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I really want to give MoosyDoosy a townread for: On August 26 2015 11:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: so I think I will.whew, i thought DMLE Investigator was a role and started shitting my pants until I re-looked over the OP and saw it was VT in this game. VE is def town because he is withholding information. As odd as that sounds, I'd think mafia would be more self-conscious about coming out early in the day and claiming to have some reads but refuse to give them until an unspecified later time. Palmar and Marv are both probably town, I'll figure it out later. Palmar more town than Marv because he likes Rsoultin as town. For Trfel, I disagreed with his first post: On August 26 2015 09:45 Trfel wrote: Generally, "yay" implies excitement or happiness. But this is boxerfred's only post so far. Were he actually excited or happy, I would have expected him to make more than one post (or at least comment on something). Anyway, hello. I felt like boxerfred's "yay" combined with his claim that it's the fourth game in a row was more sarcastic, like he wanted to either play mafia or a power role but failed to get either. Trfel and I had a different reading of that post, which is noteworthy. The calling out stuff like VE's conditional wording is meh. Calling out rsoultin's one post where the read on marv changed is towny of him to call out because it's a very specific distinction hat mafia have a hard time finding. So I'm back and forth on him. Kelsier is probably mafia. Calls out moosy/bf, guys that aren't here / haven't done anything notable beside an ambivalent first post. | ||
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Jat is town because he didn't just fall over to Palmar's pressure. He defended his position on the Trfel read and called it the most relevant thing in the thread. | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:16 marvellosity wrote: jat is one of the absolute best defenders/arguers as mafia there is on the forum And this means I should be paranoid about him acting towny under Palmar's pressure? I find it more likely that JAT is just town. There are a lot of faces that I know are considered to play well, but I'd rather just lynch objectively and put he paranoia aside. If I lose to somebody playing well, I'm OK with that. | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:22 marvellosity wrote: so getting a pretty decent townread from you is as easy as calling someone town that you think is town?? At the beginning of the game, yes. He gave a read I agreed with, and therefore I assumed he was town making the same assumption on Rsoultin. On August 26 2015 22:22 rsoultin wrote: no it means the reason for your townread is bad, and if the reason for your townread is bad and there are reasons to think he's mafia you shouldn't be an rsoul and wait until the night before lylo to go oh shit i'm a numbnuts and now the guy who always wants to lynch me in lylo has to be convinced i'm just a numbnuts and not mafia and we should lynch the guy i was derping on @.@ tldr is that the best you've got to think jat is town? Pretty much. I just liked how he defended his position. | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:23 marvellosity wrote: for the uninitiated, Mr CC is kinda known for being much more coherent and together as mafia than he is as town The fact that you remember this is awesome. Although my sig kinda gives it away. | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:32 marvellosity wrote: excellent, i can stop pursuing you now Excellent. | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:31 rsoultin wrote: lol <3 moosy can be town for the day (for the uninitiated in rsoul-ese, this means he got a d1 pass for posting what i thought) shhhh CC you're messing with my townread on you by saying you don't realize that it's a bad reason lol >< lol well you are townreading me for bad reasons, because I am townreading Moosy for bad reasons. So if I don't realize I'm townreading JAT for bad reasons, then just assume I am your twin brother in a far-off land who townreads JAT for bad reasons. | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:42 KelsierSC wrote: The question wasn't the best question ever but I don't think the case on him is that good at the moment it comes down to that q and him not being "jatty" What exactly constitutes "jatty"? And I actually agree with the first statement totally. I guess one reason why I think JAT is town is because the case on him is bad. | ||
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Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read. | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:49 rsoultin wrote: lol an early d1 case from two tonereaders is bad? no shit sherlock doesn't make him town i'm going to tell you a story about a glowingbear. there was once a glowingbear. he likes to say WHARGARRBLE and do the forum mafia version of a paranoid schizophrenic off his adhd meds. he writes cases on mafia marvs and holyflares that are so shitty you need a plunger. but if there's a glowingbear with a marv or hf scumread and you don't give it a little credence you're an idiot, cause he's usually right for the wrong reasons lol >< jat doesn't sound like jat (parroty but actually adding to the discussion in his own parroty way) and his sole claim to fame is a question that's at best zzzzz while doing nothing else productive he is probably scum and it doesn't matter if the "case" is good or not What has forum mafia come to? Have I missed the apocalypse? Or is this the beginning of a new era? | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:53 rsoultin wrote: several games (2-3 that i'm aware of?) palmar has caught scum!marv off of about that many posts and lynched him d1. jat is not unaware of this (he was in at least one of those games) so it's not a ridiculous thing for truffle to say it is however a ridiculous thing for jat to latch onto, and most especially a ridiculous thing to be the only thing jat latches onto +1 | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:58 MoosyDoosy wrote: This makes more sense and actually has the resemblance of an actual case. So your definition of an "actual case" is that JAT latched onto a particular statement that Trfel gave and it was the only thing he did. I agree that it's odd, and I'd probably lynch JAT if it was the only thing he did in an entire 48-hour period. However, you seem to be just looking for reasons to find JAT scummy. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:00 MoosyDoosy wrote: oh ok i found the meta thing about marv that annoyed me. The Cheesecake one and about how he's incoherent as town while he makes sense as mafia. Specifically why does this annoy you? | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:04 MoosyDoosy wrote: I dislike meta reads esp in D1. I would understand if there were several days and someone's meta was consistently off during those days, but using meta as a D1 lynch just feels meh to me esp since I've never played with JAT, palmar, or marv. And yet, the case on JAT appears to be mostly meta. According to Rsoultin "doesn't matter is the case is bad, jat is mafia" And you appear to be looking for an inlet into lynching him. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:06 Palmar wrote: There is literally not a single thing in my case on JAT that has anything to do with meta. This is your case: On August 26 2015 21:44 Palmar wrote: This is blatantly attacking something that's super simple to explain for no reason. Jat clearly #1 lynch The meta reads came from rsoultin who expounded on the idea of JAT being mafia for meta. At least I think that's what Rsoultin was saying. Also, marv told me that JAT is one of the best arguers as mafia when I brought up the fact that JAT stood his ground against you. I'm taking these reads as meta aside from your case. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:10 Palmar wrote: JAT has to stand his ground, if he doesn't he's already dead. Nothing to do with meta, if he shies away from the confrontation he will die. This is actually true, didn't think of it like that. As either alignment he has to make that post defending himself. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:12 MoosyDoosy wrote: where is wave. i need his thoughts. This makes absolutely no sense. Why do you need wave specifically? | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Morning guys! Gosh I'm super stoked to have a bunch of stuff to read. SARCASM DETECTED | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:14 Palmar wrote: I don't think you're mafia But that post sounds like mafia. mehh~~~~~~ That's what I get for reevaluating | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: -shrugs- i regard him as a good player that's unfortunately rather frequently afk. why else would i call for him lol. So you think wave is town right now? I'm operating under the assumption that if you need someone's thoughts on a subject that you would believe he is town, else he would lead you astray. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:28 KelsierSC wrote: like here is my issue with the whole thing "palmar caught marv in some games off like 2 posts so im waiting for palmar's thoughts on marv" for one thing JAT might not have known this was the case, trefl didn't even say this was the reason he wanted to get palmar's thoughts and even if JAT did know this happened he might have forgotten about it. with this in mind JAT asking trefl to explain his point isn't bad at all. I think we can all agree that JAT asking the question isn't very bad at all from an objective standpoint. Except Palmar. | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:33 VisceraEyes wrote: It was the way he called someone "bitch" in one game. Best to not think about things like that CC. You're sexy as hell btw. Consider me pocketed. | ||
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On August 27 2015 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote: ##unvote Should have just said marv/Palmar dominated game. Which is fine I suppose since they're both extremely likely to be town at this point. Let's see. Welcome back CC. First thoughts are that he's town because I remember him posting similarly to this in a couple of towngames we played together, that being said there is ONE old-as-hell scumgame of his I want to look back at (where he ragequit eventually 'cause his team was shitty or something?) because what someone (marv?) said about him being more coherent as scum could be true but I truly don't remember. 2-year-old meta meh anyway but I have re-embraced the use of meta recently to decent effect so we'll see. Tentative townread for the moment. Rsoul extremely likely to be town from interactions. Scummiest people stand out to me as JAT because the last time I remember Palmar going like this on anyone, it was on me when I was scum when nobody else ever catches me. Moosy because pocketing efforts when I am the only one in this game he knows to be 'good.' I say 'good' because I have been SUPER on point in the last whole bunch of games I've played (as both alignments for once) and Moosy correctly realizes that I could be a threat based on that. Which brings me to Fucking brutal guys. Is all of that really necessary? I actually have gained some confidence in my play for once and I refuse to let it be crushed by the likes of you. Unfortunately the fact that I'm not here means if either of the aforementioned are scum I won't have contributed at all to their lynches which is super bleh. ##vote: JAT This post makes Wave scum. Specifically, the text in bold. Wave comes back to the thread to see the popular scum-candidate JAT sitting on a wagon driven by Palmar. His read takes no consideration for JAT's actions this game. In fact, he says he respects Palmar's play enough on day 1 to sheep him without regard. Wave claims that he has gained some confidence in his play. If wave truly has gained confidence in his play (I.E. reads), then why is he letting Palmar, who may very well be mafia or just plain wrong about JAT, decide the lynch for him? Wave is blindly assuming that Palmar is town and correct without A) Assessing the lynch candidates motivations / actions and B) Looking at Palmar's push in and of itself. He doesn't even quote a post by Palmar and agree with the reasons. ##Vote: Wave On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote: You're sweet. I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep. I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read. JAT hits the nail on the head here. Wave's defense against this is basically "I'm better than this", which I find lazy. Regardless, Wave still fails to situate why he thinks Palmar's case is good. On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't really have much to say about that specifically. Palmar and marv have a super special bromance together that I can't explain accurately in any real detail. The way it seems to me is that Palmar tosses out reads super early just 'cause, some of which may be accurate and some of which might not be but he sticks with them and forces them if necessary, and re-evaluates in secret. In the scumgame where he caught me even though he forced his read on me all game he was actually constantly re-evaluating based on what was going on in game as was evidenced by his posting. For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right. As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno. When Wave extrapolates upon how Palmar plays, he admits that Palmar's early reads are 'just 'cause' and may/may not be accurate. How can Wave seriously think JAT is his top scumread / top vote for the day if he: 1) Has not evaluated JAT's actions, or explained why Palmar's case is good 2) Knows that Palmar's early reads are often 'just cause' 3) Is not sure of Palmar's alignment? It makes no sense to me. Palmar may have caught Wave as scum day 1 in another game and he respects him, but this course of action is scummy regardless of how you package it. It's incredibly convenient if JAT flips town, and then Wave can take no responsibility for the lynch. All I want you to answer @WaveofShadow: Why is Palmar's case good. Not Rsoultin's, or anyone else's, but Palmar's case. What does Palmar say that is convincing and makes the case against JAT generate a "fairly decent read"? | ||
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On August 27 2015 04:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Pretty sure in your giant filter case against me you could have discovered this yourself. Yawn. Not impressed. No, I could not. You talk about moosydoosy, palmar, and marv more then JAT in every instance. I found one post where you give a scumread on JAT because he was very forgettable early or something, but that has nothing to do with why you think Palmar's case is any good. | ||
