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On September 14 2015 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why are we confirming something?  you're confirming my night kills. | ||
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On September 15 2015 06:36 Palmar wrote: guys I didn't get a role pm, what do? Step 1: Buy a duck. Step 2: Buy 3 lbs of cream cheese. Step 3: ????????????? Step 4: Profit. | ||
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On September 15 2015 06:50 Wile E. Coyote wrote: No one on tl mafia should know who I am but slam. I Have not played here much anyway but I know the site/rules/format etc. if you had to compare yourself to a duck or a wet blanket, which are you closer to? | ||
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On September 15 2015 06:52 Cephiro wrote: Logic: I don't want people to go around claiming VT -> I'm Mafia. Brilliant scumhunting Koshi, I'd applaud you for that one if my other hand wasn't occupied by being in my face right now. naw mang it's cuzza dis stuff: On September 15 2015 06:41 Cephiro wrote: I feel super motivated to scumhunt after reading the intro, thus I shall. if youz tryna be sersss then super awkward entrance, if youz tryna be sarcastic, then not funny. plus whinyness laterz | ||
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On September 15 2015 06:53 Wile E. Coyote wrote: I feel like a wet blanket right now because I have a bad cold and I think my blanket might even be wet. you should try an electric blanket. my wife says they work wonders; i, however, can't be bothered to use one cuz i got dis thing where if my feet get hot then i get super irritable. pretty shitty. | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:01 Koshi wrote: Here am I thinking I am bringing the genius back. the tv show? | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:14 Cephiro wrote: @Military, because I'm a reserve officer. then why so melodramatic instead of proportional response? ![[image loading]](http://media.giphy.com/media/2t9sDPrlvFpdK/giphy.gif) | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:16 Palmar wrote: I have inside information that marv is probably away tonight. #mafiaqtlyfe | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: :D it seems someone doesn't know my d1 meta ayeeeEEE imma have so much fun n0w ![[image loading]](http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/754/472/dd3.jpg) | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:26 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm going to note this real quick in my own filter. :D then there's the part where you say why you think that post is significant. you should do that part. | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:38 Koshi wrote: imo geript is likely town. I don't see the point in being this mehish as mafia. He can do better. Solid read. #Koshi4MVP guy is stealing my gifs first, now he stealing my hashtags. fucking thief. #townlyfe | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:31 ritoky wrote: then there's the part where you say why you think that post is significant. you should do that part. | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:  it was for selfish reasons. when he scum reads me down the line for posting stuff i quote that and be like: "HAH B**CH! I'M JUST DOING WHAT YOU SAID!!!1!!1!!!11!!!" why are you afraid of and planning for people to scum read you down the line? | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: nope not afraid. u don't know my d1 meta either.  i just want it to be like a: "hah can't say anything n0w because you said it" moment.don't like how you keep referencing day 1 meta like it is some get out of jail free card for you. don't like planning a reaction to a future scum read because it indicates there's something to scum read you for. scum lean. | ||
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On September 15 2015 08:04 justanothertownie wrote: We had this discussion countless times. I literally never did this as mafia or as town. potentially mafia for thinking he can talk sense into koshi | ||
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On September 15 2015 08:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would insist. It's like how the game works. ^ | ||
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On September 15 2015 08:27 justanothertownie wrote: Sometimes geript just says stupid stuff or has weird opinions noone else shares. It's the sad truth even though the argument looks good on paper. Ritoky also belongs in the list with Palmar/geript/you. Forgot him. ![[image loading]](http://orig13.deviantart.net/045c/f/2014/038/c/7/notice_me_senpai__by_derpyluv123-d75gbgk.png) | ||
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On September 15 2015 08:39 justanothertownie wrote: There is no help. You won't be cured :D Is it.....*gulp* Is it terminal? ![[image loading]](http://recentlyheard.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/holding-back-tears-gif.gif) | ||
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On September 15 2015 08:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: btw, rayn is scummy for assuming things about me. i think lynching him should be a fine start to this game. Didn't you just like half of a town read on him? Wat? | ||
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On September 15 2015 08:47 Koshi wrote: I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life. ![[image loading]](https://loveandlightportal.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/cover-jim_warren.jpg?w=494&h=363) ![[image loading]](http://img.wikinut.com/img/gbtdi_.dyhsm6vai/jpeg/724x5000/hold-me.jpeg) | ||
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On September 15 2015 08:52 Cephiro wrote: Koshi & Ritoky, do you firmly believe in your union, or does either of you have doubts that your partner might let you down? ![[image loading]](http://www.jgllaw.com/sites/default/files/nov05-Sleeping-Beauty-prenup350.png) | ||
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Is rayn town? | ||
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On September 15 2015 09:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: Come ride my emotional roller coaster. I will take you to places you have never seen before.I still have to write up that Part 2 of Crime & Punishment. I also want to hear ritoky's existential take on Waiting for Godot. You won't hear an existential take on Waiting for Godot from me because I do not subscribe to existentialism. Sorry there m8. Although I did see Waiting for Godot on Broadway when I was in NYC a couple years back, it is a wonderful play; probably one of the top 5 I have ever seen which is a large compliment considering my closet obsession is theater. I also wrote a paper on it in college. If I can recall the paper correctly it had something to do with the the crippling fear of the unknown, the cold war, and acceptance of the finality of things inspiring growth. | ||
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On September 15 2015 10:09 MoosyDoosy wrote: That actually sounds about what I took from the book. (psst, that also has close ties to existentialism) Not really, finality inspiring growth, particularly moral growth is more of a conclusion; whereas existentialism wants to use it as a premise for a worldview imo. But it's a pointless discussion that always ends up at the same core disagreement and isn't relevant to finding scum. | ||
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On September 15 2015 10:12 Koshi wrote: JAT Palmar and Onegu are mafia. 99% on JAT 85% on Palmar 75% on Onegu But I feel strong about the possibility. Are they not 100%s because mr. waffle has not been given ample time to underwhelm you? Or is it cuz you're capable of being wrong?  | ||
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On September 15 2015 10:18 MoosyDoosy wrote: If I heard more from Coyote / JAT / Onegu / Koshi, I would feel pretty confident about my lynch choice here. Pretty sure koshi is like....largest filter in game brochacho. | ||
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On September 15 2015 10:27 Damdred wrote: Koshi is really town here like id be impressed if this is scum game koshi. Geript has a few posts that give me a small amount of pause that he could potentially be town like his moosey read is something that he would do when he's town. But he just is lacking some form of curiosity he might has here. That being said that one read on moosey really has me doubting my scum read currently. It just looks so towny of him to do. The more I think about it the more I want to town read him and I defdinately don't want to lynch him now... so who's scum? | ||
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On September 15 2015 10:36 MoosyDoosy wrote: Damdred is saying it's townie of geript to make that kind of read. He's not making a statement on my alignment in that post m8. o, rip me. i misread the 2nd part thinking it was talking about geript's read making him doubt a read on you. | ||
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On September 15 2015 10:48 Damdred wrote: I would think someone in the jat, waffle, oneg type region. Or at least id be satisfied lynching into that group right at this moment even though two are somewhat lurkers not a very inspired list. | ||
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On September 15 2015 10:46 Damdred wrote: I'm pretty sure that ceph is town in this situation. His initial posts up till now just seem like someone who is trying to figure things out. While he does ogo slightly over board in the discourse with koshi I think he comes out looking pretty good and seems to be only looking for scum. And when pressed he does seem to have some form of thoughts about what's going on which is a good point for him. He also seems to have decent follow up and tries to catch people by getting them in discourse if that makes sense. At one point he questioned me because he thought I was implying one thing when I wasn't. The usual scum mindset would be push this and see where it goes instead ceph wanted me to explain myself and was able to somewhat cone to an understanding. That also felt towny. Moosy, how do you feel about this read? | ||
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On September 15 2015 10:56 Damdred wrote: Your right it is I have more town than scum reads and null reads. Jat is the closest thing to a scum read currently but I'm still parsing that and trying to figure out how to explain it meh. But yeah who then am I missing rit that you want to lymch As of right now I would probably just sheep koshi. Though rayn asked a lot of technicalities and questions leading nowhere the past couple pages so I am less hot on him. But largest filter so policy. | ||
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On September 15 2015 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'll be honest with you, when marv says i am town then i am town so there is that. whether or not you like it. I'll be honest with you, when damd says i am town then i am town so there is that. whether or not you like it. | ||
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On September 15 2015 11:01 MoosyDoosy wrote: I understand the last part but I don't particularly like the rest. I'll keep it in mind though. Did it impact your read on damdred at all? | ||
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On September 15 2015 11:09 geript wrote: No the initial read was in regards to his opener. On different things really am highly interested in this explanation | ||
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back in a game called down under 2, palmar made some post. i made a shitty joke to him, he snap called me mafia for it, pushed it really hard over the joke, was convinced i was mafia, no1 else did, i shot him during n1, i then won the game. i think that was the last time we played together or one before last. it's the last one i remember at least. so this game i wanted to target palmar with another shitty joke at the opener to see how he reacted in regards to my alignment. he joked back, which is NAI in and of itself, but he also pushed no1 for their alignment imo; which did not feel like palmar town especially early. isn't he like super ego about his ability to call people off their openers? no real efforts made on his part. then he did some shit that made me doubt the scum lean i was getting from him so i was content to put it aside for now; but dis list is no bueno imo: On September 15 2015 20:44 Palmar wrote: These people are on my "do not lynch list" rayn koshi (although I'm do not believe he exists as a corporeal entity) cephiro moosy damdy with the bottom two being slightly less firmly in there. This means there's mafia in onegu marv warwaffle ritoky jat wile geript Note that I generally hand out townreads relatively freely on day 1 so I might be wrong on like 1 guy or something. like really no bueno. | ||
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On September 15 2015 21:48 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Lol? thats not a cooperative answer to me ryan its basically telling me im wasting time asking it without givng me a snigle answer . It was also posted in response to my "no one answered my question I didnt acualy care" so this was way after the fact. Anyway im gonna be pro town and not waste anymore time on this garbage. Its a distraction and then didn't do it. you've just been defensive and going about things in an obtuse way that i don't think has even gotten close to a compelling reason for anyone to be mafia. | ||
