaimed ? Are you this fucking bad or what? I am fucking done posting in this game before the lynch. This is retarded as fuck. | ||
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On September 20 2015 23:16 Rels wrote: Whatever though, we're lynching BM. You trying to throw the game again like in D1? Whatever. feel free to, i literally don't care about this game anymore. | ||
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On September 21 2015 02:53 Rels wrote: Do you really believe ls is scum Or are you mad at him he's playing badly Cause you tend to do that I believe he is scum. I also KNOW that lynching him will put as into ABSOLUTELY same position we are WITHOUT lynching him (if not better). Except that we will know his alignment for sure, on N2, and not D3. Which makes it a BETTER position to be honest. | ||
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On September 21 2015 03:00 Rels wrote: OK I got it. If we decided to lynch town today, the best lynch would be ls since he claimed By that logic, we should have lynched vivax yesterday Lynching mafia > lynching claimed town > lynching unclaimed town But here is what we can do. If we cannot agree to a target before deadline, the judge should lynch ls no. we lynch LS. regardless of his affiliation that is the correct play. WE END UP IN A SAME SITUATION EXCEPT WE KNOW HIS ALIGNMENT FOR SURE. Jesus fucking christ why is this so hard? Judge killing LS is not the correct play. We lynching LS is. If you think you can promote discussion with this and this is some fucking stunt from you, well dont. It doesn't help one bit. | ||
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By that logic, we should have lynched vivax yesterday and what kinda idiotic statement this is? the situation is completely different. | ||
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On September 21 2015 03:05 Rels wrote: You always manage to convince me to do what you think yeah like D1... why do you have to make these posts? | ||
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On September 21 2015 03:06 Rels wrote: You know what I agree to lynch ls if the exorcist shoot bm I would prefer James but i don't really care about this game anymore. Maybe you are right but i am 90% sure BM is not mafia. If people won't even try to understand why this thing must be played in a certain way when there are soup kills and mafia gets the roles of NK'd ppl then it's going to be impossible to win already. | ||
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The reason why Vivax claimed on D1 is because then people cannot hide behind claims and HAVE to play this game by just.. playing the game. There are people who do that as town, like Dandel. Apparently he didn't give any fucks and i hate it. And i know it's because he just.. .didn't give a shit because "he gets to shoot anyways". Which is idiotic. That role is one of the best roles lategame because it cannot be counterclaimed ever, otherwise you just die. Well, LS has not played, at all. When geript died mafia got his role. Now LS claims the ONLY thing that he can basically ever claim as mafia. Because it can (and i believe mafia thinks it will) force out a counter claim. LS is going to die anyways if he doesn't claim and he knows that. If he claims he does the best thing for scum if someone counter-claims. Because then mafia can STILL soup two people. Vivax, and the claim. Here is why the lynch is the best: 1) LS is mafia - obviously best scenario 2) LS is town and we lynch him - we know he is town because exorcist shoot someone, hopefully mafia (yes i am really sure James is mafia), on D3 -> D2/N2 there were 2 dead town, 1 dead mafia 3) LS is town and we do not lynch him -> we lynch mafia instead - On N2 mafia soups LS + Vivax. SAME FUCKING POSITION. 4) LS is town and we do not lynch him -> we lynch town - Exorcist shoots mafia. On N2 mafia soups LS + Vivax. WORSE FUCKING POSITION. 5) LS is town and we do not lynch him -> we lynch town - Exorcist shoots LS. On N2 mafia kills whoever. WORSE FUCKING POSITION. The only scenario, even if we lynch mafia that is not LS, is WORSE/SAME than lynching him. The only scenario which is BETTER is if we lynch him and is mafia. IT IS THE BEST PLAY REGARDLESS OF HIS AFFILIATION. | ||
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On September 21 2015 03:36 Half the Sky wrote: Off topic - I am digging Talisker rayn btw - I think I dig Storm a little more than the 10 year but they are both damned good. Storm is good, Dark Storm better. I think it was ~50eur / litre (obvs tax free). | ||
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Except if LS is mafia and Damdred is not you totally fucked up. | ||
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I don't even care anymore what LS is because the best play is to just lynch him rn. | ||
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On September 21 2015 20:29 LightningStrike wrote: Rayn can you promise me something? No i can't. You have to understand if you are town your play has been terribly sub-par this game and whatever you say here the best play is to lynch you, even if you are town. So there is that, make cases on mafia if you are not mafia - instead of posting all kinds of bullshit. Sorry but that's the truth. Why don't people just fucking play the game?? | ||
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He isn't discussing anything that is related to scumhunting. Probs scum. | ||
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On September 21 2015 20:42 LightningStrike wrote: Well here a question that I know might going to be a hot topic later on: What you think BM vs Rels arguements from Page 57 to now? both town. | ||
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Like he ends the day with a big case on why LS is mafia, has no idea why Dandel would be mafia (no, he doesn't even comment on the cases - just says Rels' case is "good", then ends up making a case on LS - but then ends up voting for Dandel). idk, it doesn't make any sense to me. | ||
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Like compare to any game he has ever played before. I can put up a case soon. I need to shower first. | ||
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On September 20 2015 20:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: this read doesn't make any sense at all because this is not what LS is doing. LS is not being "incomprehensible". LS just plain out refuses to answer simple questions, and not for once or twise, but EVERY time. this read doesn't make any sense. for several reasons. It is an assumption that LS is town. Okay, it kinda makes sense, but then look at what he says about HtS?!?!?!?! The opposite. HtS comes off looking town because she is wrong on LS (and knows LS way better than TT does). roflskates. Also look at the bolded part. "TT is mafia because he reads obvious townies (that everyone else also reads) town". ROFL! SERIOUSLY?!?! "I think she is town but i wouldn't know if she was scum." Yeah dude great read. | ||
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On September 21 2015 22:09 Half the Sky wrote: Preferred lynches tonight (in order) 1 Damdred 2 James (Fidei) 3 LS ("aka the plan") I strongly prefer 1, with a gap between that and #2 and an even larger gap between that and #3. I mean the play in lynching LS is to prevent the soup kill correct? Lemme check the post.... D2 in general was quite unproductive tbf rayn, it was the weekend. You were in Sweden, others had other things going on. I myself had a window of maybe 3 hours maximum that I could play on the entire weekend. At least BM is probably not mafia. Didn't get around to checking Tictock though. I can directly vouch for Fidei's absence Friday night - I was playing dota with him, then, until 3am fact. Saturday he had sport all day, IDK. I'm just saying RL commitments are NAI. The only thing I'd judge him on would be Sunday night where he prioritises a game that is in 2:1 lylo over here. The main reason I'd lynch into him is what I do know about his hesitation to play mafia, the fact that I've read most others here as town, barring 1-2 I could be wrong on (previously stated). I am not saying he is mafia because of his absence. I am saying he is mafia because of what he has posted when he has posted, which pretty much says nothing despite there being many words. Like can you understand him saying "i think HtS is town but she could easily fool me if she was mafia"!??!?!? Like what is the point of saying so and how can he possibly read you as town if he thinks you could easily be mafia aswell? The timing of his last post was a coincidence because i just finished reading his filter when i posted after. | ||