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On August 27 2015 01:09 WaveofShadow wrote: I got some feels about it a little early on because I'm used to JAT being a fun-killer as town and wasn't getting any of that, and he was fairly forgettable early as well when he has no problem inserting himself into stuff. The fact that Palmar when ham super early makes it more difficult for ME to get a better read on him, but also the fact that Palmar is going ham on him so early is a good sign based on my recent experiences with town Palmar, so I am absolutely fine sheeping here. Certainly doesn't hurt that marv agrees and is 99.9% town. Kels asked you what specifically about Palmar's read is good, but instead you give a weak meta read that has nothing to do with Palmar's insistence that JAT is mafia. | ||
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On August 27 2015 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote: I mean it's pretty obvious that I'm hinging my vote right now on Palmar's insistence that JAT is scum and the 'weak meta read' as you say is enough for me for my vote to stay there. I'm sorry if you'd like for there to be more bu there isn't. If that makes me scum then go ahead. You claim to have improved confidence in your playstyle but this seem contradictory. So there is nothing you like about Palmar's case at all? Then why did you say that Palmar had a fairly decent read? There's a difference between sheeping because you think someone is better than you and sheeping because you think they have a good read. | ||
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On August 27 2015 06:16 WaveofShadow wrote: If palmar is voting for JAT because he has caught him based on super early palmar-type read then it can be both. Lol I really don't even understand your problem. You can call be scum for being lazy or something or attempting to pawn off a potential town flip but I don't even know what your deal is with this On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote: You're sweet. I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep. I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read. But you intentionally qualify your statement of "sheeping him" with the fact that Palmar has a fairly decent read. By saying "fairly decent read" you are submitting that you think Palmar's reasons, whether or not they came from Palmar or anyone else, are good. Your opinion is that Palmar's read is good. If you mean that: "I think Palmar's read is good because he is a good scum-hunter" has nothing to do with your PERSONAL opinion of the reasons for why JAT is mafia. Kels wanted to know what you thought was good about Palmar's read too: [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:09 WaveofShadow wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:05 KelsierSC wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push.[/QUOTE] You're sweet. I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep. I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read.[/QUOTE] what is it that is good about it?[/QUOTE] You clearly are not sheeping Palmar because you think his read is good, because you have not once given a reason as to why that is the case. So it is not "both" as you say. Either way, I think we are just going in circles. You are mafia for not evaluating the game critically, and refusing to even look at your current lynch target apart from, imho, a thin meta read. I do not think you have even read Palmar's reasons for wanting JAT dead. | ||
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On August 27 2015 06:58 justanothertownie wrote: Haha, you are a funny one. Weren't you the guy harddefending me earlier? And now you want to lynch me for being "objectively scummy" even though I wasn't even in the thread since then? It's midnight, I am drunk and I have to get up early tomorrow. If you think I will put any serious effort in right now you are delusional. Actually, I really only defended you because I didn't feel like Palmar and company didn't have much of a case on you. I figured you were probably just town and Palmar was going nuts for no reason. However, between then and now you have complained quite a bit about the situation, and I'm glad that you are / will decide to do things | ||
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On August 27 2015 10:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: Why exactly did you say that JAT was town earlier? What post/argument in particular made you change your mind. I said somewhere that JAT was town, but I didn't really have a reason for it. I thought that Palmar's argument was bad, and figured that JAT was just the victim of Palmar's rage. He was probably just town being attacked. I did think, though, the way he stood his ground against Palmar was townie. However, somewhere along the line I realized that no matter JAT's alignment he can't just back down. I still don't think that Palmar's case has any weight, and this meta stuff i don't care about. I told JAT I'd lynch him if he didn't do anything productive, and that's true. He's complained about Palmar scumreading him but hasn't really done much (scumhunting) to earn himself a pass for today. | ||
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On August 27 2015 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote: OMG PEOPLE I'm not voting JAT, that's the important thing. does anyone else find this post weird by VE? | ||
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It's really stupid. When he posted it in the thread --in the moment-- it felt like VE knew that JAT was town, and he was attempting to appeal to town by assuring them he wasn't voting him. Either that or he just didn't want to justify his position on JAT and wanted to put an end to the questioning. Looking back, it doesn't look like that. I was curious if anyone else had felt it | ||
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On August 27 2015 10:50 MoosyDoosy wrote: So...town read? scum read? null read? exactly where is he on ur list of reads. It's evolved from probably just town to nullish into I-have-no-idea lol | ||
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On August 27 2015 10:55 MoosyDoosy wrote: Why didn't you just read him as an angry townie and instead scum read JAT down to a null read? -shrugs- if you think there's no real case on him then he should be a town in your eyes. If that's the case, I think you should try to work with him to calm him down and get him to be productive. Instead i saw you scum reading him for being accused of what's "no real case" and getting angry over it. I agree there was / is no real case on him, but JAT's reaction to the pressure is pretty horrible because he isn't doing anything productive. I figure if he were townie he'd shrug off the pressure and just give his reads. Right? I think mafia have a higher propensity to get angry about being scumread. I also wanted to see his reaction to me flipping on him. His reaction was thus: On August 27 2015 06:58 justanothertownie wrote: Haha, you are a funny one. Weren't you the guy harddefending me earlier? And now you want to lynch me for being "objectively scummy" even though I wasn't even in the thread since then? It's midnight, I am drunk and I have to get up early tomorrow. If you think I will put any serious effort in right now you are delusional. It's part incorrect, part weird since he liked my posts about Wave. I also asked him nicely to be productive and rise from his ashes. | ||
