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On September 19 2015 20:34 Vivax wrote:
Okay need reads from LS ASAP cause he didn't seem to have anyone as scum when Dandel was getting lynched. Only some thoughts about filter diving tick tock but there's not really a conclusion and he answers a question from FF on who should get the grail.
So the worst thing I can find atm is his lack of scumreads.
Ugh I had Damdred as scum and I still think he's scum honestly. I finding the Geript kill weird because he not exactly a good player compared to Rayn. Even with the Holy Grail I thought they would kill off Rayn but they didn't.
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you talk about a lot but only about damdred when you are asked? there doesnt seem to be much drive at all behind that scumread tbh.
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I actually agree with TT here (first time for everything). Inquisitor outing with a red check doesn't automatically make sense. At least, there's no reason for him to out straight away. If he has a red check he can do associative work all day, then claim towards the end of the day if necessary. If he claims now we just either lynch the red check, or work out the CC, and all day is about that rather than hunting out the other two Mafia.
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Also, I find LS' defence super unconvincing. I've seen a lot of scum try and move the conversation into "why did that person die". NK WIFOM is pretty meh. And even if you wouldn't have killed him, the other Mafia could have.
LS what was your read on geript before he died?
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Catching up now. I don't have much time today at all, tonight out all night with my husband.
There are two things I want to point out that I do not like.
1 BM's return. I don't like his voting Damdred and I will explain why. I also do not understand his association with Fecalfeast, but I will double check that quick at least before I leave.
2 LS's responses - obviously others have touched on this but I'll also weigh in.
Hang tight.
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The deadlinevote leader was damdred until people switched to dandel. This makes me think damdred is a good chance of being a hit.
I personally think shining was super town but that isn't confirmed i guess so maybe dandel has god reads but i doubt it.
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On September 19 2015 15:44 Bill Murray wrote:
Tictock, I don't scumread you at all anymore. Reads change over the course of a game. I am, and have been, deadset on lynching Damdred. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm just not feeling town-Damdred.
I also feel he has overly interacted with FecalFeast, and the way they both acted with the Grail was pretty peculiar. I believe you're asking me about LS? Well, his interactions with Rayn have me leaning town on him, but I saw 1 post he made that reminded me of his scum game. I'm not that good at reading him, so I don't want to be like "ermagerd hez tern" and be wrong
Alright, second part of my concern makes sense but the flip flopping doesn't. I posed this same thing to Fecalfeast. Showing how the read change was natural and how it occurred after the anger management part. At the very least I would have expected BM (assuming he read the thread) to at least say he didn't buy this excuse or comment on the read change in light of what Shining said.
On September 16 2015 10:21 The Shining wrote:
LoL since you know me, you would know I've been in anger management and in control of my emotions the last few weeks since my last blow up =P sorry I'm not angsty Shining this time around. But you scumming me for a crap meta read is going to get me to that point pretty quickly. Sorry bro, you're my #1 scum now.
Shining made the expectation that Damdred SHOULD HAVE known about this.
On September 17 2015 10:46 Damdred wrote:
I can't help it, part of me loves the negative attention. And part of me withers under it.
Shining will not disagree with me, and you aren't understanding the read at all. Which is bunk at this point anyway, but shining is extremely emotionally driven even his long posts in games are emotional at points as town and you can feel the I gotcha, frustration happiness etc.
However in his scum games he is extremely dry and can't replicate the tone or feeling that he normally does as town. His early posts really fit into his scum meta while his past few posts totally destory the meta read.
Even if it makes me have no scum reads idgaf shinny is town to me now.
On September 18 2015 02:54 Damdred wrote:
Oh shove it up your ass ff.
Calling my change on shining a flip flop is totally bullshit at best. SHINING should agree with me that my meta read is correct on him in the regard I said it.
He did things that fit with his town meta that he can't fake as scum so I read him town. So no its not a flip flop its a re evaluation so you calling it a flip flop is bullshit and just trying to influence people to look at me in a more negative light.
