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moosy/noobking/copcake/others. Can you guys make some sort of list post on where you stand? Like on everyone. Specifically I would also like people to give an opinion on the whole noobking/rayn conundrum. What do you think of their alignment?
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On September 06 2015 05:07 Superbia wrote:
moosy/noobking/copcake/others. Can you guys make some sort of list post on where you stand? Like on everyone. Specifically I would also like people to give an opinion on the whole noobking/rayn conundrum. What do you think of their alignment?
-.- i detailed a post where i lumped people into categories but here you go:
town: raynpelikoneet, yamato77
town lean: Superbia, Alakaslam
null: Breshke, boxerfred, GlowingBear, scott31337, Fidei86
people to look into: nocturnemage/coughinghydra, copcake
???: n00bKing
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as for rayn/n00bKing i'm hella confused. i read n00bKing as town due to meta and tone but everyone else seems to think he's Mafia which is confusing me. I'm pretty positive that n00bKing is working on a big case at the moment though, so I have no worries that his alignment will become clear when he finishes it.
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Apologies if I'm asking for a repost. I've been able to half-read the thread on phone during the day, but wasn't able to process too much.
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You've played with noobking before, right? Have you experienced his mafia play and his town play?
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On September 06 2015 05:16 Superbia wrote:
You've played with noobking before, right? Have you experienced his mafia play and his town play?
Yes I have. I've already made a post to rayn about it. Here it is for you and posterity:
On September 05 2015 11:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:Okay so this was his town games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xihttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488742-newbie-student-mafia-xiiHe's doing a lot of the same things here as he did as town in those games. Now as you can see in those games, he went down to business rather quickly. There were some rapport posts but those were post-game and not much while the game was in progress. If we look at his scum game, these are the posts that were really fishy (note that I was indeed the first person to notice this as well): Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 10:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On that note n00bKing you seem a lot more friendly in this game than in others. At least you're posting a lot more fluff here and responding to more stuff than going down to business like you normally would. Any particular reason why? The weird posts I noticed: Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:29 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote:
RNG gave me town, thank God. Meh, I don't get people's reluctance to play as Scum. Granted, this is only my third game here, but I think it'll be exciting, whenever I finally get a chance to kill some of you people.  Blue role? Sure, cool, I'll take that. But I'd rather be Scum than VT (maybe I'll feel differently once it actually happens.) Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 04:53 n00bKing wrote:
The snow glows white on the mountain tonight, not a footprint to be seen... Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 06:44 n00bKing wrote:Dear Bad Guys, I know that the Mafia attacked me on Night 1 of Newbie 11, and that they attacked me on Night 2 of Newbie 12. So maybe you are thinking of attacking me tonight, too. But don't do it! n00bKing wrote:having so much crossover in the player lists for the Newbie games is making it feel more like a "community" I guess. In the first game, I didn't know anyone so there wasn't anything to do but get down to business. I am also in a lighter mood because my move is finished (whereas it was in-progress during the first game, and I was busy unpacking all the time during the second game) and because my birthday is this weekend. w00t! Don't kill me on my birthday, you dicks! 
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Are you hoping he's town?
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To be fair, rayn did make a good point here:
On September 05 2015 11:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Moosy i see a certain difference in his play (and in the last game) here and in his play on those games.
He as mafia picks a target and pushes it into oblivion.
He as town, well see my last post and turn it around. He actually listens to other people. hm...this is a good point. i'll back off of n00bking for now and give him some space to respond.
But I don't think it's enough to completely lynch n00bKing yet. Either way, it's standard town!n00bKing manner to see if he's working on a big case or not so I'm willing to wait and see what happens.
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On September 06 2015 04:12 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:15 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:06 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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that's not actually true. Here are all your posts i can find about slam before i asked about the read On September 05 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:yamato i am almost certain Slam is mafia.  On September 05 2015 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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glowingbear does that as scum though. he banks on me coming to a conclusion "too dumb to be scum", but he's played that card already so it does not work.
idk maybe Breshke is town after all, we'll see.
I really think Slam is mafia, can you see why? On September 05 2015 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Here is my read evolution of Breshke:
- I saw a post i think makes no sense from town perspective.
- I asked him about it.
- He answered, and then i said "it does not make any sense from town perspective".
- I pushed him further, because i wanted a reaction (a better elaboration, in case he is town) and i wanted to make sure he knows i have my eyes on him because he CAN be lazy as town, but if he is town i don't want to allow him to be lazy, and i wanted him to know he does know that.