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On September 21 2015 22:21 Rels wrote: But LS is town and Damdred is mafia, so we are in the "same fucking deal" situation, except the mafia has to soup instead of killing who they want. That's actually a point i didn't consider. I still would prefer lynching James because i am way more certain of him being scum and i am gonna feel really fucking dumb if the cop has a green on Damdred and we lynch him here... Like there is no way the cop can claim any more. At least not today. Even if he has a red on ANYONE That's why it should be done at the start of the day. | ||
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On September 21 2015 22:26 Rels wrote: What you said about TT making a case on LS but voting Dandel anyway is interesting. But geript did too, to consolidate with town. Was what TT did much different ? I don't have time to filter dive this afternoon, so if nobody checks that I'll do it tonight. geript clearly consolidated. Hell he even said he thinks he is voting for someone who is town. TT just didn't care at all. | ||
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On September 21 2015 22:30 Rels wrote: alright I'll checked that tonight. We're not lynching him today anyway so I have time. But I am pretty sure TT is town, unless he managed to match his play last game perfectly AND decided to try hard all game rofl he hasn't tried anything hard. i think that's a misrepresentation of his filter. The dude has ZERO reads on D2. Fucked off on D1 EoD while contradicting himself and i don't really know what he was doing before, all other in his filter is mechanics talk which he doesn't even do/think properly... | ||
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On September 21 2015 22:35 Rels wrote: Yeah he is scummy as town, I thought he was mafia the last game too for a while. But he's playing exactly the same so what does he do as mafia? Why would he questioned confirmed town (Vivax) and universally townread (you) if he was mafia ? i think the better question is why would he do that as town? i don't think questioning me is alignment indicative, questioning Vivax definitely is. And he tryhard the whole D1, he was even the first to do so. I agree he needs to continue doing that starting now though Again, what does he do as mafia then? Being dumb or scummy is NOT a towntell.. | ||
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On September 21 2015 22:40 Rels wrote: Maybe I'm biaised because I think I can read him. I'll let him defend against what you said, and I'll also see if he starts being more active Fine, then tell me why FF is mafia because that's basically what you are suggesting here and i don't see it. His D1 is fucking strong. | ||
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On September 21 2015 23:04 Rels wrote: OK since you're forcing me: BM is either mafia OR something, and I'm waiting tomorrow to confirm Damdred is 99% mafia fidei might be mafia or his excuses are valid. Either way he said he'll catch tonight so we'll see TT might have fooled me but I read him town all game How does this make any sense? You literally just said i am more likely to be mafia than BM is. | ||
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On September 21 2015 22:58 Rels wrote: I'm not sure about the third I'll lynch TT because of POE over you or LS, but I read him as town here. | ||
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On September 21 2015 23:07 Rels wrote: now I'm not going to do a town case on TT unless he is getting lynched and I still think he is town If you want to scumhunt yes, you are. You are also gonna tell me why i am more likely to be mafia than BM and why you are contradicting yourself. | ||
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On September 21 2015 23:10 Rels wrote: Did you see I didn't mention Vivax either ? NO BUT YOU MENTIONED ME. You literally said "I am lynching TT based on POE over you or LS." Which literally means you think i am more likely to be mafia. If that was not the case you would have said; "I am lynching TT based on POE over BM or LS." You are fucking scum. | ||
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On September 21 2015 23:11 Rels wrote: Did you notice I spent all the afternoon yesterday looking for scum, while you left the thread ? And now you're suspecting me 'cause I'm not scumhunting ? that's not why i am suspecting you. I am suspecting you because what you now say makes absolutely no fucking sense at all and you are contradicting yourself over and over again. | ||
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On September 21 2015 23:15 Rels wrote: OK rayn. I spent hours fighting someone yesterday that may not be scum. I won't do it again, especially since I'm working. So write a clear case about how I contradicted myself and I'll answer it. I already did. You are perfectly capable of reading my posts. | ||
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On September 21 2015 23:17 Rels wrote: yeah and it doesn't make sense. Me saying I'll lynch TT over you or LS means TT is my number 3 town. And that is what I think so I don't understand your attack After me and LS? | ||
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On September 21 2015 23:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so you seem to be really sure that Damdred and James are mafia. Somehow you insist we lynch Damdred over James, when there is absolutely no reason to. Then you don't know who is the third mafia and apparently you don't even care. Why? Why this all? First: Rels thinks it is obvious Damdred and James are mafia. Fair enough. For some reason he insists we lynch Damdred over James. Why? It doesn't make any sense as he is sure both of them are mafia. Second: Then we talk about tictock. Rels has a townread on him. but he cannot lay out a single reason why he has a town read on him. He has meta points, he doesn't clarify them. He has also bad points that actually make more sense from scum than town perspective (see the middle of the quote below. On September 21 2015 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: so what does he do as mafia? i think the better question is why would he do that as town? i don't think questioning me is alignment indicative, questioning Vivax definitely is. Again, what does he do as mafia then? Being dumb or scummy is NOT a towntell.. Here is what he actually does say about him. On September 21 2015 22:40 Rels wrote: Maybe I'm biaised because I think I can read him. I'll let him defend against what you said, and I'll also see if he starts being more active On September 21 2015 22:58 Rels wrote: I'm not sure about the third I'll lynch TT because of POE over you or LS, but I read him as town On September 21 2015 23:07 Rels wrote: now I'm not going to do a town case on TT unless he is getting lynched and I still think he is town None of this makes any sense because if Rels thinks TT is town, Rels should be arguing why he is town. It helps the town in PoE. I think it is more likely he doesn't actually have any reasons to think TT is town, because the reasons he has laid out are not really reasons... Third thing is this: On September 21 2015 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fine, then tell me why FF is mafia because that's basically what you are suggesting here and i don't see it. His D1 is fucking strong. On September 21 2015 22:47 Rels wrote: I filter dove him yesterday looking for scumtells and I didn't find much. That's why I'm sheeping HTS' meta read of him being town He can't lay out reasons why either of FF/TT is mafia. It's not uncommon in itself, but he doesn't even care. He doesn't read HtS scum either. Like in his world (not counting my next point), FF basically HAS to be mafia if TT is not, but instead of figuring it out by himself he trusts HtS' meta read on him........ It doesn't make any sense because again, if TT is strong town!!! he is DEFINITELY missing something and then it is most likely HtS meta read. But instead he doesn't care. At all. Last thing; Okay the point before could be understood if this; On September 21 2015 22:58 Rels wrote: I'm not sure about the third I'll lynch TT because of POE over you or LS, but I read him as town .... was true. That would mean Rels reads me as scum (as i think the quote says, because it makes no sense to not list Vivax here otherwise). But apparently he doesnt. Apparently he doesn't read BM mafia either, because if he did he would be arguing he is the third mafia. Apparently he doesn't read HtS mafia either, which is quite clear from his posts. So, given all this, he basically has to think FF is the last mafia given that he has a strong townread on TT (over BM and HtS both). There is literally no other possible answer. But again, his answer is; I filter dove him yesterday looking for scumtells and I didn't find much. That's why I'm sheeping HTS' meta read of him being town So they guy basically has 100% PoE'd FF as last mafia but calls him town because of someone else's meta read. no no no. It is almost 100% certain Rels fucked up at some point when talking with me (i think it's the point where he called TT strongest town after me and LS - and couldn't just explain properly anymore). The fact is he is contradicting himself, and for the person who says he is being scumhunting all game long it doesn't make any fucking sense that NOW, suddenly NOW he really doesn't care about scumhunting anymore. (yes he really doesn't, i think i have pointed that out clearly). + the fact i brought up on D1; It is a minor point but i think it still stands. Here; On September 20 2015 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is nothing fucking weird in that. Two arguably the most experienced players in this game have a really strong scumread on LS and basically no read on Dandel and you decide to lynch Dandel. That is weird, not my concerns on you. I actaully think Rels is trying to push a mislynch on Damdred who is inactive for whatever reason. He knows LS is gonna claim on D2 because i WILL be pushing him for his play and LS doesn't listen / think properly. His play doesn't make any sense otherwise (another point on my argument on the James/Damdred thing). Rels is scum. Nothing in his play on D2 makes any sense. He has only been interested in people who he should not be interested in (except for BM, but that didn't go anywhere). After that, he just doesn't care about people he should care about (TT/FF). | ||
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On September 21 2015 17:14 Rels wrote: Thinking about it, this is what is the best plan I feel: LS lynch Damdred shot fidei check Worst plan ever. Lynch Rels. Lynch James. Lynch TT. That is the best plan. | ||
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On September 22 2015 00:09 Rels wrote: and that is false now can you fucking answer the questions how did you mistake my "I'll lynch TT over you and LS" post with "TT is townier than you" ? and do you think Damdred is town ? I am not answering anything to you because you are mafia. Now go die scum. | ||
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On September 22 2015 00:13 Rels wrote: ARE YOU SAYING I PLANNED TO DIRECT THE CHECK BECAUSE I KNEW DANDEL WAS GRANDIER AND I KNEW SHINING WAS COP AND I KNEW DANDEL WAS GOING TO SHOOT SHINING Don't be an idiot. If you are mafia you know very well if shining has a chance to be a cop or not. Again, don't pretend you don't know the mechanics of this game. | ||
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On September 22 2015 00:12 Tictock wrote: I actually want to lynch LS. I thought his claim was terrible and there was quite a few things that make me think it's fake. ofc you do because i have solved the game and i am lynching your scumbuddy. | ||
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On September 22 2015 00:19 Vivax wrote: Rayn RELS IS NEVER MAFIA. NEVER EVER NEVER blergh I don't believe that. There is a huge chunk of inconsistencies in his play. I srsly do not believe Damdred is mafia and the only thing that makes sense is if Rels is in fact scum. Unless you believe LS is scum... | ||
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On September 22 2015 00:24 Rels wrote: And you fucking said my reasons for calling TT town were not detailed enough yes. | ||
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On September 22 2015 00:27 Rels wrote: and why do you NOT fucking answer the easy question that started everything HOW DID YOU MISTAKE MY POST FOR "TT IS TOWNIER THAN YOU" BE C*AUSE *I READ IT FUCKING LIEK THAT. BE FUCKING CLEAR IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND YOU. It doesn't change the fact you are scummy as fuck and you should die. | ||
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THE POST DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE IF YOU DIDN'T SUGGEST THERE IS A CHANCE I AM MAFIA OR LS IS MAFIA. | ||
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On September 22 2015 00:35 Rels wrote: I need to go You read my post wrong THINK about it if you're town And i clearly explained WHY YOUR ACTIONS IN THIS GAME DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE if i read it wrong. | ||
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i am sorry i was not talking about you. i was talkign about this game as a whole. people cant even bother to play or read the fucking OP. It is an INSULT towards the hosts. Hell even our CONFIRMED TOWN hasn't bother to read the mechanics of the game. Go fucking figure. | ||
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On September 22 2015 00:43 Vivax wrote: What does this have to do with mechanics. Damdred doesn't care in the slightest and he had a SHITTON of out of game days to fix that and whatever he's busy with, and he still doesn't care. All this role talk doesn't change that fact which is a fact that makes people mafia or douchebag townies. It has to do with mechanics because you are contesting several people about their "plans" or whatever you want to call them when they are being completely reasonable with them. YOU are the one who hasn't read them, and if they are mafia you give them a completely reasonable reason to talk about something that is NOT relevant to "who is mafia".... that's what i am talking about. Rels: I am once more trying to be very clear and i want you to answer me as clearly as you can, please. I am not trying to be a dick towards you, it just makes me see red when someone doesn't even bother to read my post and then argues mee with something that is like 10% of the case.... Here are my problems with you: 1) You for some reason insist that we lynch Damdred on this day. You clearly think (or thought, before you called me mafia) - at that time - that both of Damdred and James are 100% mafia. So, there are actually reasons for Damdred to be town, if the cop is alive. And the fact that EVERYONE calls Damdred mafia. It literally makes James more likely to be mafia, REGARDLESS OF Damdred's play. But somehow you, an obviously bright person, can't see that and make the most obvious conclsuion (that James is clearly the best lynch here). 