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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
September 15 2015 13:12 GMT
#301
On September 15 2015 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 22:05 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:04 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:01 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:00 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:59 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:56 Half the Sky wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread.


On September 15 2015 21:40 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Also people that tend push are generally are mafia when I'm given my history. I never even played with rels before that could the most true thing of the rule of LS Town which if a new player who never played with me before tries to push me chances are they are mafia looking for a easy lynch. I had this happen time and time again so(shrugs).

There are multiple people pushing you. Why are you attacking me, when I'm voting The Shining ?


On September 15 2015 16:54 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 07:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I don't have much time atm but I'm here and Town so let's get down to business!

On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all?

Alright that is super scummy.
The first post looks like he doesn't know what to say.
The second post is a fucking useless question that is answered by rayn's previous post about why martyr should claim. Plus, a question is not what I call "getting down to business".


Does it look like Rels pushed you for being afk?
What makes you think this is a mafia-motivated post (the third quote)?

I am making the assumption that if you read up to the part where Vivax claimed you would have covered this section that I quoted.

That was from earlier(I had misread the thread as I only skimmed the thread after my last post from yesterday) and he was having his vote on Shining who is afk but I don't know if it's for real life reasons or not but I really don't like lurker lynches myself.

I'm not voting Shining for being AFK.
I'm not scumreading you for being AFK.

Seem like it though at the time?

What time ?
You're not making sense.
And you still don't explain why rayn should have been the one explaining the benefits of martyr not claiming D1. YOU should have been the one doing that if you didn't agree. You cannot ask a question, AFK, then come back 12 hours later and be like "Why did people listen to rayn ? Martyr hunting is a bad idea!"

Because should always see two sides of a coin in terms of benefits of claiming or not and I finding odd he didn't though.

explain the other side then.
i already did explain why there isn't one.

I already explained my side to Rels if you had taken a look between my conversation between myself and him. Martyr's can protect town leaders or the person gets the Holy Grail so it not a complete waste to have a Martyr not claim. I feel like I hitting my head on a brickwall already............
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 15 2015 13:12 GMT
#302
On September 15 2015 22:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:05 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:04 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:01 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:00 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:59 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:56 Half the Sky wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread.


On September 15 2015 21:40 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Also people that tend push are generally are mafia when I'm given my history. I never even played with rels before that could the most true thing of the rule of LS Town which if a new player who never played with me before tries to push me chances are they are mafia looking for a easy lynch. I had this happen time and time again so(shrugs).

There are multiple people pushing you. Why are you attacking me, when I'm voting The Shining ?


On September 15 2015 16:54 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 07:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I don't have much time atm but I'm here and Town so let's get down to business!

On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all?

Alright that is super scummy.
The first post looks like he doesn't know what to say.
The second post is a fucking useless question that is answered by rayn's previous post about why martyr should claim. Plus, a question is not what I call "getting down to business".


Does it look like Rels pushed you for being afk?
What makes you think this is a mafia-motivated post (the third quote)?

I am making the assumption that if you read up to the part where Vivax claimed you would have covered this section that I quoted.

That was from earlier(I had misread the thread as I only skimmed the thread after my last post from yesterday) and he was having his vote on Shining who is afk but I don't know if it's for real life reasons or not but I really don't like lurker lynches myself.

I'm not voting Shining for being AFK.
I'm not scumreading you for being AFK.

Seem like it though at the time?

What time ?
You're not making sense.
And you still don't explain why rayn should have been the one explaining the benefits of martyr not claiming D1. YOU should have been the one doing that if you didn't agree. You cannot ask a question, AFK, then come back 12 hours later and be like "Why did people listen to rayn ? Martyr hunting is a bad idea!"

Because should always see two sides of a coin in terms of benefits of claiming or not and I finding odd he didn't though.

explain the other side then.
i already did explain why there isn't one.

I already explained my side to Rels if you had taken a look between my conversation between myself and him. Martyr's can protect town leaders or the person gets the Holy Grail so it not a complete waste to have a Martyr not claim. I feel like I hitting my head on a brickwall already............

yes but your explanation does not make any sense at all.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
September 15 2015 13:13 GMT
#303
On September 15 2015 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 22:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:05 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:04 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:01 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:00 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:59 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:56 Half the Sky wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread.


On September 15 2015 21:40 Rels wrote:
[quote]
There are multiple people pushing you. Why are you attacking me, when I'm voting The Shining ?


On September 15 2015 16:54 Rels wrote:
[quote]
[quote]
Alright that is super scummy.
The first post looks like he doesn't know what to say.
The second post is a fucking useless question that is answered by rayn's previous post about why martyr should claim. Plus, a question is not what I call "getting down to business".


Does it look like Rels pushed you for being afk?
What makes you think this is a mafia-motivated post (the third quote)?

