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so every single person is OK lynching LS. That means this lynch is mafia approved: either a mislynch or a bus I have a few hours before I need to do other stuff, so I will try to filter dive everyone. If I don't have the time I won't do the people I'm pretty sure are town | ||
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On September 20 2015 17:10 Vivax wrote: ok so i just looked at damdreds filter in expectation that he actually started to care by now and its absolutely not the case. his activity was already abysmal on d1 and its worse now. he should definitely be lynched before ls who is one of the most mislynched players on the forum atm. more once i reach my pc I agree LS' lynch is either a mislynch or a bus Don't agree with lynching Damdred today though. He has probably been checked by the inquisitor, so if there is not red claim he's probably town Now the inquisitor might have been Shining or geript. But if that's the case, the acolyte knows the inquisitor is dead Mmmm. I think if Damdred continues to be inactive today even though he said he would pick up on Sunday AND the acolyte knows the inquisitor is dead, he should claim and we should lynch Damdred | ||
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On September 20 2015 17:41 Vivax wrote: Saying "there's no claimed check so Damdred must be green" is dumb, Nobody has any idea if the inquisitor died among the three flipped dudes, nobody has any idea if he actually checked Damdred. Hell, he might even have checked LS. Why would you lynch LS who has like 6 pages of filter over Damdred with shitty 2 pages just cause maybe the inquisitor checked him and is a guy who can never claim until he red checked two witches for the claim to be worth it. because we fucking talk about it in D1. If you had a problem with this you should have talked about this D1, when it was decided town should decide the check and the inquisitor should claim is he had a red checl. rayn made this plan and this plan is awesome 'cause: - the town decide the check target - if no claim, we can assume the check target is green WITHOUT the inquisitor needing to claim! No claim today = Damdred probably town. Hell, no resistance to Damdred being the check yesterday = Damdred probably town. Now there is the chance the inquisitor was Shining or geript, so Damdred is not confirmed town. But for me, it buys him at least today to do stuff. | ||
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If the inquisitor is dead the acolyte knows about it (unless both are dead, which would be super unlikely), hence my proposition for him to claim. It's not possible the inquisitor didn't check Damdred. It is the only target he was sure oracle would check too. Now maybe the inquisitor has red check and didn't claim. Maybe. I'll reread BM and TT post about what would happen if the inquisitor doesn't claim to see if that makes sense. | ||
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On September 20 2015 09:40 Tictock wrote: So looking back at this, I noticed that there are some mistakes/weird stuff happening here. In your 2nd list you have town mislynching, followed by a soup kill which makes no sense. Only way we get a 2nd claim today is if Inq claims a redcheck which would mean: 8v2 lynch 8v1 soup 6v1 mislynch 5v1 nightkill 4v1 ml 3v1 nk 2v1 LyLo no soup 8v2 ml 7v2 nk 6v2 ml 5v2 nk 4v2 MyLo Or the 7/3 situation 7v3 lynch 7v2 soup 5v2 ml 4v2 nk 3v2 LyLo And lastly 7/3 no soup 7v3 ml 6v3 nk 5v3 MyLo (ml 4v3 into nk 3v3) That last one is scary actually. Also I now see exactly what you mean BM. Redcheck should definitely be claimed. It probably should have been claimed already, but if you listened to my lat post about this and held off claiming a redcheck now is the time. Otherwise assuming Damdred is town seems fairly reasonable. OK I'll resume this post to see if it makes sense. Assuming Shining wasn't mafia, as I'm pretty sure he was town, and assuming we mislynch every day, the three possibilities are: Red check claimed: 7-3 is now 7-2 mislynch 6-2 after NK Two mislynches left before losing Red check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislynch left before losing Green check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislyng before losing It doesn't make sense for the inquisitor to not claim. | ||
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On September 20 2015 17:59 Vivax wrote: Ima tell you who I think is mafia atm: BM, Damdred, and rayn. BM I agree Damdred I would lynch if there was not this check thing rayn WTF ?? | ||
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On September 20 2015 18:01 Vivax wrote: I could potentially swap out BM with FF at this point. Man the reason I put FF out of my mafia list was your and HTS' meta read. What has changed ? | ||
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On September 20 2015 18:06 Rels wrote: OK I'll resume this post to see if it makes sense. Assuming Shining wasn't mafia, as I'm pretty sure he was town, and assuming we mislynch every day, the three possibilities are: Red check claimed: 7-3 is now 7-2 mislynch 6-2 after NK Two mislynches left before losing Red check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislynch left before losing Green check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislyng before losing It doesn't make sense for the inquisitor to not claim. Fuck I forgot soup. Let me redo this: Red check claimed: 7-3 is now 7-2 mislynch 5-2 after soup Two mislynches left before losing Red check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislynch left before losing Green check not claimed: 7-3 is now 6-3 mislynch 5-3 after NK One mislyng before losing OK even with soup it's better to claim actually. | ||