2) You are not interested in figuring out who the last mafia is. You just are not. In your world FF or BM should be the last mafia. But instead of figuring out which one, you come to conclusion "i trust HtS' meta read on FF yolo" and "BM is either mafia or town tomorrow for reasons i won't give here". That is not scumhunting, that is avoiding scumhunting. Which is scummy, as you JUST had called BM 90% scum...... 3) Your read on TT is literally shit. Here are your reasons for reading him town: - TT is always scummy - yeah that really makes him town right? - I am good at reading TT - yeah you literally 100% misread him last game....... makes sense? - Why would he question confirmed town (Vivax) - that is not a fucking towntell, it's a scumtell, because he should NOT do that as town... So yeah, can you see why i have a hard time thinking you are town. That's literally everything you have done on D2 besides arguing about pointless things with me and BM (yes, your argument was really pointless from both ends). I don't give any fucks if you have 2 pages or 100 pages of filter, those are clear inconsistencies in your thought process i think should not be there if you are town. So please, if you are town, explain. | ||
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Damdred is not going to be mafia in this game. that is for fucking sure. His EoD1 makes no sense if he is mafia. Absolutely none. | ||
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Also can you elaborate more on your read on LS. One of those four is not mafia and three of them are. This is actually really important right now because i am getting back to the "LS is scum" train and then i have no fucking clue which of those three is town (except James is not). | ||
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On September 18 2015 03:10 Damdred wrote: Though lynching me here might not be a horrid decision...i won't be able to play full time till sunday On September 18 2015 03:52 Damdred wrote: Actually id like to say a couple of things about ls, for the record IM at 65/35% that he's town at this point so I sorta don't want to vote him even if he is the counter wagon to me. The big thing that makes me doubt him is the way he's handling the situation with me saying id be ok with deadline voting ls and never doing so btw. The problem is that he is totally leaving context out of what he's saying in that I never called him scum but he was heavily hinting he could be martyr and my comment followed after rayns comment about pressuring him near start of the game. I find it a pretty crappy reason overall, and I'm effectively a lurker this game so I'm a bit surprised that he doesn't have a stronger scum read at this juncture. However one of the first things he does that make me go wow this is probably town ls is when he shows that vs meta to show how I go after him as scum. While its worth noting totally different concept and doesn't look the same at all I don't think I can see scum ls trying to call me out and help a lynch on me when I could ub afk and nail him to the wall. Plus he's been a bit more active then he normally would and seems pretty honest at this juncture. I think he has a decent shot at being town here so I really don't want to vote him. I'll read some more give more impressions. On September 18 2015 04:02 Damdred wrote: No clue poopyfeast. Your filter is sorta devoid of a lot of things that I would normally town or scum read you on. Your only real pushes or reads seem to be me+grail for yourself. And tour push seems to be the one who jumps on it while saying that I could be town or scum. So would be towards the bottom of null On September 18 2015 04:06 Damdred wrote: Honestly sand is someone who I could lynch today just because of the hard town read on me without any real reason to be town read. can you link me to your case so I can read it and give thoughts Here is a set of posts Damdred made when there was a big wagon on him and basically LS was the only counter-wagon. At some time before these posts Rels has made a case on Dandel. The thing is this kinda play makes no sense as mafia because you are basically trying to get lynched here if you are mafia. Damdred has obviously not read the case on Dandel before he makes his last post. That makes me almost definitely sure he has no team (who would tell him in scum QT that there is a case on Dandel he can save himself voting for). Instead of wanting to lynch LS Damdred stands behind his read on him. Now this could make sense if Damdred was mafia with LS, but then again, why doesn't he just vote for Dandel and "save them both"? It makes literally no sense Damdred is mafia here. The vote switch to Dandel becomes way more interesting given this fact, and even the push on Damdred becomes interesting here because every other person (me, geript, HtS) who are actually good at reading LS (sorry Damdred, but your tracking record on people who you are supposed to be good at reading at hasn't been.... quite good lately) thinks LS is mafia. I again think LS is the best lynch here. ##unvote ##DeadlineVote LightningStrike To add to the case on him, i have asked multiple times for him to play. He refuses to. Here is the kicker; If you are the exorcist, in case LS is town, there is literally 0% chance Damdred is mafia. So if this is the unfortunate case, you should be shooting James 100% of the time. If LS flips mafia and you don't have a shot, good. | ||
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On September 20 2015 09:19 Tictock wrote: Gosh looks like another really slow day. Damdred is the only person who hasn't posted since this phase started, which makes me wonder if he's waiting to see if anyone claims a check on him. Assuming all 3 dead thus far are town then that's a 3/10 chance the Inq is dead or about a 70% chance that he is still alive with a green check on Damdred. Give or take some certainty if the Inq is like minded to myself or Fidei and holding a redcheck. So ~70% chance Damdred is town despite him being one of the more scum read people this game. Is that enough to consider him confirmed town like rayn suggests? I'd kinda like to hear Damdred's opinions on the game before fleshing out my own thoughts on him more... I think at best I can consider him null right now. ugfh.... iam again caught to this post. this post is so fucking terrible. 3/10 chance that the cop is dead. really tictock? REALLY? omfg... | ||
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Damdred and Fidei have both been completely absent today, which makes it hard especially when Damdred has been heavily contested all game. Fidei I think at least has a decent excuse for putting more focus on his other game, but I'm thinking this makes him a solid check. [QUOTE] Why does this guy think Damdred can be scum but Fidei has a lower chance of being scum when; 1) BOTH of them are in two games 2) James has been posting in the other game, Damdred has not............. ..,................ . . .. ..... . .what? | ||
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LS is mafia. He is most likely being lynched on D2 because of rayn is pushing him. LS has said he will claim (which is true about 100% of the time either alignmetn). Mafia team (whoever that is who has any fucking brain) tells him; "Hey LS, see, geript was this role here. You need to say that he visited you and you got his role, because it will give out another townie and we can then soup two people if someone claims, or hell, maybe someone even believes you over the other guy who cc's you". What does LS do? It's not like he has to come up with this himself. He has a fucking team who can tell him what to do. | ||
