EPTAnyway, why don't we just have a majority + plurality.
Majority = hammer
If no hammer before deadline, deadline plurality.
ez.
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Anyway, why don't we just have a majority + plurality. Majority = hammer If no hammer before deadline, deadline plurality. ez. | ||
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On August 22 2015 09:16 Tictock wrote: As cohost. I support this  Why aren't more people signing up for BH's amazing game of awesomeness? Maybe there will be cookies for everyone post game! Hint: + Show Spoiler + I think I am still the only player on the forum who has baked a cake for mafia purposes. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13635986 | ||
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On August 24 2015 18:35 Fidei86 wrote: Okay so this roster actually looks really good. If I /in, do people promise no spamerino? Because I just don't have the energy to keep up with another game like Himalayas. On August 11 2015 17:00 Blazinghand wrote: 4) raynpelikoneet 10) marvellosity 11) justanothertownie We just need holyflare as the fourth horseman of the spampocalypse | ||
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On August 24 2015 19:12 justanothertownie wrote: Did she even produce a 50 page filter yet? She has come close, she learned from the best. | ||
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rsoultin has like 2% chance of being mafia. | ||
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On August 26 2015 18:49 marvellosity wrote: why are you giving such a confident townread to rsoultin when you townread her off her opening posts last game and she was mafia? I forgot about that. But this time I'm sure. | ||
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1) She said of all the people that had posted JAT was the most likely to be mafia. I was very, very much in agreeance with that. 2) she put VE and WoS in the "same category". I don't remember how or why she put it, but I had already mentally noted them as null. | ||
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On August 26 2015 19:07 marvellosity wrote: nice. 2 null reads after a couple of nothing posts from the two in question is enough to make you feel good about someone calling them null. Cool beans. I clearly said the other point was more important. If you could just go ahead and not be a dick and do smart stuff so I don't have to waffle and shit that'd be great. | ||
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On August 26 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah? I would like to know what's the point of this when marv had done absolutely nothing at that point in time: This is blatantly attacking something that's super simple to explain for no reason. Jat clearly #1 lynch | ||
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The following people are town Kelsier rsoultin marv trfel moosy I don't remember these posting decon Vivax cheese bf hopeless I'm withholding judgement on these two for now WoS VE And this guy is mafia JAT | ||
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The idea is I'm expecting him to be a newer player (I don't remember playing with him) so I'm applying the generic "he is going to be awkward as mafia". Both the posts he made are completely non-awkward and the tone is extremely relaxed/casual. On August 26 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote: Don't forget the punctuation rule where perfect punctuation = 100% scum. On August 26 2015 11:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: whew, i thought DMLE Investigator was a role and started shitting my pants until I re-looked over the OP and saw it was VT in this game. He claimed VT | ||
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On August 26 2015 21:56 justanothertownie wrote: I would argue that it's the only relevant thing brought up in this thread so far. But if it's so easy to explain then go ahead and do it. I DON'T EXPLAIN THINGS TO MAFIA | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:00 marvellosity wrote: sure you do, usually in some kind of thinly veiled smug glee. yeah, but in this case the glee I'm getting is imagining JAT's frustration when he's about to get lynched without there being even a case against him. Then he can go to the obs QT and claim he got correctly lynched for the wrong reasons like he always does. | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:00 justanothertownie wrote: Let me clarify - I don't think it is possible to reasonably explain this at all. I mean we can see what he comes up with but the fact that he posted this is probably way more indicative than whatever justification he comes up with. BE GONE VILE MAFIA. AWAY WITH YOUR BULLSHIT. | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:04 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, yeah Palmar. You can continue to be an idiot while the adults discuss things that are relevant to the game, ok? Mafia. I am not an idiot. I prove that by pointing out it's not me who asked the dumbest question in the thread and is trying to smear shit on the shining beacon of confirmed townie that is trfel. That's you bro. | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:08 marvellosity wrote: honestly i don't know why jat's question was dumb. Are you an accomplice? | ||
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Completely opposite cheesecake I thought VE withheld the scumread because he's doing the dumb "I know something you don't" that mafia love to do. He probably doesn't even have any. But I don't care. He's only like 60% mafia. JAT is 100% | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:11 marvellosity wrote: possibly an accomplice in stupidity i don't understand why someone would ask someone's opinion on a player after 2 posts totalling 4 words, and i don't understand why questioning this is the dumbest thing in the thread. i'm sure i'm missing something super obvious a) I've repeatedly and often bragged about being the one person who lynches you correctly on day 1 (it's true, mind you) so awaiting my opinion on you is to be expected. b) Even if you find it unreasonable JAT is making it out to be something we should investigate Trfel on, which is complete bullshit. There is no way trfel is mafia because of this. If he is mafia, this is the last reason he is. | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: And this means I should be paranoid about him acting towny under Palmar's pressure? I find it more likely that JAT is just town. There are a lot of faces that I know are considered to play well, but I'd rather just lynch objectively and put he paranoia aside. If I lose to somebody playing well, I'm OK with that. Jat is in no way townie in his response. Also he seems to have forgotten I may be mafia | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:22 rsoultin wrote: no it means the reason for your townread is bad, and if the reason for your townread is bad and there are reasons to think he's mafia you shouldn't be an rsoul and wait until the night before lylo to go oh shit i'm a numbnuts and now the guy who always wants to lynch me in lylo has to be convinced i'm just a numbnuts and not mafia and we should lynch the guy i was derping on @.@ tldr is that the best you've got to think jat is town? Preach sis | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:26 MoosyDoosy wrote: aye aye ayeeE. Glad to see people think i'm town.  People are fickle though you should start doing townie things like voting jat | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:28 KelsierSC wrote: well i said trefl was town i think rsol is likely town aswell a lot of good players are posting so it's hard to give a read that I can be sure on, like I agree with a lot of what marv is saying and how he says it pleases me but he does that every game so i can't be 100% Call me town too babe | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:39 marvellosity wrote: why? Palmar is very much usually the primary arch-waffler on my alignment, even when it's obvious to everyone else that i'm town. i get the bum end of the deal where i constantly have to protect Palmar from lynches but he gets to question my alignment even when i'm blatantly town it's sad This game I'm calling you more town than you me | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: Yeah this. I don't really see much on JAT. If he's mafia, he'll still be mafia later in the day anyway. I think we should focus on Trfel rite now. NO QUIET! | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz I 100% think jat is mafia | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:49 rsoultin wrote: lol an early d1 case from two tonereaders is bad? no shit sherlock doesn't make him town i'm going to tell you a story about a glowingbear. there was once a glowingbear. he likes to say WHARGARRBLE and do the forum mafia version of a paranoid schizophrenic off his adhd meds. he writes cases on mafia marvs and holyflares that are so shitty you need a plunger. but if there's a glowingbear with a marv or hf scumread and you don't give it a little credence you're an idiot, cause he's usually right for the wrong reasons lol >< jat doesn't sound like jat (parroty but actually adding to the discussion in his own parroty way) and his sole claim to fame is a question that's at best zzzzz while doing nothing else productive he is probably scum and it doesn't matter if the "case" is good or not Best player na | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:53 KelsierSC wrote: well i mean...what exactly is your issue here because marv said JAT was n/a and it was palmar and rsol who had the case/read marv actually said he thinks JAT is mafia On August 26 2015 22:08 marvellosity wrote: honestly i think jat is mafia. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:00 MoosyDoosy wrote: oh ok i found the meta thing about marv that annoyed me. The Cheesecake one and about how he's incoherent as town while he makes sense as mafia. this is true though. CC can be a bit difficult when he's town | ||
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But I know marv gets off of poking things so whatevs | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:04 MoosyDoosy wrote: I dislike meta reads esp in D1. I would understand if there were several days and someone's meta was consistently off during those days, but using meta as a D1 lynch just feels meh to me esp since I've never played with JAT, palmar, or marv. I'll help you with meta. JAT's meta is mafia. So by that logic, he must be mafia this game. Apply votes accordingly | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: And yet, the case on JAT appears to be mostly meta. According to Rsoultin "doesn't matter is the case is bad, jat is mafia" And you appear to be looking for an inlet into lynching him. There is literally not a single thing in my case on JAT that has anything to do with meta. | ||