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Town points: 1 Outside of his play, everybody is OK lynching him now. This indicates either a mislynch or a bus. So the question is: was LS' situation bad enough to warrant a bus ? With geript being killed and rayn hard pushing his lynch, maybe. 2 Seemed genuinely angry when being attacked D1. Defended himself without reading the thread, which is town indicative; scum wouldn't do a mistake like that I think. Posts like these are both genuine and indicative of not reading the thread properly: + Show Spoiler + On September 15 2015 21:33 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread. On September 15 2015 21:37 LightningStrike wrote: Also people that tend push are generally are mafia when I'm given my history. I never even played with rels before that could the most true thing of the rule of LS Town which if a new player who never played with me before tries to push me chances are they are mafia looking for a easy lynch. I had this happen time and time again so(shrugs). On September 15 2015 21:43 LightningStrike wrote: Remeber when I said I need to read the thread more carefully? Ya that exactly what happen I saw that you had me in a list but you were voting Shining. Damdred the last he was mafia he called me out when I was town very early in Gaiden 1 so I still having a little pause for now on him. On September 15 2015 22:02 LightningStrike wrote: BTW that was rude to say GTFO regardless of your alignment people might actually rage quit regardless of their alignment if you say mean stuff towards them. Mafia points: In spoiler rayn' and geript' post against LS, which I will merge with my own points below. + Show Spoiler + On September 17 2015 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: LS i believe is mafia for several reasons. His opening. Geript is definiteky right about his meta. Also see the next point. I talked about this earlier. LS has really hard time lying as mafia. Here he does things that are scummy when not explained. When people ask him to ezplain, instead of laying out his thought process he takes a re-route and talks about something distantly related to the matter (see for example the GB stuff - that jhas nothing to do with what geript said because gb is NEVER a town leader even when he is "leading"). Also see the part where i ask his grail vote. Sorry for bad explanation. I am on phone and posting on phone is shit. On September 17 2015 04:53 geript wrote: LS. I think the meta thing re: questioning your martry claim without having a clear thought/reason/explanation/idea why not still feels very accurate. Another thing that in looking at his filter that really bugs me is the "people that tend to push me genearlly are mafia." I don't think that's actually true. In my experience, usually the first few pushes on him tend to come from town; but I don't think him being wrong on it is damning in and of itself as it could just be a difference in perception. The grail vote is a little odd but eh. A specific thing that bugs me is I'm not seeing him related games to current status. IE he's bringing up games, but it's not really as a marker point relating to the current state. The closest thing is when we were on a scum team in JOAT, but that's not really relational to the game states etc but commentary on how he could see something. Not sure I am explaining that one well. 1 My initial point, which is still not properly explained (because it cannot be explained): rayn explained why martyr not claiming is bad. LS was against this martyr plan because he didn't read the OP. Whatever, this is not scum indicative. But instead explaining why rayn's plan was bad, he asked him a question rayn had answered 3 minutes ago and left the thread. + Show Spoiler + On September 15 2015 16:56 Rels wrote: Fucking seriously. rayn posts this explaining why martyr not claiming is a bad idea: Then LS post this 3 minutes later: @LS did you read rayn post (the first quote in this post) before asking a question ? 2 LS has trouble explaining himself, and always answers something that doesn't answer the question. It could be indicative of scum refusing to commit an his answers. I'm talking about posts like that: + Show Spoiler + On September 15 2015 23:53 LightningStrike wrote: I was asking her if I am capable posting some of the posts as mafia. I meant to add if so which posts and I can explain my thought my process on the post. On September 17 2015 05:39 LightningStrike wrote: I didn't assume Damdred is town is Angel saves work if the people don't get soup killed? On September 18 2015 06:55 LightningStrike wrote: When I said look at his filter I meant about the timing of his posts about me and correlation of me being a hot topic at that time. About his responses to Rels and you: It's okay nothing to spectacular about it. Also I think Vivax might be our best grail vote since hs is the unCCed Martyr and that role seems way antitown I doubt mafia would waste their KP to soup kill