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On September 22 2015 02:43 Half the Sky wrote: Yeah I tried to break it down. The ONE point where I agree with him is why geript would visit LS and then that's what made me go back through LS's filter and I found something in LS's filter that makes him look really bad. He brought up something about geript RNGing who he'd visit so I just posed a question to LS now on it. The first half of Tictock's post was questioning the timing of LS's claim and doing it with little pressure. The problem with that sentiment is that LS as town is KNOWN for pulling that shit and known for losing his head as town under slight pressure. It has wrecked town before. That is what I tried to break down. The point is not if he is fakeclaiming as town. Because if he is town he is 100% not fakeclaiming. If he is mafai, however, that is the ONLY claim he is going to make (because it is based on geript's role whose role mafia knows 100%). Again, the problem with Tictock's post is that he is saying the exact same thing i did before. Just with more words. | ||
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On September 18 2015 01:55 Tictock wrote: Ok so checking back on LS. I felt like the way LS defending himself early was decent, and most of the arguments against him were based in meta which he provided counter-examples to. My issue when reading his filter though is that it is almost all him defending and answering questions. LS has very few reads, and only really pushes Damdred. Maybe I missed some posts but all I got from his filter was that LS is scumreading Damdred > geript, and that he thinks Rayn is town, and likes BM. The werid thing about his reads that Rels was pointing out is how he says this about geript before pushing Damdred. then When pressured to read me LS only comes up with null like he has all game, and besides this post I can't find anytime that he's trying to read anyone else. But LS ignored Rel's case about Dandel when he was around earlier. It also seems pretty clear LS has no interest in the grail vote. Votes for rayn without bothering to consider anything about the grail (or that rayn is voting for geript to have it). Posts this But then has no opinion about the grail when I asked him. All in all I'm not liking what I see. Rayn is probably right here. On September 18 2015 02:13 Tictock wrote: Ehh I honestly can't be bothered to make a case for myself getting the grail. Rels has a solid read on me this game though. I might be fine giving it to FF, but at some level he's doing the same thing Damdred did. However FF is at least showing he gives a few shits about this game. I'm not doing a good job managing me time, I think I'll have to cast my votes during my meal break at work. On September 18 2015 04:47 Tictock wrote: ##deadline vote Dande lon not only that his last "real post" is a case on LS... | ||
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On September 22 2015 03:12 Half the Sky wrote: Well he should mainly because it's his primary scumread and others were also against him, enough support for a train... That's my point. He knows he is going to be at work by the EoD. He makes a big case on LS, yet he doesn't vote for him? It doesn't make any sense. Then, on D2, he makes numbers analysis. He calls Damdred 70% town because there is 3/10 chance the cop is dead. He puts apparently all his effort at the time to that thing, except we know dandel and geript FOR SURE are not the cop, so the correct number for cop being dead is in fact 1/8....... Like if you do number analysis i would except you to AT LEAST put effort to that. Then, he says, if me mislynch here bla and bla happens and then and then we are in lylo. But apparently he misses the fact that if we mislynch here there is probably gonna be a shot by a townie, which is incredibly likely to hit mafia. Again, if you do number analysis i would except you to AT LEAST put effort to that. And that's all he has "put effort into" on D2, except for copying what i said on LS-.- | ||
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On September 21 2015 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rels has a townread on him. but he cannot lay out a single reason why he has a town read on him. He has meta points, he doesn't clarify them. He has also bad points that actually make more sense from scum than town perspective (see the middle of the quote below. Here is what he actually does say about him. None of this makes any sense because if Rels thinks TT is town, Rels should be arguing why he is town. It helps the town in PoE. I think it is more likely he doesn't actually have any reasons to think TT is town, because the reasons he has laid out are not really reasons... | ||
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On September 22 2015 00:55 Tictock wrote: Eh I think they are both town, so not really worth mentioning. rofl. this gem. please explain. yes it's worth mentioning, if it isn't you would not call them interesting. so please do elaborate. | ||
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On September 22 2015 03:51 Tictock wrote: I explained that I didn't leave myself proper time to play out that EoD as. I wanted. Also explained why I consolidated with the rest of town in my first post today. I'll prob ninja vote today too kus this is my only break before eod i think. no, you don't get to do this shit again when you haven't done anything this day phase. 1) Why did you not vote for LS while making a big case on him? 2) Why don't you put any thought into your number analysis or even check if you are correct? 3) Why do you 100% parrot me on LS and write 1000 words about it instead of sayign "i agree with rayn LS is the best lynch here"? 4) Why are you not scumhunting instead on (2) and (3) and not even doing that properly? | ||
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I can somehow understand your response to (1). But you are either terribly wrong or mafia. | ||
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With all the reasoning you can ever gather. That is literally the only thing you can do to help. | ||
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You are not necessarily right but you are town. Let's murder LS and shoot James in case LS is town. Basically we have then 2 mafia left. In TT/BM/Damdred. If BM is cop mafia cannot kill him, otherwise they are doomed. If BM is not a cop then we'll figure it out the next day. HtS and FF are not gonna be mafia here. You are not mafia, i am not mafia. | ||
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It doesn't confirm anything and it's a disaster if you are wrong. | ||
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I do the same, hell as i said at the start of the game i got lynched once because robik thought i was claiming one of the nine town roles (rofl) when i was... guess what? (EVEN MORE ROFL, WORST CASE EVER) | ||
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If i am wrong and we lose because of this you can call me bad. But please, trust me on this. | ||
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Look Rels, if LS is not scum, James is really really likely to be scum. If it's BM/TT/Damdred then fuck me, i take the blame for this one but i don't think it is. | ||
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On September 22 2015 04:30 Rels wrote: Did TT answered your concerns about him ? never. well he said something but that didn't really answer anything at all. | ||
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Damdred / LS / TT / James / BM can you give scenarios that are impossible for three of them to be mafia in? I think you are better then i am in this rn as i have not really read the thread properly when i was away (i blame rsoultin ^^). | ||
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On September 22 2015 04:43 Rels wrote: The other question is do we lynch LS ? I still think he's town but I haven't properly read the giant post from HTS. Going to do that now. no it is irrelevant. i can do the math if you give me the guns. please respond to my last post. | ||