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I kinda agree with marv But I know rsoultin gets off of poking things so whatevs | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: Like expecting me who's never played with JAT to just trust you all and go lynch him is you guys thinking wrong. If you guys are trying to make me vote for him, then you're going to have to come up with an actual case and points rather than just saying "trust me he is mafia because of what i remember, yeah". Which is why I'm saying rsoultin saying that JAT is mafia read because he's clinging to one thing is a good point because it's not just based off of meta. BRO JAT is mafia because he's trying to build a case out of something that is irrelevant. JAT is mafia because his opening was awkward and sad JAT is mafia because he tried to dismiss me instead of argue me. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: This is your case: The meta reads came from rsoultin who expounded on the idea of JAT being mafia for meta. At least I think that's what Rsoultin was saying. Also, marv told me that JAT is one of the best arguers as mafia when I brought up the fact that JAT stood his ground against you. I'm taking these reads as meta aside from your case. JAT has to stand his ground, if he doesn't he's already dead. Nothing to do with meta, if he shies away from the confrontation he will die. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:10 MoosyDoosy wrote: Okay, I'm saying i get that NOW because Tina just told me that it's not uncommon for you to be able to kill marv correctly off of only a handful of posts. I didn't understand the basis of Trfel's question before. Just trust me bro I'm right. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I honestly just want JAT to do something else so Palmar can call him mafia for it. Everything JAT does from now on will be looked on with scum-tinted glasses. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:12 MoosyDoosy wrote: where is wave. i need his thoughts. If his thoughts are anything other than "JAT is mafia" then he can stay away. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: This is actually true, didn't think of it like that. As either alignment he has to make that post defending himself. I don't think you're mafia But that post sounds like mafia. mehh~~~~~~ | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: This makes absolutely no sense. Why do you need wave specifically? probably because he knows wave? why do people think shit like this is relevant? | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:14 marvellosity wrote: can't be a has-been if you're a never-was ^ wow, what a bitch I was being generous. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: -shrugs- i regard him as a good player that's unfortunately rather frequently afk. why else would i call for him lol. yeah it's completely reasonable. Wave is like the 8th best player this game or something, we should wait for him. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Whoawhoa, I'm asleep for like 6 hours and already people are saying things like "I think JAT is mafia"? I hope that's a joke :/ I don't know what to think. On one hand I was hoping you'd fall in line and help us lynch scum. On the other hand, I haven't had a good opportunity to berate you for a while now. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:23 VisceraEyes wrote: Opportunities have been there, you're just getting old and missing them. I love how you're willing to take the fall yourself (admitting that there are opportunities to berate you all the time) only to take a potshot at me (old). Go read JAT or not, I don't care. What's important is that your conclusion is to vote him. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:44 justanothertownie wrote: No, she kinda doesn't. I value my own opinion higher than this? What? I am literally saying that I am right and Palmar/rsoultin are wrong and I will keep saying it. Hi mafia. How is your QT? has Vivax even posted in it yet? Are you mad? | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:48 KelsierSC wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/492282-tl-mafia-lxxii-gaiden-2?user=WaveofShadow fuck BH I agree FILTERS OR RIOT | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:48 justanothertownie wrote: You know that this does not make me mafia if there simply hasn't been anything else of note to say. Who did have things of note to say so far besides me? Noone really. Because Palmar and rsoultin are calling me mafia for the best observation that has been made so far and that is basically everything that happened so far scumhuntingwise. Even if you're town that observation is terrible and you should feel terrible for making it. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:49 marvellosity wrote: then we return back to my original point YOU HAD NO REASON TO DISLIKE THE METAREAD BECAUSE I WAS NOT TRYING TO GET ANYONE TO LYNCH CC OFF IT IN FACT IT WAS MERELY AN ADDENDUM TO THE POSTS I MADE REGARDING CC WITH STUFF THAT HAPPENED THIS GAME according to your own philosophy on metareads, you should have had ZERO issue with what i posted about CC. Why are you poking this so hard? Do you actually think this guy sounds like mafia? I agree he's inconsistent and bad, but mafia? I doubt it. | ||
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Eh.. I think I've played with you before? You're the guy who ragequit when he couldn't handle the heat right? | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote: ok and...? all this proves is that i dislike using meta reads. I'm like the #1 anti-meta spokesman around these parts. Hence, you should sheep me because of my anti-meta-meta. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Meh I think JAT is town and Palmar can lick a [redacted] lamppost in wintertime. WHO IS MAFIA THEN EINSTEIN? | ||
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On August 27 2015 00:01 KelsierSC wrote: ok this might be hard but pretend wave isn't in the game... can you give like a coherent list of your thoughts on JAT/trefl/palmar/marv/rsol scum/town/town/bad/town | ||
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On August 27 2015 00:08 marvellosity wrote: Palmar channelling his doppelganger, Robik I dare you to try and lynch me. | ||
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VE gets to live for today. Moosy is probably town. So the no-lynch list is currently: Palmar marv VE Trfel rsoultin Moosy | ||
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On August 27 2015 01:42 justanothertownie wrote: How about I will just keep doing whatever the fuck I please instead. noted for mad. | ||
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I guess that takes him back off the do not lynch list. | ||
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On August 27 2015 01:34 MoosyDoosy wrote: So you think Palmar could have read marv based on "heya" and "this is delightful"? If you say yes, then that means Trfel's question was valid. If you say no, then that means Trfel's question was weird and we need to take action on it. To be perfectly honest, the townread on marv is in large based on his "this is delightful" post, because I was also enjoying that conversation a lot. | ||
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On August 27 2015 01:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Quit angling for mislynches and I'll quit calling you mafia. <3 I have a very, very clear opinion on who I want to lynch | ||
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On August 27 2015 02:05 justanothertownie wrote: No, you won't and I am sick of your trolling. Go do something useful. So far you only tunneled on a townie and acted like a total asshole about it. Hi mafia. I am not trolling. I am not being an asshole. I have also done fuckton else. I have an entire array of people I'm townreading! | ||
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I think that is irrelevant and at best slightly townie (doesn't worry too much about mistakes). | ||
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On August 27 2015 02:18 justanothertownie wrote: Well, I am leaving now. It is wednesday and wednesday night is pubquiz time. Maybe I will return for a short while later, maybe I won't. Can make any promises about tomorrows activity since it is my birthday. When I return I will flat out ignore any further bullshit brought up against me unless I think it is alignment indicative. Currently I would look for scum between WoS, Trfel, Moosy and possibly CC between the people that have posted a little. Explain exactly why you think CC is mafia. | ||
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Mostly because mafia jat was mean to him. | ||
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On August 27 2015 06:36 Trfel wrote: Wait, why does this post sound like mafia? I thought it sounded a little towny? yeah I agree, it actually sounds kinda towny. | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:43 marvellosity wrote: no, i'm feeling kinda energetic (well not right this exact moment) so i may extensively meta him tomorrow to see if i can get anything i know he just got lynched as town for basically doing nothing at all of value, but i think he posted a bit more than he has here I want you to call someone mafia soon. | ||
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Stop pestering him about it evil mafia jat. | ||
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On August 27 2015 18:05 justanothertownie wrote: ##Vote: Trfel Worst player TL. Or scum. I guess that's more likely. | ||
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On August 27 2015 18:30 marvellosity wrote: Really don't like Trfel's rsoultin read. I think rsoultin really is "obviously town", unlike the person claiming that he is. You're making me really paranoid about you by even entertaining the notion Trfel is mafia. | ||