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On September 16 2015 04:58 Wile E. Coyote wrote: I was talking specifically about one thing and I dont think I went back to it. That does not make me mafia or town I go back on my word all the time just not intentionally this game will take your soul. What do we do with no posters around here like waffles? and the lynch votes tomorrow right? It's less about going back on words, and more about "hey i am gonna move on and find scum" and then you haven't called any1 mafia or given any legitimate reasons since. | ||
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On September 16 2015 05:03 Koshi wrote: ITT: Palmar trying to buddy marv. Still he got to keep him at a distance because he already gave out too many townreads. not surprising considering how close their lists were when they made them, was more surprised that 1 of them didn't try to touch the other's butt sooner. | ||
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On September 16 2015 05:05 Wile E. Coyote wrote: i have called 3/4 people scummy. How many have you called? its not a competition but your calling me out so... they were so relevant that i didn't even remember them. plus i think none of them came after you saying you were gonna do town things. | ||
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moosy - i don't get over small comments like the one he made early. he was pre-emptively planning a response to being scum read. i.e. there's a reason to scum read him and he expected it to come. kept saying day1 meta as a defense comments too. wile - i will do town things -> not do town things. defensive as fuk. playing up the smurf and dunno how things go around here card a bit too much. palmar - just explained. opener + extra bad list....mostly his never lynch zone, dunno why 3 of the people are in there. damdred - passive voice, LHF reads, playing peacemaker, he did "it" twice (it's not n1 yet so my 100% meta read on him isn't fully charged, but I am like 70% on him being mafia atm) JAT - cuz koochi says so. | ||
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On September 16 2015 05:32 Koshi wrote: Palmar and JAT are mafia. I don't know who is the last one. I think Damdred read is farfetched. I feel he did more tha njust keep the peace, I don't do tonereads. The mammal has reasons to be town as well. Wile is new and lynchbait I think, I don't know if all his "I am sick" I am new" sentences make him mafia. i literally have i 100% accuracy damdred read from n1 on, so i am gonna go with me over you on that 1 | ||
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On September 16 2015 05:35 justanothertownie wrote: Depends if people continue to call me mafia for no reason I guess. I will just quote the post I made before the game started if that is the case. what if everyone gets together, holds hands, sings kumbaya, and agrees to not call you mafia for say.... 3 hours? can you do some stuff and tell us who the mafia is then? k thanks go do that now bai. | ||
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On September 16 2015 06:00 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, you absolutely have a choice. You can choose not to be terrible and lynch someone who you don't have any reason to scumread and who will become easy to read as the game progresses. But if you decide to be retarded I won't stop you from doing it because I am really sick of this shit happening again after gaiden 2. i mean, you could just tell me who the mafia is and why in a concise manner.....then i could read you off that and if i am wrong you can call me an idiot. that's like....how the game werx brah to me your play has been this: - complaining - tearing down others' arguments - slightly defending yourself - complaining - calling koshi dumb - asking questions and not drawing conclusions that's not town read material, that's not even give him a free pass for a day material. that's consider lynching material. so, do something if you're town rather than let your ego get in the way. | ||
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On September 16 2015 06:04 geript wrote: So I go to interview w/ HR person... 30 minutes. She sends me across the street to interview with director of nursing... 1 hour... She sends me back to HR person. Hat person says she forgot job was already filled but doesn't think the person would work out. Offers me weekend only job in a third place or PRN where I applied. What the fox? At least it's work but Fml. are working as a murse? orderly? or? | ||
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On September 16 2015 06:06 justanothertownie wrote: That's what you will get for now though. I couldn't care less if you like it or not. Then sub out of the game if you don't want to play. | ||
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On September 16 2015 06:13 geript wrote: I'm a nurse. I'm just not sure to be excited about temporary work, frustrated with the insane process or mad about being interviewed twice about a job that isn't even open. I'm a murse too, is there low job demand around you? I am from Seattle and there's huge nurse demand here. Glad you got at least something. | ||
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On September 16 2015 06:12 justanothertownie wrote: Oh, I will play. I will make clear who I think is the best lynch before deadline/will sheep who I think has a good case on someone. But I will not put in extra effort because people randomly decide I have to be mafia. You shouldn't take my advice to you so lightly. | ||
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On September 16 2015 06:38 geript wrote: No one wants to hire recent grads. That combined with the fact I interview poorly (always have) has made things tough. I was lucky enough to go from where I was interning straight into the job I was basically already doing. But then again I enjoy working in the ER, which most people don't. | ||
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On September 16 2015 12:19 Damdred wrote: War has played 2 games I know this and hasn't played as mafia before. I know things you should really let him answer, but i guess that's asking too much since apparently 1 post per 24 hrs is his limit. | ||
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On September 16 2015 12:41 TheWarWaffle wrote: My day 1 lynch pool consist of MoosyDoosy, geript, or Wile E, Coyote. I remain open to being convinced that these are bad choices/better d1 lynch targets. I would like you to take those 3 players, go through their filters, and pick out 1 or 2 quotes for each that are the most scummy for them. If you want to provide explanations along with the quotes that is fine, but I would like to see what specifically about each of them you find scummy. | ||
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On September 16 2015 14:59 TheWarWaffle wrote: Re-evaluating my lynch targets. MoosyDoosy is still in there because everything he says irks me. I have a feeling that the other two mafia are hiding in plain sight, with rayn being a probably godfather if MoosyDoosy flips mafia. Maybe I'm reading too far into the whole obstinate vote thing. I don't like Wile E. Coyote for a lynch target anymore after re-reading his filter. geript is still suspicious but I'm starting to think it's just geript at this point. you re-read their filters and didn't do the quotes thing????????????? | ||
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On September 16 2015 14:59 TheWarWaffle wrote: Re-evaluating my lynch targets. MoosyDoosy is still in there because everything he says irks me. I have a feeling that the other two mafia are hiding in plain sight, with rayn being a probably godfather if MoosyDoosy flips mafia. Maybe I'm reading too far into the whole obstinate vote thing. I don't like Wile E. Coyote for a lynch target anymore after re-reading his filter. geript is still suspicious but I'm starting to think it's just geript at this point. stepping outside of the game and trying to give you advice here since you've been lynched on d1 in the past....like this is a bunch of random conjecture that isn't going to compel anyone to believe what you're believing or understand your thought process if you're town. Why is moosy mafia? What specific things irk you? Can you quote some of those things? What makes you think if moosy, then rayn? Explain that thought process or connection? Did it come from the thread? Where did it come from? What is the obstinate vote thing? What from Wile E. Coyote's filter made you re-evaluate on him? What made you move geript up in your scum list? Like, you gotta stop generalizing. I cannot read your mind and I have been doing my damndest to try and prompt you into giving specifics on your thought process here. Cuz I can see from past games you're quite apt to be ML'd. If you keep going with these generalized posts with 0 thought process, at best you're gonna be mafia that we default lynch or vigi shoot at some point and at worst you're going to be a lynch bait question mark for everyone all game. I just have no idea how you expect any1 to read you town with what you're doing. | ||
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i kinda understand the thought behind moosy's read but not necessarily his justification or source. cuz there is a point for most players if you're mafia day 1 about to get lynched where you have to switch to pandering/defense/buying votes mode and out of obstinate antagonistic dick mode. jat didn't switch out of being obstinate when under legitimate lynch pressure which trends slightly toward town, but i doubt it is outside of his capabilities as mafia so it really isn't an indicator in the slightest. | ||
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On September 16 2015 18:32 Wile E. Coyote wrote: How do you argue about stupid shit like this and wonder why half the game thinks your mafia. Its still meta yes I could read into it more and I still may but I told you im ignoring meta. when are you gonna do these pro town things you said you were gonna do? like you've pretty much been shit fighting over semantics for a good while now and you wanna sheep someone. still waiting for you to deliver on that promise. | ||
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On September 16 2015 18:41 Wile E. Coyote wrote: I never acualy said I would do pro town things. I said me shutting up about a subject was pro town. Ill do what I wanna do on my own scedule So you're saying you're not doing pro-town things? Then maybe you should be lynched. (Look I can shitfight over semantics too! And it is equally as worthless as you have been thus far) Keep telling yourself that though, it won't get you very far. | ||
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On September 16 2015 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: This WarWaffle guy is hilarious and probably town. ????????????????????????????????????????? | ||
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pretty sure i have yet to read one. | ||
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On September 17 2015 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cephiro is mafia because when he is town he tries to find mafia, when he is mafia he is more interested in arguing why he isn't mafia and reading obvious townies town. | ||
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On September 17 2015 04:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: really? I'm guessing that rayn's argument on me was super convincing then. oh wow, you're so cool antagonizing people when under lynch pressure. you make my panties wet. who's mafia? and an even better question, is mafia voting on you? who is the mafia voting on you? | ||
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On September 17 2015 04:52 Cephiro wrote: @rayn: It's more about me being curious why he is not currently doing that at he moment (which I'm also still waiting an answer on.) Since the answer could very well tilt my read on him a fair bit. I am certainly implying there is a possibility I might not vote for him in such a scenario, but I'd like to wait until he replies before I might elaborate on that further. For now I'd still lynch him over me, due to the reason I pointed out which you also quoted me for. @ritoky: rayn is very likely town, I have reasons to lean town on Onegu, I'm very confident at least one of Koshi / ritoky(you) is town. I currently believe it's also very likely Moosy is town. The remainder consist of people whom I'd either see as possible scum, hesitant to townread, or unsure / need more content to lean towards a way or another. Currently writing up about marv. Even if it's not going to get him lynched today, nor might it be the best content, I want to be transparent and share the things about his play that make me suspicious of him at the moment. why onegu? | ||
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On September 17 2015 04:58 geript wrote: I'd point out that in the big game where I tracked Damdred, there were lots of people who didn't think it was so. I forget who else was in that game but I think Marv and Palmar were in it. Both of whom I think disagreed w/ me on damdred then too. Me disagreeing on a read with Marv/other strong town reads doesn't make me mafia. I'm more than happy to push what I think is right as town even if I accede to follow their lead on lynches lacking other information. you got enough time to explain to me why JAT is mafia? | ||