a Martyr. ##HolyGrailUnvote ##HolyGrailVote:Vivax 3 geript's meta read, which I suppose is true, and is definitely sincere since geript was killed. + Show Spoiler + On September 17 2015 04:53 geript wrote: LS. I think the meta thing re: questioning your martry claim without having a clear thought/reason/explanation/idea why not still feels very accurate. Another thing that in looking at his filter that really bugs me is the "people that tend to push me genearlly are mafia." I don't think that's actually true. In my experience, usually the first few pushes on him tend to come from town; but I don't think him being wrong on it is damning in and of itself as it could just be a difference in perception. The grail vote is a little odd but eh. A specific thing that bugs me is I'm not seeing him related games to current status. IE he's bringing up games, but it's not really as a marker point relating to the current state. The closest thing is when we were on a scum team in JOAT, but that's not really relational to the game states etc but commentary on how he could see something. Not sure I am explaining that one well. Conclusion Maybe scum. Voting him atm, but the unanimity of his lynch bothers me. | ||
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On September 20 2015 18:06 Rels wrote: BM I agree Damdred I would lynch if there was not this check thing rayn WTF ?? Vivax I would really like your reasons for scumreading rayn. | ||
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- he thought I may be scum for scumreading him - he thought geript was scum based on geript giving a false meta read from his point of view - he analyzed TT's filter based on TT' LS read's progression - he gave a read on Dandel based on Dandel's reaction about LS being a hot topic Maybe someone who has played with both town and mafia LS can tell me if it is alignement indicative ? | ||
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On September 20 2015 18:50 Vivax wrote: He had a strong start on D1 but now he's not really trying to get a more complete view of the game and imo he's content with letting us slide into mislynches (I am leaning towards LS town for some reason). he went to Stockholm and it's weekend now. Plus the day ends on Monday night. So we'll see what he does on Monday | ||
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Town points 1 Tone. BM seem to be able to post freely, and this is town indicative. Mafia points In spoiler Vivax' case against BM. I will take one point from his case. + Show Spoiler + On September 17 2015 22:52 Vivax wrote: Rapid fire posting doesn't make BM town. I don't find his reasoning for talking about my reads over rayn's satisfying. Point being he shouldn't have any reason to compare his reads to mine when I'm confirmed town and turn a blind eye towards rayn like he did. While I'm writing this I'm also suspicious of rayn for the way the two of them haven't been particularly hands-on towards each other. I'm going to pick apart a few of his posts: "Buddying" is something you do when you try to pocket a townie, scum don't need to buddy each other. BM should know that. This post has pretty much contrary opinion to what me and Rayn said about Rels and TT and ends with him wanting to "consolidate" on LS for unmentioned reasons. Here rayn talked against his reads and notice how BM's reads shift towards thinking that Rels and TT might be town. Rayn agrees with FF being mafia. Also interesting wording implying that rayn and me aren't part of that buddy buddy circlejerk when BM is townreading all of us. Kinda minor point but seems like reasoning he just slapped in there. No mention of LS he was willing to consolidate on (2 minutes later he softens that scumread). I have no idea why rayn TRs him. Here BM reaches the point of zero scumreads: So he rereads to find something: And finds something that suddenly makes Rels town... When it has been posted SIX HOURS before he scumread him for the buddy buddy and the list post. Proof: + Show Spoiler + On September 15 2015 17:20 Rels wrote: OK let's bring back this little thing. The useful list of useless people The Shining HTS LS fidei Dandel Ion If one person is still in this list at deadline I'll push him hard His post at page 15: On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote: I don't understand you. You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan. And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this: Then you gtfo. I think you're mafia. On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote: you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar. I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote: ok Rels is town ~circa page 15 So yeah, BM is bullshittin 1 Vivax's good point in the case: when first posting and catching up with the thread, we had 4 people more or less forming an initial town circle: TT, rayn, Vivax and I. BM tried to break the circle by mentioning: - TT and I were buddying (which, if we're both mafia, is not even the right term) - saying Vivax's reads were wrong (about TT and I town) - not mentioning that rayn's reads were wrong, even though they matched Vivax' Then, as soon as rayn told him I probably was not mafia, he dropped his scumreads. So what I'm seeing here is BM buddying rayn by: 1. saying Vivax' reads are wrong instead of rayn's, even though they are the same 2. dropping his reads as soon as rayn talks to him 2 BM didn't participate in the check plan (rayn's plan about town deciding the check target). This plan is bad for mafia, so him not participating or mentionning the plan is scum indicative. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2015 18:40 Rels wrote: Now that plan of directing the cop check is really bad for the mafia and really good for town. So everybody that participated in it will have town points: Maybe the last voters get less points, as at this point it was pretty clear Damdred would be checked though. But they still participated on something that is bad for mafia, which would be unnatural if they were mafia. 3 BM's first post in D2 was him scumreading and voting Damdred. What's bad about it is that the town sentiment about Damdred D1 was that we would be waiting for the check to happen to decide on him. I don't understand him immediately jumping on Damdred, before everybody had a chance to post. Now he has switched to LS, being the last person to sheep the town sentiment. Maybe this is indicative of a scum bus if LS is mafia. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote: Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together ##Vote Damdred On September 20 2015 12:39 Bill Murray wrote: I changed my vote to LS Conclusion Maybe scum. The only thing keeping me scumreading him 100% is his tone. So: I want someone who has played with him before to tell me if he is capable of having this "I don't care here is my thoughts" tone if he is mafia. | ||
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On September 19 2015 19:08 Rels wrote: WTF Damdred being suspicious is EXACTLY why he has been checked tonight Now Shining or geript could have been the inquisitor But here is a fucking high % Damdred is confirmed town. So why are you voting him ? BM still waiting for an answer to that | ||
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If would also like your reasons for switching to LS Are you just sheeping rayn ? | ||
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- sheeping the vote sentiment: being one of the last voters on both the Dandel train and the Damdred check vote, now sheeping a vote on LS. - not doing much scumhunting, just poping in the thread from time to time to discuss stuff So nothing strong. Now I'm really waiting HTS and Vivax to tell me what they think of him 'cause they apparently can read the guy easily. @FF: did Vivax or HTS correctly read you as mafia before ? If yes it means their townread on you can be believed. | ||
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On September 20 2015 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you townread James for saying LS makes sense when nothing LS says basically makes sense? - Ask LS questions: - He answers to something unrelated to the question - Ask LS who is mafia: - He says Damdred - Ask LS who is other mafia: - He says shining might have been -Ask LS why Damdred is his strongest scumread if there is no red check on him (which would prolly make him town): - he says shining might have been the cop.. Vivax don't be stupid here now. There is absolutely no way i am mafia and kill geript when he basically has my back 100% in this game. Especially when he is scumreading LS. LS is scum, that is the easiest explanation because he is not even trying to scumhunt, and geript got shot. That is a fact. Damdred might be mafia assuming people in this game do not fucking listen to me and do shit that they are not supposed to do. This is a claim game, when is time to claim. This is also a game where people are supposed to do what they are told to, because of no flips, and mafia getting the night kill roles. The only role that can claim is dead, noone is gonna save themselves by claiming. Mafia knows geript's role and If someone claims it is not to be trusted. Noone should counter-claim if the lynch target is claiming. Period. James is probably scum aswell, i am unsure about the third. I kinda think Damdred is not mafia. BM is probably town, Vivax is town, Rels is... meh.. i don't fucking know, if he had not 14 pages of filter i would probably lynch him for the reasons i have laid out. Tictock is another meh... he says stuff that doesn't make any sense. Tictock what happens if we lynch LS here and he is town? Your dumb post about the numbers makes no fucking sense at all. I think fidei can be mafia actually, if Damdred is not. I liked his first post but he has really been inactive since. And I didn't like his "inquisitor shouldn't claim" post. | ||
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On September 20 2015 20:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: If anything you look the most terrible from the lynch. Yeah Dandel's lynch was 100% my fault. But read my reasons before attacking me; Dandel played super badly, apparently in purpose because he got this role. | ||
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On September 20 2015 20:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: The thing is we are NOT lynching Damdred if there is not a red check on him. 100%. no shit that what I've been saying since the start of the day | ||
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I know how you play. I know Dandel refusing to explain his two weird reads would have made you lynch him | ||
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