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On September 20 2015 18:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 09:40 Tictock wrote:On September 19 2015 15:44 Bill Murray wrote:On September 19 2015 14:57 Tictock wrote:
Also, just gunna throw this out there.
Cop (Inquisitor) doesn't NEED to claim if they have a red check imo. In fact I'm not sure it's a good idea at all anymore.
Right now we know Vixax is martyr, if Cop claims with a red-check on Damdred then mafia can soup them both tonight, and possibly more if they have some read on other roles.
So claiming a redcheck is a 1 mafia for 2 town trade. Given that mafia goes for the soup kill.
That would (again assuming we are 7/3 now) put us into a 5/2. Leaving town with the one mislynch before we are in lylo.
So think things through yourself, check if I'm right here and if it's still a good call to claim a check in this situation. I 100% disagree with this we can afford that... in fact it would be good for town we CANT afford losing 3 in 1 night either way with 3 or with 2 we can do the 2 fer first off, it will prevent a mylo scenario which is awkward 8v2 lynch 7v2 nightkill 6v2 lynch 5v2 nightkill4v2 (mylo) but if you do your scenario 8v2 lynch 7v2 soup 5v2 lynch 4v2 nightkill 3v2 (cleaner... better odds of lynching mafia in lylo ass opposed to mylo) TL;DR with 2 or 3 left we are in an awkward scenario where it will end up in mylo instead of lylo which are better odds for mafia. So looking back at this, I noticed that there are some mistakes/weird stuff happening here. In your 2nd list you have town mislynching, followed by a soup kill which makes no sense. Only way we get a 2nd claim today is if Inq claims a redcheck which would mean: 8v2 lynch 8v1 soup 6v1 mislynch 5v1 nightkill 4v1 ml 3v1 nk 2v1 LyLo no soup 8v2 ml 7v2 nk 6v2 ml 5v2 nk 4v2 MyLo Or the 7/3 situation 7v3 lynch 7v2 soup 5v2 ml 4v2 nk 3v2 LyLo And lastly 7/3 no soup 7v3 ml 6v3 nk 5v3 MyLo (ml 4v3 into nk 3v3) That last one is scary actually. Also I now see exactly what you mean BM. Redcheck should definitely be claimed. It probably should have been claimed already, but if you listened to my lat post about this and held off claiming a redcheck now is the time. Otherwise assuming Damdred is town seems fairly reasonable. OK I'll resume this post to see if it makes sense. Assuming Shining wasn't mafia, as I'm pretty sure he was town, and assuming we mislynch every day, the three possibilities are: Red check claimed: 7-3 is now 7-2 mislynch 6-2 after NK Two mislynches left before losing Red check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislynch left before losing Green check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislyng before losing It doesn't make sense for the inquisitor to not claim.
you're wrong; recheck your math
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On September 20 2015 18:21 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 18:06 Rels wrote:On September 20 2015 09:40 Tictock wrote:On September 19 2015 15:44 Bill Murray wrote:On September 19 2015 14:57 Tictock wrote:
Also, just gunna throw this out there.
Cop (Inquisitor) doesn't NEED to claim if they have a red check imo. In fact I'm not sure it's a good idea at all anymore.
Right now we know Vixax is martyr, if Cop claims with a red-check on Damdred then mafia can soup them both tonight, and possibly more if they have some read on other roles.
So claiming a redcheck is a 1 mafia for 2 town trade. Given that mafia goes for the soup kill.
That would (again assuming we are 7/3 now) put us into a 5/2. Leaving town with the one mislynch before we are in lylo.