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On August 27 2015 18:39 marvellosity wrote: i don't care. you've just been shit all game. No, I've provided a ton of reads and opinions that are very valuable for town. You don't get to call me shit when you've just been fencesitting the whole thing and now you're taking the wrong side. | ||
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On August 27 2015 18:41 justanothertownie wrote: You are pretty late to notice this. He has done nothing else all game. This is so blatantly false. | ||
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On August 27 2015 18:42 marvellosity wrote: no you haven't. you've been shit. explain yourself. don't just say what i'm saying is all wrong, explain to me why a town Trfel who knows rsoultin very well isn't townreading an obviously town rsoultin stop throwing shit like a dickhead be useful for once in your pathetic existence. literally always useful, except when I'm not. I don't care what his read on rsoultin is. Within his first five posts of the game he tried to solve shit in a manner that makes sense (read his post about VE I think where he's questioning the structure of his post). He was like the first person (maybe aside from rsoultin) who I nodded my head in approval while reading the game yesterday. Maybe he wants to waffle on rsoultin. It's not like it matters, he's not actively trying to get her lynched. His bottom three look very agreeable to me. Maybe I'm just mad that he got called out for complete bs by mulitple people and I'm putting too strong of a townread on him because I hate it when people get called out for something they shouldn't be called out for. Rsoultin is town and he's a moron if he doesn't think so. It doesn't make him mafia. | ||
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On August 27 2015 07:13 Trfel wrote: 1. Palmar is very good at reading marvellosity, one of the best players on the site in doing so. 2. Palmar's thoughts on marvellosity can be useful for reading Palmar 3. The statement attempted to communicate that I didn't want to discuss marvellosity at the time (as Palmar wasn't awake) 4. Palmar and marvellosity are both in Europe, and thus wake up after I go to sleep, and thus will likely do more things before I wake up (as shown). I wanted to know Palmar's thoughts on marvellosity, not necessarily his thoughts on marvellosity's first two posts). Also, apparently all suspicion should be lifted now that he's been 100% reasonable. | ||
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On August 27 2015 19:00 marvellosity wrote: why didn't you just do this the first time? I thought I did? Maybe I forgot. I've been calling him town since very early in the game. | ||
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On August 27 2015 19:02 marvellosity wrote: I think you're also giving Trfel too much credit and not enough credit at the same time. I think a player capable of picking apart what VE wrote should be townreading a player he's intimately familiar with. I don't see why he's unable to do that as mafia... It's just so early and so tryhard. I don't think he can do that as mafia. | ||
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No you see, you started it. I'm just following through. If you had come out and said "In the name of the father (Palmar) the son (Trfel) and the holy spirit (rsoultin) I hereby declare my faith in the church of supertown and I pledge to destroy the mafia" we wouldn't have this problem. | ||
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Because it sounds like something a townie would say. | ||
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No bias just facts here. | ||
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Who do we lynch? Same question for jat? | ||
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On August 27 2015 19:13 justanothertownie wrote: So, I will be upfront with you right now marv: If I get mislynched today then I will be angry with rsoultin and Palmar if they are town because they acted retardedly and made me not want to play this game while jerking off about their incorrect and stupid read on me. But if people need to mislynch me once before they realize that this is not the way to figure out my alignment then so be it. I have no motivation to put up with this shit today. I will not be angry with you because you have been reasonable all game. That you aren't able to read me correctly is just very disappointing. YOU ARE JERKING OFF ABOUT AN INCORRECT AND STUPID READ ON TRFEL SO FUCK YOU BRO | ||
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On August 27 2015 19:16 justanothertownie wrote: Well, then shape up and read me correctly so you don't disappoint me. It's that easy. Confess traitor, make your faith in the church known. Call Trfel town. Maybe your soul can be saved. | ||
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On August 27 2015 19:17 justanothertownie wrote: 1) You do not know if it is incorrect or not. 2) Unlike you I haven't acted like an asshole about it all game. I'm mafia I have perfect information trfel is not on my team. | ||
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On August 27 2015 19:17 justanothertownie wrote: 1) You do not know if it is incorrect or not. 2) Unlike you I haven't acted like an asshole about it all game. I have literally never been an asshole. I have called your question irrelevant, easily explained and frankly dumb. And I have also called you mafia repeatedly. That doesn't make me an asshole, it just means I'm playing the game. You're the one who has resorted much more to namecalling and shit. | ||
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On August 27 2015 19:20 justanothertownie wrote: I will not get in an argument with you about this. We both know that half of your posts this game you only purposefully tried to get me on tilt. That's false. You're just mad because I'm calling you mafia. | ||
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On August 27 2015 19:20 marvellosity wrote: tbh, jat, i remember you making me feel really guilty last time you were mafia and i was waffling on you :p i don't see you getting out of this one unless you turn it on somehow Btw, if you decide we shouldn't lynch JAT, I'll drop it immediately. Because that way I can blame you for waffling me out of lynching him if he actually is mafia. | ||
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On August 27 2015 19:24 marvellosity wrote: why do people put this pressure on me? T.T since when would you let me get you to drop a strong read you have? lol ![[image loading]](http://djslawnandyard.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/hedge.jpg) | ||
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#1: He called WoS scum when he joined the wagon. That pleased me. #2: He warned Vivax that being a dumbass might get him lynched (I kinda believed jat's frustration in that post). | ||
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That is such a shitty point to pick on ![[image loading]](http://www.wpclipart.com/food/breakfast/waffle/waffle_round.jpg) | ||
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With trfel and jat off the table. Who is the #1 lynch. (And don't say "read my filter"). | ||
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On August 27 2015 19:37 marvellosity wrote: i so very enjoy not answering you though  and if i wasn't 1 billion percent town already, i just haggled with my other half to re-arrange his evening, so i won't workout tonight but tomorrow instead, because if i exercise tonight i'll basically have 0 time to play (as i have a lot of other things to do besides) That's your choice but I take no responsibility in later days waffling if you're intentionally being a dick to me. You know I will tilt if we don't get mafia for like 2 days and I will call you mafia if you're still alive. | ||
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On August 27 2015 20:00 marvellosity wrote: the thing is, you don't get to ask me for things, ever I know. And you don't get to whine when I call you mafia for it. | ||
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JAT you're NOT being lynched for no reason. You're being lynched, in part because of the expectation that you're not shit at mafia, for making an observation/comment about that was very easily explainable about a guy who is going to flip town this game. Then you keep pushing that same person for awful reasons. Sure, you may just be town and wrong, but I'm applying the expected standard that if someone is obvious town you should not be going after them. Or I'm wrong. But I doubt that. | ||
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If Trfel flips scum, I'll admit I was bad and you were right. If Trfel flips town, you admit you're a baddie and there were real good reasons to lynch you. The downside for you is you have to admit you're a baddie even if you yourself are mafia, not just if you flip town. | ||
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On August 27 2015 21:12 justanothertownie wrote: No. I have to put up with it because people started it once the day began and never stopped and I can't even defend myself against it because the accusations went like "you are not like yourself(LOL)" or "I will not adress what you brought up about X but it is definitely terrible" or " you aren't as towny as I would like you to be in an ideal world". But this argument is really getting old now. This is also blatantly false. I have multiple times said that all you need to do to defend yourself is to accept Trfel as your lord and savior. | ||
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On August 27 2015 22:45 marvellosity wrote: Trfel really was/is not obvious town, not from a handful of posts about VE at the start Don't care I'm dug in now. I stand and fall with this read. | ||
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On August 27 2015 23:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I'm not crazy right? That's a blatant inconsistency between thoughts/actions and he then parks on a modkill. That's fucking scummy as shit right? No it isn't. | ||
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On August 27 2015 23:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Go away, no one is talking to you scum. Bads gonna bad. | ||
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On August 27 2015 23:18 VisceraEyes wrote: And mads gonna be mad. You mad your scumbuddy Trfel gonna get lynched instead of based town JAT? Depends on the odds you'll give me. | ||