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On September 17 2015 05:07 geript wrote: I can't read jat worth a fuck. so i don't even know why he would be mafia. okay, what about the question i just asked rayn. both the top 2 wagons come in and vote on coyote, say anything about their alignments? | ||
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On September 17 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: i don't know what the vote count is but if you are referring to moosydoosy/cephiro i am pretty sure i said i think both of them are scum atm. On September 17 2015 04:57 deconduo wrote: Day 1 Votecount Cephiro (4): MoosyDoosy (3): raynpelikoneet, Wile E. Coyote, justanothertownie (2): Wile E. Coyote (2): MoosyDoosy, Cephiro Onegu (1): Palmar Palmar (0): marvellosity (0): Damdred (0): geript (0): Not Voting (1): ritoky Voting ends in at 21:30 GMT (+00:00). | ||
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On September 17 2015 05:26 Damdred wrote: Yo add onto this there's this moment that just happened. He was obviously catching up in thread and he had this ah ha moment when he thought he caught moosey. It just seemed so legitimate and honest and such a town reaction. Pretty sure rayns right on him. But I think we lynch jat why jat? | ||
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like literally the only read on onegu in the entire game is cephiro having a slight town read on him and he didn't even explain it.....that shit sketches me out. 78 pages no reads on the guy. | ||
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On September 17 2015 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: i tbh don't care if i die eh then why the fuck even sign up if you're not going to try to win as either alignment? like srsly this shit is at least warn worthy imo. | ||
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On September 17 2015 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: ritoky i am pretty sure Onegu lynch here is a crapshoot when we have ACTUAL scumreads. and it's going to get better than a crapshoot later? | ||
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On September 17 2015 06:03 Cephiro wrote: I have better things to do than explaining why I'm leaning town on Onegu at this point. I'd prefer him not lynched today, it doesn't look like it's going to happen that easily either. Instead of focusing on why I think onegu is town, you should be focusing on figuring out who you want to consolidate the lynch on. I didn't give reasoning for saying I think one of Koshi/you are town either, same with Moosy, but you don't seem to be care about that at all. Just forget nitpicking for now and focus on the relevant stuff. If you want reasons for my townreads, I'll give them later when they're relevant as I said I'd do with my opinion on marv (unless you all actually end up lynching me, which would be quite sad.) because i might want to consolidate on onegu. because i can see reasons for reading the other people on your list town even if they are shitty. i see no reason to read onegu town and quite frankly no1 else in the thread does either. so yeah the details matter to me. | ||
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On September 17 2015 06:15 Palmar wrote: I genuinely do not think moosy is mafia. Onegu or JAT are better options i kinda think this too, but i also don't know if even if moosy is town he is ever going to improve from being lynch bait. | ||
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On September 17 2015 06:19 marvellosity wrote: hihi, just got home not sure i have time to catchup, is there stuff i should really be looking at? lynch moosy, lynch jat, shennanie onto onegu who no1 has a read on that's pretty much the current state of the thread. with geript being a distant option. | ||
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On September 17 2015 06:21 marvellosity wrote: has Wile redeemed himself then? question is for anyone he isn't a town read for me, but he did some catchup stuff as he read the thread that made me reluctant enough to lynch him. | ||
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On September 17 2015 06:45 Damdred wrote: Nobody likes sheeping me. IDK why I'm never sheepable you wouldn't sheep me onto onegu either. pot -> kettle. | ||
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On September 17 2015 07:01 Palmar wrote: I'm off. @ritoky what is your current read on me? you're not on the list above is my current read on you. | ||
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On September 17 2015 07:15 Damdred wrote: But you have a scum read on me and I'm not on the list i'll read your filter again at the end of the night and finalize my stance on your alignment. i am confident i can get a read on you with your current level of content, less on those other 4. | ||
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On September 18 2015 02:10 scott31337 wrote: So I still have a lot of reading to do in the thread - but I'm caught up from night 1 till now- (still have pages 20-70? to do) but let me at least post my thoughts - another swamped day of shit breaking - I was able to break free for a few to write this up. Palmar - normal townie Palmar from what I've seen so far raynpelikoneet - normal town rayn - posts his thoughts - goes after his scum he believes in (although wrong on MD) ritoky-townlean, getting information, asking related questions justanothertownie - he was gone for a bit, and looked worse day 1 - and I was thinking Moosy was townier at the time. but his night 1 has impressed me, although he's got that normal JAT chip on the shoulder-townlean Damdred-I'm thinking he's town, but has a lot of "not sure idk etc" - ? Koshi-feels like town Koshi - I welcome your return. marvellosity - just seems off, but I'm not sure how - others can read him better then I - null for now geript-another one who just seems off - quite a few reads are opposite of where I am right now - lower null Wile E. Coyote - Probably sicklucker for what JAT said, and SL never uses caps/looks like his style of writing. Defends Ceph - looks like he's trying to survive and not scumhunt - scumlearn Cephiro - survival seems to be his agenda, not finding scum - scumlean these are kinda LHF and thread sentiment reads; they are also kinda meh and unoriginal. can you explain the marv one? | ||
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On September 18 2015 06:38 Palmar wrote: you shot inactive trash that was always going to get lynched anyway. That's exactly how you play vig. it sucks to not know if he was mafia though, but I genuinely think it's quite likely. Just take a look at how super uninterested everyone was last night when I was trying to do something about him. even if he is likely or slightly likely mafia, better to play assuming he wasn't for the time being and that we are closer to lylo and need to hit. | ||
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On September 18 2015 06:41 justanothertownie wrote: Which is important why exactly? well first cuz we know rayn's alignment as well as mine, and second for vote logic in the future. | ||
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On September 18 2015 06:49 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Like I said yesterday its very stupid for mafia to vote a claimed vt. I would wager all the mafia were on the ceph wagon or you if your not mafia. Maybe in a straight 2 horse race on day 1 in a maf vs town wagon the mafia would consolidate, but on this site, recently in particular, mafia are way more likely to split and bus than play straightforward consolidation. | ||
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On September 18 2015 06:54 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Ritoky how do you feel about jat? Heres a fact for thought. If I really am found out is it not more likely for 3 people collectively to do so? When i soft threatened to shoot jat if he didn't improve he basically told me to get bent. I dunno if that is in his mafia wheelhouse, maybe it is but it was enough for me to not really want to vote him day 1. | ||
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On September 18 2015 06:59 Wile E. Coyote wrote: To go more into that its twenty minutes to vote. the count is 5-4 ceph/moosy i am voting moosy. All ceph wants to talk is how he wants people to switch there votes to me. This is stupid if hes mafia because I have like 1 vote, I can make the vote 6-3 if he pisses me off. Its a really stupid thing to do as mafia. I am confused, are you calling ceph mafia? | ||
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On September 18 2015 07:12 justanothertownie wrote: Ceph did not need to vote moosy - he DID vote for a counterwagon (myself). It wasn't clear who between me and moosy would get lynched until marv hammered in the last second. technically i hammered putting moosy at 4 first, but i get your point. i am talking about a point before this. maybe like an hour or so, when you were at maybe 1 or 2 votes. the lynch was between moosy and ceph for a good while; and when both came back they seemed uninterested in lynching the other which struck me as an odd play if either is mafia. | ||
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On September 18 2015 09:19 Wile E. Coyote wrote: ah im a watcher koshi did not move. Like im so obvious a powerole why do you think I was going on about killing vts only. Why would I visit you koshi your suspect as hell no one ever reads me town thats strongly for so little reasons. Why do you think I was questioning gerpits claim. is your role watcher? | ||
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On September 18 2015 10:05 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Also if theres a mafia as a mason then its not even a town role its a neutral one at best. Hard claim your role. | ||
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On September 18 2015 08:47 scott31337 wrote: I've sat here thinking if I should this or not or go for the push, but I just don't think I'll have the time with how work is. I'm hard claiming one shot tracker. I tracked Wile E Coyote to Koshi. Give reads. Explain your marv read in particular. You've provided 0 useful content since entering the game and made excuses and your predecessor wasn't much better. It is hard to judge you outside of your claim. | ||
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On September 18 2015 10:18 Koshi wrote: Yeah knowing that nobody of our powerroles got blocked chances are high there is a liar between the tracker/watcher/vigi. RIP wile. RIP You can always try to convince people scott is mafia I guess. I literally cannot be lying. There's no role that allows 2 kp for mafia, the only extra kp comes from vigi. No1 has cc'd and I called my shot. I am confirmed vigi. | ||
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On September 18 2015 10:49 Wile E. Coyote wrote: I explained this and yes I hard claimed Hard claim your role. | ||
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On September 18 2015 11:36 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Oh well I got all the roles to claim and how many uses they have mission accomplished. Gl hf So what you're saying was Onegu was a miss and you have 2 partners alive? Got it. ##vote: Wile Next time check the OP before you fake claim. | ||
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On September 18 2015 15:06 Damdred wrote: I don't get how you say there are def two partners still though. Meh hard choices hard choices Because if he was leaving only 1 person alive behind then psychologically he would feel less apt to make an "I'm satisfied dying after outing roles" post. There's not really much more to it than that. My daughter has the sniffles, so I will probably not be devoting time to this game tonight like I had planned. Oh well, #confirmedlyfe. | ||
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town vigigod: ritoky conf town unless sickest bus of all time: scott 96.31% town: koshi - if wile flips rb -> confirmed, if wile flips framer, etc -> reconsider 80% town: cephiro - return to thread -> under lynch pressure -> doesn't go for moosy, but goes for wile...not sure if capable of these next level strats. Scrubs: everyone else Derp: wile gotta figure out the scrub zone tomorrow after the circle jerk is over. | ||
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On September 18 2015 20:04 marvellosity wrote: do you think wile was ever likely to get lynched there? there was a lot of pushback against it. if you think your scumbuddy isn't going to get lynched, pushing/voting him (especially when you have zero thread sway) is v good strat. i agree with you that it is a very good strat. and was wile getting lynched? hm...probably not with a decent # of people town shielding him there, but it wasn't completely outside of the realm of shennanies. i don't know enough about cephiro to know if he is capable of that shit though is the thing. most people as mafia don't have the balls to make a high risk play like that. there aren't many people who play mafia who will do shit like i do where i ninja vote and basically claim mafia or where palmar calls for his team to shoot him in the night for cred. most people won't risk pushing a shennanie onto a partner 2 hrs from deadline d1 when there's easy alternatives. i am assuming ceph is most people cuz i know nothing about him otherwise. | ||
