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Yeees fidei I love your big post (= I really hoped you were town too! Let's reformate the team we had last game with TT. No JJ allowed this time! Looking forward to play with you. (=
I agree with most of your post except:
On September 16 2015 08:28 Fidei86 wrote:
- I think Lightning Strike is town, and I think the early push on him was suspect. I don't know how any of you can be surprised that LS says stuff that doesn't add up early on. He's done that in every game I've seen him in, and he's also basically like that in voice. The way that he responded to Rels at his post #362 (basically "I'm not talking to you any more") felt very genuine, and exactly how I'd expect angsty town LS to respond.
Yes the way he answered was genuine. But did you really think the early push was suspect ? Maybe you don't realize 'cause you weren't here at the beginning, but LS's first posts were super scum indicative.
On September 16 2015 08:28 Fidei86 wrote:
- I think the person who comes out from the LS push looking the worst is TT. At his post #218 he basically says that LS is a "fine lynch", but his reasons are just re-hashes of what other people have posted earlier. He then takes it back at (#473) after others already had. I also think his town reads of Rayn, Rels and Vivax feel a little ... safe. I think thread sentiment is all pretty set on those three already, for pretty obvious reasons. When TT was mafia in HG he felt like he was always on the right side of every argument, and so far he reminds me of this.
Disclaimer: you may be right and I'm a fool.
But TT was the first person in the game to try hard. I think it makes him 99% town. For me, he is confirmed town atm, and nothing has changed my view on him thus far.
On September 16 2015 08:28 Fidei86 wrote:
- Rels looks towny insofar as his activity level goes, but he was also early on the LS 'wagon', although he didn't vote for it. I also don't like his TT read, and quite a lot of his activity seems responsive rather than pro-active, which is different from our last game together. Then again, that game (Personalities) was pretty weird and so IDK whether it's a reliable guide to someone's meta.
The two things you are suspecting me for ... are the two things I disagreed in your post (= so it is super logical you find me weird. Reading what I wrote earlier, did that change your read of me ?
On September 16 2015 08:28 Fidei86 wrote:
I don't have a good handle on geript, TS (whose thread entry got a lot of talk, but which seemed pretty NAI to me) and FF.
Not sure I agree with TS anymore, but yeah for the other two. Especially geript.
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On September 16 2015 17:07 Tictock wrote:
Rels since your around...
What are your current thoughts on Damdred and Fidei?
Also what do you make of geript so far?
I think geript is pretty null right now, and it seems really odd to me that rayn is townreading him so hard. Am I missing something?
I'm catching up with the thread. I think you'll find my last two posts interesting though. (=
geript may be scum. I thought he was town 'cause he had the same reaction as me (and quite a few people) about LS, and I thought he wouldn't bus this early. But now I think LS may be town actually, so I have no reasons to think he's town.
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On September 16 2015 17:08 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 16:55 Rels wrote:On September 16 2015 03:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
ULOUP wowowowowow I LOVE YOU This is SOOOOO good =D ... onto the question now Yea, I'm missing something... What is ULOUP?
useful list of useless people
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On September 16 2015 17:17 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 17:11 Rels wrote:Damdred I think it is super weird you're not trying to find town like you did in every other game I played with you. I liked your boldness asking for the grail at the very beginning though. On September 16 2015 08:37 Damdred wrote:On September 16 2015 08:27 Half the Sky wrote:On September 16 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:
Anyway I'm like 95% sure that my bro shining is scrum he was the first filter I looked at. He is just so... emotionless to a point and he barely reacts to the thread to a point with pretty posts that seem to be structured. He explained he's not a fan of playing much D1. Did that factor into your scumread or are you just not buying that explanation period? I've played with shining in a total of probably 60-90 games total. We have played a lot together multiple places. I know he hates playing early, but he can't hide emotional things as town he explodes at points or he gets super excited but it's missing here.a Another meta read. I hate them because I can't judge them. Can someone who knows Shining confirm or deny this ? If this is a lie, Damdred's read is super fake. TS said that he though 60-90 was an over exaggeration.
I don't care what TS is saying about Damdred's attack on TS, of course he will deny it's true. I want people other than Damdred and TS to tell me if Damdred's meta read is accurate or not.
On September 16 2015 17:17 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 10:21 The Shining wrote:On September 16 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:
If I'm going to be honest with you I really haven't read much if any of the game at this point besides where I posted yesterday just now I started rolling through filters of my favorite people.