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On August 27 2015 23:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Nah I've opposed you before. I'ma let you be wrong on JAT today and push your scumbuddy tomorrow. Like a baws. Good! Here's a really, really serious question to everyone in the game: WoS VE Vivax BF Deconduo CC JAT There is mafia, probably 2-3 in this group of players. If we remove JAT from this pool (just for the sake of conversation) who do we lynch? | ||
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On August 27 2015 23:22 VisceraEyes wrote: I mindmeld with you early game, you null read me. I find ACTUAL THREAD RELEVANT EVIDENCE that someone you've been calling mafia is ACTUALLY mafia. You're not convinced. When did you lose all respect for me entirely Wave? He's mafia, that's his secret. | ||
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On August 27 2015 23:24 marvellosity wrote: in all seriousness, what is your read on Wave? you caught him nigh on immediately last time he was mafia and you were town Yeah but he got unreasonably mad that game. I have no real opinion on him. I just read deconduo's filter. I kinda wanna lynch him but I'm also just really mad he's playing like this, whatever his team is. | ||
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On August 27 2015 23:31 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay I just filtered CC. I think given what I found on my catchup regarding Trfel, he's a better lynch than CC. CC's thought process actually kinda makes sense re: Wave, I just didn't like the tone and way it was presented. Trfel is actively and objectively scummier, and there's the added bonus of it infuriating Palmar the Mafia. ##Vote: Trfel Yeah screw this  I'm just going to sit back and watch this train wreck unfold. | ||
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On August 27 2015 23:38 justanothertownie wrote: How can I be mafia for misreading Trfel and WoS mafia for reading him correctly in a TMI kind of way at the same time? THat seems pretty impossible. magic | ||
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On August 27 2015 23:38 VisceraEyes wrote: You and Palmar are only two votes. I think my content on Trfel is better than anything either of you has presented. No offense intended of course. I love the phrase "No offense". No offense but you're a moron. It's like a get-out-of-jail-free card for saying whatever the fuck you want. | ||
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On August 27 2015 23:39 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm hoping this game is as easy at it seems. On the surface the mafia is like: decon Vivax bf and we win. | ||
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On August 28 2015 00:16 rsoultin wrote: Beards are itchy :0 And catch nasties :/ Beards are only itchy and shit if people don't take care of them. Gotta oil that shit up and keep it clean. | ||
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The beard is, that is. | ||
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On August 28 2015 00:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Well it probably looks better with my new haircut. Checkmate. hmm I have a hipster haircut | ||
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It's highly likely tbh. | ||
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On August 28 2015 03:45 justanothertownie wrote: And his Trfel push seems genuine too. Genuine and wrong | ||
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On August 28 2015 06:54 marvellosity wrote: i'll sheep you if you can say something clever I fell asleep and now it's too late I think. Why did we go with these two over Vivax? bf is being completely unapologetic about being afk (and voting jat) and hopeless is... idk. actually I think I'll switch to hopeless. I have no idea honestly, but I kinda doubt that either of them is mafia. | ||
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On August 28 2015 06:57 rsoultin wrote: lol if they're town who is scum palmar blah this game -_- take your pick Vivax WoS JAT Deconduo + 1 guy I missed? | ||
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? Of course I am, I had no intention of lynching bf ever. If you read my filter I think that's quite obvious. I think it was a bad lynch. I don't really have a reason to believe hopeless is mafia, but bf was clearly enough not mafia for me to decide not to sheep you. | ||
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On August 28 2015 07:26 Vivax wrote: Not particularly impressed by Palmar here, given he still thought jat was mafia and usually becomes lil adolf whenever he doesn't get his lynch. The game where he was all over GB comes to mind. I also think you're mafia if it helps. | ||
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On August 28 2015 07:28 justanothertownie wrote: This is true. But to be fair if Palmar is town then I think he only has me in his list because he is too proud/stubborn to remove me from it after calling me 100 % mafia. At least I didn't call trfel mafia. | ||
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Like no matter who is mafia, mafia is playing well. | ||
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On August 28 2015 18:22 justanothertownie wrote: Btw given how EVERYONE acknowledged how towny I am by now without even commenting on all the stuff I brought up (NOBODY did really) I am basically spewed town now. No you're still mafia. | ||
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This game is in the gutters. | ||
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Why can't we find mafia? | ||
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On August 28 2015 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Town: VE, marv, JAT, rsoultin, Vivax Town lean: KelsierSC, MrCC Mafia lean: Moosy, Hopeless Mafia: Trfel, Palmar Everyone else is very null. Even Wave, which is really disconcerting. I feel like I'm probably wrong somewhere in my mafia reads, and if I'm wrong on more than one I'd probably put Wave as a mafia lean at this point for being so forgettable. Wrong and bad. Maybe VE is appealing too hard to his own meta???? | ||
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On August 28 2015 23:42 marvellosity wrote: i do i know precisely why you think what you think, i just don't agree there was a game not so long ago where i was mafia with Palmar and i got quite annoyed he boxed himself into a corner because of how he tied himself to certain people, it's very anti-intuitive. he'll say himself that he'll hard townread his scumbuddies for no reason and then use these hard townreads to attack other people, just ask him I do this. | ||
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On August 29 2015 00:24 marvellosity wrote: (these are very much the sort of reasons Palmar uses more as town) so these are all posts i think are quite a lot more likely to come from a town Palmar than a mafia Palmar. I think I debunked your 1&4 ok, which leaves 2&3 as the reasonable points. tbh I do agree with 2, unless Palmar has some new reasons of his own to be less suspicious of jat. re:3, i prodded palmar more than once on his townread on Trfel, and it came down to him deconstructing one of your only posts. i think it's certainly a read town-palmar can make, and certainly one that he'd overplay with bias in response to his jat scumread. tldr: there are several posts that make me think Palmar is town, his tunnel/approach to reads seems largely in line with his towngame, you may have something with the lynch-jat thing and it would be nice if he could say more smart stuff so i don't have to be worried Such TMI, wow. | ||
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On August 29 2015 00:34 marvellosity wrote: don't tempt me, i will happily sit by and watch you get lynched for the giggles I'm not worried. Also, if a cop checks me tonight I'm going to be so fucking mad. | ||
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On August 29 2015 00:34 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh yeah and VE. VE I wanna do some teaming up with you. Not only can we get shit done I think it will help me cement my read on you one way or another. See this is my problem this game. There's a massive town circlejerk that basically includes everyone (by association) except like deconduo, hopeless, Vivax | ||
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On August 29 2015 00:39 marvellosity wrote: i would hope we can pick out the townie-looking scummies by picking off whichever the low hanging fruit is Yes this is exactly my problem with someone like VE. He is literally chasing things that will never happen. He has, by choice, made himself useless. And I don't even think this makes him mafia. He is going after people that are part of this mutual giant circlejerk. | ||
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On August 29 2015 00:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Yes and there's been a good reason for it. Unfortunately it means either someone (or someones) playing very well, likely beyond what would e expected of them, or we were right to lynch into those guys in the first place and we'll get there. Also I don't think it includes everyone because I'm only included for some people, cc isn't included, Trfel and ksc aren't included. Trfel is included. KSC has a huge filter but I don't remember much of what he said. | ||
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On August 29 2015 00:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah that's about what I expected marv. Like it's nothing I can be like "Oh yeah" because it's all based on your subjective memory of how he plays as one alignment or another. On top of that Palmar is a player who at least superficially tries to mimic his townplay as mafia, so using reasoning he'd use as town AS mafia is....not just well within his gamut, but expected. Anyway, I get what you're saying. I just disagree. Can you do everything again but assume that everything you've already done is wrong and bad? That'd be great. | ||
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On August 29 2015 00:49 VisceraEyes wrote: And it's posts like this that make me even more certain Palmar is mafia. I'm not useless by a fucking stretch. I'm giving my opinions and thoughts, and pushing my preferences. Just because Palmar is townreading someone doesn't make them off limits for lynch and by extension useless for me to push, but Palmar would have you believe otherwise. Yes you are useless. I am not mafia Trfel is like 95% town We are your #1 and #2 scumreads therefore you might as well just not be playing the game. | ||
