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The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 10 2015 02:14 GMT
#12
/in

Because why not
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 10 2015 19:20 GMT
#28
Lol Fidei experience didn't stop me =D
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 12 2015 21:58 GMT
#52
Pre game excuse. Very limited access to interwebz Mon Tues. Whoop.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 14 2015 22:38 GMT
#87
Hi hi. Are people just scared to post or what? I'm not the martyr so Idk what else to do except start the conversation on the Holy Grail vote.

Who is it going to?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 15 2015 19:40 GMT
#436
I'm here. Post will probably be sloppy because I'm writing as I'm catching up.

On September 15 2015 18:34 Rels wrote:
Going to grab some lunch so I'll be AFK until later. Here is my brain right now:

Town
rayn
Vivax
TT

Maybe town
Damdred
geript

Null
FF
HTS
fidei
BM

Maybe scum
Dandel Ion

Scum
The Shining
LS

See you all later (=


This post is so easy to make. I said I don't get on much Monday/Tuesday and the game started slow while I was on, with almost no one posting. I'm almost always scummed D1 because I don't like to play it but w.e, I'm used to it. I started the holy grail convo because no one was talking about anything else and I figured the sooner we settle on it, the more info we'd get from people trying to push for it for strange reasons. Better to discuss it now than leave it until the last 12-24h of day phase.

On September 15 2015 21:38 Vivax wrote:
Why are we still talking martyr stuff, I claimed, can we get over it?

^Exactly. I was typing up a paragraph about LS not reading the thread when he came back but it feels pretty moot, as he seems to have read and is posting now. I don't remember LS ever posting this much, even to defend himself as scum, but I've mislynched him before so I'm not sure what to think.

Rayn town, Vivax un-CCd town, I don't agree with Rels read of me for obvious reasons but he looks pretty solid town.

Damdred has been painfully lackluster so far, especially considering he was one of the players asking for the Holy Grail, which is why I brought the Grail up. You can't ask for something like that then say you're ok with a LS deadline vote with no reasoning and then just fuck off. When you claim you think you're a good town player, then do nothing after, you get a scumlean.

Dandel Ion keeps posting here and there but doesn't seem to do much of anything. Says lynch Rels for what exactly? Can't see anything other than OMGUS.

I also really don't like HtS, although it's borderline OMGUS. She has played with me multiple times and *should* know both of these things: I rarely get online Monday/Tuesday and I HATE playing D1. Not being aware at all of either of these things and scumleaning me just seems like low hanging fruit for a mislynch.

Not sure how I feel about Geript, Fidei is afk, and BM's recent posts lean town. I do like FF's point, which I agree with, that TT grabbed some towncred and then ditched the game, too. +.5 town points to FF, -.5 town points to TT. But I'm still most suspicious of Damdred, HtS, Dandel Ion.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 15 2015 19:45 GMT
#439
It was a minute before your post and I had a lot of catching up to do lol
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 15 2015 19:55 GMT
#441
LS while we're here, can you help me understand your Geript scumlean? As far as I can tell, it's because he misrepresented you as "always following town leader" and having a specific meta read on you, which he worded strangely.

How sure are you of that scumread and do you have any other suspicions? I ask becuz of this post:

On September 16 2015 03:17 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 03:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 16 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So geript is your scumread?
Does it affect you at all i am telling you there is literally no way he is mafia in this game?

Also at the time you made thw post you got called out for, did you seriously think i am mafia for pushing a retarded role claim? Like i know you value my opinion, and i am not stupid. Did it not come to your mind to think a bit more about why i say what i do? I find this really hard to believe LS. Thats why i think you are mafia atm.

Geript is my scumread. No it wont change unless he start doing some townie things. At the time I didn't read the OP very well so ofc I thought your role claim thing was stupid. Well I turned to be sounding like a idiot for not reading the OP very well >.> It now makes much more sense after rereading the OP for the Martyr claim plan you had setup.

To add on about Geript he needs to stop role playing and actually be more serious but his word choice for some of his posts were really odd considering my history with him.