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On September 18 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote: think of him as a highly intelligent vet who likes making plays as either alignment and has been playing 4+ years. evidence for the above: TL Mafia database. Maybe I will go look into his previous games to try and inform myself more when I wake up later. | ||
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On September 18 2015 20:17 marvellosity wrote: we can lynch jat instead if you like *braces self* meh, if someone is mafia then someone is mafia. that game we mislynched you d2 as town while you were hard-defending the other LHF (Onegu)... LHF is often just LHF because they are scum to be fair, I was miller with a cop red check on me. i was fucked beyond belief, but yeah my reads were dumpster that game. | ||
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On September 18 2015 20:23 marvellosity wrote: you weren't checked that game if i remember? anyway my point wasn't about the quality of your reads or anything, more the nature of LHF. pretty sure koshi was the cop who red checked me n1? might not be remembering it right. eh, we'll see i guess. guy has like 72 hours or more to actually post relevant shit to get a read from since this day is basically autopilot and then me or koshi is probably dying in the night. for now i am just gonna stick to my read until i go look at a past mafia game of his and see if there's reason not to. | ||
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On September 18 2015 20:24 justanothertownie wrote: Your most important task is to figure out damdred because I am not able to lynch his scummy ass without you. yeah, i'll do it later today if my baby is capable of sleeping for an hour without coughing and whatnot. but will 100% do it before EoN. | ||
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On September 19 2015 03:56 Cephiro wrote: Not planning on getting modkilled, nor do I plan on getting lynched or NK'ed. In the unfortunate case that happens, I won't be flipping red anyway. ##vote Wile E. Coyote Still do think marv is a good lynch, but not in a hurry to do anything about it since we have "confirmed" scum to kill. I guess I'll post my thoughts on it during the night or later in the daycycle, depending on when I feel like it. (Or unless you people have a specific reason you'd want it any earlier, given that it's not currently very relevant.) Doubt mafia wants to kill me with my current level of activity, would make sense for them to keep me around to try and push a mislynch on me later. Someone was also asking about my scum play, whoever that was: I can do pretty much anything as scum (and town too). Bussing is more like a rule, with not bussing being the exception for me. At least when it comes to games where there are at least 3 mafia members. So while I won't mind if you read me favourably based on my voting and actions at the end of D1, you shouldn't think it has to make me town. On September 17 2015 06:03 Cephiro wrote: I have better things to do than explaining why I'm leaning town on Onegu at this point. I'd prefer him not lynched today, it doesn't look like it's going to happen that easily either. Instead of focusing on why I think onegu is town, you should be focusing on figuring out who you want to consolidate the lynch on. I didn't give reasoning for saying I think one of Koshi/you are town either, same with Moosy, but you don't seem to be care about that at all. Just forget nitpicking for now and focus on the relevant stuff. If you want reasons for my townreads, I'll give them later when they're relevant as I said I'd do with my opinion on marv (unless you all actually end up lynching me, which would be quite sad.) can you stop stalling and promising shit, but not delivering and just post your reads? there's only 10 people alive, 3 are confirmed town, 1 is confirmed mafia, and you don't have to read yourself. 6 isn't a monumental task worthy of stalling as much as you are. | ||
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On September 19 2015 05:33 Cephiro wrote: We lynch Wile, simple as that. Also I'd prefer to stay as a mislynch target for now, so I'm going to stay that way. You know I want to get marv lynched (tomorrow), that's more than enough for now. You'll get the reasoning in due time. I don't see why I should be around talking about irrelevant stuff meanwhile. First we deal with the matter at hand, and then we move onto the next thing on schedule. I've seen flailing about instead of going for the obvious thing that should be done more than I care to remember. because i have a high likelihood of dying in the night and won't be here when it is convenient for you. plus people who promise shit and don't deliver tend to be mafia. there's 0 way wile doesn't get lynched today so dunno what you're on about. the guy literally claimed mafia. just fucking post reads i can't read your mind. | ||
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Why is he mafia you might ask? Well let's go on a path of discovery: Tone: Prior to me pointing it out to him during the game, Damdred was typing in the passive voice and in a very appeasing manner. He is more apt to curry favor with strong players in the game as mafia or in the very least not act as a roadblock to the stronger players. In a sense, he is more pliable. As well as he has a trigger phrase for me when he is mafia, he used it twice. Usually he uses it more, so it might be coincidence or he may have finally figured it out and is trying to level it. Read progression: 2 reads matter to me here: 1) wile 2) onegu Both are first mentioned here: On September 15 2015 12:17 Damdred wrote: I have 4 people I want to lynch into right now. onegu waffle jat willie are the people I want to lynch into. 2 would be policy (oneg, waffle) out of those two I would go with waffle though. Jat and wil, wile wins out his last few posts have just hit my scum radar hard. His long list post says a lot without a good amount of actual solid conclusions and his posts on geript just feel off to a point. Its like pushing scum on someone and trying to dig up. like his last post just look at it just seems odd if he thinks geripts scum why would he care if he cares? Doesn't make any sense and just looks like scum trying to help slow push a wagon. This read post is also worth noting because this is not usually where Damdred starts as town. This list is basically the 3 afk/LHF at this point in the game + JAT. Those reads also were almost directly a reflection of the thread sentiment at the time the reads were given. This is not usually the type of starting point for town Damdred; he is more apt to have at least 1 read very different to thread sentiment (usually on me LOL) and he tends to let afks/LHF have chances to post at least a bit or he prods them to post before putting them in a lynch list. Now where do they go? On September 15 2015 14:26 Damdred wrote: This is a classic example of you trying to discredit someone. You don't tackle the argument at all but attack the person instead. And geript you are being an idiot, the game in question you kept trying to interact and wait on me to give reads and it never came really. Here in rife with things to talk about but you fail to talk at all. I just don't get it, on one hand I can see town geript being stupid like palmar. But I don't see town geript not caring enough to do anything else. Bah. Oh yeah, push that scum on wile baby, you're doing good. On September 15 2015 14:26 Damdred wrote: My pocket is big enough for you to sleep eat and vote in. wat? On September 16 2015 02:06 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure if I want to push Willie today or not at this point moosey. I think he's decently scummy and you've summed up some of the problems I have with him nicely. Bit I have to think on that a bit more. Gwript still somewhat troubles me some of the things he's come back with feel more towny than scummy today. I'm still leaning town on him. I know the interactions between jat and rayn were interesting to me though. Its a bit hard to explain but part of it is that jat felt a bit toned down and trying to get along during the discourse instead of his generally fillterless self. This is going to be impossible for me to push probably but maybe someone will listen to me. Besides that the post about jat finding wil scummy and instead of giving more thoughts on scummy thing aettles on talking about geript without a conclusion is interesting I suppose. Scum read declining, boner declining. On September 17 2015 02:32 Damdred wrote: Hi, I'm going to cheat and talk a small bit even though I'm under orders to shut up. 1) Wil is still a decent lynch, his content lacks a bit of drive to find scum rather focusing on other side things it feels like. I would lynch him. 2) I still think warwaffle is scum here. If you look at his other newb games he does say some smart things and fights back at points. He does afk a lot though anyway so that's a negative towards it but never this much. 3) I still don't really like JAT, while he does seem more involved it just seems like he's not doing much in the way of actually being useful in his normal way. Throws a lot of dirt before settling gibes up on scum reads because they seem unlun hable today. 4) I might just sheep Marv. but I'm here for some talki Soft deflecting wile, wanting to sheep, wait....where did onegu go? he hasn't posted anything...where did he go? On September 17 2015 05:21 Damdred wrote: Wile is actual off the table for lynch today maybe... I liked a feeling I got from him just now Scum read -> hesitate -> soft deflect -> town read conf mafia....oof on that progression. On September 17 2015 05:26 Damdred wrote: Yo add onto this there's this moment that just happened. He was obviously catching up in thread and he had this ah ha moment when he thought he caught moosey. It just seemed so legitimate and honest and such a town reaction. Pretty sure rayns right on him. But I think we lynch jat reason being, an a ha moment wile faked while playing catchup, pretty meh reason. but one damdred might make as town too. but where's onegu? On September 17 2015 06:02 Damdred wrote: Jats the best lynch probably he doesn't care it seems pushed nothing all day. onegu is a crapshoot at best. If we were doing policy we should of done waffle. let's lynch jat! suddenly onegu reappears! wait, let's not lynch him -> let's lynch this other guy? why? both were crapshoots, one could even say waffle was more of a crapshoot cuz he had a history of being ML'd on d1. and also that makes me want to bring up another point. damdred loves tone and meta on day 1, but he also likes looking into past games of new players he is playing with for the first time or at least asking about them. he doesn't give a shit about waffle's history of day 1 MLs here...town damdred probably considers this at some point during the game. lastly: On September 17 2015 06:48 Damdred wrote: Ritoky you wanted me to sheep you onto a total lurker vs someone your town reads generally think is scummy just fyi. Totally different situation. @Marv jat pushed me a little but dropped it until rayn started waffling because of my geript progression. And activity low today. I decide to yell at damdred for not wanting to go on onegu with me, and he yells at me for wanting to go for a crapshoot he was deflecting off....but 1 of his 2 lynch candidates was a crapshoot lurker as well (who also turned out to be blue). While I think the read on Wile could come from town Damdred, it was his read that pretty much eliminated Wile as a lynch target day 1. I also dislike the slow downgrading of Wile's lynch status prior to the "a ha" read. It is clear that he is falling further and further down damdred's lynch priority even before he makes that read and that he is soft pushing the lynch onto some1 else before he fully removes him from his lynchable pile. The onegu read is the really strange one for me. It makes 0 sense to me if damdred is town. The literal only way I can see it is if he somehow managed a blue read on Onegu but he never said shit about that even after I shot Onegu, so I doubt that's the read he had. 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Cephiro - Would not lynch tomorrow. Probably the person I think is the most town of the unconfirmed. People may not like my reason, but I went back and glanced through his previous games and I think this read is okay enough for now until he delivers some posts. You may not like it, but I made it in a previous game, no1 liked it, and it was dead right. Cephiro and Moosy are around tied as the 2 leading wagons with only a couple hours remaining. Both re-enter the thread, and both sincerely don't want the other lynched and instead both try to push the lynch onto confirmed mafia Wile. To me, this is so town indicative. Mafia on D1 at this point is moreso in survival mode than make a sick ass play mode. I think Cephiro is likely town. JAT - Wouldn't lynch for at least tomorrow. Was pushing Wile before the claims, was pushing Wile during the claims, was pushing Wile after the claims. There's something to be said for the guy trying the hardest while the thread is kinda dead being mafia...but I remember when I soft threatened to shoot him he basically told me to go fuck myself. He later admitted to not realizing I was softing (and me not dying or being rb'd in the night -> tinfoil) but it was a natural reaction to me which emanated from a place of town. The 1 thing he really needs to do is sit town and consolidate his thoughts into a single post. He has a 20 page filter than even someone who likes filter diving like me doesn't really wanna traverse. I would push him to consolidate tonight or tomorrow, but I wouldn't lynch him tomorrow at the very least. He is also very very unlikely to being with damdred. That leaves the lynch pool tmrw as geript, palmar, marv, and damdred (although damdred could be world of 1 more than the other 3) | ||