- He said "okay, my post was indeed fluff, but idk what to expect from people at that point of the game"
- That makes sense to me, i didn't even originally think about that. But now that he said it it makes a bit more sense.
- Then i responded him basically with saying "if you are town you will play, okay"
- After that his posting has been better, so i have a reason to believe he is not in fact mafia -> his behavior now to me makes more sense.
I focused onto both Breshke and Glowingbear at the same time. I already knew what i would say regarding how GB answers me. I want to cut out the stupidity from this game. Again, i have not been pushing GB, and again, i don't even care if he is mafia or not, he earned himself a spot in "ignore pile", if someone else wants to figure him out do it. I think it's more likely that he is mafia fro what i have said but i am not sure.
My "timing" on Breshke/GB thing has nothing to do with anything for reals.
I think the most likely people who are mafia in this game atm are Slam & Noobking. Tell me where you talked about slam so much that I as mafia would have thought voting slam is thread sentiment. I am not talking about thread sentiment and neither is Slam. He is saying that if you are mafia you very well know what i mean and you know it's a reason to call Slam mafia, even without me ACTUALLY saying it. Which i totally agree with it. Im kinda getting confused here. Slam is exactly saying I am mafia because im pushing him and my only reason for pushing him is because i thought it was thread sentiment because you were pushing him On September 05 2015 12:10 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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The why doesn't he fucking clarify it?
Instead he keeps dancing around the issue and saying something else.
Did you play in Newbie Student Mafia XIII?
Like it was literally what he did all game long. Someone makes a clear point, he just twists the points into oblivion so noone even remembers the original argument anymore. He's like kitaman when scum, except for kitaman is really fucking good at it. He was asking you some question like about what you ment by your own defininition. From my pov he clearly im taking it as he didn't understand that you didnt ralise his post was sarcastic or w/e. If XIII is the one from mooseys sig then yes i was in it. I also want to add that I think the way noobking is acting towards you(rayn) is fairly anti town/scummy. Antagonizing someone isn't pressure. I don't really see what you are doing noobking as pressuring rayn because i don't see how you would be getting an allighnment read from it. That being said i think the slam thing is a really good place to put my vote right now and it kills two birds with one stone ##Vote Alakaslam Mafia. What the hell kind of two birds and no reasoning at all, just sleeping Rayn which Rayn has posted so much he probably thought it was town sentiment. Another reason my Rayn respect is high. Yes, you could be "sheeping me" because you know i think Slam could be mafia for the same reasons you laid out. That's what he is saying, or like, that's his conclusion. Which is not totally out of this world. I see what you are saying but i don't see how the comment that "i think I am following thread sentiment even though its just you and you've posted a lot" fits in when you had hardly talked about it. Like if i then think oh rayn is going to scumread slam for this reason ill do it first because that would be good. Then no im not following thread sentiment im trying to pocket you or w/e. What slam originally said didn't make sense and when I pointed it out he didn't say that I was misunderstanding him so im not going to assume that he ment something else when it is clear to me what he said doesn't make sense. Dude is this your first time being scum? For your next game: you skimmed the thread and picked up on the general few people weakly agreeing with what Rayn mentioned all the time in passing and made a few strong key statements about. This made you think there was good reason and thread sentiment there to get me lynched. Rayn has been dissonant In a way the people at smashboards think is a tell (I am a little surprised none of the newbies except NK picked up on it) because they aren't so good as they think they are. Rayn has talked about me in a post saying I am just shy of confirmed scum and then voted someone else. He was pushing me hard, saying a good bit about NK, and then BAM- votes NK, not me. That's usually considered scummy, but I know what he is doing and besides it isn't actually as scummy as people think. Regardless, it threw you off but set you up with an excuse to vote me. This is also why k am hoping GB is on your team. Doesn't this mean noobking would have to be mafia in order to Breshke be mafia? Otherwise the "throwing off" makes very little sense. Slam, i still want you to answer this. This post: + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 13:52 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 13:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 13:15 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:06 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 12:51 Breshke wrote:
...because rayn has posted shit all about slam without me prodding/asking. that's not actually true. Here are all your posts i can find about slam before i asked about the read On September 05 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:yamato i am almost certain Slam is mafia. On September 05 2015 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:56 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think baiting rayn into getting angry is the right way to be playing this D1.