It seems like you want me to stop role playing and be more serious but if you think he's scum, would it matter that much how seriously he played?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 15 2015 20:02 GMT
#448
Dandel, pretend I'm dumb(which I am). So it IS just an OMGUS is what I got from the post. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

Hi Bill. I feel like we've played together before but have never actually spoken. How are you today? XD Do you, Dandel or LS feel like commenting or asking anything about my catch up post?

LS, ok so misrepresentation and wording but by saying "if he's town", then I'm right in assuming you're not 100% sure he's scum? Can you answer my other question about who else you're suspicious about?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 15 2015 20:03 GMT
#449
On September 16 2015 05:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I just read Danel's filter and saw him claim Miller and I checked the op and there are no Miller's in the OP idk if he's trolling or mafia or both. Thoughts guys?


Dandel's responses to everyone so far seem pretty troll. It isn't really helpful and actively lurking is just as bad as inactive lurking. Active lurking as in reading the thread but doing nothing to prove your alignment or help the town or have reads.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 15 2015 20:08 GMT
#452
Yeah I did agree with that and pretty much echoed it in my read of him, along with finding it strange that he'd claim he liked to think of himself as a strong town player and ask for the Grail but do nothing to prove it afterwards.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 16 2015 01:21 GMT
#504
On September 16 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:
If I'm going to be honest with you I really haven't read much if any of the game at this point besides where I posted yesterday just now I started rolling through filters of my favorite people.

I had an early town read on geript and Ryan though. Slight town read on eels though.

Anyway I'm like 95% sure that my bro shining is scrum he was the first filter I looked at. He is just so... emotionless to a point and he barely reacts to the thread to a point with pretty posts that seem to be structured.


Picks easy townreads in Rayn and Rels then scums me for being emotionless? LoL. What are your reads on anyone else, Damdred?

I'm glad you think my posts are pretty but you missed one key thing if this is my "scum" meta. If we've played so many games together between here and other forums(which 60-90 games seems a bit high of an estimate, did you just throw that number out there to strengthen your meta read?), you would know that every time I'm town, I'm paranoid of you and your strong scum game, when you put your mind to it. I almost never town you(like now), and you usually end up being the one realizing its my town game when everyone else is trying to lynch me for it.

LoL since you know me, you would know I've been in anger management and in control of my emotions the last few weeks since my last blow up =P sorry I'm not angsty Shining this time around. But you scumming me for a crap meta read is going to get me to that point pretty quickly. Sorry bro, you're my #1 scum now.

Fidei is likely town, even though I personally hate WoTs. I guess I can't judge this time around, though. However, I'd like to address the part about hating people not wanting to play early and point out that I am playing and giving reads...I'm not sure what else you'd like me to do? Do jumping jacks yelling "I'M TOWN" all up and down the thread? Just because I don't like playing D1 doesn't mean I don't actually play D1.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 16 2015 01:24 GMT
#505
On September 16 2015 09:43 Bill Murray wrote:
let's get back on track to trying to find scum

can anyone explain the case on the shining? i see he has a few votes on him


I see one early vote from Rels for not liking my entrance and he then later said I may be cool. And Damdred's is purely meta-emotional based. I have exactly 1 scum game on TL, as a newb, so you can compare if you'd like.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475036-student-mafia-v?user=The Shining
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 16 2015 01:30 GMT
#506
On September 16 2015 08:08 Half the Sky wrote:
Shining looks better based on his re-entry and LS's responses to me (particularly the reads) also make him look a little better.

There is one thing I noticed in his filter though. LS could you answer this?

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 03:50 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 16 2015 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LightningStrike do you have any other scumreads than geript?

Damdred he only made like 2-3 posts and 1 is him saying I could be mafia without any explanation at all which is so unlike him at all when he's town. Rels could be town but Ticktock null I need to reread his filter when I get home. Rayn I think your town I was just being a jackass earlier regarding you I'm sorry what can I do to make up for it?


"Rels could be town"

I know I told you to ignore Rels before but given how Rels is nearly universally townread, given your wording what is giving you pause about Rels?