So think things through yourself, check if I'm right here and if it's still a good call to claim a check in this situation. I 100% disagree with this we can afford that... in fact it would be good for town we CANT afford losing 3 in 1 night either way with 3 or with 2 we can do the 2 fer first off, it will prevent a mylo scenario which is awkward 8v2 lynch 7v2 nightkill 6v2 lynch 5v2 nightkill4v2 (mylo) but if you do your scenario 8v2 lynch 7v2 soup 5v2 lynch 4v2 nightkill 3v2 (cleaner... better odds of lynching mafia in lylo ass opposed to mylo) TL;DR with 2 or 3 left we are in an awkward scenario where it will end up in mylo instead of lylo which are better odds for mafia. So looking back at this, I noticed that there are some mistakes/weird stuff happening here. In your 2nd list you have town mislynching, followed by a soup kill which makes no sense. Only way we get a 2nd claim today is if Inq claims a redcheck which would mean: 8v2 lynch 8v1 soup 6v1 mislynch 5v1 nightkill 4v1 ml 3v1 nk 2v1 LyLo no soup 8v2 ml 7v2 nk 6v2 ml 5v2 nk 4v2 MyLo Or the 7/3 situation 7v3 lynch 7v2 soup 5v2 ml 4v2 nk 3v2 LyLo And lastly 7/3 no soup 7v3 ml 6v3 nk 5v3 MyLo (ml 4v3 into nk 3v3) That last one is scary actually. Also I now see exactly what you mean BM. Redcheck should definitely be claimed. It probably should have been claimed already, but if you listened to my lat post about this and held off claiming a redcheck now is the time. Otherwise assuming Damdred is town seems fairly reasonable. OK I'll resume this post to see if it makes sense. Assuming Shining wasn't mafia, as I'm pretty sure he was town, and assuming we mislynch every day, the three possibilities are: Red check claimed: 7-3 is now 7-2 mislynch 6-2 after NK Two mislynches left before losing Red check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislynch left before losing Green check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislyng before losing It doesn't make sense for the inquisitor to not claim. Fuck I forgot soup. Let me redo this: Red check claimed: 7-3 is now 7-2 mislynch 5-2 after soup Two mislynches left before losing Red check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislynch left before losing Green check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislyng before losing OK even with soup it's better to claim actually.
are you purposefully putting out bad information and maf or are you just stupid?
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On September 20 2015 19:40 Rels wrote:Now about BM. Town points1Tone. BM seem to be able to post freely, and this is town indicative. Mafia pointsIn spoiler Vivax' case against BM. I will take one point from his case. + Show Spoiler +On September 17 2015 22:52 Vivax wrote:Rapid fire posting doesn't make BM town. I don't find his reasoning for talking about my reads over rayn's satisfying. Point being he shouldn't have any reason to compare his reads to mine when I'm confirmed town and turn a blind eye towards rayn like he did. While I'm writing this I'm also suspicious of rayn for the way the two of them haven't been particularly hands-on towards each other. I'm going to pick apart a few of his posts: Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar
I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT
Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred
He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT
TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.
I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does "Buddying" is something you do when you try to pocket a townie, scum don't need to buddy each other. BM should know that. This post has pretty much contrary opinion to what me and Rayn said about Rels and TT and ends with him wanting to "consolidate" on LS for unmentioned reasons. Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:40 Bill Murray wrote:On September 16 2015 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i seriously think BM is town now.
BM i don't think your read on Rels is accurate, i think he is quite obviously town.
I will re-evaluate TT tomorrow, but i still think he is town.
I think FF has a decent chance of being mafia. well even if i think they might be town i want to break up their buddy buddy circlejerk Here rayn talked against his reads and notice how BM's reads shift towards thinking that Rels and TT might be town. Rayn agrees with FF being mafia. Also interesting wording implying that rayn and me aren't part of that buddy buddy circlejerk when BM is townreading all of us. Kinda minor point but seems like reasoning he just slapped in there. No mention of LS he was willing to consolidate on (2 minutes later he softens that scumread). I have no idea why rayn TRs him. Here BM reaches the point of zero scumreads: Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote:
LS has a unique read there
FF im gonna drop my scumread on you because i like your explanation - i didnt realize he ninja'd you there... but i remember reading the lol into lol followed by the influx of marijuana induced loling So he rereads to find something: And finds something that suddenly makes Rels town... When it has been posted SIX HOURS before he scumread him for the buddy buddy and the list post. Proof: + Show Spoiler +On September 15 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
OK let's bring back this little thing.
The useful list of useless people
The Shining
HTS
LS
fidei
Dandel Ion
If one person is still in this list at deadline I'll push him hard His post at page 15: On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote:I don't understand you. You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan. And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this: Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? Then you gtfo. I think you're mafia. On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar
I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT
Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred
He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT
TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.
