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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
September 15 2015 12:33 GMT
#261
I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 15 2015 12:34 GMT
#262
On September 15 2015 21:33 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:25 Vivax wrote:
I don't see how it is indicative for her being anything.

If she has read like one page of the game and has never played this game i don't know how she trusts me enough to make the claim when she does (especially i derped and didn't even notice Palmar had changed the role slightly before like page 12).....


Based on your reads and your mechanics explanations, I trusted you enough that I could get a townlean on you, not that you were right about the mechanics. Those to me are two separate things. If I couldn't trust you were town, I wouldn't have said about me not being the martyr.

Okay so;
you saw me posting why the martyr should claim before you claimed you are not one right?
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 15 2015 12:35 GMT
#263
[QUOTE]On September 15 2015 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so;
you saw me posting why the martyr should claim before you claimed you are not one right?[/QUOTE]

No I'm not.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 15 2015 12:36 GMT
#264
EBWOP - Damn quotes.

No I'm not.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 15 2015 12:36 GMT
#265
On September 15 2015 21:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread.

so instead of arguing why claiming it is bad you just call me mafia when you don't even read my reasoning why the claiming is the correct play.

good job, try again.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
September 15 2015 12:37 GMT
#266
Also people that tend push are generally are mafia when I'm given my history. I never even played with rels before that could the most true thing of the rule of LS Town which if a new player who never played with me before tries to push me chances are they are mafia looking for a easy lynch. I had this happen time and time again so(shrugs).
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 15 2015 12:37 GMT
#267
On September 15 2015 21:36 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - Damn quotes.

No I'm not.

i meant, you read my reasoning why claiming is good before you said you are not the martyr, right?
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 15 2015 12:37 GMT
#268
On September 15 2015 21:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread.

1 - I don't understand your question
2 - Why is rayn mafia for martyr hunting ?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21976 Posts
September 15 2015 12:38 GMT
#269
Why are we still talking martyr stuff, I claimed, can we get over it?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
September 15 2015 12:39 GMT
#270
On September 15 2015 21:37 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 21:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread.

1 - I don't understand your question
2 - Why is rayn mafia for martyr hunting ?

Because role hunting I think is a stupid idea esp because of the mechanics involving about mafia can guess someone's role correctly and bam they are dead. Martyrs are actually useful as the game progresses and Rayn knows that.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
September 15 2015 12:40 GMT
#271
Shit I needed to read the thread more carefully. Fucking hell Vivax...............................
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 15 2015 12:40 GMT
#272
On September 15 2015 21:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Also people that tend push are generally are mafia when I'm given my history. I never even played with rels before that could the most true thing of the rule of LS Town which if a new player who never played with me before tries to push me chances are they are mafia looking for a easy lynch. I had this happen time and time again so(shrugs).

There are multiple people pushing you. Why are you attacking me, when I'm voting The Shining ?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 15 2015 12:41 GMT
#273
On September 15 2015 21:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Martyrs are actually useful as the game progresses and Rayn knows that.

no they are not.
table for two on a tv tray
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 15 2015 12:42 GMT
#274
On September 15 2015 21:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 21:37 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread.

1 - I don't understand your question
2 - Why is rayn mafia for martyr hunting ?

Because role hunting I think is a stupid idea esp because of the mechanics involving about mafia can guess someone's role correctly and bam they are dead. Martyrs are actually useful as the game progresses and Rayn knows that.

Role hunting != martyr hunting.
So: why is rayn mafia for martyr hunting ? In other words: why is martyr claiming D1 bad ?
And I still don't understand your question.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 15 2015 12:42 GMT
#275
LOL I just got to the part on page 10 where Vivax claimed.

I do not have a good read on Fecalfeast at this time.

As mafia he really shitposts and makes an effort to shitpost (reference: Carnaval, Ippo to a lesser extent). As town he plays more lurky but the caveat here is that in his first posts where he's talking about being wary of Damdred, he seems a little more serious/cautious than I'm used to seeing him (reference Titanic).

I'm going to say a very slight townlean but I could very well be wrong here.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
September 15 2015 12:43 GMT
#276
On September 15 2015 21:40 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 21:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Also people that tend push are generally are mafia when I'm given my history. I never even played with rels before that could the most true thing of the rule of LS Town which if a new player who never played with me before tries to push me chances are they are mafia looking for a easy lynch. I had this happen time and time again so(shrugs).

There are multiple people pushing you. Why are you attacking me, when I'm voting The Shining ?

Remeber when I said I need to read the thread more carefully? Ya that exactly what happen I saw that you had me in a list but you were voting Shining. Damdred the last he was mafia he called me out when I was town very early in Gaiden 1 so I still having a little pause for now on him.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
September 15 2015 12:43 GMT
#277
On September 15 2015 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 21:36 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - Damn quotes.

No I'm not.

i meant, you read my reasoning why claiming is good before you said you are not the martyr, right?

Yes, that and other people claiming "not martyr".
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
September 15 2015 12:45 GMT
#278
On September 15 2015 21:42 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 21:39 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:37 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread.

1 - I don't understand your question
2 - Why is rayn mafia for martyr hunting ?

Because role hunting I think is a stupid idea esp because of the mechanics involving about mafia can guess someone's role correctly and bam they are dead. Martyrs are actually useful as the game progresses and Rayn knows that.

Role hunting != martyr hunting.
So: why is rayn mafia for martyr hunting ? In other words: why is martyr claiming D1 bad ?
And I still don't understand your question.

I didn't ask a question I was just giving my thoughts about the claim. Martyrs can protect town leaders or the person who gets the Holy Grail as the game progress.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 15 2015 12:47 GMT
#279
On September 15 2015 21:45 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 21:42 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:39 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:37 Rels wrote:
On September 15 2015 21:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread.

1 - I don't understand your question
2 - Why is rayn mafia for martyr hunting ?

Because role hunting I think is a stupid idea esp because of the mechanics involving about mafia can guess someone's role correctly and bam they are dead. Martyrs are actually useful as the game progresses and Rayn knows that.

Role hunting != martyr hunting.
So: why is rayn mafia for martyr hunting ? In other words: why is martyr claiming D1 bad ?
And I still don't understand your question.

I didn't ask a question I was just giving my thoughts about the claim. Martyrs can protect town leaders or the person who gets the Holy Grail as the game progress.

Talking about this:

I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone?

On September 15 2015 21:45 LightningStrike wrote:
Martyrs can protect town leaders or the person who gets the Holy Grail as the game progress.

I was thinking like you, but because of rolecop + soup it doesn't actually work very well. Martyring protecting just means the target is going to die next night without a possible angel save.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 15 2015 12:48 GMT
#280
Can you answer this too ?
On September 15 2015 16:56 Rels wrote:
Fucking seriously. rayn posts this explaining why martyr not claiming is a bad idea:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now the martyr role, if used and not claimed does the following:
1) You die, noone in the town knows who mafia killed.
2) noone in the town knows your role, mafia does
3) noone in the town knows the role mafia tried to kill, mafia does.

It gives mafia an uncontested soup kill (their actual night kill) AND it gives them a possible fakeclaim (martyr) later on.

Then LS post this 3 minutes later:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all?


@LS did you read rayn post (the first quote in this post) before asking a question ?

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