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On September 22 2015 04:48 LightningStrike wrote: Why blame Tina when she isn't in the game you meanie because "she is the reason" i did not have internet access until friday and even then shitty phone only. | ||
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And still only phone until i got back to Hki on saturday. bad Tina bad. obviously not my fault. | ||
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On September 22 2015 04:54 Rels wrote: BM: spewed fidei town, at least that what I thought but maybe not. can you tell me where? | ||
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On September 22 2015 04:57 Rels wrote: One thing you forgot though is that it's better to lynch a confirmed scum than to lynch LS. yes this is what i am trying to do since i figured out you must be town. | ||
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I don't think that counts as a "spewed him town". BM is actually quite irrational as town AND as mafia. Like he can basically post anything..... The dude has claimed a justice vigilante D1 once (in case you do not know it's a town role that HAS to shoot mafia every night in order to live past the night) as scum and lived onto D6. rofl. | ||
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On September 22 2015 05:02 Rels wrote: I obsed Himalayas, and in that game rsoultin used as a reasonning LS was town since he was unable to lie. HTS and you used the same reasonning this game. So unless he broke his meta completely, he's town. Plus that geript bit is bothering me. Why the fuck would he lie about that. Reading the OP, it's not actually clear the wraith haunts someone the night the are killed. I checked that 'cause I found it weird, and it's not written on the role description. ehhh.... Even in death you still haunt the living. | ||
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Who do we lynch? Damdred? If he is town who do we shoot? | ||
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On September 22 2015 05:06 Rels wrote: that is fucking impressive! did he win that game ? no. | ||
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We have to have a back up shot even if you are 100% sure. | ||
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He is really really scummy. | ||
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I think i have brought up many good points on him. | ||
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Shoot Tictock. Check James. resolves the BM issue aswell. | ||
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##DeadlineVote Damdred EXORCIST IF YOU HAVE A SHOT DURING THE NIGHT PLEASE SHOOT TICTOCK!! | ||
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James or TT, the one of you who is town needs to vote for Damdred. | ||
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On September 22 2015 05:26 Rels wrote: Don't think 2 or 3 makes him scum. Is 1 really scum indicative if LS is town ? It would be if LS is mafia. 4 is right. TT didn't do a whole lot today and need to step up. 2 and 3 are really scum indicative because it shows a lack of properly thinking about the game. Like if he finds that important why doesn't he even check the basic information of the game? It's like a basic scumtell, don't care about the game at all. Just posting things.... Same goes with 1. Doesn't care. | ||
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On September 22 2015 05:27 Fidei86 wrote: Rayn can you do me a massive favour and summarise in like five lines why I should vote Damdred? Has Damdred done anything at all since yesterday, when he sucked? I need to go back into Newbie XIV, but I'll check back. If you believe i am town you should. If you believe Rels is town you should. If you are town you should. Line 4. Line 5. | ||
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On September 22 2015 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i won't go there and give you some things because you have not been following really closely anyways so you are not gonna understand them anyways with this time left. Now is time to sheep. this is to james. | ||
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On September 22 2015 05:35 Fecalfeast wrote: How does shining as the inquisitor make sense without extra info? If you don't have any extra info how do you know the inquisicop even followed the thread's ideas? read the OP. Yeah it doesn't. | ||
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On September 22 2015 05:41 Fecalfeast wrote: oh wait mafia wouldn't know since it was the grandieur kill nvm nope. | ||
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Demon: Every night you will learn the targets of the Inquisitor and the Oracle. You will not know which target was targeted by whom. My problem in this game is there are too many dumbtells i cannot believe they are all town..... | ||
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On September 22 2015 05:43 Damdred wrote: IDK if this was to me but... I made a decision to try to play some Sunday night. It didn't work out and id rather have sex tbh during my trip than read words. Well you'd definitely have sex if you were any alignment so yeah there is that... Hope you had good sex. | ||
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On September 22 2015 05:51 Rels wrote: mm that's true it's a super good case maybe I should think of answering it point by point you should | ||
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On September 22 2015 05:56 Damdred wrote: Haha. Furstly LS being under pressure to claim is probably nai in this situation in this game. As everyone is a role and mafia gets more information as time goes along. It also does not speak well of ls in this situation because even if he doesn't get lynched and he's telling the truth it gives mafia 2 kills. Today I don't think his play has been the opposite of his normal games. A lot of his normal reads evolve over time and he branches out to reading other people and they just aren't happening here. LS would probably be the best lynch target tbh. what about his yelling at me? | ||
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IF DAMDRED TURNS UP TO BE TOWN; SHOOT TICTOCK IF THE COP IS ALIVE CHECK JAMES. If Vivax and LS die, COP CLAIM IF YOU HAVE RED! - If you are oracle and one mafia left, claim - people will lynch you if not lylo, it's okay. - lycnh oracle to confirm one mafia left - listen to Rels. | ||
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On September 23 2015 13:47 Bill Murray wrote: It was my case on Damdred and my persistence of voting him that got him lynched. No it wasn't. | ||
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On September 23 2015 21:12 Fidei86 wrote: Okay, fine. But then he moves onto Damdred, without really expressing strong feelings on him (#1918). Also weirdly, as an aside, wasn't it TT who led the 'Inquisitor shouldn't claim a red check' faction on D2? Because he then says: "Though I'm not sure what caused people to move away from the idea that he was probbly green checked." Wouldn't that be because you argued that people shouldn't necessarily claim a red check, meaning that Rels' plan of check - no red claim - green plan never really took effect? Now that is a really good catch. rofl. | ||
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On September 24 2015 00:04 Rels wrote: The votecounts aren't super interesting, but here they are, compiled with colored flips. I colored Shining green, Damdred red and rayn green, even though they are not mechanically confirmed. + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Holy Grail votecount] + Day 1 Holy Grail votecount geript (2): raynpelikoneet, TicTock (1): raynpelikoneet (0): Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, Vivax (0): Not voting (1): TicTock + Show Spoiler [Day 1 final votecount] + Day 1 final votecount LightningStrike (2): The Shining (0): Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript Damdred (2): Bill Murray (0): + Show Spoiler [Day 2 final votecount] + Day 2 final votecount Damdred (8): LightningStrike (2): Rels (0): Bill Murray (0): Fidei86 (0): I am mechanically confirmed just as much as Vivax is. | ||