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On August 29 2015 00:52 VisceraEyes wrote: And from my perspective Trfel has done nothing to warrant a 95% townread, so you stating as much is either you covering for a scumbuddy or trying to pocket a townie with TMI. On top of that you're intentionally trying to infuriate me by repeatedly calling me bad, which leads me to believe that you're TRYING to make me quit trying, which is a very mafia thing of you to do. I don't have agendas I'm not trying to make you go fuck it, I'm specifically trying to get you to assume you've been wrong so far and go do something useful. I'm enabling your success in a sort of dickish way. | ||
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On August 29 2015 00:56 WaveofShadow wrote: VE time to detunnel. Also palmar I assert that Trfel is only allowed to be 95% town if I am. I disallow this. | ||
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On August 29 2015 00:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah okay what the fuck ever, apparently it doesn't even matter what I think so who the fuck cares anyway? Actually I'm very interested in what you have to say. I'm just helping you out. You have done shit and reached a conclusion. Now I'm being such a helpful guy and telling you your conclusion is wrong, precisely to enable you to go back and reach a better conclusion. All I'm doing I do out of love. I am trying as hard as I can to help you succeed. Like it's so strange to be me in this situation, you feel like I'm being a dick, but I know I'm just helping you out. Unless you're mafia (which I think is ever less likely) I am literally trying to make you look better by removing the noise and errors in your conclusions to make them better. You're the one who doesn't care what I have to say. If you take your research, and supplement it with my help, it'll make it better. | ||
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On August 29 2015 00:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Well unfortunately that means I just can't trust your reads because you've proven them to be bad this game. Not really I didn't vote a townie yesterday, or at least I haven't been confirmed to vote a townie. | ||
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On August 29 2015 01:01 VisceraEyes wrote: I think the only way for me to be objective about this game is to remove Trfel/Palmar from the equation entirely. If they're both mafia it's gonna be a long fucking game for me, but whatever, apparently I haven't even been playing up to now anyway so there you have it. I'm gonna reread under the assumption that Palmar and Trfel are both confirmed town and see where that gets me. Great! I'm looking forward to this. | ||
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On August 29 2015 01:05 justanothertownie wrote: You DID vote a townie yesterday no matter how much of a saint you think you are. Maybe you didn't END UP on a townie. That remains to be seen. The vote is always a process. Also, you're mafia. | ||
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On August 29 2015 01:12 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, my mood tells me to sheep marv on palmar, palmar on Trfel and ignore every word palmar posts because his posts are literally cancer. lol But I'm surprisingly okay with this strategy. | ||
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On August 27 2015 22:43 Palmar wrote: Also jat, I offer you this deal. If Trfel flips scum, I'll admit I was bad and you were right. If Trfel flips town, you admit you're a baddie and there were real good reasons to lynch you. The downside for you is you have to admit you're a baddie even if you yourself are mafia, not just if you flip town. | ||
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I'm also not wrong on you if I never vote you at the day end and you're town. | ||
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On August 29 2015 01:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I hope we're not all waiting on me. I'm definitely not trying to re-read the game in less than twelve hours, not with my schedule anyway. I'll do so if I live through the night. In the meantime we can talk about players like Hopeless and decon. Players who have no horse in the race as it were with regard to Palmar/Trfel. For starters I thought the way Hopeless opened the night with "Well I'm fucked" was a little awkward in a guilty-conscience sort of way. Taken with his entrance to the tread, I think there could be a good chance of him flipping mafia. Thoughts? I moved off BF precisely because his filter did not come across as awkward at all. While obviously I had like 3 minutes to read bf and hopeless, I did not get the same feeling from hopeless' filter. It may not mean anything until I read more but still. | ||
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1: in a literal sense or manner : actually <took the remark literally> <was literally insane> 2: in effect : virtually <will literally turn the world upside down to combat cruelty or injustice — Norman Cousins> | ||
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On August 29 2015 01:45 Trfel wrote: Oh, but this is a really pointless question with no meaning. Have you no understanding of context in this game? But from the perspective of town who voted purely to save themself (and thus didn't have any confidence in the other wagon flipping scum), and just avoided being lynched, I suppose I can see it. I kinda think VE is maybe town bro. | ||
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On August 29 2015 01:46 Trfel wrote: How confident are you in this read? about tree fiddy | ||
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On August 29 2015 01:47 WaveofShadow wrote: What filter? All I got from him was the need to deliberately antagonize the people in this game. Those don't sound like mafia posts? | ||
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On August 29 2015 01:50 WaveofShadow wrote: They don't sound like towny posts. I'm not in the habit of letting players who don't play live to fuck us over later. Don't care, was right. | ||
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On August 29 2015 01:51 rsoultin wrote: -pokes at palmar- you think jat is still scum why? His soul is black | ||
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On August 29 2015 01:50 justanothertownie wrote: Correct. They sound like "should never sign up for a game of mafia again" posts though. Sure. Still doesn't mean yall aren't bad for lynching him. | ||
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On August 29 2015 02:04 Vivax wrote: ftr I'm also suspicious of Palmar until I see him lynching a mafia, and if the mafia was jat I'll still be suspicious of him But marv is exempt from this "must lynch mafia" policy? | ||
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We're gonna do it anyway, might as well get it out of the way and solve the game tomorrow. | ||
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On August 29 2015 20:40 justanothertownie wrote: This is awful. And completely true at the same time. I know it's awful. Something in this game is broken. Do you 100% believe marv's claim? | ||
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Townies Palmar Trfel Deconduo Marv VE Not quite scum but still.... Ksc Moosy CC Scummy Vivian 100% mafia/thug life chose him jat | ||
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There is something wrong, somewhere in this picture, and I just can't figure out what. The sad part is that most of my gut instincts have been right so far (bf bad lynch, rsoultin definite town). Hell WoS was more of a null to me, but I never tried to go after him. But by definition my gut instincts CANNOT all be right, because that means the game is unsolvable. I AM wrong somewhere, I just don't know where, and it's super frustrating. | ||
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On August 29 2015 22:49 justanothertownie wrote: You know what annoys me about Palmar? Not only this pathetic need to stick to his joke about me being confirmed mafia for no reason. There is nothing behind it. He isn't doing jackshit despite constantly complaining about the state of the game. Yesterday he said bf and hope are both town. There is no indication for a change of opinion from him but somehow he is now ok with lynching him. Since when does palmar not care if his townreads get lynched? He has absolutely no scumreads and still didn't even reevaluate about his Trfel stuff in the slightest even though there are very good reasons to do so. Not the slightest bit of thinking or paranoia. Thi is why you don't get to complain, there is no reason to take you seriously while you think this. | ||
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If I was I'd seriously be doubting marv's claim because 4 cleared townies (or 3 townies + 1 scum) on day 2 is incredibly strong for town. Masons are almost as strong as 1 shot cops, possibly even stronger with the mutual confirmation. | ||
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On August 31 2015 04:44 justanothertownie wrote: Please explain. Are you seriously saying CC calling you mafia is spewing you town if he is mafia? Because even for you that's too retarded. Yep | ||
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On August 31 2015 01:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Palmar is scum because of his relative disinterest in the game. His contributions to the game arent what id expect from a town palmar. His push on JAT was pretty bad and his refusal to reevaluate the game after a day 1 mislynch and just call people mafia is infuriating, and shows no actual game solving attempt. This is a "for the record" type of defense. I'm just informing you why you're wrong in case you're actually town. There is no disinterest, in fact, compare this game to my last few games and I've probably shown more interest. The push on JAT was justified. I admit I've kinda come around on JAT (I gave two reasons as early as back on day one as to why he might be town) but I still think it was an extremely weird attack to make on Trfel. The reason I don't reevaluate is that the gamestate doesn't offer it. Marv's claim is important in that sense. I still think Trfel is town I still think Marv is town (I would probably have waffled but as the single claimed bluerole in the game and having had reasons to believe he is town from earlier in the game, I am definitely just taking this) Decon is town based on marv's check I'm not actually pushing JAT There are reasons to believe VE is town (his frustration when I was forcing him to go along with my reads seemed genuine). I still believe Moosy might possibly be town based on being sort of straightforward and easy going on day 1. This is one of my weaker townreads. This leaves: Vivax CC Hopeless Of the three, I have the least reasons to believe Hopeless is town. Vivax might very well be mafia because I would have assumed he'd have taken a passionate stance at this point in the game, but it's a meta read and I don't really trust those. CC is just a complete null to me, I have no idea if you're mafia or town, like the sole reason I'm not sheeping marv and voting hopeless over you is I feel your push on me makes me extremely likely to be town if you're mafia, maybe I'm reading too much into it. | ||