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Palmar - could be mafia cuz unremarkable. Like literally, usually he wows me with early reads...he didn't. I did some shit where I specifically interacted with him with my first post of the game making a shitty joke, cuz in down under 2 I did that, he basically wrecked my soul, then no1 believes him for some reason so I shot him n1 and then carried the game for mafia to the win. Like where were his sick early reads? Where is his sick wagon that is such truth it is undeniable? Where is my memory of shit he has done other than measure dicks? Marv - I honestly don't read much of what he types and consequently don't have much of a read. I had a mild town read on him all game cuz he basically ignored my existence until he was forced to. We tend to do that to eachother after previous games. His filter is something I might try to conquer before the change of phase but it is pretty huge and I don't wanna do it now. | ||
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On September 20 2015 17:28 scott31337 wrote: Marv - I honestly don't read much of what he types and consequently don't have much of a read. I had a mild town read on him all game cuz he basically ignored my existence until he was forced to. We tend to do that to eachother after previous games. His filter is something I might try to conquer before the change of phase but it is pretty huge and I don't wanna do it now. Marv plays well and he scares me right now with his play - he usually shows himself as town, and he does not done that this game. He scares me and I see it in your filter - but I know you are town and don't have an agenda. He's still #2 to me. Expand on this more if you have time before you die please. #2 scum or #2 town? Also what exactly do you mean as shows himself as town? Like what were you expecting him to do that he hasn't, and what reference point are you using? I guess what I am saying is I don't have much of a read so I am willing to listen and read and absorb. But yeah I should have like 2 hrs before the deadline where I can sit down and focus, unless there is something more pressing I will probably use that on marv's filter. | ||
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I was all like: bitch post your reads he was like: nah then i was like: do it asshole and he was like: nope, gonna stay in the lynchable pool, i am content here. who the fuck does that as mafia? that's like level 4 mafia if he is. | ||
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On September 20 2015 17:42 scott31337 wrote: I thought Damdred's reactions to my claim were reasonable - or were they Scumdred trying to throw us off? He did have that one post where he was like "damn, i shoulda just kept pushing him". That felt a little like "Hey guys, remember how I was pushing him before the claim made him slam dunk mafia? Give me my proper credit". But tbh 90% of my methods for reading damdred revolve around d1 and n1 and that didn't happen during that period of time so I defer to my other stuff. | ||
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On September 20 2015 17:46 scott31337 wrote: Cephiro is just shit town until proven otherwise - give it a day or two - Wish you would've shot him but can't waste our lives on should've. as opposed to coin-flip afk onegu? i am content with my shot, even though i kinda think it was a miss based on wile's "being content with outting roles" post. | ||
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On September 20 2015 17:49 scott31337 wrote: Geript - could be mafia because last game him and i were town bros from like day 1. we had the feels. he doesn't have the feels this game. also he had that one crazy tonal shift post where he has not been angry all game and then suddenly goes off on some1 then back to calm. could be trying to manufacture some of his town fire. Geript is a very good scum player and like JAT said - has some crazy dumbtells and maybe trying to play it off? WIFOM etc ? Nothing fucking sticks out. For me, when geript leaves a lasting impression on me he tends to be town. Like if I hate him or love him, he is probably town. If I nothing him, he is potentially mafia. This game I nothing him, so he is potentially mafia. | ||
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On September 20 2015 18:18 justanothertownie wrote: Mafia aren't idiots dude. Thanks for finally putting in the effort. I don't really see why you think we shouldn't lynch damdred even though you think he is more than likely mafia. I get that you say he might be with Onegu due to his weird read progression there but that is pretty speculative to me. We still have at least 1 mislynch left so we should just lynch who is the likeliest scum. Btw. what exactly do you want me to summarize or consolidate? I said where I stand in my big post. maybe i missed it, but i didn't remember at the time i was typing the state and details of your reads on non-confirmed people. | ||
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On September 20 2015 18:31 justanothertownie wrote: You might have wrote it somewhere but why can't he be mafia with marv? I have a hard time seeing a world where Palmar is mafia and marv town. damdred like to do this thing i like to do as mafia where you either completely ignore your partner or you give reads on your partner bus never really press them. he is doing that mostly with palmar and geript i think. | ||
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On September 20 2015 18:43 ritoky wrote: damdred like to do this thing i like to do as mafia where you either completely ignore your partner or you give reads on your partner bus never really press them. he is doing that mostly with palmar and geript i think. it's more complex than that but i am tired so that's it simplified. also palmar overjustified his read on damdred that was another thing | ||
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On September 20 2015 18:49 justanothertownie wrote: Hm, okay... because marvs read progression on damdred could be mafia/mafia to me. Really doubt damdred is with Palmar unless marv really sucks this game. is this in your filter? or can you splain it to me? | ||
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On September 20 2015 18:18 justanothertownie wrote: Mafia aren't idiots dude. Thanks for finally putting in the effort. I don't really see why you think we shouldn't lynch damdred even though you think he is more than likely mafia. I get that you say he might be with Onegu due to his weird read progression there but that is pretty speculative to me. We still have at least 1 mislynch left so we should just lynch who is the likeliest scum. Btw. what exactly do you want me to summarize or consolidate? I said where I stand in my big post. yes you should lynch the most likely mafia. if i didn't find someone better, i would lynch damdred. the only 2 reasons i even mentioned potentially waiting on him a day is 1) he could be a world of 1; 2) pride. don't wanna drive a ML on him and be wrong for 1st time D: | ||
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damdred + jat - damdred non-stop pushing jat all day 1 even when things were cooling down (damdred and gb once did this to eachother so outside of range, but unlikely due to nature of pushing) cephiro + marv - marv non-stop refusing to let me town read ceph or taking him off the table for tmrw and calling my reason shit constantly. palmar + geript - palmar called geript out on his tone shift when no1 else seemed to care. | ||
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so if i was in a mafia team of 2 and not with cephiro, clearly my goal is ML ceph + 1 rather than try to bust through 2 ppl who can shit town rainbows. what makes them likely not together also sketches me out about marv cuz of this very thought. i also remember i was typing something like this out earlier in the thread then erased it all thinking it was dumb and i should just go to sleep instead. i didn't take the advice this time. but now i will go to sleep. | ||
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On September 21 2015 06:38 justanothertownie wrote: Of course it is still possible. Onegu could have been janitor and damdred GF. This result does not make damdred anything. oh wow, didn't read that part of godfather in the OP. | ||
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On September 21 2015 06:42 geript wrote: You should vote for yourself then since it's so convincing. you should post reads since you've been lurking for so long. | ||
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palmar, jat, damdred, cephiro, geript, marv. each of you need to make a post and in that post you need to have a read on every other player listed here and explain why you have that read. if you post in the thread and don't do this or say when you're going to do it in a reasonable time, my vote is moving to you. geript is in the thread most recently so he gets my vote for now until his reads are in the thread. ##vote: geript | ||
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On September 21 2015 07:00 Damdred wrote: You both are dumb and bad. i could give 2 shits. post reads and show me why i am dumb and bad or my vote is moving to you. | ||
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On September 21 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote: Nope not working today at all so you can just vote me. But you are dumb this game obviously k. ##vote: damdred | ||
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none of you are dying during the night phase and out of the 6 of you only 2 posted over the course of 24 hours. 1 of which is geript who said literal nothing with his posts. like some of you have to be town who are just fucking off. you're supposed to be vets, you're supposed to be respected players, you're supposed to be good. well fucking step it up if you're town. | ||
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On September 21 2015 07:13 geript wrote: I don't get it. I've made reads pretty clearly. Palmar is town. Marv is town. Damdred is town. Ceph is kinda likely-ish to be town. Scott is 98% town. Koshi is dead but town. Like there's not much that has changed. So everyone calling me scum can kindly drop to your knees and do your duty. Like I'm not scum. Theres like a million good reasons for why I'm not scum. i'll take 3 of those million. lay em on me. so who's mafia? onegu? | ||
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On September 21 2015 07:18 Damdred wrote: Let me at least refute sometging 1) You are reading mw scum for a passive voice when the exact opposite has been true this game. I have given reads some in great detailed when asked for. Have pushed my reads and tried to get the lynch I wanted. None of these things have been passive. 2) Your an idiot ritoky because you are lynching someone with what amounts to a green check at this point. When you just got done getting lynched in another game with a green check on you. 3) I haven't read any of the game tbh since Friday afternoon maybe Thursday idk when my last post was. But I do know mafia needs two lynches to win the game and anyone who says it doesn't latter which two we lynch is playing dangerous game shrug. you were passive prior to me saying you were passive, then you stopped doing it. i am not lynching you right now. i am trying to fucking pressure people into doing shit since they have been fucking off with minimal effort for a decent while now. sorry for trying to win the damn game for town. case and point. | ||
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1) marv, damdred, geript 2) palmar 3) jat 4) cephiro cephiro had a larger gap before but his fucking off is potentially reaching the point where it starts to become mafia indicative. he needs to deliver the goods. | ||
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On September 22 2015 07:55 geript wrote: Better than having a old guy who wants to have two BM's every day even after major surgery, being NPO for 12, etc. bitch to the doctor and have a progressive series of stool softeners ending in golytely squirm all of the the fucking bed and spread his code brown onto your scrubs. That happened to a bitch I knew in nursing school. I almost felt bad for her, but she was a real bitch and 100% deserved it. that's really shitty....get it? but seriously you just reminded me that it is the fall, which means summer love is over and people get dumped/depressed and start sticking things in their ass and then they come to the ER cuz it is stuck or they haven't pooped for 2 weeks.....like this is not even a joke either is the sad part. | ||
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also should go back and look at who was the least engaged in the game last day phase....cuz i seriously think the person making the nks had to be fairly disengaged to believe scott only had 1 use....they also missed me soft vigi 3 times. | ||