I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15 So yeah, BM is bullshittin Vivax's good point in the case: when first posting and catching up with the thread, we had 4 people more or less forming an initial town circle: TT, rayn, Vivax and I. BM tried to break the circle by mentioning: - TT and I were buddying (which, if we're both mafia, is not even the right term) - saying Vivax's reads were wrong (about TT and I town) - not mentioning that rayn's reads were wrong, even though they matched Vivax' Then, as soon as rayn told him I probably was not mafia, he dropped his scumreads. So what I'm seeing here is BM buddying rayn by: 1. saying Vivax' reads are wrong instead of rayn's, even though they are the same 2. dropping his reads as soon as rayn talks to him 2BM didn't participate in the check plan (rayn's plan about town deciding the check target). This plan is bad for mafia, so him not participating or mentionning the plan is scum indicative. + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2015 18:40 Rels wrote:Now that plan of directing the cop check is really bad for the mafia and really good for town. So everybody that participated in it will have town points: Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:14 Rels wrote:
OK so we have:
Damdred check: rayn Rels TT Hts fidei ff shining
Fidei check: geript Maybe the last voters get less points, as at this point it was pretty clear Damdred would be checked though. But they still participated on something that is bad for mafia, which would be unnatural if they were mafia. BM's first post in D2 was him scumreading and voting Damdred. What's bad about it is that the town sentiment about Damdred D1 was that we would be waiting for the check to happen to decide on him. I don't understand him immediately jumping on Damdred, before everybody had a chance to post. Now he has switched to LS, being the last person to sheep the town sentiment. Maybe this is indicative of a scum bus if LS is mafia. + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads
His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on
I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together
##Vote Damdred On September 20 2015 12:39 Bill Murray wrote:
I changed my vote to LS Maybe scum. The only thing keeping me scumreading him 100% is his tone. So: I want someone who has played with him before to tell me if he is capable of having this "I don't care here is my thoughts" tone if he is mafia.
wow youre pushing fucking misinformation hard
1) vivax's case is bullshit
a.) i didnt try to break up an imaginary towncircle that didnt exist. you and tt were cuddling in a corner while vivax was making terrible reads and rayn was trying to drive the shortbus
the real towncircle D1 was rayn-geript-me in my opinion
2) i didnt participate in that because I WASNT HERE.
3) i was voting damdred D1, and i believe he is scum, so i voted him at the start of today
a.) I read rayn say "ls is definitely the lynch for today"
b.) vivax posted and didnt say "nope we're not lynching LS"
c.) im 29 with obligations and shit so im not 100% im always going to have time to change my vote so i went ahead and did what the thread sentiment was
d.) i can easily see damdred-you damdred-ff or LS-you LS-lordknowswho-scum#3
i dont know how many scum or left but i can see damdred or LS being maf
i WANT to believe youre not maf because you feel genuine to me but god there are some people making some terrible reads this game
On September 20 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2015 19:08 Rels wrote:On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads
His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on
I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together
##Vote Damdred WTF Damdred being suspicious is EXACTLY why he has been checked tonight Now Shining or geript could have been the inquisitor But here is a fucking high % Damdred is confirmed town. So why are you voting him ? BM still waiting for an answer to that
yeah this is all WIFOM we have no idea who was fucking checked
why the fuck would a cop go with your plan? you're not as townie as you think
On September 20 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:On September 19 2015 19:08 Rels wrote:On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads
His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on
I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together
##Vote Damdred WTF Damdred being suspicious is EXACTLY why he has been checked tonight Now Shining or geript could have been the inquisitor But here is a fucking high % Damdred is confirmed town. So why are you voting him ? BM still waiting for an answer to that If would also like your reasons for switching to LS Are you just sheeping rayn ?
Way to ask questions and try to get fake ass town cred for someone you thought went to bed
lol.
but nope im here so you're gonna get this flipped back around on you
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On September 20 2015 21:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 21:09 Bill Murray wrote:On September 20 2015 18:21 Rels wrote:On September 20 2015 18:06 Rels wrote:On September 20 2015 09:40 Tictock wrote:On September 19 2015 15:44 Bill Murray wrote:On September 19 2015 14:57 Tictock wrote:
Also, just gunna throw this out there.
Cop (Inquisitor) doesn't NEED to claim if they have a red check imo. In fact I'm not sure it's a good idea at all anymore.
Right now we know Vixax is martyr, if Cop claims with a red-check on Damdred then mafia can soup them both tonight, and possibly more if they have some read on other roles.
So claiming a redcheck is a 1 mafia for 2 town trade. Given that mafia goes for the soup kill.
That would (again assuming we are 7/3 now) put us into a 5/2. Leaving town with the one mislynch before we are in lylo.