Since I look better based on my re-entry, would you mind addressing my points against you? If you could help me feel better about you, that'd be great. Because you seem to have read my post but you didn't mention anything about me calling you out for playing with me before but not picking up on my not liking D1 and not really playing Mondays/Tuesdays, although you mentioned my not liking D1 to Damdred.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 16 2015 01:33 GMT
#507
On September 15 2015 14:29 Tictock wrote:
As for the grail vote, I dont trust anyone enough to give it to just yet.

Leery of giving it to damdred already both because he seems to sorta want it and because he's suggesting he knows he can keep ahold of it for awhile. Slight scumlean.

Shining is cool for suggesting an alternate topic of discussion, townlean.


On September 15 2015 19:28 Tictock wrote:
Well I'm also waiting on HtS to make an entrance, but I have to head to work soon.

I'm not sold on his read, but I'll admit Rels has done good open post cases before. TS might be someone to keep an eye on.

I'm not sure I like BM.

This was an odd explanation to throwing out a townread on rayn.
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 10:29 Bill Murray wrote:
well you're the first person in any game if we're both in the game that im going to try to get a read on because you usually have something important going on



Assuming the TS here is me(The Shining), I'm starting to like Tictock less and less. Especially because I really like this post here:

On September 16 2015 08:24 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 06:19 Tictock wrote:
Ok caught up.

Pretty ok with BM and LS now.

Overall liked the responses LS gave to people pushing him and most of his reads are decent.

BM for poking and prodding and his reads remind me a little of his game in NSM X? XI? where he gave a brief flurry of activity before afking until mislynched.

Lol at people reading me scum for "getting townreads then dissapearing" no way did I disappear kus of RL, such as leaving for work as I mentioned in a post.

Oh and leaning town on HtS pretty hard.


I noticed you don't have any scumreads - the bolded was related to what FF said about you. Are you scumreading him now?
If not, where do you stand on him?




I also kind of agreed with FF there. But TT's lack of scumreads worry me, too. And he went from townlean on me for my entrance to "keep an eye on me" without giving any reason why, as if he was just setting up to follow town sentiment, which was not liking my entrance at that time. I had made no posts or said anything else to change his read on me.

Damdred, TT or Dandel lynch for me today.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 16 2015 20:30 GMT
#666
Well fuck it, if Damdred isn't even going to read the threat but continue pushing a meta read, then I'm not gonna bother fully catching up.

Damdred is right in the sense that I get emotional as town, but this mostly stems from being scummed for stupid reasons. As I said before, I've gotten used to it from it happening literally every single D1 so it kind of makes sense that he sees it that way, since normally I'd be gunning for Rels for scumming me.

But he's wrong in saying we've played 60-90 games together when I haven't played that many in my entire life, since we've only played on one other forum besides this one, and I've got around 10 total here. Also, that other forum is much more inactive and no one really plays seriously so basing anything off of that meta is stupid. And how do you have such a wide range between 60 & 90? 60-70 would've sounded more believable but 60-90 really sounds like he's just throwing numbers out there to try and strengthen his meta read.

Damdred also knows I'm actually in therapy since I blew up at him and a few other friends in a group chat over a different game. The fact he didn't confirm that is weird to me, since I admitted it after going ape shit on him and almost ended our friendship

And how the hell do you claim to be a strong town player and then do fuck all for almost 48 hrs.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 16 2015 20:36 GMT
#668
On September 16 2015 17:03 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:
I'm here. Post will probably be sloppy because I'm writing as I'm catching up.

On September 15 2015 18:34 Rels wrote:
Going to grab some lunch so I'll be AFK until later. Here is my brain right now:

Town
rayn
Vivax
TT

Maybe town
Damdred
geript

Null
FF
HTS
fidei
BM

Maybe scum
Dandel Ion

Scum
The Shining
LS

See you all later (=


This post is so easy to make. I said I don't get on much Monday/Tuesday and the game started slow while I was on, with almost no one posting. I'm almost always scummed D1 because I don't like to play it but w.e, I'm used to it. I started the holy grail convo because no one was talking about anything else and I figured the sooner we settle on it, the more info we'd get from people trying to push for it for strange reasons. Better to discuss it now than leave it until the last 12-24h of day phase.