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On September 24 2015 00:09 Rels wrote: I fucking thought that when I wrote this sentence p: you are 100% confirmed in my mind. And frankly, if you are mafia and had the balls to shoot yourself, I will lose to you gladly. p: Tbh if i was mafia i would shoot myself about 100% of the games where the martyr works "normally". I would never bank on angels being on me on some random day. Especially when i could just... kill a townie. | ||
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The save is obvious, as in: "The person X martyred himself and saved person Y" and mafia does not get the role of Y. rn the martyr role is just a free townclaim on D1 and best used as it. | ||
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On September 24 2015 00:14 Rels wrote: TBH this seems overpowered except if scum goes for this super risky play of shooting themselves. Not really no. The soupkills and mafia getting roles of dead people is OP. This setup is mafia favored as it is. Idc what Palmar says, it is. Mafia cannot lose except for by playing bad as fuck. Or town has to play super good if mafia is not playing bad. Like look, we have atm had "bad townies" in Dandel, who got mislynched and shot most likely a townie. And another one in LS who is just fucking not playing still (assuming he is town - which is quite likely). Look at the position we are in? rofl. IT's not that good it looks like, being in 7-2, with mafia knowing two of the town roles in game already (assuming LS is town). WITH a no-kill (that was retarded by scum) and a mafia lynch on D2. | ||
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On September 24 2015 00:23 Rels wrote: Dunno, this setup seems more swingy than especially alignment favored. Even if mafia knows a few role, we are still 7 town, so they cannot go for a YOLO soup. If we lynch mafia today, the last one gets rekt by mass claims tomorrow, so red check = victory, and green check = less chance of mislynch. I'm pretty confident that we'll win actually. (= Ofc they can. BM is basically confirmed cop if he is not mafia. Acolyte is pretty easy to find out if you can deduce who the cop is. If you know shining's role (or can deduce it), you have a fakeclaim. Bam, it's only 2-3 roles you have to figure out anymore..... | ||
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So don't be so sure of anything yet. The game is not easy from here, and it's definitely not in "town's favor" at this point. Null at best. | ||
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We can afford to have a claim. One claim. If it outs mafia. It's either: - A cop claiming a red check. - A cop claiming two greens (in which case we will lynch BM lol) - An oracle claiming there is only one mafia left (this is a special occasion in case shining was somehow mafia) - Someone claiming something that makes LS' claim fake. Any of those is acceptable and highly preferred. And must come ASAP. Only one claim. If there is a claim everyone shut up and listen to me. | ||
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On September 24 2015 01:02 Vivax wrote: Rayn you are aware that if the necromancer is alive he knows your role? meh... he doesn't even have to be alive. well, we lost. I am just gonna say BM and TT are mafia. Noone should talk and lynch into those two people. This game is a fucking joke by balance. | ||
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I am the Oracle. There is no reason not to claim because mafia already knows my role. Therefore BM did not check Damdred on N1, in fact noone checked Damdred on N1 because i visited Damdred for obvious reasons. That makes BM most likely mafia based on what Rels said on D2. On N2 i visited Tictock. Noone visited him. It means that the cop is dead most likely, which also means Shining was most likely the cop, it's like 99%. Otherwise there WOULD have been a copcheck on Damdred on N1 AND/OR a copcheck on Ticktock on N2. The cop is dead. Damdred cannot possibly be the cop because he would have claimed at the start of the D2, 100%. He did that last game when i told "the cop should claim". 100%. Damdred was mafia. Mafia already knows there is no cop alive because they get my checks and cop checks every night, if there is no 2 checks they know one of cop/oracle is dead. Now they know for sure the cop is dead (because they know my role). Most likely people to be mafia are BM and TT. Do not talk about anything any more. Murder BM. Then massclaim at the start of next day. Make TT claim first. goodluck! | ||
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Acolyte: ??? Judge: ??? Exorcist: ??? Oracle: rayn Martyr: Vivax Grandier: ??? The Pope: LS Crusader: Dandel Ion Wandering Wraith: gerip yes Dandel was the Crusader. Otherwise Palmar has fucked up and the game is invalid. | ||
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Acolyte: ??? Judge: ??? Exorcist: ??? Grandier: ??? those roles will be in game. You ask TT; "are you one of Grandier/Judge?" Then you ask James; "are you one of Grandier/Judge?" Then FF... Then HtS... Then, whenever you have three people on yes/no, you know in which two roles you have mafia in. Then you go from the list again, and ask those three to claim. In same order. Then you figure out how to lynch. I am sure you can figure this out. You need to think. I am banking on you being town here, so please do not let me down. <3 | ||
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On September 23 2015 14:11 Tictock wrote: BM is totally different this game than I've seen him before. He's super active and engaged compared to what I've seen before from him as town. I'm definitely going to need to reread his filter in detail because of this, but almost everything I recall reading from him has felt very towny to me. Shift in meta vs towny behavior, I'd lean on the behavior everytime. . | ||
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On September 24 2015 03:06 Half the Sky wrote: Class finished. Caught up. I'm on board, I understand the drift. I am the 5th vote. How many more do we need? 0 | ||
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On September 25 2015 07:14 Half the Sky wrote: Fidei would have gotten lynched but we'd never have gotten Rels. I almost had him, people just didn't help. | ||
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npnp. i had to trust you because noone else was really helping or understanding anything that's been going on in the game. i literally had no choice. :/ | ||
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you were quite obvious tbh. just had no time to lynch haha | ||
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mmm okay, then it's kinda null point. i am not even gonna discuss this with other people because the town was so fucking bad in this game. so... fucking... bad. | ||
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actualyl never gonna play this ridiculous "mafia has 2 rolecops in town favored actions" setup. | ||
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On September 25 2015 07:22 Tictock wrote: Dude... you need to learn how to play nicer with others. Calling everyone bad and shitting on anything you don't like makes this game not fun. You get good reads sometimes sure, but gotta cool them jets sometimes. It's impossible to explain anything for people who don't even bother to read and understand the setup so... | ||
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On September 25 2015 07:27 Damdred wrote: Actually yeah I would suggest next time only one role cop for mafia. - martyr role is pure shit - angel save is pure shit both of those things are there as they are to BALANCE THE GAME for the town for no-flips and soup. In Palmar's version they ONLY help mafia and not town at all... rofl. it is ridiculous. | ||