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On August 27 2015 11:11 Trfel wrote: Hopeless1der is more likely to be scum than the other two because of meta. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491681-tropical-storm-mini-mafia Here you go. It's not irrelevant, it's very relevant, and very useful. Okay, so Hopeless is demoralized due to his last scum game and doesn't want to post. Or, he could just as easily be busy with whatever it is Hopeless does in his non-mafia time. Or he's town and just has no reads. Or he's just plainly disinterested in this game as either alignment, and is waiting to blow our minds. When his actual content within the realm of this game matches the game you've posted, then I will consider the information valuable. | ||
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On August 27 2015 11:12 MoosyDoosy wrote: I town tone read deconduo and boxer has done nothing. I don't really care to lynch either of them. Also, I am not most likely town this game. I've been playing very sub-optimally and have been deviating very far from my D1 meta which was a mistake on my part. -shrugs- But I'll make do for now until N1. Boxer has made an entrance post, which exemplifies his thrill for playing as VT for the "fourth time in a row"! The more you call yourself not-town the more town you are. | ||
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On August 27 2015 11:18 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm inclined to pressure deconduo and force him to give us reads. His absolute absence of any is rather worrying as he normally would have at least some. The only thing really going for him is tone reads. What exactly is his "tone" in his posts? I'm reading his tone as ambivalent, which seems null at best. The only post I saw sort of town was his "let me tunnel" post because it seemed excited, but that excitement was quickly extinguished by him not doing anything. | ||
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 ) as scum.Marv is more mafia for calling me mafia. #omgus A player with good analytical skills like that is hinging on a tone / old meta read and I don't think I've played a game as scum with him in it before. And I'm like his top scumread besides JAT, who he was waffling on superhard before. I don't get it. I still think Wave is mafia for not evaluating the game critically and letting Palmar do everything, it seems so textbook mafia. But he looks like he's been doing stuff since then, however mostly unrelated to figuring out JAT's alignment, which should be his number 1 priority as town. I actually agree with his point about KSC agreeing with the hopeless read, because the hopeless read is trash. The only problem is that I've been townreading KSC since ~a couple hours after I scumread him in my first post. But it's a matter of whether or not KSC actually agrees with the meta reasoning behind the read or not. He doesn't just agree because someone he admires said so, he agrees because he actually believes in a trash read. Wave asked a question to JAT, something along the lines of: "did your read on me have anything to do with CC" and jat replied that it did not. However, JAT called my posts absolutely true and good. ??? | ||
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On August 28 2015 00:50 WaveofShadow wrote: I mean...you're right, but considering what you seem to know of my play from your case, as which alignment do you think I'm more likely to do this? (yeah yeah WIFOM) I probably should actually objectively look at JAT though Only recent thoughts I have on him are needlessly belligerent for absolutely no good reason, and not in the towny way where he's attacking people kinda way Bold: Yes! DO THIS! That's what made me think less of him! | ||
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On August 28 2015 02:18 WaveofShadow wrote: CC did my seemingly 'do-nothing' case on JAT somehow convince you? How does that change your insistence that me thinking Palmar's 'pretty good' thing was scummy? Your case was OK. You truly go back-and-forth on JAT and that's what you probably would be doing if you're town, see a bunch of people pushing on him, and want to get a read. I've done the same thing with JAT. I don't think you make an entire case just to reaffirm your sheeping nature on Palmar as mafia. I still don't agree with voting JAT purely "because Palmar", and I think that you openly admitted that you never read JAT / Palmar's reasons for lynching JAT up until now. Do you do that as mafia? Probably not. Your interactions with JAT, too, are seeming like town-on-town. | ||
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On August 28 2015 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Nope. Done. I don't really see how anything I do though just in that one case changes what your original points were on me. The original points don't change. You never read / subjectively agreed with Palmar's case on JAT. You never objectively looked at JAT until now. But do you openly admit it as mafia and make a case to tell everyone that you are still sheeping Palmar? You even said it to JAT, why the hell do you do that as mafia? | ||
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On August 28 2015 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Well I mean according to JAT (and technically he IS right, I COULD very well do that as either alignment because I am very self aware of my meta---I just don't think it's scum-indicative) that doesn't change anything. I'm not saying it's impossible. I don't know your alignment. But it's far more likely as mafia you are more reserved about your voting intentions on JAT. Your pissing contest with KSC and JAT over the last page feels towny. Really, I don't even know why. I still think it's scummy to have come in the thread, and blindly sheep a person for reasons you don't even agree with / haven't read. I think player flips will be telling on your alignment. | ||
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He has given one read the entire first day: Lynch Trfel. The only other thing I can tell from Vivax's posting is that he may wish to lynch Wave, considering his last few posts asking about Waves read on me flipping. The question remains: what has Vivax done in-between? Most of it is asking questions. I'm not talking important questions, I'm seeing relatively useless questions which probably would not serve to strengthen Vivax's reads if he were town. Vivax's play consists mostly of asking questions which he never gets the answers to, doesn't follow up on, in addition to failing to give reads. Doesn't so much as comment on the JAT/Palmar stuff (he did once, to +1 one of my posts). I don't understand what Vivax's game plan here is if he's town. If you are in the thread now please read Vivax and let me know what you think. He's just skating by today. I want to see what Hopeless does after he reads the thread. | ||
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Wave is like textbook mafia. However, the book itself has faded print, torn pages, and most know the words by heart. Does he get angry as both alignments? Does he become this stubborn about sticking with Palmar as town? | ||
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On August 28 2015 03:18 justanothertownie wrote: I think you are wrong about that. Why is Vivax town? | ||
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On August 28 2015 03:20 justanothertownie wrote: I made a post about him a while ago. It did not say he is town. I called him likely mafia after that too. Oh, you were saying I was wrong about people not looking at Vivax, not Vivax's alignment. | ||