So think things through yourself, check if I'm right here and if it's still a good call to claim a check in this situation. I 100% disagree with this we can afford that... in fact it would be good for town we CANT afford losing 3 in 1 night either way with 3 or with 2 we can do the 2 fer first off, it will prevent a mylo scenario which is awkward 8v2 lynch 7v2 nightkill 6v2 lynch 5v2 nightkill4v2 (mylo) but if you do your scenario 8v2 lynch 7v2 soup 5v2 lynch 4v2 nightkill 3v2 (cleaner... better odds of lynching mafia in lylo ass opposed to mylo) TL;DR with 2 or 3 left we are in an awkward scenario where it will end up in mylo instead of lylo which are better odds for mafia. So looking back at this, I noticed that there are some mistakes/weird stuff happening here. In your 2nd list you have town mislynching, followed by a soup kill which makes no sense. Only way we get a 2nd claim today is if Inq claims a redcheck which would mean: 8v2 lynch 8v1 soup 6v1 mislynch 5v1 nightkill 4v1 ml 3v1 nk 2v1 LyLo no soup 8v2 ml 7v2 nk 6v2 ml 5v2 nk 4v2 MyLo Or the 7/3 situation 7v3 lynch 7v2 soup 5v2 ml 4v2 nk 3v2 LyLo And lastly 7/3 no soup 7v3 ml 6v3 nk 5v3 MyLo (ml 4v3 into nk 3v3) That last one is scary actually. Also I now see exactly what you mean BM. Redcheck should definitely be claimed. It probably should have been claimed already, but if you listened to my lat post about this and held off claiming a redcheck now is the time. Otherwise assuming Damdred is town seems fairly reasonable. OK I'll resume this post to see if it makes sense. Assuming Shining wasn't mafia, as I'm pretty sure he was town, and assuming we mislynch every day, the three possibilities are: Red check claimed: 7-3 is now 7-2 mislynch 6-2 after NK Two mislynches left before losing Red check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislynch left before losing Green check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislyng before losing It doesn't make sense for the inquisitor to not claim. Fuck I forgot soup. Let me redo this: Red check claimed: 7-3 is now 7-2 mislynch 5-2 after soup Two mislynches left before losing Red check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislynch left before losing Green check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislyng before losing OK even with soup it's better to claim actually. are you purposefully putting out bad information and maf or are you just stupid? explain to me what is the fucking problem ?
1) if there is a red check there wouldnt be a mislynch numbskull
2) you seem to be only purposefully analyzing scenarios where we go into mylo which is why i posted these things in the first place... do you EVEN REALIZE IM THE ONE WHO STARTED THESE?
3) if you really want to go into bad scenarios you need to analyze the one that i got corrected on... because tictock and i already discussed these
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and rels you are literally just parroting the analysis i did on these but you dont understand it lol it's kind of pitiful for me to see you try to steal my towncred but not realize how i came to said conclusion
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On September 20 2015 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 21:17 Bill Murray wrote:On September 20 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:On September 19 2015 19:08 Rels wrote:On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads
His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on
I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together
##Vote Damdred WTF Damdred being suspicious is EXACTLY why he has been checked tonight Now Shining or geript could have been the inquisitor But here is a fucking high % Damdred is confirmed town. So why are you voting him ? BM still waiting for an answer to that yeah this is all WIFOM we have no idea who was fucking checked why the fuck would a cop go with your plan? you're not as townie as you think it was my plan.
well theres another thing Rels tried to take credit for and parroted
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after my reading last night i literally thought it was his plan because thats how he was acting
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On September 17 2015 22:16 Rels wrote:
In case this is a contested lynch between LS Damdred and Dandel, I need you to read this
As rayn posted, it is important that we decide who the inquisitor should check. If we do that:
- the oracle has a garanteed hit
- if the inquisitor doesn't claim a red check D2, it means that the checked target is town
If there is a contested lynch, the person we decided to check might be lynched, and we cannot talk at night in this setup. It could mean the inquisitor and the oracle not knowing who to check.
SO
Near the end of the day, everybody should state who they want to check in addition to their lynch.
In the person they wanted to check is lynched instead, the inquisitor would just have to assume their initial lynch target is their check target.
OK ?
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sure he mentions you but 3 words about you i missed does not take away from the fact he has been parroting the strongest plans town have made. he parrots you in that post on your plan and basically just reiterated it to get towncred. so i come in with a solid post on whats going to happen if we have mislynch/soup/etc and then he does the exact same thing to me in these posts:
On September 19 2015 15:44 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2015 14:57 Tictock wrote:
Also, just gunna throw this out there.
Cop (Inquisitor) doesn't NEED to claim if they have a red check imo. In fact I'm not sure it's a good idea at all anymore.
Right now we know Vixax is martyr, if Cop claims with a red-check on Damdred then mafia can soup them both tonight, and possibly more if they have some read on other roles.
So claiming a redcheck is a 1 mafia for 2 town trade. Given that mafia goes for the soup kill.
That would (again assuming we are 7/3 now) put us into a 5/2. Leaving town with the one mislynch before we are in lylo.