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cuz in the situation we are in today he thinks onegu was mafia and there's a world of 1. but mechanically it is just right to play today considering that there's a world of 2. like that is just mechanically the better mindset to play with right now. last game him and i went ballistic on people for not understanding very simple mechanics on why 1) i could not be mafia and 2) why you should never lynch someone who can block kp until lylo. like if i wasn't confirmed town, geript was town, and i was spouting world of 1 today, i feel like he would berate me. so him being in that mode and not considering into worlds of 2 very much is disconcerting. | ||
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On September 22 2015 18:12 geript wrote: How can you not understand that Marv can be town here? Him deciding to fuck off post cop check the go enjoy a relaxing weekend aren't alignment indicative. Especially in new Marv meta. I doubt this view will be popular or liked, but new Marv gives far fewer fucks. Far fewer. Yeah, but I remember marv himself saying that as mafia he can give fucks for only a limited amount of time, then he just can't anymore. Whereas as town he can continue to give fucks indefinitely. Having not played with "old marv" I would say he is under his fucks threshhold for an effort based town read. Also if cephiro ninja votes/ninja posts and it isn't jizz worthy or doesn't continue for a sustained period of time it will basically be him claiming mafia at this point. | ||
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On September 22 2015 18:52 justanothertownie wrote: At this point I just hope he gets modkilled. Marv flipping GF would also be awesome. we don't lose a lynch right? i am too tired to math. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.gifbin.com/bin/082011/1313398002_baby_falls_asleep.gif) my 2ndary wish is that damdred, cephiro, and marv all magically re-appear and the game becomes immediately solved. 1 of them might come true in the next 15 minutes. | ||
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On September 22 2015 19:46 Cephiro wrote: I'm around now and I'm on pace with the thread, just going to re-read filters and take my time doing so before I post anything of substance. After that I'll stick around for a short moment only. I'm not sure if I can be around during the lynch deadline today, but I'll try to be available. If I'm not able to be around then, I'll be online some hours before the deadline to place my vote. Unless something surprising that I missed before comes up with my filter re-reads, I'm still very keen on voting marv today. can't even with this kinda shit. you've been taking your time for 5 days now time for you to just info dump and stop wasting space. | ||
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On September 23 2015 03:48 Damdred wrote: Honestly that post is bad has no real conclusions besides all of us could be mafia, I mean there's reasons I think to read jat, geript and palmar town. I also think I have reasons to be read town. I just hate that post meh pretty much this. there's towny being unsure and then there's that post. | ||
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On September 23 2015 03:59 Cephiro wrote: Right, because everyone can be a town leader, right? Let's all measure our penises during the night cycle so the ones that live on D4 can follow their leader with the mightiest organ instead of everyone trying to be a town leader. How much I post is completely irrelevant regarding if I'm scum or not. I can be the most active player in the thread as both scum and town. I can be the least active player in the thread both as scum and town. As I said before, if you scumread me, do it for valid reasons instead of the bullshit some of you are making up. Or am I scum because I didn't come flaunt my massive anaconda that has my feelings written all over it to your face during D2 when we had better things to do, like finish lynching the self-claimed scum? Not going to argue this point further, I believe I've made myself clear enough. Yes you should post your thoughts during the time when you're lynching confirmed scum? Is it even a question? I explained this before but it seems it didn't penetrate. When Wile flips scum, unless there is some elaborate bus there are 3 confirmed town. If there is an elaborate bus then there is still 1 confirmed town. Which is to say there is 0 threat of you dying in the night. If you're town and there's 0 threat of death, that is when you go ham and unload. And I feel you don't grasp activity reads. Just know they are valid, people won't stop using them on you, and if you're town it is your job to stave them off rather than just being a dismissive ponce about it. You won't have me giving you an overwhelming town read at the start of the day next cycle to defend you next time. | ||
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On September 23 2015 04:06 scott31337 wrote: It's better to talk about it now before your confirmed townies are still around when you know what their agenda is, not "ez lynch sheep zzzzz see you in 3 days" this too. | ||
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On September 23 2015 06:32 Palmar wrote: Basically, we have a roleblocker and a goon dead, and night 1 there were no flips (this also, obviously, means Onegu was not mafia). This means the remaining mafia must be janitor, so damdred cannot be godfather. ^ damdred conf town. rip my read this game. | ||
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On September 23 2015 06:31 Damdred wrote: Then make a case and don't ask down a list. Ceph looks the worst out of the unconfirmed,group disagree with this. i remember earlier pointing out how unlikely a ceph + marv team was. cuz i kept trying to clear cephiro for at least a day and marv was relentless calling my reason shit and refusing to let it happen. something about "LHF are LHF for a reason, cuz they're probably mafia" i really hate how cephiro plays, and it pisses me off, but i don't think he is the most mafia of people remaining. esp with marv being mafia and me listening to myself from earlier. | ||
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On September 23 2015 06:45 justanothertownie wrote: Poor ritoky has to keep on playing. Noone else than scott will get shot unless mafia really just wants to troll us. don't remind me lol....sux i mis-shot onegu. but at least it got rid of a potentially easy ML target for the mafia this game. | ||
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On September 23 2015 06:32 Cephiro wrote: Pushed and voted Wile D1 until I swapped at the end because people weren't getting on him. Been telling you marv is scum since game started. GET FUCKED. Think I'm just gonna idle the night with my no substance. NOPE. BYE. Your previous posts have been highly inconclusive. Marv was mafia, no world of 1. I don't care about content, just give me a name of most likely mafia before the end of the night and I will be satisfied with your contribution. 1 word ain't that fucking hard. | ||
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On September 23 2015 07:08 Damdred wrote: Here's something I'm thinking. Its tinfoil though but halfway plausible. First the proposed setup this game is Masons(rayn and koshi) Tracker (scott) Unaware Miller_(moosey) Vigilante (ritoky) Vs Goon(marv) Rb(wile) Janitor(?) This is an insanely imbalanced set up for town. Its true if janitor hits like,he did and blocks out the big information shot its a slight win for,mafia. It just seems like a lot of blues for a thirteen person game vs a relatively weak mafia team that can't even negate the tracker and doesn't care about killing him. Part of me wants to say that sl/wile and Scott devised this plan in qt for ultimate town cred. Obviously if he's town Scott has to die Feel free to consider that in LYLO if you're there (I sure as fuck won't be). Considering scott as mafia isn't really on the table until then unless you got something more than feels. | ||
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On September 23 2015 07:24 Cephiro wrote: Doesn't post much, sticking to conclusive stuff. -> Ceph is mafia because he is not active. (Because waving the dick around and talking about irrelevant shit has to happen D2 when there's a self-claimed scum up for lynch) Posts more when asked, also telling about his unsure opinions -> Wow you wishy-washy fuck, so inconclusive and useless. What the fuck does this town want? Also I'm not dying tonight anyway, why should I need to be posting during the night-time? Might as well just wait for the flip (which should be obvious, but you never know), and talk after. Also gives me more time to be "conclusive" like you want. Like honestly, you can't deny my votes and reads have been on point. If you dislike me not waving my dick and spamming irrelevant shit when it's not needed, that's your issue. A track on me would be stupid as fuck, it should be fairly obvious by this point that I'm town. Re: + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2015 02:53 Cephiro wrote: As wifom, I really don't understand how someone could imagine a marv/Ceph scumteam at this point. I mean I like to make big plays, but I'm not a fan of retarded plays (well, except when I'm town and get an idea that I believe is genius when it clearly isn't). If I was scum with my marv, why on earth would you assume I'd have bussed both my scumbuddies since the start of the game? Sure, it's well within my reach to do so, but even I'm not stupid enough to think that I'd come out on top of a 1v5+1 (one confirmed town, ritoky) starting N3. Especially as if you assume both me and marv to be scum, that would mean scott is confirmed town also. Which would mean I'd go into a 1v4+1conftown situation on D4. I'm sure I could get at least one mislynch even at that point if I was mafia, but two when the town has the option of no-lynching on D5 to make it a D6 1v2? Yeah, just no. Not with how much presence I've had in the game so far. I can also assure you that I'd never have approved of a Koshi kill if I was scum. I would've just gone for the actually confirmed town and discredited koshi, given roleblocking into mafia team itself is something I've done several times in the past. Marv may have easily left pursuing my lynch near the deadline, but he did just as much so with Wile. Do you really think marv would've started off with a scum/scum bus only to waffle himself on a town mislynch? Just no. Feel free to point out reasons you disagree, but trying to think of it from a neutral PoV, I honestly can't see how someone would ever think me+marv is a possible scumteam at this point. In theory sure, in practice no. I don't mind if a townie genuinely misreads me as scum for valid reasons, people make mistakes all the time. But when the reasoning is absolute crap and spells "Opportunistic and far-fetched" all over it, you'll have to wonder if that's a case coming from a town player or a scum player. Not that he should live through the night anyway. You do realize I have been the literal only person in the game almost perpetually town shielding you and probably the primary reason you haven't been seriously considered on the lynch table right? You understand that correct? I made it very clear what i wanted. 1 word. | ||
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On September 23 2015 07:38 Cephiro wrote: I'll also make it clear. You're not the reason I'm alive. You're not a guardian of mine, I don't give a shit about anything you demand. If you want to co-operate, sure, I'm up for that. If you're going to be a dick and try to pretend being my savior, no. I don't care. Then I'll just ignore you and post what I want when I want. What is there to co-operate with, you've been stand-offish and dismissive toward everyone; the moment someone considers you might be mafia you make 0 effort to understand or argue against it and call them and their reasons shit. Your posts don't have clear direction of where you want to go this game and the justifications tend to be lacking at best. I have spent the majority of the time you've been in the thread attempting to get you to participate in a meaningful way that will allow other players to get a proper read on you and you've just been having none of it. You've wanted to stall for ungodly amounts of time for no justified reason. You've actively refused to give reads or state a definitive target. You've treated pretty much everyone who interacts with you with venom. And quite frankly if you're town been an atrocious teammate. And yes if you didn't have confirmed town shielding you for so long you would be in a lot of trouble. Feel free to ignore my posts, they probably won't be here for but 23 more hours; but don't think your play justifies your holier than thou attitude; regardless of your alignment. | ||
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1) he subbed into the game and very quickly claimed and has been the recipient of 0 blue CCs of any sort since then when mafia had 2 PRs. no1 had an onegu PR read either, so that's pretty unlikely. 2) he would have had to have literally killed both his teammates in cold blood. you can say what you want about wile was gonna be likely lynched that phase anywayz and marv did it to himself. but scott straight up killed wile. like put him in the dirt with his claim. then in the night phase immediately following when i was giving reads on the game and basically said i had none on marv, he pushed me to read marv, told me why marv is scum, then said he plans to lynch marv. you're telling me scott subs into the game and him and his team decide: okay step 1) fake claim and get your first partner killed step 2) bury your other partner. not buying what you're selling. 3) scott fake claims his number of checks. this is the one i think is really outside of his scum range. he comes into the thread and claims a single use; he then reveals later that he had more checks. if scott was fake claiming this game it wouldn't be that elaborate. fake claims are all about being precise and not messing up the info. making sure everything is in line and there are no holes. not "lulz, i lied about # of checks guys, btw damdred didn't do nothing". scott is not mafia ever. if i die, don't consider lynching him even in lylo. someone pushing for his lynch in lylo after reading this is dumb enough to probably be mafia. seriously go look at the night phase interactions between him and me after wile is lynched. there's no way he is on a team with wile and marv EVER. | ||