I am making the assumption that if you read up to the part where Vivax claimed you would have covered this section that I quoted.

That was from earlier(I had misread the thread as I only skimmed the thread after my last post from yesterday) and he was having his vote on Shining who is afk but I don't know if it's for real life reasons or not but I really don't like lurker lynches myself.

I'm not voting Shining for being AFK.
I'm not scumreading you for being AFK.

Seem like it though at the time?

What time ?
You're not making sense.
And you still don't explain why rayn should have been the one explaining the benefits of martyr not claiming D1. YOU should have been the one doing that if you didn't agree. You cannot ask a question, AFK, then come back 12 hours later and be like "Why did people listen to rayn ? Martyr hunting is a bad idea!"

Because should always see two sides of a coin in terms of benefits of claiming or not and I finding odd he didn't though.

explain the other side then.
i already did explain why there isn't one.

I already explained my side to Rels if you had taken a look between my conversation between myself and him. Martyr's can protect town leaders or the person gets the Holy Grail so it not a complete waste to have a Martyr not claim. I feel like I hitting my head on a brickwall already............

yes but your explanation does not make any sense at all.

It does in my mind(shrugs).
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 15 2015 13:14 GMT
#304
LightningStrike do you understand the fact if martyr protects someone they are effectively a mafia rolecop.
Mafia wins when they rolecop enough people in a way or another.

Do you want to try explaining the other side of the coin again?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 15 2015 13:15 GMT
#305
If you are town you might want to read the thread first.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
September 15 2015 13:16 GMT
#306
On September 15 2015 22:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LightningStrike do you understand the fact if martyr protects someone they are effectively a mafia rolecop.
Mafia wins when they rolecop enough people in a way or another.

Do you want to try explaining the other side of the coin again?

How do they act like a rolecop if they are alive? I still not understanding that part honestly.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 15 2015 13:17 GMT
#307
On September 15 2015 18:34 Vivax wrote:
There's only a small chance I'm reading too much into it cause it's FF but usually that applies. He doesn't care much when he's town, and is actually quite good at playing scum and making the impression that he cares and has some real scumreads. I don't think it's the latter in this game.


Agreed with all of this. Once I saw the lols happening I felt better about Fecalfeast. I've played 5-7 with him plus recalling a few more that I've hosted with him in it, so this is a fairly reliable meta. I've seen one game where he IS tryhard serious town (Not Themed) but I was able to tell the difference between that and tryhard serious mafia FF (Carnaval).

He's a slight townlean here.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
September 15 2015 13:17 GMT
#308
BTW I now getting ready for College and will try to post some stuff between classes so if I afk that's why.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 15 2015 13:18 GMT
#309
On September 15 2015 22:10 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 22:05 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:02 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW that was rude to say GTFO regardless of your alignment people might actually rage quit regardless of their alignment if you say mean stuff towards them.

OK regardless of alignment, you need to calm down and read properly.
Read the sentence again.
On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote:
I don't understand you.

You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan.

And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this:
On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all?

Then you gtfo.
I think you're mafia.

I was saying you left the thread after asking rayn a question.
I didn't say you needed to gtfo right now.

Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote:
I don't understand you.

You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan.

And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this:
On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all?

Then you gtfo.
I think you're mafia.

I taken that way but yet I didn't gtfo? Also if you had read my first post I already had said I wasn't going be around for long(longer than expected though because having College stuff to take care of)

You didn't leave but you left ? =D Anyway it's not the "you left" that is the bad part, it is the "I don't agree with this but I won't say it".

We have reached a dead end. I don't understand:
1 - Why you didn't explain how martyr hunting is bad at the beginning of the game when rayn was pushing super hard for the martyr to claim
2 - Why you asked rayn about the benefits of martyr not claiming when he clearly said he wanted the martyr to claim and explained why
3 - Why you are scumreading rayn for martyr hunting
4 - Why you are scumreading me for scumreading you
5 - Why you thought I am scumreading Shining and you for AFKing
I think you're mafia. No explanation on what you did earlier is going to change it. Things you do later might make me re evaluate.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 15 2015 13:19 GMT
#310
On September 15 2015 22:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 22:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LightningStrike do you understand the fact if martyr protects someone they are effectively a mafia rolecop.
Mafia wins when they rolecop enough people in a way or another.

Do you want to try explaining the other side of the coin again?

How do they act like a rolecop if they are alive? I still not understanding that part honestly.

they don't, they act as a rolecop for mafia if they use their role.
again, read the thread.
if you make one more comment on this before reading hte thread i will make sure you get 100% lynched.
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 15 2015 13:24 GMT
#311
Caught up to where I started posting.

This is where I am:

Likely town: rayn, Rels, Vivax
Townlean: FF, Tictock
Null: Fidei, Damdred, BM, Dandel
Scumlean: geript, Shining
Probable scum: LS

Fidei's post is legit (OGI) but that can be regardless of alignment.