I had an early town read on geript and Ryan though. Slight town read on eels though.
Anyway I'm like 95% sure that my bro shining is scrum he was the first filter I looked at. He is just so... emotionless to a point and he barely reacts to the thread to a point with pretty posts that seem to be structured. Picks easy townreads in Rayn and Rels then scums me for being emotionless? LoL. What are your reads on anyone else, Damdred? I'm glad you think my posts are pretty but you missed one key thing if this is my "scum" meta. If we've played so many games together between here and other forums(which 60-90 games seems a bit high of an estimate, did you just throw that number out there to strengthen your meta read?), you would know that every time I'm town, I'm paranoid of you and your strong scum game, when you put your mind to it. I almost never town you(like now), and you usually end up being the one realizing its my town game when everyone else is trying to lynch me for it. LoL since you know me, you would know I've been in anger management and in control of my emotions the last few weeks since my last blow up =P sorry I'm not angsty Shining this time around. But you scumming me for a crap meta read is going to get me to that point pretty quickly. Sorry bro, you're my #1 scum now. Fidei is likely town, even though I personally hate WoTs. I guess I can't judge this time around, though. However, I'd like to address the part about hating people not wanting to play early and point out that I am playing and giving reads...I'm not sure what else you'd like me to do? Do jumping jacks yelling "I'M TOWN" all up and down the thread? Just because I don't like playing D1 doesn't mean I don't actually play D1. Your right about Damdred's townhunting though. He also dropped his early read on LS for his meta-read on TS without any mention.
Don't think this in particular is suspicious. He posted very little so we don't really know his thought process. Maybe you can think his lack of activity is suspicious.
But the reason I'm not sure about him being scum is that I acted the same way in Newbie XI. Was super inactive the first three days, came back, and was so good he got shot the next night. Plus I liked him openly asking for the Grail.
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On September 16 2015 17:24 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 17:21 Rels wrote:On September 16 2015 17:08 Tictock wrote:On September 16 2015 16:55 Rels wrote:On September 16 2015 03:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
ULOUP wowowowowow I LOVE YOU This is SOOOOO good =D ... onto the question now Yea, I'm missing something... What is ULOUP? useful list of useless people Oh we have an acronym for that now... Lets not use it
maybe BM is a better buddy than you
(=
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On September 16 2015 07:56 Half the Sky wrote:
I see Fidei was catching up as of an hour ago, and he posted in the other thread. He's never played as mafia, and I know he told me sometime back he would likely struggle with it if he rolled it. The longer he goes without posting makes me wonder if he's actually gone red this go.
OK HTS. You're the reason I townread fidei last game when I was scumreading him initially. So what is your read on fidei's catch up post ? Cause I find it super townie; logical, but with different conclusions on certain part of the game than the thread sentiment.
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On September 16 2015 17:29 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:On September 16 2015 17:07 Tictock wrote:
Rels since your around...
What are your current thoughts on Damdred and Fidei?
Also what do you make of geript so far?
I think geript is pretty null right now, and it seems really odd to me that rayn is townreading him so hard. Am I missing something? I'm catching up with the thread. I think you'll find my last two posts interesting though. (= geript may be scum. I thought he was town 'cause he had the same reaction as me (and quite a few people) about LS, and I thought he wouldn't bus this early. But now I think LS may be town actually, so I have no reasons to think he's town. Ok cool. Regarding bussing, LS made a really good point that it doesn't make any sense for mafia to buss their teammates in this format. There is 0 towncred to be gained since we don't get flips, so purposefully bussing a teammate is pretty bad mafia play this game.
That's exactly why I thought geript couldn't be mafia if LS was. HTS thought otherwise, but I didn't agree.
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On September 16 2015 17:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 10:33 The Shining wrote:On September 15 2015 14:29 Tictock wrote:
As for the grail vote, I dont trust anyone enough to give it to just yet.
Leery of giving it to damdred already both because he seems to sorta want it and because he's suggesting he knows he can keep ahold of it for awhile. Slight scumlean.