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1) The guy tryharding the most when no1 else is -> mafia. I did this in DU2, judgejudy did this recently. It is not always true, but it can be true in a lot of cases. 2) Overselling your Wile push. It is not that you didn't push on Wile, it is that the way you described your push on Wile is way more glorified than what you actually did. 3) Destructive day 1 play. Day 1 you were snarky and more concerned with tearing arguments down than building arguments and moving town in a positive direction. 4) The disappearing cephiro read. Disappearing might be a strong enough word, but you felt he was mafia enough to deserve your vote day 1 over moosy, marv, and wile; but since you haven't really done a lot of pushing of him in any particular direction. 5) Koshi list. Koshi's list of people he wanted lynched before he died was essentially you, marv, palmar. He had slightly softened on you, but still #koshisays. No but seriously this post: On September 16 2015 06:13 Koshi wrote: I actually have a real read. If it isn't true I will spoil it when you flip. But it is real and worked twice. 2/2. I can proof it. 6) A few too many "I wouldn't do x as this alignment" kind of posts that stand out in your filter. A lot of self-meta examination even under very little fire. 7) Marv was kinda deflecting you pretty substantially around the lynch time day 1. Could be spew, could be deflection. That's all I remember for now. Your filter is a behemoth so I might have forgotten some shit. Just start here telling my why this is all wrong. | ||
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On September 17 2015 02:32 Damdred wrote: Hi, I'm going to cheat and talk a small bit even though I'm under orders to shut up. 1) Wil is still a decent lynch, his content lacks a bit of drive to find scum rather focusing on other side things it feels like. I would lynch him. 2) I still think warwaffle is scum here. If you look at his other newb games he does say some smart things and fights back at points. He does afk a lot though anyway so that's a negative towards it but never this much. 3) I still don't really like JAT, while he does seem more involved it just seems like he's not doing much in the way of actually being useful in his normal way. Throws a lot of dirt before settling gibes up on scum reads because they seem unlun hable today. 4) I might just sheep Marv. but I'm here for some talki Regarding the part I bolded in particular I would like you to tell me why at that point you were wanting to sheep marv over rayn or koshi. | ||
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On September 24 2015 05:38 Damdred wrote: Because I rng my vote out of the people I thought would be fun to sheep and it landed on Marv, and I decided to go against Marv and pushed whatvinfelt like d1. Bit of a weird part of a post to que up on I suppose And when you started moving off of Wile, why did you do that? I am not talking about his "a ha" post which was the final thing that pushed you away. I am talking about before that when you had already started to doubt that read. | ||
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Never lynch: ritoky scott Most town unconfirmed: cephiro - regardless of how i feel about his contributions this game, circumstance tells me he is town. returns to thread when moosy and him top wagon -> both push on conf mafia wile rather than eachother. marvs filter and interactions read to me like he was clearly trying to set ceph up as a ML and failing. Town cuz stuff: jat - doubt after missing my vigi claim he believes in the 1shot of scott and doesn't shoot him in the night. activity. other things. Doubts...don't want to be wrong, but meh: damdred - slight cred for tracker check on him saying he did nothing, but not full cred cuz marv could have carried kp. maybe he has varied his play enough to where my soul read is no good now. doesn't read as slam dunk town as towndred normally does Lynch candidates: geript palmar | ||
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On September 24 2015 08:00 geript wrote: I figured out why palmar can't be mafia either. share please. | ||
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On September 24 2015 07:58 geript wrote: I'm voting for JAT. Because I trust Rayn's reads. And Rayn scumread JAT for all of D1. that's cool, what specific post by rayn or parts of his read do you find compelling? cuz rayn's been dead so long i don't particularly remember his reads...so i am assuming you dug through some filters or notes to find this. | ||
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On September 24 2015 08:23 justanothertownie wrote: Read the end of rayns filter. He is clearly strongly townreading me and it is not hard to see. Gone for real now. let him make his case and posts. then i'll go see if it is a pile of hot air or not. | ||
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On September 24 2015 09:23 Damdred wrote: Will you at least give opinions on what I wrote. and honestly if I trust you on your ceph read I have to lynch palm today yea? i am open to hearing contrary reads on ceph and seeing if he responds to them with anything other than "that's dumb, you're dumb". i will give an opinion on it a bit later tonight if geript doesn't respond to the question i asked him. i was going to see his response first and kinda roll how i felt about your post and his response into one. if he doesn't come back i will just respond to your post. btw who is the person you feel you have the loosest read on this game? like you have a read but 0 confidence in it? | ||
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As of now, you have not passed go, you do not get to collect $200. Prove me wrong quickly. | ||
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Outside of that, I like his play today and he seems to be the person least playing to set up a f4 (other than ceph who isn't playing). I can see potential motives in jat, I see potential motives in damdred, I see potential motives in geript. This phase I don't really see a long game from palmar....he just seems to want to lynch the person he finds scum this phase. | ||
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my soul says damdred is mafia my tinfoil says jat is mafia my rage says cephiro is mafia my head says geript is mafia my heart remains undecided. palmar appears on no list -> town | ||
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On September 17 2015 06:27 deconduo wrote: Day 1 Votecount Cephiro (3): MoosyDoosy (4): raynpelikoneet, Wile E. Coyote, justanothertownie (3): Wile E. Coyote (1): MoosyDoosy, Onegu (1): Palmar Palmar (0): marvellosity (0): Damdred (0): geript (0): Not Voting (1): marvellosity Voting ends in at 21:30 GMT (+00:00). On September 17 2015 06:42 deconduo wrote: Day 1 Final Votecount MoosyDoosy (5): raynpelikoneet, Wile E. Coyote, Koshi, ritoky, marvellosity justanothertownie (4): scott31337, Damdred, Cephiro, Palmar Cephiro (3): Onegu, justanothertownie, geript Wile E. Coyote (1): MoosyDoosy like this is all that matters from my spreadsheet and i don't see much useful here. anyone else? | ||
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anyone else got any opinions on those votes or is it useless? damdred? ![[image loading]](http://www.unsolicited.guru/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/bueller.jpg) | ||
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On September 25 2015 08:07 Damdred wrote: Also obviously I'm confirmed town now. ? | ||
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idk i know i talked shit on you d1 about it, dunno why he cares. it was reasonable to talk shit on you about it during the first bit. | ||
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1) Activity/Style. Weakest of the points especially considering schedule changes to geript's rl. However, geript feels a bit more present for me as town. I just finished playing a game with him where he we town bro'd all game. He has different feelings this game. Outside of that the type of way he is expressing his frustration and anger prior to this phase was odd. His first angry post was just out of the blue and over the top; stuck out like a sore thumb. But also there was the style of it. From my experience angry town geript is more chirpy, repeats himself, and spams a bit with portions in caps for emphasis. That post was more along the lines of calm calm WALL OF ANGER calm calm. This phase a little bit more along town frustration style. 2) Magic reads on LHF. I was making a conscious effort this game, particularly early to focus my reads on the people I felt were LHF in the game. First because I had a gun and was likely to shoot one, but secondly because I felt the number of strong players was so high that easy ML targets were at a premium so I wanted to try and combat that by having good reads on them. His moosy read I can grasp as coming from town. But I remember when warwaffle posted, I literally followed his post with "I don't know how anyone in the game can have a read on this guy" and I believe you said something quite similar. To which geript promptly shows up and says "he is town". Later we find he is town and a PR. I have a hard time grasping how I, who was focusing on LHF see a post and think it is unreadable and he comes so solid on it and correct. He has been very correct on LHF...almost too correct. 3) Mechanically bad play. If there's 1 thing geript is triggered by as town it is mechanically bad play. Last phase he was playing with a mindset of a world of 1, which was just mechanically wrong. I pointed it out to him multiple times and he did probably nothing with it. He was right about marv, but wrong about the world of 1. I don't think he would tolerate his own mindset if he was town. 4) World of 1 -> JATTTTT OMFG JAT. He was literally sold on world of 1 yesterday. When it turns out that isn't the case he goes ham on JAT and pushes using stuff that he has been "pushing" or "pointing out" all game. Yet just the day before he was sold marv was solo mafia. I don't get the tonal shift of 1 alive into ABSOLUTELY THIS GUY. There aren't even filter reading or considering posts in there. There's just turning on a dime. 5) Discrediting rather than arguing. Yes geript isn't big on case making, yes you find this town of him; but if JAT is mafia I want to see a compelling argument not "he has done nothing with the longest filter" "ignore everything he says". That doesn't get my dick hard. 6) Plethora of dumb tells and stupid comments. There's a threshold of dumb tells as town. He went beyond it. If you could start there telling me why I am wrong or those are NAI. | ||
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On September 26 2015 04:54 justanothertownie wrote: Because it is true?! err? Geript never ever said marv is mafia. yeah you're right. got confused. he said you were the world of 1. lack of sleep. | ||
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On September 26 2015 05:01 justanothertownie wrote: He also never reevaluated even though he really should have after I lynched his townread marv who flipped fucking mafia. yeah but you've also seen geript as town hold onto some dumpster read all game and never re-evaluate it ever for lord knows what reason. don't tell me you haven't. | ||
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On September 26 2015 05:05 justanothertownie wrote: Sure, but doesn't he generally have an at least semilogical reason for his read which he tries to shove down everyones throat repeatedly? He does not here. I think you're slightly colored bias because the read is on you. I think that of his read on you the more concerning parts are his no read on onegu -> onegu was def mafia after shot or the world of 1 and it's JAT. Not necessarily the reasoning behind it or the lack of re-evaluate. He claims a magical unexplained read on WoS every game they are in together and hardly ever changes it over the course of a game and from my experience is wrong as much as he is right. | ||
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the 45 being split in an undisclosed way between damdred and jat. | ||
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i like cephiro's case, coupled with the one i made earlier. particularly the part about reading him town for something and using the same reason to scum read him later. i also don't think it is out of the realm of possibilities for jat to be mafia for reasons i put forth in my filter. that said i think i just have to go with geript for 2 reasons: 1) i think he is most likely scum for the reasons i have said a few times 2) if i am wrong on him i think there's far more content and participation from damdred and jat in order for town to get well informed solid reads in f4....i think me being wrong on geript and him being dead is a better scenario for town than me being wrong on damdred or jat and geript still being alive. | ||