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On August 28 2015 03:22 KelsierSC wrote: can you explain the +1 you did for rsoultins post? At the time I thought JAT was town for defending against Palmar, and Palmar was just had an extremely flimsy read on him. I agreed with what Rsoultin said about it being ridiculous that the only thing JAT had done was the Trfel thing, because leaning on that the entire game wont get him anywhere. Clearly, one needs more from a player to discern their alignment. That's why I pushed him later to give reads and be productive, because complaining to Palmar and sticking with the Trfel read isn't making me read him town. | ||
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On August 28 2015 03:30 Palmar wrote: I think CC is town but I don't have strong feelings about it. Please give me your updated read on JAT, considering his most recent read posts. | ||
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On August 28 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Just a revised list. Town circle: palmar, marv, kelsier, cheesecake, wave, rsoultin Town lean: visceraeyes Null: vivax would lynch: justanothertownie, hopeless, trfel, boxerfred, deconduo Note that in every game I've played one mafia does make it in to my townie circle but the other 2 should be in the null/would lynch categories. Not fond of lynching inactives right now like hopeless/boxer/decon so i'd like to settle between JAT/trfel while vivax is a big ??? for me. I'm expecting more from boxer/decon as well while I've given up hopeless as a hopeless case (puns). I'd like JAT's thoughts on Trfel in particular. okokok? On August 27 2015 11:05 MoosyDoosy wrote: hmm...ok. Not lynching Cheesycakes today or D2 unless something radical comes up. I'd like reads from Trfel~~ Literally next post: On August 28 2015 04:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##unvote ##vote Mr. Cheesecake This confirms Moosy as mafia unless I'm missing something | ||
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Then someone needs to explain why moosy put me in his town circle, said he wasnt going to lynch me day 1 / 2 and then votes on me for no reason. | ||
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On August 28 2015 06:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Moosy you really need to explain that vote before I get you lynched You literally quoted that post. C'mon Rsoultin. | ||
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On August 28 2015 06:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: Mr. CC u worry me. why? | ||
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I was townreading him until he suddenly defied everything he's said thus far about me | ||
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You still need to answer why you changed your read on me so suddenly. Please, if you're town, do it. | ||
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On August 28 2015 06:58 Palmar wrote: I fell asleep and now it's too late I think. Why did we go with these two over Vivax? bf is being completely unapologetic about being afk (and voting jat) and hopeless is... idk. actually I think I'll switch to hopeless. I have no idea honestly, but I kinda doubt that either of them is mafia. Because you werent here to guide us. | ||
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So I was townreading Moosy for most of day 1, but these are the things that give me pause concerning his end of day behavior. There are a few things I could say about his day 1 play being mafia indicative, but I forgot them when I began townreading him. On August 27 2015 11:05 MoosyDoosy wrote: hmm...ok. Not lynching Cheesycakes today or D2 unless something radical comes up. I'd like reads from Trfel~~ On August 28 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Just a revised list. Town circle: palmar, marv, kelsier, cheesecake, wave, rsoultin Town lean: visceraeyes Null: vivax would lynch: justanothertownie, hopeless, trfel, boxerfred, deconduo Note that in every game I've played one mafia does make it in to my townie circle but the other 2 should be in the null/would lynch categories. Not fond of lynching inactives right now like hopeless/boxer/decon so i'd like to settle between JAT/trfel while vivax is a big ??? for me. I'm expecting more from boxer/decon as well while I've given up hopeless as a hopeless case (puns). I'd like JAT's thoughts on Trfel in particular. okokok? Next posts are: On August 28 2015 04:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##unvote ##vote Mr. Cheesecake On August 28 2015 04:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm up for shennanies on Trfel/Vivax/Mr. Cheesycakes What? So Moosy claims to have a townread on me, put me in his town circle, claim he will never lynch me day 1 / 2, and then proceeds to vote on me with no explanation in-between. It's like he forgot he was even townreading me. The rest of his play (the troll vote switches, etc) make little sense as either alignment so I won't attempt to discern the motivation behind it. On August 28 2015 06:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'd like to wait on Trfel/Vivax, I town tone read decon, which leaves us with Boxerfred/Hopeless/CC. I'm fine with lynching any of these three tbh. Then suddenly Moosy wants to wait on Trfel/Vivax for no reason. Moosy needs to explain this day 2 or become lynched. On August 28 2015 07:10 MoosyDoosy wrote: ...i relaly didn't expect this Fake. His behavior for the remainder of N1 has been bleh. Wave I still don't know. His sheep of Palmar, admittance of not reading Palmar's reasons for wanting to lynch JAT but still calling Palmar's read 'pretty good', giant filter-case only after I continually prodded him to do so only to reach the conclusion that the situation on JAT is different than what he assumed, but he is still going to sheep Palmar... It's so weird. Who does these things as town? Who does these things as Mafia? At end of day he's the first to vote boxer--does mafia want to be the first on the wagon? Probably not. I'm just going to concede my read on him as null, and I'd vote him tomorrow. I would not be opposed to a vig shot on him. Vivax I think vivax began being reasonable about halfway through his filter, but I still don't enjoy the first page. He makes a decent point able Trfel: On August 28 2015 05:14 Vivax wrote: Another reason for lynching Trfel: He sheeped his town lean over marv/Palmar on his scumlean, and he didn't even mention me previously. He had a total of 3 options here and he chose to vote for me on a whim without even mentioning me in his big post. Which is also a reason I wanted to lynch WoS. I think he needs to be more active day 2. JAT He is probably just town. He actually began doing things after I asked him to. His read on me is wrong, and mostly for TMI/too clean posts, which I find most people are incorrectly pinging me out for. I think tons of people were willing to jump on the JAT wagon too early and it made me wary of the entire prospect of lynching him. I dont necessarily agree with the giant filter-cases he's given day 1; I just think the effort involved in created those cases is more indicative of town as opposed to scum. Hopeless Vig him. That said, he is probably just town and the wagons yesterday were both town. Him flipping does give us a lot of information, however. If Hopeless is mafia then ee would know that mafia are more likely to vote on Boxerfred early. If he's town, we know that mafia have no preference as to where the vote lands. VE I have no idea why I am leaning town for him now. Especially considering most of the game is scumreading me for questionable