Now I called this out on FF for which he admitted he had no good explanation, if Damdred is town this would make BM look poor.
To be fair I know of town games where Damdred HAS been underwhelming (reference Void, Himalayas, the former he was mislynched, latter he was endgamed) because of a semi-lurky/RL issues/lacklustre performance. So I'm not sure I can fully buy the "he's not throwing out a load of townreads" plus the fact I believe he's in Decon's game as well so that isn't going to help for a conclusive read.
On the other hand - as WIFOM as it is, a geript kill does implicate Damdred in the sense geript knows how to read him quite well. geript tracked Damdred d2 in Gaiden, and he knows of town tells that if he cannot detect, that Damdred is probably mafia. It is something to keep in mind if we cannot fully confirm Damdred town. Need to check again what geript's final read on him was. It's a blur atm...
I disagree with Fidei (no this doesn't make him scum) that NK WIFOM is unreliable - NK wifom is strong late game, it's weak early game because you can conclude that any good mafia team wants to off these people, but late game in conjunction with certain NKs you can conclude a bit more reliably on who the (remaining) scum are.
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On September 20 2015 03:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
The deadlinevote leader was damdred until people switched to dandel. This makes me think damdred is a good chance of being a hit.
I personally think shining was super town but that isn't confirmed i guess so maybe dandel has god reads but i doubt it.
I looked at the VCAs, the latter voters (LS!!!) really stand a good chance of being mafia, plus those who really drove the Dandel lynch (probably at the beginning). Preliminary thoughts here.
So for you to make this conclusion you imply that someone was "protecting" damdred to do this or driving the lynch off him.
Am I correct? If not, what are you really saying so I'm not misunderstanding?
The reason I thought was that he'd be DT checked, and I trusted rayn on the mechanics. So I really don't understand.
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On September 16 2015 10:49 geript wrote:
I don't get Damdred's case. But shining is in an odd middle ground between his town meta and scum meta.
On September 18 2015 03:12 geript wrote:
Otherwise. I really don't get the Damdred lynch. I really don't. It should say something that Rayn and I are on teh same train of thought even if I'm half removed from the game and he's getting on a cruise or something.
I'll be back in ~hour or so after I relax with league for abit.
On September 18 2015 05:16 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 05:08 Rels wrote:
Now geript what is your read on damdred ? Cause there are many scum signs so I don't understand you neither want him lynched or checked I think he's town. I'm not 100% sure of it, but I think he's town. That should be pretty obvious by the fact that I don't want to lynch him.
On September 18 2015 05:21 geript wrote:
Like I don't have really well thought out, thoroughly developed reads on people, but the thing is that there have been a few that really stuck out to me. Fido not posting much is a big warning light. I think I posted something about him yesterday too when I thought it was deadline.
The LS points are really, really good. I don't get why people aren't sheeping them.
On September 18 2015 05:53 geript wrote:
Oh yeah, usually damdred doesn't get personal/emotional as scum. I think I've seen it once, maybe twice. But usually he's "ncier" as mafia.
Alright geript's last read on Damdred was town, had to make sure it didn't change for any reason. Makes the wifom theory 50/50, though I agree with Vivax it does implicate LS more.
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On September 19 2015 22:26 Fidei86 wrote:
Also, I find LS' defence super unconvincing. I've seen a lot of scum try and move the conversation into "why did that person die". NK WIFOM is pretty meh. And even if you wouldn't have killed him, the other Mafia could have.
LS what was your read on geript before he died?
Scum but now I have him town because he was NK'd.
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On September 20 2015 03:44 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 03:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
The deadlinevote leader was damdred until people switched to dandel. This makes me think damdred is a good chance of being a hit.