He's been fairly obvious town so far. glowingbear does that as scum though. he banks on me coming to a conclusion "too dumb to be scum", but he's played that card already so it does not work. idk maybe Breshke is town after all, we'll see. I really think Slam is mafia, can you see why? On September 05 2015 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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This was Breshke's post. In this his tone is sarcastic which matches his general acerbic posting.
I don't see why you would say this:
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He's basically saying he's waiting to see what you guys will do but you're saying that's not what he said?
Also thoughts on the evolution of your read on Breshke. At first you think he's very likely to be Mafia then seem to waffle and say we'll have to see later on. Also around this time you seem to want to kill GlowingBear. I don't like how you give up one thing when GlowingBear starts to seem like a better lynch target with his terrible shenanigans. Here is my read evolution of Breshke: - I saw a post i think makes no sense from town perspective. - I asked him about it. - He answered, and then i said "it does not make any sense from town perspective". - I pushed him further, because i wanted a reaction (a better elaboration, in case he is town) and i wanted to make sure he knows i have my eyes on him because he CAN be lazy as town, but if he is town i don't want to allow him to be lazy, and i wanted him to know he does know that. - He said "okay, my post was indeed fluff, but idk what to expect from people at that point of the game" - That makes sense to me, i didn't even originally think about that. But now that he said it it makes a bit more sense. - Then i responded him basically with saying "if you are town you will play, okay" - After that his posting has been better, so i have a reason to believe he is not in fact mafia -> his behavior now to me makes more sense. I focused onto both Breshke and Glowingbear at the same time. I already knew what i would say regarding how GB answers me. I want to cut out the stupidity from this game. Again, i have not been pushing GB, and again, i don't even care if he is mafia or not, he earned himself a spot in "ignore pile", if someone else wants to figure him out do it. I think it's more likely that he is mafia fro what i have said but i am not sure. My "timing" on Breshke/GB thing has nothing to do with anything for reals. I think the most likely people who are mafia in this game atm are Slam & Noobking. Tell me where you talked about slam so much that I as mafia would have thought voting slam is thread sentiment. I am not talking about thread sentiment and neither is Slam. He is saying that if you are mafia you very well know what i mean and you know it's a reason to call Slam mafia, even without me ACTUALLY saying it. Which i totally agree with it. Im kinda getting confused here. Slam is exactly saying I am mafia because im pushing him and my only reason for pushing him is because i thought it was thread sentiment because you were pushing him On September 05 2015 12:10 Alakaslam wrote:On September 05 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 10:08 Breshke wrote:
SO when noobking said "Does rayn leap to ridiculous conclusions with no basis as either allegiance? Or only when he's Town?"
He was not being serious rayn. IIRC i think he was responding to yamato and he is trying to imply that you can not be town because you are leaping to ridiculous conclusions. This wasn't actually a question about your meta.
The why doesn't he fucking clarify it? Instead he keeps dancing around the issue and saying something else. Did you play in Newbie Student Mafia XIII? Like it was literally what he did all game long. Someone makes a clear point, he just twists the points into oblivion so noone even remembers the original argument anymore. He's like kitaman when scum, except for kitaman is really fucking good at it. He was asking you some question like about what you ment by your own defininition. From my pov he clearly im taking it as he didn't understand that you didnt ralise his post was sarcastic or w/e. If XIII is the one from mooseys sig then yes i was in it. I also want to add that I think the way noobking is acting towards you(rayn) is fairly anti town/scummy. Antagonizing someone isn't pressure. I don't really see what you are doing noobking as pressuring rayn because i don't see how you would be getting an allighnment read from it. That being said i think the slam thing is a really good place to put my vote right now and it kills two birds with one stone ##Vote Alakaslam Mafia. What the hell kind of two birds and no reasoning at all, just sleeping Rayn which Rayn has posted so much he probably thought it was town sentiment. Another reason my Rayn respect is high. Yes, you could be "sheeping me" because you know i think Slam could be mafia for the same reasons you laid out. That's what he is saying, or like, that's his conclusion. Which is not totally out of this world. I see what you are saying but i don't see how the comment that "i think I am following thread sentiment even though its just you and you've posted a lot" fits in when you had hardly talked about it. Like if i then think oh rayn is going to scumread slam for this reason ill do it first because that would be good. Then no im not following thread sentiment im trying to pocket you or w/e. What slam originally said didn't make sense and when I pointed it out he didn't say that I was misunderstanding him so im not going to assume that he ment something else when it is clear to me what he said doesn't make sense. Dude is this your first time being scum? For your next game: you skimmed the thread and picked up on the general few people weakly agreeing with what Rayn mentioned all the time in passing and made a few strong