reasons and he made a giant waffle post about me re: wave case. Otherwise, I've been enjoying his pressure on Palmar and I largely agree with the reasons for most of his mafia reads (he is suspicious of Palmar, which I am as well, but probably won't get him lynched tomorrow, agree on Trfel and Moosy is being extremely weird) Because of that, he is probably town right now. Decondou Also a good vig shot and would-lynch. The entirety of his game so far has been terrible. On August 27 2015 03:39 deconduo wrote: ##Vote: MoosyDoosy On August 27 2015 03:44 deconduo wrote: Hey, stop being nice. I want to tunnel someone  Largely sarcastic early-game with no real follow up. He has yet to justify the following reads on moosy and kels: On August 28 2015 03:05 deconduo wrote: I'm pretty sure Kesier and Moosy are town. I like the cases against Hopeless and the trfel more than the one against JAT at the moment. I'm gonna read a bit more and make a decision. The rest of his play has been to attempt to bury Hopeless during the final minutes of the day, and disappear once BF flips. Of course, knowing Hopeless' alignment would help us out tremendously here. Also, I think if JAT is mafia, Decondou is probably his partner with the way he dismissed the JAT case. KSC I will say that he has been on my side most of this game. He is one of the only people townreading me. When I ping out wave, he is right there to support the pressure against wave. When I point out Moosy's terrible vote on me, KSC takes note of it and pressures Moosy to explain. He offered to lynch Vivax with me. We were on the same side of the Hopeless lynch. And yet, when I ask him to talk about Wave and present a little bit of conjecture on the matter, he responds: without commenting on my post. I think KSC might be mafia attempting to pocket me by defending me and going after the scumreads I have which are incorrect. I think he's in a position where he can justify to lynch almost anyone in the game. Look at this post: On August 27 2015 21:20 KelsierSC wrote: List time Town Rsoultin - Tone read and her attitude to the game feels towny to me, interactions with JAT, myself, Trefl etc. despite her best attempts she has been very reasonable. Marv - I like his interaction with palmar early in the day and the way his reads have progressed has felt town. Palmar - I was a bit skeptical of palmar because his play has been to just push JAT, but i've seen a few posts I like that make me think he's town. and his chats with marv. leads to Trefl - Same reasons as palmar I like a few of the posts. He was the first person to really dive into the game and question VE. Plus I agreed with his meta read on Hopeless. CC - I just really like to read when he writes it makes me tingle. In terms of his reads I agree with the point he raised initially about JAT, VE - I had a mindmeld with him about moosy early on, . I liked his concern about palmar/marv . overall just agreed with a lot of his thoughts. Scum Wave - This comes down to a few points. One is his reentry to the thread saying oh yeh JAT is mafia but I can't get a further read because palmar is pushing him, it feels like trying to absolve himself of rseponsibility if the lynch is bad. The second point is how he tries to point out that moosy is pocketing him. he then wants to get moosy's thoughts and responds thusly. ok what did he make of all of moosy's actions? which is not true at all, Moosy had posted like a whole other page of stuff including changing his vote and giving a list of reads, feel like wave should be more invested than that. overall it just feels like he is happy to lynch JAT without commital whilst throwing suspicion at moosy. Hopeless - CC and Trefl made the best points about this. I totally agree Vivax - I trust Rsoultin on this one, he has done absolutely nothing except ask a few weird questions nulls moosy - I don't see mafia moosy going "hey scum buddy wave help me out" but moosy has been very inconsistent however he has inserted himself into most points of the game and tried to question/give opinions...i generally have a low tolerance for inconsistincies and I think moosy may be... confused town if that makes sense. About JAT So the main thing about him right now is that he "hasn't done anything" well a couple of things here if you look through his filter you actually do see things, he didn't like wave and made points about him he didn't like trefl later on in teh day when trefl was completely missing sarcasm/jokes. he was pushing things. the apparent obstinance is because of palmar's fuck you you're mafia. I'd want to see more from JAT as things go on but I don't think he has been scummy. bf and decon - unaware of meta but AFK is shitty, i thought bf was a tryhard but...see what they do The townreads seem pretty impermanent, though I can't blame him because I don't think I have a solid 100% town read this game yet. The townreads are loosly based on non-specific information like this "felt town" "few posts that make me think he's town" and "I like the way his reads have progressed" which are all extremely vague and can be double-backed on, reinforced, and frankly easily made-up as mafia. His scumread on Hopeless actually SITES me as a reference. What? He said that I made good points about Hopeless-presumably that he was mafia. I never made any points up until that concerning Hopeless being mafia. I literally said these posts: On August 27 2015 11:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Decondou and boxer are more scummy than Hopeless, if you want to talk about people that have a few posts. The info about hopeless is literally all OGI and irrelevant to this game imo On August 27 2015 11:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Okay, so Hopeless is demoralized due to his last scum game and doesn't want to post. Or, he could just as easily be busy with whatever it is Hopeless does in his non-mafia time. Or he's town and just has no reads. Or he's just plainly disinterested in this game as either alignment, and is waiting to blow our minds. When his actual content within the realm of this game matches the game you've posted, then I will consider the information valuable. both of which give a null read on him, and chastise Trfel for giving meta on Hopeless when he'd not even posted up to that point in the thread. KSC clearly did not read my posts. How could he think both Trfel and I have good points when Trfel attacks Hopeless and I dismiss Trfel's claims? I'm extremely wary of KSC and would like to see him die right now. I also think Trfel could easily be scum wit KSC. If you're looking for a standalone Trfel read, It's simply kinda scummy for no specific reasons given and I'd like to lynch him. I'm reserving judgment on Palmar and Marv. Hopefully if they are town either of them dies in the night and makes the game easier to figure out. Rsoultin is probably town. So right now kill Hopeless / Decondou for obvious reasons, KSC / Trfel can probably get lynched as well. Wave's on the line with vivax/VE above him. | ||
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On August 29 2015 02:40 WaveofShadow wrote: CC do you make posts like that as town? 2 year ago probably not. Now? Yes. If you're talking about my mega post that is. | ||
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Except Marv but he's already agreed to ignore me. | ||
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On August 29 2015 02:47 WaveofShadow wrote: The fact that people somehow still think I could be scum this game is either a testament to my incredible scumplay or there are a shit ton of bads in this game. I'm thinking maybe both actually. You know, I was thinking the same thing about myself. | ||