I personally think shining was super town but that isn't confirmed i guess so maybe dandel has god reads but i doubt it. I looked at the VCAs, the latter voters (LS!!!) really stand a good chance of being mafia, plus those who really drove the Dandel lynch (probably at the beginning). Preliminary thoughts here. So for you to make this conclusion you imply that someone was "protecting" damdred to do this or driving the lynch off him. Am I correct? If not, what are you really saying so I'm not misunderstanding? The reason I thought was that he'd be DT checked, and I trusted rayn on the mechanics. So I really don't understand.
I not scum HTS I really thought people were going to shannie to me because said they would so I changed my vote for self preservation on my part like I really want to live but if I have to die for you guys to figure out the scum team then I willing to die for that.
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If I didn't say so already, I'm more confident now that Tictock is town.
Reading through more filters...
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On September 20 2015 03:59 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 03:44 Half the Sky wrote:On September 20 2015 03:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
The deadlinevote leader was damdred until people switched to dandel. This makes me think damdred is a good chance of being a hit.
I personally think shining was super town but that isn't confirmed i guess so maybe dandel has god reads but i doubt it. I looked at the VCAs, the latter voters (LS!!!) really stand a good chance of being mafia, plus those who really drove the Dandel lynch (probably at the beginning). Preliminary thoughts here. So for you to make this conclusion you imply that someone was "protecting" damdred to do this or driving the lynch off him. Am I correct? If not, what are you really saying so I'm not misunderstanding? The reason I thought was that he'd be DT checked, and I trusted rayn on the mechanics. So I really don't understand. I not scum HTS I really thought people were going to shannie to me because said they would so I changed my vote for self preservation on my part like I really want to live but if I have to die for you guys to figure out the scum team then I willing to die for that.
That's not where I have a problem with you. I'm aware voting to save yourself is NAI.
The answers you gave to my questions before EoD and after was pretty.....just....I don't even know what word to use. There's no point in checking Dandel now because he's gone (the first or second quote you used after).
The VCA implicates you - generically speaking you voted late when the lynch appeared to be secure - would have to check the timestamps to see whether people really voted close together but on sequence you look really bad.
You were at class so you couldn't have been around to push Damdred even if you wanted to, so I'm discounting the lack of push as NAI (for now).
Let me pull up the quotes. I was going to get to that but I needed to check on BM first. I didn't like his vote on Damdred, or rather for the reasons he cited.
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On September 20 2015 03:44 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 03:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
The deadlinevote leader was damdred until people switched to dandel. This makes me think damdred is a good chance of being a hit.
I personally think shining was super town but that isn't confirmed i guess so maybe dandel has god reads but i doubt it. I looked at the VCAs, the latter voters (LS!!!) really stand a good chance of being mafia, plus those who really drove the Dandel lynch (probably at the beginning). Preliminary thoughts here. So for you to make this conclusion you imply that someone was "protecting" damdred to do this or driving the lynch off him. Am I correct? If not, what are you really saying so I'm not misunderstanding? The reason I thought was that he'd be DT checked, and I trusted rayn on the mechanics. So I really don't understand.
no you got me there I don' think before I type. That was the reason people switched
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LS
Here's the thing. People have made it clear you have trouble lying. I am making my best effort personally to flesh out the questions explicitly as I can as possible so I can get past the part where I know you cannot articulate yourself well. So the issue is that you are not particularly answering directly or not even asking me to clarify.
I am trying to work with you here based on all I know about you. But I'll be frank, you aren't making it easier, and I would expect some sort of pushback from you if you thought my questions were unclear (either alignment) or loaded (i.e. mafia motivated) or "out to get you" (like you pinged me out correctly in Newbie LX when I was mafia, and I used lynch all liars to get you mislynched) and so far I'm not seeing any of those responses.
The other points against you now are VCA and NK wifom, though the latter is weaker, it's not helping you at all.
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On September 20 2015 04:11 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 03:44 Half the Sky wrote:On September 20 2015 03:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
The deadlinevote leader was damdred until people switched to dandel. This makes me think damdred is a good chance of being a hit.