So think things through yourself, check if I'm right here and if it's still a good call to claim a check in this situation. I 100% disagree with this we can afford that... in fact it would be good for town we CANT afford losing 3 in 1 night either way with 3 or with 2 we can do the 2 fer first off, it will prevent a mylo scenario which is awkward 8v2 lynch 7v2 nightkill 6v2 lynch 5v2 nightkill4v2 (mylo) but if you do your scenario 8v2 lynch 7v2 soup 5v2 lynch 4v2 nightkill 3v2 (cleaner... better odds of lynching mafia in lylo ass opposed to mylo) TL;DR with 2 or 3 left we are in an awkward scenario where it will end up in mylo instead of lylo which are better odds for mafia. What do I propose? No lynch? Nope. Wanna know why? Angelic Protection. We have Geript in the graveyard dictating where protections should be from the masses. We get a good lynch, and a good protect, and we are potentially ahead of where we were before. Tictock, I don't scumread you at all anymore. Reads change over the course of a game. I am, and have been, deadset on lynching Damdred. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm just not feeling town-Damdred. I also feel he has overly interacted with FecalFeast, and the way they both acted with the Grail was pretty peculiar. I believe you're asking me about LS? Well, his interactions with Rayn have me leaning town on him, but I saw 1 post he made that reminded me of his scum game. I'm not that good at reading him, so I don't want to be like "ermagerd hez tern" and be wrong
On September 19 2015 19:22 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2015 14:44 Tictock wrote:
Vote Count: ~24hrs before EoD
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet
The Shining (1): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (1): Rels
Damdred (5): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky
Holy Grail Vote
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (1): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (1): geript
EoDVote Count
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
The Shining (0): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
Damdred (2): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky, Vivax
Bill Murray (0): Vivax
Holy Grail Vote
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (1): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): geript, Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike
EoDVote Count: Cleaned up with colors!
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
Damdred (2): Bill Murray, Vivax
Holy Grail Vote
geript (7): raynpelikoneet, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
Vivax (4): Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (1): Fecalfeast
Ok this doesn't really tell us a whole lot, or at least I dont see much information from this, but maybe someone who is better with VCA stuff cna read more into it than I, also now we have a couple of VCs for D1 to look at.
The runaway train that grew on Dandel probably has all the mafia on it. Rayn has been pretty clearly town, Vivax is unCC'd and I'm leaning town on BM, so that's where I'm going to put my focus.
Damdred, LS and FF and an outside chance of Fidei are the people I'm thinking are most likely scum. I'm not really sure if I'm still scum reading Fidei, but I'm gunna leave him on the scummier side of null for now untill I get a chance to reread him. I know that he's playing in multiple games at once so that split of his focus might be affecting my read on him.
Pretty cool (= I prefer a colored vote count with switches though. Here it is: EoDVote CountLightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet, Dandel IonThe Shining (0): Rels, Dandel IonDandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geriptDamdred (2): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky, Vivax Bill Murray (0): VivaxHoly Grail Votegeript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel IonTicTock (1): Relsraynpelikoneet (1): LightningStrike Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the SkyVivax (0): geript, Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike Not much to say with that big of a wagon. Dandel voting for LS at the end is weird; why did he not fucking shot LS. I disagree with BM outside the main wagon being town indicative. Maybe if he was here at EOD and had reasons to do so, it would mean something; but the reason he's not on the main wagon is that he was not here.
On September 20 2015 18:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 09:40 Tictock wrote:On September 19 2015 15:44 Bill Murray wrote:On September 19 2015 14:57 Tictock wrote:
Also, just gunna throw this out there.
Cop (Inquisitor) doesn't NEED to claim if they have a red check imo. In fact I'm not sure it's a good idea at all anymore.
Right now we know Vixax is martyr, if Cop claims with a red-check on Damdred then mafia can soup them both tonight, and possibly more if they have some read on other roles.
So claiming a redcheck is a 1 mafia for 2 town trade. Given that mafia goes for the soup kill.
That would (again assuming we are 7/3 now) put us into a 5/2. Leaving town with the one mislynch before we are in lylo.