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On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote: Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care. I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post. | ||
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On August 29 2015 04:47 MoosyDoosy wrote: rite. And i'm scummy for my own waffling on you. kk coolio buddy You're scummy for giving absolutely no reason for scumreading me when you previously put me in your hard town list. | ||
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On August 29 2015 04:56 Vivax wrote: You said literally he would be mafia and not bad town back then. This just looks like you backpedaling on what you said. You implied the entire jat tunnel was a reason in itself for somebody to be scum, marv said that Palmar doesn't do fake pushes, then you said "this means Palmar is mafia" (your former townread). Yet there is no sign of that being your belief throughout the rest of the filter. I go over a bunch of possibilities in my head. I initially read Palmar town for reading Rsoultin as town very early on just like I had. I figured he was town coming to a similar conclusion despite his reasons for it. Palmar could have been doing a fake push, and that read was mostly sarcastic (though I wish it were true). Palmar could totally be mafia for pushing onto JAT for bad reasons, but there is no way I can know that for sure. I think you're playing entirely onto how confident my posts sound tone-wise. Focusing on my read on Palmar is entirely nit-picky. I am clearly attempting to figure out this game, moreso than 90% of people. | ||
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Then why are you mafia buddying me? You just defended me against Vivax, and you've been doing this all game. | ||
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That's true. But in my experience mafia are more likely to defend me than town are, especially given that most people have been terribly scumreading me this game. | ||
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On August 29 2015 05:40 marvellosity wrote: I still don't understand how you made this conclusion with any confidence, when the other option is that a mafiaPalmar simply townread rsoultin. Especially given your reasons were different. boggles my mind tbh Look. There were like 3 pages in the game. I'm reading. I think Rsoultin is town. One of Palmar's first post is that Rsoultin is 2% mafia, so I think "hey, we're on the same wavelength here, he might be town". You're acting as if I'm putting my 100% god faith in that Palmar is town because of this. I do not. It was one early game read that I felt comfortable jumping into the day with because it was true. Doesn't matter how illogical anyone else thinks it is, it was true. | ||
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Or you are mafia and know I'm town. | ||
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On August 29 2015 05:44 marvellosity wrote: while missing half the thread which was palmar and my conversation about it it is all very weird. I figured she was towny from being excited and ready to get into the game. I agreed with Palmar's 1) point b.c. JAT's entrance was pretty lackluster, i dont think I ever said it though. | ||
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On August 29 2015 05:49 KelsierSC wrote: or i have reasons to town read you, good talk Explain how Trfel and I had the best ideas about Hopeless being mafia, and that's why you were scumreading him. | ||
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On August 29 2015 05:52 rsoultin wrote: meh i ignored this the first time cause everyone who doesn't know me tends to either read me town (cause they're not aware of what i'm capable of) or can't comprehend my posts at all and call it shit posting. but maybe i shouldn't have. if you thought i was town so quickly, why would it be surprising to you for anyone else to, and why would that speak to their alignment at all? I figured mafia would not be so quick to claim that you were town. It would be pretty easy to interpret most of your posting as, so you say, shit-posting and being mafia indicative. After all, you just poked people with sticks and gave some meager reads. I read that as towny excitement. Mafia can easily skew that to be useless filler. I don't understand what the big deal is. Palmar came up with the same tentative conclusion I did early on about your alignment. Regardless of his reasons (which seemed OK), his train of thought seemed townie because it was similar to mine. | ||
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Because I read it differently? | ||
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Like, it's starting to get me angry that everyone is simultaneously scumreading me for "clean posts/TMI/to good to be town" while also stating that some of my thought processes are illogical. Those two can't go together, it's either one or the other. Because if I am adhering to my 2 yr old scum meta and having very clean posts, then I have very few flaws in my logic because I'm making up stuff that is believable. I'm town. I try to make what I'm thinking (no matter if it actually makes sense to you guys or not) visible, because I'm being truthful. I'm clearly attempting to figure out the game through whatever avenues I can, and there is nothing more towny than that. | ||
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On August 29 2015 06:01 rsoultin wrote: i guess what i'm getting at here is you are basically saying that you consciously saw something that could be interpreted as either excitement or shit-posting, and simultaneously avoided the "this is shit-posting" pitfall not knowing me from adam while deciding that scum would push me for that, so anyone townreading me must be town? i just...don't get this line of thinking What's the problem? Mafia can easily interpret spastic excited things as shit-posting and get others to believe it. Mafia have little reason to immediately townread a person like because it reduces their mislynch options. Could Palmar have given you a super townread early as mafia? Sure. Totally. But I thought it was more likely that he either keeps silent about it or twists excitement into shitposting. | ||
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On August 29 2015 06:12 rsoultin wrote: tldr you have no explanation. gotcha my problem is gut reads or not, the read progression is odd. i don't care when people demonstrate they don't think logically, but you don't seem to have that problem The read progression IS NOT ODD. I townread Palmar for townreading someone I thought was town early in the day. Same thoughts = same alignment, right? It's not GOSU logic but it's what I was thinking after reading the thread for 10 minutes | ||
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On August 29 2015 06:15 WaveofShadow wrote: I have never scumread you for TMI/clean posts. And the only thing I thought about your 2-year-old scum meta is that it is possible for you to be playing like this as either alignment. I should also note that in your 2-year-old scum meta you also got VERY angry by the end of that game because despite trying very hard there was nothing you could do. I used to get very angry as town, too. There was this one game I had a redcheck on VE, but he was framed. Oh man. Not saying you have scumread me for TMI/clean posts, but a lot of people have and are juxtaposing it with not being totally logical at all points.It makes no sense. | ||