Shining is cool for suggesting an alternate topic of discussion, townlean. On September 15 2015 19:28 Tictock wrote:Well I'm also waiting on HtS to make an entrance, but I have to head to work soon. I'm not sold on his read, but I'll admit Rels has done good open post cases before. TS might be someone to keep an eye on.I'm not sure I like BM. This was an odd explanation to throwing out a townread on rayn. On September 15 2015 10:29 Bill Murray wrote:
well you're the first person in any game if we're both in the game that im going to try to get a read on because you usually have something important going on Assuming the TS here is me(The Shining), I'm starting to like Tictock less and less. Especially because I really like this post here: On September 16 2015 08:24 Half the Sky wrote:On September 16 2015 06:19 Tictock wrote:
Ok caught up.
Pretty ok with BM and LS now.
Overall liked the responses LS gave to people pushing him and most of his reads are decent.
BM for poking and prodding and his reads remind me a little of his game in NSM X? XI? where he gave a brief flurry of activity before afking until mislynched.
Lol at people reading me scum for "getting townreads then dissapearing" no way did I disappear kus of RL, such as leaving for work as I mentioned in a post.
Oh and leaning town on HtS pretty hard. I noticed you don't have any scumreads - the bolded was related to what FF said about you. Are you scumreading him now? If not, where do you stand on him? I also kind of agreed with FF there. But TT's lack of scumreads worry me, too. And he went from townlean on me for my entrance to "keep an eye on me" without giving any reason why, as if he was just setting up to follow town sentiment, which was not liking my entrance at that time. I had made no posts or said anything else to change his read on me. Damdred, TT or Dandel lynch for me today. I actually agree with TT being scummy.
I disagree heavily. Why would mafia start the "try hard" phase of the thread instead on lying low and delaying it ?
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I'm still waiting for Shining to answer, but I don't really think he's scum anymore. So let's unvote.
As he is the last member of the ULOUP, I'll vote Dandel Ion until he stops trolling. He will have to be super townie though, 'cause him actively lurking for the past day is scum indicative.
##DeadlineUnvote
##DeadlineVote Dandel Ion
If Dandel starts playing and is actually town, geript is my next scumread. Possibly Damdred if his meta read is crap like Shining affirmed. I still need someone to analyze it BTW.
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On September 16 2015 17:40 Tictock wrote:
I'm not sure why people like him asking for the grail, I can totally see Scum!Damdred being bold enough to ask for it like that.
I don't. Damdred is super logical, and it's not logical for mafia to openly attract attention like that.
Mind you, it's not a super powerful town sign, and if his meta of Shining is a lie, that will be way more scum indicative than that.
On September 16 2015 17:40 Tictock wrote:
Idk, I'm not sure who I would trust with the grail just yet. Though that probably needs to become a bigger focus for town. We want to make sure it goes to town, I'm less worried about it being held for a long time. Any town holding the grail is liable to be witch killed so I'd imagine we can only realistically hold it for a day or two.
I don't have this problem (= you're the best Grail owner: town, but there are other people mafia will want to shoot before you.
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I also still have no read of FF, which is super frustrating. Two people have town meta reads on him. On my part, I have the feeling he posts just enough to appear townie without doing much.
I think I'll believe Vivax and HTS reads of him for today and re evaluate his filter D2.
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TT, rayn: what is your read of FF ?
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On September 16 2015 17:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
we should 100% lynch Damdred.
##DeadlineVote Damdred
Is activity the only reaon for your vote ? I saw your meta read earlier that was basically "inactive Damdred == mafia". Again:
1 - meta =X
2 - he had this level of activity the first few days in Newbie XI, and he was also a role in that game
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On September 16 2015 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:He said something that i found out to be townie. I don't want to lynch him atm.
Which was ?
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On September 16 2015 17:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 17:54 Rels wrote:On September 16 2015 17:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
we should 100% lynch Damdred.
##DeadlineVote Damdred Is activity the only reaon for your vote ? I saw your meta read earlier that was basically "inactive Damdred == mafia". Again: 1 - meta =X 2 - he had this level of activity the first few days in Newbie XI, and he was also a role in that game yes. and the way he posts. being a role here doesn't mean shit regarding activity because everyone is a role and Damdred has played this before.
Do you know if Damdred's meta read of Shining is fake ?
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On September 16 2015 17:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 06:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I said I don't like tictock and damdred rayn, I won't provide reads I don't have and my scumread right now are shaky at best
I'd lynch a damdred that asks for mayor and then fucks off ezpz this post.
mm OK
I think the problem I have is that he posts a few lines with reads or questions like that every few hours then disappears
and the Damdred thing is repeating what Shining said, unless it was posted before. Let me check.