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At least now i can post my/geript's game - although that has to wait until tomorrow. <3 | ||
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On September 25 2015 07:34 Tictock wrote: I agree this setup is rather... advanced, and is probably best played with people who are more familiar with the setup and stuff. Problem is this game clearly had a bunch of people in it who were unfamiliar with the mechanics. This is going to have to impact how you deal with your fellow town. Town made bad plays all over the place this game, and Rels carried the mafia team pretty hard. Pretty much comes down to that in the end I guess. yes, because people didn't listen to me (and Rels lol) in the beginning.... and never after... | ||
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On September 25 2015 07:34 Rels wrote: I don't know about that. Yes it's super swingy, but exorcist shot + grandier + crusazder are fuycking good too. I tried to make Damdred lynched D2 for a reason. And mass claims rape us if the crusader is alive. With mass claims and good detective work + crusader shot + exorcist shot, you can kill 2 mafias in one lynch. no you can't. you can never get 2 mafia in one lynch. as scum you are supposed to kill people so you get their roles. as a no-flip game you can always argue someone was not town or mafia when lynched. when you get enough roles, you just mass soup. ggnore. if you fail doing that, then you lose. if not, you win. basically regardless of if the town lynches mafia every other day. If the game goes to D5, town has basically lost (usually on D4 already) unless they can solve the game and there is only 1 mafia left, unless mafia is REALLY dumb. That is a fact. These things i have pointed out on this version are just.... fucking terrible. | ||
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On September 25 2015 07:37 Rels wrote: + we are super lucky the inquisitor died DAY FUCKING 1 If you read the scum QT, we had no idea until your claim and 90% of my posts are making plan about how make inquisitor claim p: you got my role anyways from N2. | ||
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On September 25 2015 07:41 Rels wrote: I mean, we had no idea the inquisitor died p: the PM saying the targets of inqui and oracle was ambiguous so we thought oracle + inqui were alive until you claimed ehhh... what the fuck? | ||
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On September 25 2015 07:41 Rels wrote: I mean, we had no idea the inquisitor died p: the PM saying the targets of inqui and oracle was ambiguous so we thought oracle + inqui were alive until you claimed like the correct format is: "one of the cop/oracle visited: X the other one visited: Y" or "one of the cop/oracle visited: X the other one visited: noone" or "both of the cop/oracle visited: noone" | ||
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On September 25 2015 07:46 Rels wrote: N1 The following players were targeted by the Inquisitor and the Oracle: Damdred N2 The following players were targeted by the Inquisitor and the Oracle: Ticktock I guess if the cop was alive and let's say checked damdred on N1 it would be: N1 The following players were targeted by the Inquisitor and the Oracle: Damdred, Damdred badly worded, it should be clear. | ||
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On September 25 2015 07:47 Rels wrote: And I spent 2 HOURS LOOKING FOR CLUES about HOW THE FUCK the inquisitor AND rayn managed to check TicTock, when it was decided to check fidei AHAHAHAHAHHA ^^ | ||
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On September 25 2015 07:50 Tictock wrote: Oh also, Dam you rayn for pointing out that Dandel was Crusader not Grandeir!!! Like that bit of WIFOM on the soup coulda been great for us. I was sorta planning to claim crusader and bait out a fail soup. c'mon do you think Rels does not read the roles? ffs.... | ||
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On September 25 2015 07:51 Rels wrote: yeah wouldn't have made the difference as we were targeted you last for that specific reason p: and when you make the soup kill you make it fucking sure you know what you are doing anyways so it would have been easy to figure out lol. | ||
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On September 25 2015 07:53 Rels wrote: fidei actually asked palmar if we could know if the post was made at "normal" deadline (so dandel was crusader) or just before (so dandel was grandier) his answer: no we were disapointed i checked that too and the wording on the lynch (he was lynched) was very clear. | ||
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ha.. you were not 100% on the page :p | ||
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On September 25 2015 07:59 Rels wrote: yeah p: actually the reason I decided to soup instead of doing claims was that if TT was crusader we would lose p: if I was sure TT was grandier I would have directed the mass claim then claimed mafia and laughed =D you can't lose a massclaim as scum if you have 2 mafia alive. It's impossible. Figure it out if you haven't already. | ||
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On September 25 2015 08:02 Rels wrote: yes we can p: crusader lynch crusader shoot mafia 1 exorcist shoot mafia 2 no, you just claim differently then and soup everyone..... who even cares if you lynch mafia when everyone has claimed when you have night actions? | ||
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On September 25 2015 08:05 Rels wrote: yeah but taht's the point. I had no role to claim (crusader not possible; acolyte, not with what I said to BM; exorcist, I forgot him during an analysis). so whatever I claimed if anyone did a little detective work I would be dead and fidei would be lynched over anyone he counter claimed, but TT. But if TT is the crusader, he cannot counter claim him p: like if you were alive in this situation, even with 2 mafias, all claim meant loss If both of the crusader and exo are alive, both of the mafia claim Exo. | ||
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On September 25 2015 08:09 Rels wrote: I super proud of these posts mmmm... good scum work. | ||
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On September 25 2015 08:12 Rels wrote: Maybe in general. But in this game if we do that we lose. I am not believable since I forgot exorcist in an analysis. dude you are believed over anyone alive in this game.... 100% | ||
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On September 25 2015 08:13 Rels wrote: wait wait waiiiiiit rayn fidei guessed you were oracle D1 =D let me find it mmm i am pretty sure i know what he is talking about and i was like "fuck if this outs me while it's a honest mistake i didn't mean". | ||
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On September 25 2015 08:15 Rels wrote: OK he exchanged "acolyte" for "oracle" in the last sentence. But it was So. Fucking. Good. oh rofl no no no.... hahahhah, it would have been funny if you guys did that though. | ||
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i accidently called the oracle "rov" (which it is where i have played before). I have to fucking triple check the roles just to know into what roles the rolenames are attached to... | ||
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On September 25 2015 08:19 Rels wrote: Really. It might seem unbalanced for mafia, but the inquisitor clearing 3 bad townies D4 or even 2 bad townies D3 is pretty much game over for mafia. We have to ocunter claim it I think. hey, if you can't kill the cop before D4 you are terrible in this setup as scum. | ||
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you won we sucked. now i am gonna go post my game. join plz, but not people who will not play. | ||
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