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That's like the best scumtell I know. I forget that a person exists. | ||
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On August 31 2015 07:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: We are 100% lynching Trfel tomorrow I think this guy confirmed himself town by getting super emotional. But I may just be bad. I'm clearly having an off-game. | ||
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On August 31 2015 07:05 KelsierSC wrote: meh i thought hopeless was mafia and didn't want to be modkilled you could've like.... said so. | ||
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On August 31 2015 07:06 justanothertownie wrote: Well, in any case we are lynching him first and then Palmar better BLEEDS town if he actually is. we're lynching KSC before either of us, he's just a goon. | ||
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On August 31 2015 07:08 justanothertownie wrote: So, what the hell were you thinking if you aren't mason with Palmar? Not at all would be my guess. he was saving a townie which makes him even confirmederer than he was before #rekt town | ||
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On August 31 2015 07:11 Trfel wrote: Palmar, did I do something to annoy you? Are you holding a grudge against me? No I'm just having a bit of fun with these boys. | ||
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On August 31 2015 08:02 MoosyDoosy wrote: Mr. CC is probs town looking at his reaction. That or he's very good at acting. I agree with this observation. | ||
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On August 31 2015 17:12 justanothertownie wrote: I will humor you and consider you 2 masons for now but the first thing BOTH of you do day3 is hardclaim or whoever is alive needs to lynch you with fire. So if we assume this then your early Palmar comment was cleary some sort of shitty breadcrumb and I noticed something that was in fact not natural. AND PALMAR FUCKING KNEW THIS AND STILL PUSHED ME FOR IT. That's even more retarded then his push would be otherwise. Literally bush league level of play. such mad | ||
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there's like.... 10 people left, in the best of worlds 4 of them are confirmed (yes trfel and I are masons, I'm done trolling... sorry about that). this means we literally have 3 mafia in 6 people. If we can't figure out the mafia in Moosy jat CC Vivax VE Ksc we suck anyway. | ||
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If anyone doubts trfel and I are actually masons well... we have been hard, hard, hard defending each other for no good reasons since back on day 1. (if you want to know what's been going on in our mason qt, the answer is very little. we both seem to take the approach of mostly just posting our thoughts into the thread instead of keeping them secret). marv/decon. The only scenario I'm worried about is if they're both mafia. If one of them is mafia it is probably statisically best to ignore them and search for 2/6 mafia in the group of remaining players. I think we mass-claim tomorrow, with even doctors claiming, mostly because no one else should be blue than marv/trfel/I for the game to be balanced... in most situations. | ||
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On August 31 2015 18:48 justanothertownie wrote: And yes, you 2 being masons makes a ton of sense hence why I thought it was the case n1 already. But you need to stick to this. I might, I might also retract. | ||
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I kinda wanna say he's just town and I don't have to worry about it. | ||
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On August 31 2015 18:59 deconduo wrote: There is a very easy way to verify you are both masons together. Pick a time, and within 5 seconds of each other post both: - The solution to a relatively complicated equation - And the equation itself. For example something like: I think this is against the spirit of the game and I'm just not going to do it. | ||
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On August 31 2015 22:28 MoosyDoosy wrote: let me rephrase that. If I assume that you and Palmar are confirmed town then yes, I would have to say that deconduo has to be Mafia here. -squints- To be fair, I can see the crumbs that you guys were masons all along but I still find it annoying that you guys did the EoD shenanigans. It's not exactly crumbs. In the QT I wrote "I'm not gonna claim mason, I'm just gonna hard defend you all the time" | ||
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On September 01 2015 09:41 Vivax wrote: This game is really starting to get me mad cause we could have resolved this mason bullshit on last day and now instead we're stuck with Trfel and Palmar and Trfel keeps trying to push a mislynch on me and noone still is sure whether their claim is true. This post makes no sense. | ||
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On September 01 2015 12:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: and not to mention that mafia had 2kp on n1, which is something not usually had in normal 13 player setups Wasn't this a 14 player setup? | ||
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On September 01 2015 17:54 justanothertownie wrote: If we are assuming that KSC will flip scum which I don't really know why we are doing it but ok - I guess it's not unlikely: The masons need to survive 2 (!) nights until LYLO. That is awesome. If they manage to lynch 2 mafia before that they even become CONFIRMED. The absolute WORST play we could do right now is lynch into them unless we have really strong reason to disbelieve them which I do not see at all. We will NOT lynch Palmar or Trfel before LYLO. If they are real it is their duty to lynch scum or get shot before that. Such wisdom | ||
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is: Vivax KSC VE This is based on multiple things and I don't think I'm going to write too much about it. | ||
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On September 01 2015 09:41 Vivax wrote: This game is really starting to get me mad cause we could have resolved this mason bullshit on last day and now instead we're stuck with Trfel and Palmar and Trfel keeps trying to push a mislynch on me and noone still is sure whether their claim is true. I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia). On September 01 2015 09:41 Vivax wrote: This game is really starting to get me mad cause we could have resolved this mason bullshit on last day There is a logical error here by Vivax. The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax. So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this. Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted. I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here: 1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday. 2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true. I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that: a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then. I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality. I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today. | ||
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On September 01 2015 18:54 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, you will. You said you would give solving this game a try and now you will follow through with this. If you and Trfel are town then we still have a good shot at this if you try. yeah but I'm going to focus on the things I believe in. | ||
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On September 01 2015 18:56 justanothertownie wrote: CC was confused. This is basically a 13 player setup because the additional townie is balanced by the additional nightkill night1. yes, which means the 2kp is fairly normal and has no bearing to blue roles. | ||
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It's incompatible that he believes the mason claimed could have been resolved (without flipping) and that he has doubts that it is true. | ||
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I don't know why and I may be wrong. | ||
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On September 01 2015 21:24 justanothertownie wrote: Today Palmar and Trfel need to find the mafia in there and I will sheep. They have at least a 50:50 chance of hitting randomly in the group of 4 (that's if deconduo was framed/is gf - if he is town then it is 75 %). If they do not manage to do this we have a problem and they suck. Hey, you suck as well bro | ||
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On September 01 2015 23:37 VisceraEyes wrote: The masons were never real, they were never even believable. Palmar doesn't announce that he's a mason with someone on D1 the way he did on D1 with the Trfel Townread of Total Failure. Palmar fucking LYNCHES D1 claims, there's literally NO WAY as mason he as good as claims mason with Trfel on D1. watch me | ||
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On September 01 2015 21:46 justanothertownie wrote: Sure, but I know I am not mafia and you theoretically can be. If we win the game depends on if you manage to prove yourself if you are town. Actually it doesn't. I'm literally more worried we just keep lynching townies. | ||