So think things through yourself, check if I'm right here and if it's still a good call to claim a check in this situation. I 100% disagree with this we can afford that... in fact it would be good for town we CANT afford losing 3 in 1 night either way with 3 or with 2 we can do the 2 fer first off, it will prevent a mylo scenario which is awkward 8v2 lynch 7v2 nightkill 6v2 lynch 5v2 nightkill4v2 (mylo) but if you do your scenario 8v2 lynch 7v2 soup 5v2 lynch 4v2 nightkill 3v2 (cleaner... better odds of lynching mafia in lylo ass opposed to mylo) TL;DR with 2 or 3 left we are in an awkward scenario where it will end up in mylo instead of lylo which are better odds for mafia. So looking back at this, I noticed that there are some mistakes/weird stuff happening here. In your 2nd list you have town mislynching, followed by a soup kill which makes no sense. Only way we get a 2nd claim today is if Inq claims a redcheck which would mean: 8v2 lynch 8v1 soup 6v1 mislynch 5v1 nightkill 4v1 ml 3v1 nk 2v1 LyLo no soup 8v2 ml 7v2 nk 6v2 ml 5v2 nk 4v2 MyLo Or the 7/3 situation 7v3 lynch 7v2 soup 5v2 ml 4v2 nk 3v2 LyLo And lastly 7/3 no soup 7v3 ml 6v3 nk 5v3 MyLo (ml 4v3 into nk 3v3) That last one is scary actually. Also I now see exactly what you mean BM. Redcheck should definitely be claimed. It probably should have been claimed already, but if you listened to my lat post about this and held off claiming a redcheck now is the time. Otherwise assuming Damdred is town seems fairly reasonable. OK I'll resume this post to see if it makes sense. Assuming Shining wasn't mafia, as I'm pretty sure he was town, and assuming we mislynch every day, the three possibilities are: Red check claimed: 7-3 is now 7-2 mislynch 6-2 after NK Two mislynches left before losing Red check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislynch left before losing Green check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislyng before losing It doesn't make sense for the inquisitor to not claim.
If you look he also steals tictock's wagon-analysis post and said "here i color coded it for you"
it's like he's protecting his filter
i am 100% sure Rels is scum. I suspected him D1 and let you guys talk me out of it but im 100% sure now and i'm 100% voting him the rest of this game
1) he parrots rayns plan
2) the lynch analysis i do and discuss with tictock he parrots
3) the wagon analysis tictock did he parrots
4) he is claiming oh ill vote so and so but he's just a hypocrite who will vote LS even when he's accusing rayn of this
##Vote: Rels
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Rels my case on you is that you are taking other peoples ideas and you are plagiarizing them for town credit
You are also bandwaggoning while accusing other people of doing so
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On September 20 2015 21:31 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 21:21 Bill Murray wrote:
after my reading last night i literally thought it was his plan because thats how he was acting Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 21:26 Bill Murray wrote:On September 17 2015 22:16 Rels wrote:
In case this is a contested lynch between LS Damdred and Dandel, I need you to read this
As rayn posted, it is important that we decide who the inquisitor should check. If we do that:
- the oracle has a garanteed hit
- if the inquisitor doesn't claim a red check D2, it means that the checked target is town
If there is a contested lynch, the person we decided to check might be lynched, and we cannot talk at night in this setup. It could mean the inquisitor and the oracle not knowing who to check.
SO
Near the end of the day, everybody should state who they want to check in addition to their lynch.
In the person they wanted to check is lynched instead, the inquisitor would just have to assume their initial lynch target is their check target.
OK ? Did you REALLY posted this to contradict yourself DId you miss the "as rayn posted" ??
Read what I wrote.
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On September 20 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 21:17 Bill Murray wrote:On September 20 2015 19:40 Rels wrote:Now about BM. Town points1Tone. BM seem to be able to post freely, and this is town indicative. Mafia pointsIn spoiler Vivax' case against BM. I will take one point from his case. + Show Spoiler +On September 17 2015 22:52 Vivax wrote:Rapid fire posting doesn't make BM town. I don't find his reasoning for talking about my reads over rayn's satisfying. Point being he shouldn't have any reason to compare his reads to mine when I'm confirmed town and turn a blind eye towards rayn like he did. While I'm writing this I'm also suspicious of rayn for the way the two of them haven't been particularly hands-on towards each other. I'm going to pick apart a few of his posts: Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar
I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT
Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred
He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT
TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.
I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does "Buddying" is something you do when you try to pocket a townie, scum don't need to buddy each other. BM should know that. This post has pretty much contrary opinion to what me and Rayn said about Rels and TT and ends with him wanting to "consolidate" on LS for unmentioned reasons. Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:40 Bill Murray wrote:On September 16 2015 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i seriously think BM is town now.
BM i don't think your read on Rels is accurate, i think he is quite obviously town.
I will re-evaluate TT tomorrow, but i still think he is town.
I think FF has a decent chance of being mafia. well even if i think they might be town i want to break up their buddy buddy circlejerk Here rayn talked against his reads and notice how BM's reads shift towards thinking that Rels and TT might be town. Rayn agrees with FF being mafia. Also interesting wording implying that rayn and me aren't part of that buddy buddy circlejerk when BM is townreading all of us. Kinda minor point but seems like reasoning he just slapped in there. No mention of LS he was willing to consolidate on (2 minutes later he softens that scumread). I have no idea why rayn TRs him. Here BM reaches the point of zero scumreads: Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote:
LS has a unique read there
FF im gonna drop my scumread on you because i like your explanation - i didnt realize he ninja'd you there... but i remember reading the lol into lol followed by the influx of marijuana induced loling So he rereads to find something: And finds something that suddenly makes Rels town... When it has been posted SIX HOURS before he scumread him for the buddy buddy and the list post. Proof: + Show Spoiler +On September 15 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
OK let's bring back this little thing.