I personally think shining was super town but that isn't confirmed i guess so maybe dandel has god reads but i doubt it. I looked at the VCAs, the latter voters (LS!!!) really stand a good chance of being mafia, plus those who really drove the Dandel lynch (probably at the beginning). Preliminary thoughts here. So for you to make this conclusion you imply that someone was "protecting" damdred to do this or driving the lynch off him. Am I correct? If not, what are you really saying so I'm not misunderstanding? The reason I thought was that he'd be DT checked, and I trusted rayn on the mechanics. So I really don't understand. no you got me there I don' think before I type. That was the reason people switched
Exploring this mindset -
- I can't see rayn lying about mechanics when others can easily call him out on it. Nope.
- Rels made a case on Dandel (and I questioned Dandel's read on Damdred - it made no sense)
- probably need to explore the people that tried to take the policy lynch avenue on Dandel then.
- offhand I know this makes James (Fidei) look worse, there's probably 1-2 others that took that route.
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On September 20 2015 04:11 Half the Sky wrote:
LS
Here's the thing. People have made it clear you have trouble lying. I am making my best effort personally to flesh out the questions explicitly as I can as possible so I can get past the part where I know you cannot articulate yourself well. So the issue is that you are not particularly answering directly or not even asking me to clarify.
I am trying to work with you here based on all I know about you. But I'll be frank, you aren't making it easier, and I would expect some sort of pushback from you if you thought my questions were unclear (either alignment) or loaded (i.e. mafia motivated) or "out to get you" (like you pinged me out correctly in Newbie LX when I was mafia, and I used lynch all liars to get you mislynched) and so far I'm not seeing any of those responses.
The other points against you now are VCA and NK wifom, though the latter is weaker, it's not helping you at all.
I got a wall of text post coming up about my posts about Damdred but I going to say this before making that wall of text post about my position on Damdred over the game: I thought I had read some of the questions right the first I taking a Reading Class atm to work on my reading but then I saw post by rels where said I didn't answer the question and realized I misread it so I answered it when I quoted Rels. I only pinged you out in Newbie LX was because I knew and you knew that I wasn't capable of making a lot of posts as mafia at the time and you were misrepresenting me hard there when I got lynched in that game as VT.
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On September 18 2015 06:55 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:47 Half the Sky wrote:
I don't fully understand your second sentence.
Look at his filter - what do you make of his responses to Rels and myself
Or what do you think of Rels' case? When I said look at his filter I meant about the timing of his posts about me and correlation of me being a hot topic at that time. About his responses to Rels and you: It's okay nothing to spectacular about it.Also I think Vivax might be our best grail vote since hs is the unCCed Martyr and that role seems way antitown I doubt mafia would waste their KP to soup kill a Martyr. ##HolyGrailUnvote
##HolyGrailVote:Vivax
On September 19 2015 07:23 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:59 Rels wrote:On September 18 2015 06:55 LightningStrike wrote:On September 18 2015 06:47 Half the Sky wrote:
I don't fully understand your second sentence.
Look at his filter - what do you make of his responses to Rels and myself
Or what do you think of Rels' case? When I said look at his filter I meant about the timing of his posts about me and correlation of me being a hot topic at that time. That doesn't answer the fucking question I was rather confused by the wording of the post at the time. I felt his responses to you and HTS were okay but meh I should prob check his past games and see how he acts as both alignment.
This is actually a great example of what I'm talking about.
Why didn't you push back against me when you didn't understand the question and just answered it anyhow? There was still plenty of time before EoD to resolve that.
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That kill is pretty weird, too. You'd think getting rid of the grail wouldn't be that important N1 if LS is mafia. Rayn is the only one who has been really pushing hard for LS's lynch why not just shut him up? Most everyone has him town so I wouldn't immediately think he was killed for his LS read idk it's kinda wifom so I will shut it off
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