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Look at my super cocky attitude regarding defending Trfel throughout the game. You KNOW this is the most Palmar thing in the world. Like I'm genuinely being an asshole with the extra information I have. Hell, I derided you so much for it when I was forcing you to re-evaluate your reads. Also, Marv died calling me town and defending me. That should count for something. | ||
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On September 02 2015 00:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Vivax needs to hardclaim and if he did visit jat. See this is what's wrong about the VE/Vivax thing. If VE is town and is unsure on Vivax, he claims the following: "I am tracker and I tracked Vivax to someone last night". If Vivax is hard-fakeclaiming (he's just a goon or godfather or something) this instantly catches him as he can't guess whom VE tracked him to. There's ONLY upside to claiming it this way, there is no downside. I don't know why VE didn't see think this. | ||
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This basically means that VE cannot be scum and Vivax town. Because Vivax would immediately call him out on it. The only possible options here are: VE Scum, Vivax Scum VE Town, Vivax Town VE Town, Vivax Scum | ||
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On September 02 2015 01:36 VisceraEyes wrote: "Plz VE, go read my painstakingly faked logs so they're good for something! I play like an asshole regardless of alignment but THIS game it makes me town! And lest we forget, I killed marv while he was reading me town!" Plz Palmar, you act like this is my first game or something. Also marv was starting to come around on you, so nice try. Literally marv's last post about me before dying: On August 29 2015 21:26 marvellosity wrote: Previous list actually missed Trfel off it last time, no-one seemed to notice marvellosity Palmar (i just think he's town tbh) deconduo (roll with the check) jat/moosy/ve/kelsier - I just don't know how to order these. I guess I might just have to, for the sake of ease, plump for jat being just town and not worry about it at all. But probably in one of the other 3 there is a mafia vivax trfel hopeless CC almost annoying that rsoultin retracted her townread on trfel, was hoping that slot was gonna be a gimme probably between the last 2 i guess. personally i wouldn't mind taking a punt and lynching CC, feels a little more ambitious. While i'd feel shitty if he were town and just genuinely playing a more straightforward game than of old, i just can't shake my feeling on him I am his top town, like the only guy in the same group as me is his goddamn greencheck. So no, he was not coming around on me. | ||
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On September 02 2015 01:34 justanothertownie wrote: Is this some sort of elaborate scumclaim? Unless you believe in a world with 5 blue roles he should be confirmed mafia to you. Yes. I kinda didn't realize (ie put together the pieces) until you just mentioned this, but yes, he is confirmed mafia. This now makes me feel like a boss for that Vivax case earlier. | ||
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On September 02 2015 01:38 justanothertownie wrote: Why are you so sure that Vivax is town and Palmar/Trfel mafia VE? From your perspective Vivax could absolutely be mafia. Scumbros b4 hoes | ||
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On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote: I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia). There is a logical error here by Vivax. The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax. So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this. Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted. I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here: 1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday. 2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true. I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that: a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then. I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality. I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today. On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote: I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia). There is a logical error here by Vivax. The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax. So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this. Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted. I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here: 1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday. 2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true. I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that: a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then. I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality. I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today. On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote: I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia). There is a logical error here by Vivax. The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax. So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this. Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted. I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here: 1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday. 2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true. I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that: a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then. I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality. I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today. On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote: I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia). There is a logical error here by Vivax. The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax. So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this. Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted. I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here: 1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday. 2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true. I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that: a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then. I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality. I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today. On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote: I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia). There is a logical error here by Vivax. The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax. So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this. Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted. I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here: 1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday. 2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true. I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that: a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then. I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality. I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today. On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote: I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia). There is a logical error here by Vivax. The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax. So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this. Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted. I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here: 1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday. 2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true. I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that: a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then. I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality. I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today. On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote: I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia). There is a logical error here by Vivax. The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax. So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this. Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted. I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here: 1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday. 2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true. I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that: a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then. I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality. I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today. On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote: I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia). There is a logical error here by Vivax. The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax. So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this. Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted. I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here: 1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday. 2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true. I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that: a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then. I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality. I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today. On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote: I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia). There is a logical error here by Vivax. The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax. So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this. Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted. I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here: 1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday. 2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true. I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that: a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then. I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality. I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today. On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote: I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia). There is a logical error here by Vivax. The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax. So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this. Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted. I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here: 1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday. 2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true. I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that: a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then. I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality. I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today. On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote: I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia). There is a logical error here by Vivax. The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax. So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this. Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted. I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here: 1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday. 2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true. I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that: a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then. I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality. I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today. On September 01 2015 19:04 Palmar wrote: I'm going to explain why this post makes no sense now. (And in the end it makes Vivax mafia). There is a logical error here by Vivax. The truth value of the claim between Trfel and I does not change depending on when or how we claim it. It's either true, or it's false. There's only two options here for Vivax. So how could the mason situation possibly have been resolved yesterday? Is he implying that if we claimed when someone (maybe himself I think?) demanded it, then we would have been confirmed? Because that is a super strange way of thinking about this. Is he maybe implying that he would have accepted the claim then proceeded to lynch one of us to confirm it? Again, that would have been both stupid and unwarranted. I'm going to paraphrase Vivax's post to get the message even clearer, there are two important statements in here: 1) We could have resolved the mason claim yesterday. 2) No one is sure whether the mason claim is true. I listed (above) the only two ways I believe these sentence can be true together. Either if Vivax believes that: a) Palmar claims when he demands it = MASONS CONFIRMED b) Trfel claims when Palmar is about to be lynched = MASONS SCUMMY This makes no sense because a) is just retarded if he has ANY reason to suspect us. If the ONLY reason Vivax believes we're scummy is the timing of the claim, then he's not considering eveyrthing that had happened in the game up until then. I hope this makes sense, but I'm actually really sure about this. The post is illogical and clearly shows Vivax is saying something that is out of touch with reality. I'll sheep people on KSC because I think he's mafia, but I think Vivax is the prime lynch today. | ||
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On September 02 2015 01:45 justanothertownie wrote: No Palmar, this whole case is easily explained and I already did so -.- your explanation (and I mentioned this) is that he randomly lynches mason claims just because. That's retarded anyway. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24788685 read the replies. In hindsight it's a hilarious passage. Let me paint a picture. 4 English gentlemen sit in a burning house and sip their tea. "aye chaps the house is on fire, someone ought to do something about that" "absolutely my good sir" "we must act at once!" "hear hear" And then they continue sipping tea. | ||
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On September 02 2015 01:50 VisceraEyes wrote: It's not random it's based on his reads and IF you're town it confirms the OTHER one of you for town. How is that retarded? Can you find marv coming around on me? Or did you just lie about that? | ||
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On September 02 2015 01:56 VisceraEyes wrote: It wasn't a lie, it was me misremembering. I think maybe I was thinking of you saying you had an urge to lynch marv and I flipped it around or something. At any rate what marv was reading you as is completely irrelevant because A.) stuff has happened that would affect that read and B.) you would kill him as mafia while he's townreading you because it's late game and that's what you do to marv late game when he's town and a cop. So we can all agree I am town then right? Cool. | ||
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On September 02 2015 01:56 VisceraEyes wrote: At any rate what marv was reading you as is completely irrelevant Just savoring this for later. | ||
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On September 02 2015 02:01 VisceraEyes wrote: We're never lynching VE. Ever. Oh we are. But first we lynch Vivax. | ||
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When Vivax flips scum and confirms me town, I also think VE is 100% lock mafia. | ||
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On September 02 2015 18:44 justanothertownie wrote: Vivax/VE/Kelsier is a possibility but 100 %? We will see. If VE is mafia with Vivax they screwed themselves over with their claims. If you assume mafia plays optimally (which we shouldn't necessarily but it is a thing to keep in mind) then VE cannot be mafia with Vivax. The fact that there is NOTHING coming from Vivax is a good sign. And Trfel I expect you to reveal your reasons for a possible world with VE and Vivax as town with enough time left in the day. If you retract your mason claim I will lynch the shit out of you regardless of your alignment. VE would never ever try the shit he tried today to call me mafia with a flipped marv town calling me literally top town. There is no way he respects marv that little. | ||
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On September 02 2015 23:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax Mechanically best play. If town, the game automatically goes down to final three. If Vivax comes back and does some weird shit in the last hour or two do NOT take votes off him. The only thing we should pay attention to is if VE was lying or not about him visiting JAT N2. I only care about his words on this if he flips town. there is almost a 100% chance VE is not lying. | ||
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It's never balanced. that's like (at best) 6 confirmed townies or something, or some mafia. | ||
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VE get strung up bro | ||
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He has now swayed me. I will change my vote to vivax. | ||
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On September 03 2015 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote: You keep saying I'm mafia then to try and get the lynch off Vivax you posit a world in which I'm town. Fucking got'em boys! Ah you're right he's trying to save mafia vivax, while you tracked the evil bastard. This clearly means you're mafia and he's town. | ||
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On September 03 2015 06:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Maybe his shit is getting to me. Just ksc has claimed scum in thread and nobody lynch him makes me eery yes, he's appealing to emotion. he has no alternative. I am town Trfel is town Marv is town that's literally all our blue roles, period. | ||
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On September 03 2015 06:45 Palmar wrote: Ah you're right he's trying to save mafia vivax, while you tracked the evil bastard. This clearly means you're mafia and he's town. To clarify the paranoid guy who's being a dumbass, he's town. the clean/correct guy, he's mafia. | ||
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I consider VE confirmed mafia | ||
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On September 03 2015 08:13 Trfel wrote: Can we lynch justanothertownie first? Just for fun? don't tempt me bro | ||
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On September 03 2015 08:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Cheesecake and Decon trying their black hearts out to put doubt on me, and Palmar is helping them. We doomed. call me confirmest town ever | ||
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On September 04 2015 05:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I pretty much refuse to believe that KSC AS MAFIA comes in and last minute votes like that. It's not like he's expressly going to be killed right? He'll get warned for inactivity like ^that^. So why come in and "claim mafia" or whatever if he's mafia? #prologics #lynchPalmar #townwins Look at this dead man talking. | ||
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I'm actually kinda happy with myself for being good beyond day 1. Normally I fall off a cliff at that point. Well played the rest of you. @WoS what do you mean demoralized playing with me? I'm not _that_ much of a pain in the ass? | ||
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On September 06 2015 19:20 Vivax wrote: Except that his tracker claim murdered me ... I think I would have gotten you lynched anyway. | ||
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On September 07 2015 12:19 Vivax wrote: The idea of Trfel being mafia was stuck in CC's head at the time, me being blue would have allowed me to push the fear that you and Trfel were mafia doing a play after KSC would have been lynched. I would further have pushed that notion by pointing out how you pushed me on that day instead of lynching the claimed scum KSC. What lost us the game is that we couldn't just proceed to lynch KSC and go on with the rest, me having claimed blue (either PGO or veteran) and VE doing something else, cause VE claimed tracker in his attempt to lynch Palmar and save KSC, but fact of the matter is that it ended up completely messing up my own plans mentioned above. I felt backstabbed by VE there cause I didn't see it coming. Still. I don't know how much you value my persuasive abilities, but I would have yelled and screamed to get you lynched (over KSC) that day. Maybe I'd have failed, who knows. But I was coming after you. | ||
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On September 07 2015 18:22 justanothertownie wrote: Bro, I had to tell you that Vivax was confirmed mafia from your pov :p Yes, because I didn't think about him being mechanically confirmed because I was convinced in my analytical conclusion. | ||
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On September 08 2015 00:35 justanothertownie wrote: Or I am just better than you people which is obviously the more likely explanation for it. | ||
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