The useful list of useless people
The Shining
HTS
LS
fidei
Dandel Ion
If one person is still in this list at deadline I'll push him hard His post at page 15: On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote:I don't understand you. You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan. And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this: Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? Then you gtfo. I think you're mafia. On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar
I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT
Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred
He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT
TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.
I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15 So yeah, BM is bullshittin Vivax's good point in the case: when first posting and catching up with the thread, we had 4 people more or less forming an initial town circle: TT, rayn, Vivax and I. BM tried to break the circle by mentioning: - TT and I were buddying (which, if we're both mafia, is not even the right term) - saying Vivax's reads were wrong (about TT and I town) - not mentioning that rayn's reads were wrong, even though they matched Vivax' Then, as soon as rayn told him I probably was not mafia, he dropped his scumreads. So what I'm seeing here is BM buddying rayn by: 1. saying Vivax' reads are wrong instead of rayn's, even though they are the same 2. dropping his reads as soon as rayn talks to him 2BM didn't participate in the check plan (rayn's plan about town deciding the check target). This plan is bad for mafia, so him not participating or mentionning the plan is scum indicative. + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2015 18:40 Rels wrote:Now that plan of directing the cop check is really bad for the mafia and really good for town. So everybody that participated in it will have town points: Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:14 Rels wrote:
OK so we have:
Damdred check: rayn Rels TT Hts fidei ff shining
Fidei check: geript Maybe the last voters get less points, as at this point it was pretty clear Damdred would be checked though. But they still participated on something that is bad for mafia, which would be unnatural if they were mafia. BM's first post in D2 was him scumreading and voting Damdred. What's bad about it is that the town sentiment about Damdred D1 was that we would be waiting for the check to happen to decide on him. I don't understand him immediately jumping on Damdred, before everybody had a chance to post. Now he has switched to LS, being the last person to sheep the town sentiment. Maybe this is indicative of a scum bus if LS is mafia. + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads
His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on
I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together
##Vote Damdred On September 20 2015 12:39 Bill Murray wrote:
I changed my vote to LS Maybe scum. The only thing keeping me scumreading him 100% is his tone. So: I want someone who has played with him before to tell me if he is capable of having this "I don't care here is my thoughts" tone if he is mafia. wow youre pushing fucking misinformation hard 1) vivax's case is bullshit a.) i didnt try to break up an imaginary towncircle that didnt exist. you and tt were cuddling in a corner while vivax was making terrible reads and rayn was trying to drive the shortbus the real towncircle D1 was rayn-geript-me in my opinion So Vivax made terrible reads you agreed about later ? Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 21:17 Bill Murray wrote:
2) i didnt participate in that because I WASNT HERE. I'm pretty sure you were in the thread at the same time rayn posted his plan. Let me check. rayn's plan: Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also really really want geript to have the grail for reasons.
I believe there is exactly two mafia in LightningStrike and TickTok. However my read on TT has been terrible in the game i was with him, so i am not completely sure of that.
Damdred is basically begging a cop check so i don't think the lynch on him is a good idea. I also think the cop should check him because we either get a red, or we get a really good townie (if he can be trusted to be town).
Dandel might be mafia here, i am not sure, i don't really see anyone else being scum outside these four people. I believe HtS to be town and i believe she is right on James if she is town (well she probably would not lie even if she was mafia sooo). Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:And for the record this is a game where directing cop checks is allowed. There are several reasons; 1) cop should claim whenever they have red. if you direct a cop check and have no claim you know you have a green check without the cop claiming - there is no GF and no roleblocker, nothing makes the checks unreliable and they always go through 2) If mafia wants to kill a scummy player, please, go ahead, it makes town's life easier  3) there are roles that benefit from knowing if someone visits a certain person. well one role, but still. Your last post of this series of posts: Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 17:08 Bill Murray wrote:On September 16 2015 20:22 Vivax wrote:
Slight townread on LS and shining.
Scumlean on Damdred.
HtS stays in null territory, I liked her opinion on geript's post on LS, it made me change perspective a bit, had to reread it myself a couple of times but then I saw where geript was coming from, it was kinda formulaic tho.
Point about HtS being that she is showing effort but it can come from both alignments, she committed a bit on my points about FF but not willing to read her either way so far.
Geript goes to null-scummish territory cause of personal meta. In some recent game I scumread him for being too tryhard to the point where I thought he was just playing it. Turned out he was the tracker, anyway he's not really anything like that in this game.