Yeah Shining's post was before this one
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On September 16 2015 18:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
James is another candidate for mafia imo.
I think he is not thinking the game properly. Like the post about LS and people's reads on him (mainly my and geript's) shows that he is not processing the information properly.
I agree his analysis of the LS' push is bad. But think about his point of view: he wasn't here when people started suspecting LS' first posts. He saw LS' genuine posts and lots of people pushing LS.
Outside of this and his TT's read, I agreed with all of this post. And even what I didn't agree with was super logical
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On September 16 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 18:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
James is another candidate for mafia imo.
I think he is not thinking the game properly. Like the post about LS and people's reads on him (mainly my and geript's) shows that he is not processing the information properly. I agree his analysis of the LS' push is bad. But think about his point of view: he wasn't here when people started suspecting LS' first posts. He saw LS' genuine posts and lots of people pushing LS. Outside of this and his TT's read, I agreed with all of this post. And even what I didn't agree with was super logical
I mean, that's why you were scumreading HTS yesterday; you didn't agree with what she said, even though it was logical.
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On September 16 2015 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 17:58 Tictock wrote:
Actually speaking of Vivax, where has he run off to? Like these kinda posts make me think this guy is mafia. What is the point?
meh. That's exactly for posts like that he was lynched in personality. Because sometimes he will question his confirmed townies, even if it doesn't make sense. I know I scumread him for a night in the obs QT for that; but that also shows he's re evaluating constantly.
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On September 16 2015 18:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:On September 16 2015 18:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
James is another candidate for mafia imo.
I think he is not thinking the game properly. Like the post about LS and people's reads on him (mainly my and geript's) shows that he is not processing the information properly. I agree his analysis of the LS' push is bad. But think about his point of view: he wasn't here when people started suspecting LS' first posts. He saw LS' genuine posts and lots of people pushing LS. Outside of this and his TT's read, I agreed with all of this post. And even what I didn't agree with was super logical Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 18:03 Rels wrote:On September 16 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:On September 16 2015 18:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
James is another candidate for mafia imo.
I think he is not thinking the game properly. Like the post about LS and people's reads on him (mainly my and geript's) shows that he is not processing the information properly. I agree his analysis of the LS' push is bad. But think about his point of view: he wasn't here when people started suspecting LS' first posts. He saw LS' genuine posts and lots of people pushing LS. Outside of this and his TT's read, I agreed with all of this post. And even what I didn't agree with was super logical I mean, that's why you were scumreading HTS yesterday; you didn't agree with what she said, even though it was logical. I generally think people who do not think things through properly before posting are mafia. I understand regarding James and HtS what you say could be the case here, but on the other hand it's really easy to come in when you are mafia and just trash on people on their read when the dude they were scumreading starts to look town (regarding to James and LS here). At the time me and geript were scumreading LS the read was really logical and made the most sense in the game (yes it really did). Both of them didn't even go into the reasons - they just said something i find out to be nonsense, especially considering LS is likely to be town here. It's easy to defend a townie when you are scum, and in neither of these cases (James & HtS) there was no reason to post what they did. Regarding TT. The second post i quoted jsut a while ago; I have a really hard time believing that is what the dude actually believes could be true. He has played with me, he knows how i do present my reads. I don't lay out everything at the start because it pushes out reactions. I have NEVER made a read, not explain it, and then NOT have reasons behind the read. Every single person who has ever played with me knows that. Like the dude has seen me make posts like this: Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Barakos i would like you to elaborate onto your read on Barakos. ...and then he somehow believes it could be true i didn't have reasoning behind my read on LS at the start of the game. It is just bullshit.
YOU had good reasons to scumread LS. But you didn't tell them right away.
geript's reason was a supposedly fake meta read on LS.
I understand both HTS and fidei for finding LS' push weak when geript's reason was weird:
On September 15 2015 10:46 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? When he's town he'll still follow the leader, but he'll generally over talk about a random reason he's thought against it. A less than LS question.
And I understand TT's post about you when you agreed with this weird meta:
On September 15 2015 10:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 10:46 geript wrote:On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? When he's town he'll still follow the leader, but he'll generally over talk about a random reason he's thought against it. A less than LS question. okay then we have the same reason 
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