WTF
My reason to scumread you was NOT you being AFK or wanting to discuss something different. I had three reasons to scumread you and they are explained here:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 16:34 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 07:38 The Shining wrote:
Hi hi. Are people just scared to post or what? I'm not the martyr so Idk what else to do except start the conversation on the Holy Grail vote.

Who is it going to?

I dislike this post very much for a few reasons. The main one is that this is the first post of The Shining, and there is two different subjects in it:
"The game is slow"
"Let's talk about the holy grail"
First post with different subjects in them means the person didn't just post what he thought, but took the time to make a post. It is scum indicative.

Plus, two questions: the easy way to participate for scum.
Plus, he tries to start a conversation and leaves.

Now your big post is alright, and I like the reasonning on Damdred. But your reasonning (Damdred applied for grail and gtfo) is one of the reasons I scumread you in the first place!
So. You cannot explain the first two reasons I scumread you initially (different subjects in the first post + asking questions in the first post), they're scum indicative for me. It's small though.
Can you explain the third ? How is you starting a conversation on grail then leaving is different from Damdred applying for Grail then leaving ?


I already explained that I wanted to see reactions to who actually wanted the Grail that early. The obvious difference is that I wanted to know WHO wanted it and WHY, whereas Damdred just tried to get it for himself for reasons that are bull. Strong town player? Do something to help town. Going to live for days? So either you're scum and won't get NKd or you're just being useless town right now to stay alive, which he's pretty much admitted to being since he isn't reading the thread. And if that's his plan, he had no ground to ask for the grail, anyway.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 16 2015 20:45 GMT
#673
Also, to help with the whole meta reading me thing, LS and HtS have been in more than one game with me, as well. Geript played the game I was scum, although he did say Im in some sort of middle ground in between metas. Rels, you may want to directly pressure them to opine on my meta read, since you were the one asking.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 16 2015 20:46 GMT
#674
On September 17 2015 05:37 geript wrote:
Granted I don't realy know you shining, but you're not the person on the forums I'd expect to be in anger management. Idk who I would expect to be there (other than Robik) but eh. Not sure that's a really therapeutic statement but fuck it i'm exhausted.


I'm 5 feet 5 inches. They call it Napoleon complex. Lol. 0-100 real quick
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 16 2015 20:51 GMT
#678
I don't think scum would trade their nk for a soup kill N1, with no role to go off of except Vivax. No offense to Vivax but there are stronger townread like Rayn and Rels around. And if they guess a 2nd role and fail, they end up revealing a witch, if I understood the OP correctly
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 16 2015 21:02 GMT
#685
Lol...

LS you said you were null on Tictock and that you'd be going back to reread his filter. Did you ever do that? Still null or ?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 16 2015 21:11 GMT
#687
I think I heard about that one. Didn't he lie about moving or something and provided pics and all?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 16 2015 22:27 GMT
#700
Damdred ur the one who was excited for this game and the reason I even signed up. What happened to that?

Lol if we're going by overdue for a mafia game, I'm probably wayy overdue.

I think the 72 hr day is giving people an excuse to not post. Expected more than 35 pages so far.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 17 2015 00:42 GMT
#706
So Damdred comes back with more nothing, while WIFOMing his alignment in not one but two games. Bro, I hate you right now. W.e I'm done, see you guys at deadline.

Don't really care who gets the grail, either. Give it to whoever will be nkd n1 so this slow game can end fast.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 17 2015 01:06 GMT
#710
I hate you. Lol. Stop the self meta and do stuff pls.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 17 2015 01:23 GMT
#713
Ew. Sorry HtS, feel better. I'll be in and out of here for a few more hrs, too, I just don't feel right leaving after my angry last few posts...meh.