Damdred is another one I do not have a good read on based on his filter, absolutely nothing after the "ls deadline vote" remark. I'd have expected him to post more though as either alignment though.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 15 2015 13:31 GMT
#312
I like this list
I love that I got to see mafia rayn in personality mafia. I think I would have a harder time not thinking of tinfoil mafia rayn in this game if I didn't experience the lackluster experience that is mafia rayn (=
Glad to see you agree on fidei and BM posts being NAI
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 15 2015 13:34 GMT
#313
I threw my vote on LS (deadline) for now.

Unsure of where I want to go for holy grail. I have a slight townlean on Tictock and I realise it's based on d1, but I want to be a little more sure that Tictock isn't pulling another performance like he did in Holy Guardians when he was scum. I obsed that game and he had me pretty fooled then.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 15 2015 13:35 GMT
#314
On September 15 2015 22:31 Rels wrote:
I love that I got to see mafia rayn in personality mafia. I think I would have a harder time not thinking of tinfoil mafia rayn in this game if I didn't experience the lackluster experience that is mafia rayn (=

tbh i genuinely could not play there.
and the game was shit, roles were shit, i don't even know why i replaced in....
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
September 15 2015 13:35 GMT
#315
I here still but I aint claiming unless I have to and will reread the thread later. Rels check all my games out for my meta and you might be able to give a better read on me there the database have all my games I had played in it. HTS you disappoint me
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 15 2015 13:35 GMT
#316
would disagree on FF and geript
FF you're the second people saying he's playing his town meta. OK. For me it means nothing.
geript pushed LS' lynch from the very beginning, and I don't think mafia bus this early, especially this game with everyone being a role
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 15 2015 13:37 GMT
#317
^ this is @HTS
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 15 2015 13:38 GMT
#318
On September 15 2015 22:35 Rels wrote:
would disagree on FF and geript
FF you're the second people saying he's playing his town meta. OK. For me it means nothing.
geript pushed LS' lynch from the very beginning, and I don't think mafia bus this early, especially this game with everyone being a role


On FF - I understand this viewpoint. There are a few games I cited where I can split his game and where he's broken meta as town (namely Not Themed) so I can see where he has the ability to break it as mafia. I think once he posts more and more information is on the loose he will be easier to discern past meta.

As for geript, let me pull the quotes so we can discuss, I recall rayn townreading him so I want to see what you are seeing that I am not or if I'm reading too much into something.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
September 15 2015 13:39 GMT
#319
On September 15 2015 22:18 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 22:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:05 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 22:02 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW that was rude to say GTFO regardless of your alignment people might actually rage quit regardless of their alignment if you say mean stuff towards them.

OK regardless of alignment, you need to calm down and read properly.
Read the sentence again.
On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote:
I don't understand you.

You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan.

And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this:
On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all?

Then you gtfo.
I think you're mafia.

I was saying you left the thread after asking rayn a question.
I didn't say you needed to gtfo right now.

On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote:
I don't understand you.

You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan.

And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this:
On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all?

Then you gtfo.
I think you're mafia.

I taken that way but yet I didn't gtfo? Also if you had read my first post I already had said I wasn't going be around for long(longer than expected though because having College stuff to take care of)

You didn't leave but you left ? =D Anyway it's not the "you left" that is the bad part, it is the "I don't agree with this but I won't say it".

We have reached a dead end. I don't understand:
1 - Why you didn't explain how martyr hunting is bad at the beginning of the game when rayn was pushing super hard for the martyr to claim
2 - Why you asked rayn about the benefits of martyr not claiming when he clearly said he wanted the martyr to claim and explained why
3 - Why you are scumreading rayn for martyr hunting
4 - Why you are scumreading me for scumreading you
5 - Why you thought I am scumreading Shining and you for AFKing
I think you're mafia. No explanation on what you did earlier is going to change it. Things you do later might make me re evaluate.

1. I wanted him to think of the positives of not claiming at the time/
2. See 1.
3. Because role hunting is a stupid idea in general for this type of game.
4. Because I have never played with you before the LS rule is that when someone I never played with scumreads me more than likely they are mafia. See Titanic and Slytherin on prplhz(Titanic Mafia) and gooblyduke(or whatever his name was when he was scum in Slytherin)
5. Because Shining was afk at the time and so was I?
I sorry but I am Town you need to check my meta to understand me.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
September 15 2015 13:41 GMT
#320
On September 15 2015 22:35 Rels wrote:
would disagree on FF and geript
FF you're the second people saying he's playing his town meta. OK. For me it means nothing.
geript pushed LS' lynch from the very beginning, and I don't think mafia bus this early, especially this game with everyone being a role

Geript knows me well but idk how he thought that question wasn't one I would ever ask when I had asked some similar questions in my past games. That post from seems a little forced.
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