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palmar i only came to arrive at as town last phase cuz i read his filter and it read town. dunno how else to say it. was his opening a bit wonky compared to some of his other tunnel a motherfucker openings when he is town in other games? yeah. is he slightly more passive? yeah. but go read one of his town games and read this game. you'll see the similarities. last phase was wary of him not pushing hard enough to get what he wanted. i had a town read on jat early cuz i threatened to shoot him and he told me to piss off. then admitted he missed the soft, then he didn't shoot scott in the night and acted surprised (could be fake could be real idk) cuz he thought (as well as i thought) scott's check #s were fake. outside of that the rest of the TR i have given him over the course of the game are effort over content. last phase i lessened on him for his play in general and simply cuz i thought palmar was more town last phase. last phase was worried cuz he agreed with me so much that i felt i might be wrong. damdred....i had a PR read on him n1-ish but that didn't materialize, so i figured he was just mafia. i made a case, ceph made a case. consider them but don't jump on them. i don't think my read on him has been iron clad this game like it usually is. ever since he switched to w/e makes him post shorter and have all the auto-correct and stuff it has begun making me read on him a bit rougher. last phase was wary of the i told you so set-up on geript. nothing has really happened to change my opinions in the night. i would split you into 2 categories: cat 1: ceph/palmar cat 2: damdred/jat i would look into cat 2 before cat 1, but it's mylo so not considering everyone as a possibility is stupid. anyone who just comes in and says x is mafia ##vote and then fucks off during mylo needs to be punched in the nose. good luck, and it sure is shitty we can't sleep. | ||
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damdred makes that kill to swag on me, and to appeal to emotion and say something like "your soul read is shit, you're about to lynch me and lose the game" to fuck with my head. cephiro makes that kill because jat wasn't sure on him and was really just taking my word for it while i defended him all game. palmar makes that kill because he respects jat's effort level and kills the person who is most prone to solve the game or put in the effort to solve the game. stop tryin to wifom motivations it is a waste of your brain power. | ||
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On September 28 2015 12:49 Cephiro wrote: No, I have not. I do not have the time to go through multiple past games of theirs which would give enough insight for a possible meta read to some extent, and I believe that any experienced player is capable of playing differently / intentionally manipulating their "meta" if they so wish, to their advantage, thus making it absolutely pointless. honest question, what has been keeping you from playing more frequently the entire game? because outside of this and the first phase you've kinda been a deadline warrior. | ||
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but i was seeing how much of your top 3 reasons matched with mine. interesting. | ||
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On September 28 2015 13:16 Cephiro wrote: @Dam: Can you try to clarify to me how your point #3 is in your favour? I really don't see how possibly not bussing makes you any more town than bussing. Why would anyone go for a cred bus if they don't need it? It's one of the reasons I think he might be town as of right now. Still considering, but damdred is like me as scum. He loves to bus @ least 1 teammate if not all of them. Damdred isn't one to sacrifice his position in the game to save his teammates and often he will just plain bury them to further his position in a "town circle". It's a meta thing about how he tends to play mafia from past games. | ||
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On September 28 2015 13:25 Damdred wrote: Anyway my question earlier wasn't about your read now but rather your read yesterday leading to today. You had palmar as pretty hard town then me and geript towards the bottom. This directed at me? | ||
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now i kinda like ceph again. bleh. | ||
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On September 28 2015 13:50 Damdred wrote: Don't make me beat you rit with why I'm town cause you better then that oh baby, you know i like it when you beat me. | ||
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i also have a hard time believing that palmar either afk /c's marv kill on koshi over a blue or wants the kill on koshi over a blue. he was so blue hunt hungry the time i was mafia with him. | ||
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On September 29 2015 04:38 Damdred wrote: Rit opiuons on the vote wagons d1? idk its a weird feeling between the two I hate being wrong in lylo you all voted for the same person which sux. palmar moved from an afk to jat toward the end which is meh. if palmar + marv are together and both moving votes close to deadline, wouldn't they coordinate to kill jat instead of moosy? even if it gets marv killed i feel like a scum team would rather coordinate to leave moosy in the game as some1 not really playing and being a ML target than JAT who is spamming up a storm. like for palmar to be mafia you have to believe him and marv missed on lynching jat day 1 for moosy AND he didn't shoot scott when he claimed and accepted the claim at face value. i might respect palmar's play too much to believe that. | ||
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On September 29 2015 04:57 Cephiro wrote: ritoky, I just want you to realize that you should not think about one single point as something why it's not a possibility. I understand more than well enough if you want to respect Palmar's play for that to be unlikely in your opinion, but do think this: If you hold him that high in regard, would he as town have voted jat d1, got his geript mislynch d4, and now push me the way he is doing? Not to mention you can't disagree he hasn't exactly been the cause of correct lynches happening, which if you respect Palmar's ability of play, you should be expecting that to a decent extent at least if you assume he's town. Are you going to hang on those minor points and deduce he's not scum because it would be unlikely for a scum!Palmar to do that, or are you going to take into account similar points regarding town!Palmar that he should've achieved/done but hasn't? Think of it as a whole. Well I don't think palmar's case on you is unreasonable; which is why I am a little miffed by your response to it. His case is basically: 1) you admit you prefer to bus as mafia 2) you stalled on giving marv reads forever, and when you did he was already dead. 3) you didn't push particularly hard onto mafia i.e. (i prefer wile, but with majority to save self) aka no sign of suicidal level of towniness 4) bizarre onegu read over nothing None of those points seem unreasonable to the point where if I am town that I would think this 100% confirms palmar as mafia and now he must 1v1 me bro. Could palmar just be wrong and town holding onto a dumpster read on damdred? Yes...I don't see how you read that case and say "confirmed mafia". | ||
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On September 29 2015 05:00 Damdred wrote: I actually think its worth your time ritoky, like don't be lazy here at eod when I'm asking for your opinion please <<. u got a few things to read it looks like here meh If I go read this, I need you to beat it into me that you're town while I am doing it. Cuz unlike you guys who only have 2 options, I don't know any of your alignments. Make me never want to lynch you ever. Go. | ||
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On September 16 2015 22:47 marvellosity wrote: "never rolled mafia" is not talking about the game of mafia On September 16 2015 23:16 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##vote: moosydoosy i'm waiting On September 17 2015 00:22 marvellosity wrote: ffs. this is mindbogglingly stupid. but it kinda seems it's alignment-neutral mindbogglingly stupid. On September 17 2015 00:23 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##Vote: Cephiro On September 17 2015 06:23 marvellosity wrote: i'm in ceph's filter atm. On September 17 2015 06:25 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote On September 17 2015 06:27 marvellosity wrote: yes ok, not sure about super towny but i'm definitely getting it. hrmph and then he votes moosy. bonus tidbit of weird posting: On September 17 2015 00:56 marvellosity wrote: I (in my tentative, ignoring Damdred way) agree | ||
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On September 29 2015 05:08 Palmar wrote: like if anything, my filter length is confirmed town territory for me, so there's that. I checked that, you've done 19 before as scum so not quite enough to put you into conf town territory. Within the margin of error. | ||
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On September 29 2015 05:43 Cephiro wrote: It's not "Palmar makes a case on me", it's "The way Palmar played as a whole D3-D4". As in there are specific actions that point towards a scum!Palmar play rather than a town!Palmar play. Assuming you have read his filter, give me 3 examples of why he is scum before yesterday. Like I have said, I also don't understand why you think palmar's case is unreasonable because it is literally just quotes of your play, accurate characterizations, and him explaining why he thinks that is mafia. Like he could be wrong on it making you mafia, but factually his case is fine. Hence why I am having trouble grasping why you dropped a read you desperately wanted everyone to sheep to take a 1v1 me bro stance. | ||
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On September 29 2015 05:50 Damdred wrote: This is hard that post and the previous does read like your talking to me like I'm town. hrmmm Would really like to hear your opinion. | ||
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On September 29 2015 05:57 Damdred wrote: Palmars case isn't ubreasonable or over reaching, I think its general characterizations that are true. I think cephs reaction to it has kinda been bad, I think at one point he threatened me last night and thinking it was 80/20 me to palmar but talks to me like I'm town and just acts frustrated with my line of thinking, if someone I think is scum tried to do that I react a bit differently. I think. either you're in the same headspace as me or you're telling me what i want to hear as i ignorantly lose to you. swear to god if i lose to you cuz i scumread you against every1 else in the game and talk myself out of it....i am going to never stop voting you any game i even have an inkling you're mafia and will never doubt my soul again. | ||
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i think it is probably ceph or damdred. palmar not moving onto damdred, damdred not self-voting means if it is damdred we just lose. so let's just hope it is ceph. | ||
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On September 29 2015 06:32 Cephiro wrote: Also sorry if I'm being overly hostile, I'm just really disappointed right now. You all tried your best. your sudden shift from extreme on damdred to extreme on palmar shoved me really far away....i just couldn't grasp it. | ||
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On September 29 2015 06:34 justanothertownie wrote: ^ People should have really considered this way more strongly btw. - there is no reason for cephiro to kill me there. yes there is. i had been town shielding him all game and you were more likely to consider lynching him than me if he assumed i was just going to keep the same reads. | ||
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On September 29 2015 06:37 Cephiro wrote: Thank you to the hosts and everyone that participated in the game, it was a nice game to return to after a long hiatus and I hope I'll be joining other games in the upcoming months and performing even better! I think I was a bit harsh on you early in the game, you played way better than I did this game and sorry for the loss. That said, the stuff about activity and when people prompt you and you tell them "I'm not going to answer that now; will do it later". That stuff will continue to come up against you when you play future games; just be aware of that even if you don't think it is valid. | ||
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On September 29 2015 06:37 justanothertownie wrote: Absolutely not. His posts eod when geript died made him my strongest townread in the game. dunno, i think you probably would have done better cuz i was bad all game, but i think you're wrong here and speaking from outside context rather than inside. if i was ceph mafia there i probably would have believed i was least likely to lynch him. | ||
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On September 29 2015 06:45 Damdred wrote: Yeah idk what to say I was trying in lylo. Idk I just got pocketed early and was hard to move on it was really my fault for that. at least you talked me out of my read on you. | ||
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