Yes, it does make a bit more sense, I guess I misunderstood both yours and Rels reads on me. I'll wait until you're fully caught up before I ask you anything, though.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 17 2015 19:22 GMT
#880
I'm here. Caught up but work is busy. Agree with the Damdred check if he isn't lynched but the only other lynch I'd get on is Dandel. Rels case explains why so I won't say it all again but I clearly scummed Damdred multiple times. Dandels refusal to explain anything is probably because he doesn't have anything good to say. Tinfoil: he's scum and bad at it so he's trying to take the lynch for scum Damdred but association in this setup is shit. W.e.

Yes. Rels post was easy to make. I get angsty when people add me to scum or useless list before I started playing. But I was typing that post as I was catching up. As I got to more of his posts, I got a townread off of his efforts and questioning, which was more than the easy post he had made.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 17 2015 19:48 GMT
#894
On September 18 2015 04:46 geript wrote:
TBH, I think a check on non-damdred is better. There's a wide variety of lurkers in this game. I'd rather a check on them than anything else.


Vague. Who do you think is a lurker then? You disagree but then don't offer alternatives. Why not just lynch one today instead?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 17 2015 20:11 GMT
#913
On September 18 2015 04:49 geript wrote:
I think the best checks woudl be like: Fido/Shining/FF. Shining is outside his meta in meany regards and has a variety of mixed reads on him. Fido has been woefully inactive commpared to his townplay in general and FF is well both FF and generally useless. I think Shining is town, so I'd prefer a fido check. I think he's a better option than Damdred check 100%.


So you don't want to check OR lynch Damdred. Correct?

Fwiw Damdred has made a few posts today and although I'm a bit weary of him reevaluating my read, I've already acknowledged his meta on me is normally pretty accurate. I am not ready to drop my scumread on Damdy yet but if he keeps posting like the last few, i could get off his lynch, but only if i know hes being checked. And I guess it makes sense I'm outside of my meta for both town and scum. New setup, new play style.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 17 2015 20:14 GMT
#918
On September 18 2015 05:08 Rels wrote:
Now geript what is your read on damdred ? Cause there are many scum signs so I don't understand you neither want him lynched or checked


Lol Rels beat me to this.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 17 2015 20:50 GMT
#980
On September 18 2015 05:48 Fidei86 wrote:
@HTS why are you voting for Vivax for the grail? I was thinking that he's a good bet because (1) he's most likely town, being unCCed (barring some kind of rayn-like fake claim, which is too tin foil at this stage to consider) and (2) he hasn't been as active as other people, so he's not exactly a great NK target. What do you think? I think another good target would be someone super active and super townie, like rayn or Rels, but the risk of putting it on mafia makes me wary of anyone else..


Putting it on someone super active or super townie means putting it on someone with a high risk of getting NKd. If you're going to put it on someone with a high risk of getting NKd, might as well put it on the unCCd martyr, not anyone else.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 17 2015 21:12 GMT
#1012
I said Damdred check, lynch Dandel. I'm probably going to vote geript for grail.

Dandel Hi. You think I'm scum. I think you're scum. What to do
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The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 17 2015 21:21 GMT
#1020
I'm lynching Dandel. He refuses to explain how my stance on Damdred is weird. It is explained pretty clearly and I think he honestly still could be scum but people want a check on him first and Dandel is doing fuck all so I'm good with this.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 17 2015 21:23 GMT
#1023
Lol this is an opportunity for an amazing judge troll. Someone else vote Dandel pls.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 17 2015 21:54 GMT
#1048
Not enough people here to shenanny LS. All we would do is put the lynch in the Judge's hands.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 25 2015 19:09 GMT
#2232
Gg WP scum. Rels had me fooled. Getting killed as Cop d1 really hurt my soul =\ cuz I was already scumming Damdred, ezpz lynch D2. Least I caught Damdy lol...ahwell, onto the next.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 25 2015 19:24 GMT
#2234
Because he thought Damdred was town and I was scum and my reaction to Damdred was off or something...

*scratches head*
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 25 2015 19:26 GMT
#2235
Also meta note:Geript was spot on with me being in an odd middle ground for my meta. I didn't want to be too towny and wavoid being NKd N1 and didn't want to be too scummy to end up mislynched so I tried to walk a fine line. XD kind of funny though, I think up to like 93% town rolls in all my games here hahaha
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