BM kinda doing his own thing, disagrees with me on basically everything. Well, I disagree with him as well and I'm just gonna let him do his own thing for now and keep him null, BUT
I find it interesting he points out how he disagrees with me and not rayn who at the time agreed with me on Rels and TT, and BM called rayn town from the get go. What irks me here is that he prefers to compare his reads to mine rather than to rayn's. Will have to take a closer look at that I guess. well i have known you the longest and i am a meta player... gonna finish catching up on the presidential debates (GOP) and go to bed though will pop up tomorrow So if you weren't aware of this plan, you were not reading the thread. Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 21:17 Bill Murray wrote:
3) i was voting damdred D1, and i believe he is scum, so i voted him at the start of today
a.) I read rayn say "ls is definitely the lynch for today"
b.) vivax posted and didnt say "nope we're not lynching LS"
c.) im 29 with obligations and shit so im not 100% im always going to have time to change my vote so i went ahead and did what the thread sentiment was
d.) i can easily see damdred-you damdred-ff or LS-you LS-lordknowswho-scum#3 So you are following the thread sentiment ?? Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 21:17 Bill Murray wrote:On September 20 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:On September 19 2015 19:08 Rels wrote:On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads
His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on
I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together
##Vote Damdred WTF Damdred being suspicious is EXACTLY why he has been checked tonight Now Shining or geript could have been the inquisitor But here is a fucking high % Damdred is confirmed town. So why are you voting him ? BM still waiting for an answer to that yeah this is all WIFOM we have no idea who was fucking checked why the fuck would a cop go with your plan? you're not as townie as you think WTF IT IS NOT MY PLAN If even if YOU think I'm not townie as I think, ARE YOU SAYING THE PLAN IS BAD ?
Well yes I do remember that post but I wouldnt say 5 words = a plan
he's directing a cop check and the cop might not even do that
you are flailing now so im even 5% more sure you're scum
95-105% you're scum. you get scum bonus points. want a brownie?
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On September 20 2015 21:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 21:32 Bill Murray wrote:
Rels my case on you is that you are taking other peoples ideas and you are plagiarizing them for town credit
You are also bandwaggoning while accusing other people of doing so OK, no way you could be this dumb (= So you will explain very cleanly what is bad about taking good ideas from other people and applying them Then you will quote the ideas I took and explain how I disformed them to give my team an advantage
ok he just slipped here
look how shady his wording is "disformed them to give my team an advantage" like he's begging for us to look at him as town LOL this guy is hilarious
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he's also getting so nervous that where english is his 2nd language and french his first he is messing up his words "cleanly" instead of "clearly", for instance.
100% scum
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On September 20 2015 21:37 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 21:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 20 2015 21:32 Rels wrote:On September 20 2015 21:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 20 2015 21:18 Rels wrote:On September 20 2015 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Red check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislynch left before losing
Green check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislyng before losing we know for a fact dandel was town. so rels, explain it to me like i am five, why does the Exorcist not shoot if we mislynch? Because i can only think of one thing.... Because I forgot about him What is your explanation for mafia me forgetting it ? i am sorry but if you are mafia you know geript's role. I don't understand how But I understand if you don't want to explain because it would give infos If you are mafia and know geript was the exorcist it is easy to make the mistake of not including the exorcist into setup analysis at all (because duh.. they are dead). Again, if you do setup analysis i assume you AT LEAST READ THE ROLES that are in the game. rofl. Oh OK, I understand where you're coming from Well I made a mistake so this is valid
appealing to authority
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let me reread and try to find his partner(s)
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On September 20 2015 21:37 Vivax wrote:
Rels is NEVER mafia in this game, BM. Nitpicking over that stuff is just ridiculous. He's pretty much the guy who puts himself out there the most in this game and does a shitton of research out of his own motivation.
The only way you don't see this is cause you aren't town.
his "research" is largely stolen, at least in the last 10 pages. There are 3 major instances of this.
1) cop plan
2) lynch analysis
3) wagon analysis
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also your statement "never mafia" is wrong. mathematically speaking, he has the exact % of being mafia as the rest of us. His behavior, however, to me, screams mafia.
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On September 20 2015 21:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BM he actually has a point because i kinda find it really hard to believe you have a strong town read on me based on early game (i had basically said geript is town, LS is mafia, cop check should be directed because of reasons).
And then you... just what? forget one of these things and use it against him when it should be a reason to TOWNread him (as you are basically townreading me for the same thing)?
who is "him" here? Rels? Vivax?
who has a point? Rels? Vivax?
use what against who? i dont see how using logic A for player A means logic A works for player b
you're being illogical
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