key statements about. This made you think there was good reason and thread sentiment there to get me lynched. Rayn has been dissonant In a way the people at smashboards think is a tell (I am a little surprised none of the newbies except NK picked up on it) because they aren't so good as they think they are. Rayn has talked about me in a post saying I am just shy of confirmed scum and then voted someone else. He was pushing me hard, saying a good bit about NK, and then BAM- votes NK, not me. That's usually considered scummy, but I know what he is doing and besides it isn't actually as scummy as people think. Regardless, it threw you off but set you up with an excuse to vote me. This is also why k am hoping GB is on your team. Doesn't this mean noobking would have to be mafia in order to Breshke be mafia? Otherwise the "throwing off" makes very little sense. I can't see that world. If noob was scum with bresh he would not defend me, he would vote me. Or he would tell bresh to stfu ... does not really answer anything. Basically you are saying that "rayn went -BAM, votes for n00bking. That threw Breshke off". Now if you assume Breske is mafia for that -> trying to find a different target because he got "thrown off" that has to mean n00bking is mafia, because otherwise there is no reason for Breshke to be "thrown off". Like your argument is "Breshke is mafia because he got thrown off for rayn suddenly voting for a townie". It makes literally no sense. You are completely capable of pushing two town as town.
can you jsut answer the fucking question?
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On September 06 2015 05:20 Superbia wrote:
Are you hoping he's town?
I am waiting to see what happens for now. But yes, I am hoping he is town because we've done good work in the past.
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On September 06 2015 05:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:To be fair, rayn did make a good point here: Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 11:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Moosy i see a certain difference in his play (and in the last game) here and in his play on those games.
He as mafia picks a target and pushes it into oblivion.
He as town, well see my last post and turn it around. He actually listens to other people. hm...this is a good point. i'll back off of n00bking for now and give him some space to respond. But I don't think it's enough to completely lynch n00bKing yet. Either way, it's standard town!n00bKing manner to see if he's working on a big case or not so I'm willing to wait and see what happens.
well you've bee nsaying this for like 15 hours and there has been nothing from him.
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coughing hydra is probably mafia because of undick-move analysis.
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All right. You will be able to read him based on the case he's presenting, right? Or do you think just him posting a big case identifies him as town?
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On September 06 2015 05:25 Superbia wrote:
All right. You will be able to read him based on the case he's presenting, right? Or do you think just him posting a big case identifies him as town?
I will be able to read him based on the case he is presenting and how he presents his line of thought in the case.
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On September 06 2015 05:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 05:25 Superbia wrote:
All right. You will be able to read him based on the case he's presenting, right? Or do you think just him posting a big case identifies him as town? I will be able to read him based on the case he is presenting and how he presents his line of thought in the case.
well his line of thought on his case currently is scummy as fuck.
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On September 06 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
coughing hydra is probably mafia because of undick-move analysis.
mmm...i would normally be fine with lynching CoughingHydra for what he's done so far, but this is a Newbie game and i can see his behavior coming from a fresh newbie. so i'm going to reserve judgment until NocturneMage gets here.
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On September 06 2015 05:05 Superbia wrote:
Also hi replacement.
Hey everyone. Just started reading. If there is anything in particular I should pay attention to as I catch up, give me a shout.
Also RL related - I work in the ER so if I'm at work overnight and something pops up, I will be forced to suddenly disappear from the game. The coming week should not be too crazy hopefully.
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On September 06 2015 05:32 NocturneMage wrote:Hey everyone. Just started reading. If there is anything in particular I should pay attention to as I catch up, give me a shout. Also RL related - I work in the ER so if I'm at work overnight and something pops up, I will be forced to suddenly disappear from the game. The coming week should not be too crazy hopefully.
just post reads after you're done catching up. you're actually a point of contention.
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On September 06 2015 05:32 NocturneMage wrote:Hey everyone. Just started reading. If there is anything in particular I should pay attention to as I catch up, give me a shout. Also RL related - I work in the ER so if I'm at work overnight and something pops up, I will be forced to suddenly disappear from the game. The coming week should not be too crazy hopefully.
1. Look at opening posts.
2. Look at rayn/yamato interaction.
3. GB (fake) claim.
4. Look at rayn/noobking interaction.
Following people:
- noobking
- copcake
- slam
Comments on them in near future pls.
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