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On August 29 2015 06:16 justanothertownie wrote: I think this is going in circles by now and only helps CC if he is mafia. His explanation for his reads is totally viable and fine. The actual problem is that he is giving all these easy townreads in the first place and not necessarily his reasoning. Where is there no reasoning for my townreads early on? I don't necessarily believe in them any more (i.e. Palmar), I have clearly been giving my reasoning for townreading people since early on. You are actually lying. | ||
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You are literally saying that I'm giving townreads, but I'm not giving the reasoning behind them. I said in my first post of the game that Palmar was town because he townread Rsoultin, and I said that Rsoultin was town because she was excited. | ||
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On August 29 2015 06:24 justanothertownie wrote: No, I am literally saying that the fact that you are giving out the townreads is the problem and not your reasoning for them. Oh, I see. The game is statistically much more town than mafia day 1, it's far more likely that most of the people I encounter are just town. If I can round up a few guys that are more likely town, then I know who to look at by process of elimination. | ||
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Lynching Hopeless probably just leads to him being town because he's bad (aka BF lynch), and then we are even further behind in this game. If hopeless is mafia we likely need to lynch outside of him. Palmar is playing outstandingly terrible and should be lynched before this game is over. Kelsier might be mafia attempting to pocket me this entire game, or the only relatively sane townie in this game. His favoritism towards me makes it hard to read him. If I flip I sincerely hope people will reevaluate his intentions. Of all the people that pushed on me (re: entire game), I think Vivax comes off looking the scummiest. His post about my Palmar read early in the day felt forced to post and it was very lame. I've been posting tons of content for people to read and he nitpicks about one of my reads that hasn't developed. VE is yet another person who has sheeped the bad scumread on me, despite having me in his townlean circle last night and listing 4 other people as mafia. Somehow, I've become his number 1 scumread today for something I did earlier on day 1, BEFORE his reads post. Moosy's gutread on me is still outstanding and bad, but tbh that probably just makes him town because he never even tried to justify it meaningfully, where mafia would at least come up with some excuse. Trfel probably doesn't just say he thinks hopeless is town and we shouldn't lynch him as mafia. If hopeless is mafia, obviously that makes him look bad. If hopeless is town, then he should want to get him lynched. so lynch into VE/vivax/palmar/kels | ||
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On August 30 2015 08:35 MoosyDoosy wrote: Edit: He is also an Oprah with his town reads early on in the game when he is Mafia. So because I am astute and had early town reads I am mafia? | ||
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On August 29 2015 21:35 Vivax wrote: Revisiting D1 I notice that the stuff around Trfel missing the sarcasm in BF's post provokes curious cause different reactions in the CC/Jat/me triad. CC hard townreads JAT. + Show Spoiler + On August 26 2015 22:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Jat is town because he didn't just fall over to Palmar's pressure. He defended his position on the Trfel read and called it the most relevant thing in the thread. But the same thing with Trfel left him with a "back and forth" on him, while for both me and jat it felt like it appeared to have more weight than just that. On the other hand for me it didn't feel like that alone is a reason to TR jat. Same for him. But certainly I did find it noteworthy that we all noticed the same thing, with CC acting in the most different way. My main point remains the way CC says "Then Palmar is mafia" without following up on it, I still can't get over that. On top of it, he said that roughly 1 hour after Palmar put Trfel into the town pile. If I then assume CC's perspective, I see Palmar dismissing my point about Trfel, townreading him for reasons I don't know, scumreading my townread, and calling him mafia if the push is not fake. Why not do anything about this afterwards? The followup is a big post on Wave instead when I would expect way more suspicion on Palmar given the opposing opinions and the way he said he would be mafia for pushing Jat in case he's srs. I dont even know what Vivax is saying in the first few sentences. His only point on me is that I call Palmar mafia and don't follow up on it. Idk what the stuff is about Trfel, he doesn't have to do much with this other than that there was a JAT read on Trfel. I don't think I ever said anything about Palmar's read on Trfel. I actually agreed with Palmar when he debunked my point on townreading JAT, but Vivax totally misses this and doesn't bring it up. If the best Vivax has is that I didn't followup on the Palmar is mafia read, he's going to have to do way better especially when I agreed with Palmar on certain points after that post and began to want to lynch JAT if he didn't do anything. Because one finds other targets to pursue rather than one specific person does not make them mafia. It actually makes them more town for considering more than just one possibility. This filter-going of mine from Vivax feels the most forced out of anyone scumreading me. | ||
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On August 30 2015 09:32 Trfel wrote: Mr. Cheesecake, how late are you staying up tonight? Like 30 mins because I work tomorrow | ||
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On August 28 2015 02:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Also Palmar is playing very badly if he is town, he needs to reevaluate his top scumread pronto. If he comes to the same conclusion: fantastic, I just need the evidence he believes is noteworthy so I can actually read him town. Did Vivax miss this post? I've been pledging for him to reevaluate JAT / update his scumread. | ||
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On August 30 2015 10:03 Trfel wrote: The problem is that much of Vivax's filter feels like he's genuinely trying to solve the game. But his push on me feels scummy when you know my alignment grrrr | ||
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On August 30 2015 10:08 Trfel wrote: Sorry, it just annoys me when people criticize random things that I say and then completely ignore me when I'm trying to actually do something. Off for a while. +1000000 THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING TO ME ALL GAME IOWJ2J31IJ Also you are correct that some of Vivax's play looks like he's trying to solve the game (I.E. his pressure on you) it's just this push on me I know is incredible bad. | ||
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Vivax: I think ive had a lot more reserved, internal readings of Palmar than ive outwardly vocalized. I can understand why you dont see my read on him evolving, but focusing on that one read is not indicative of my alignment. Ive evaluated everyone as best i can thus far. Im actually more convinced of KSC being mafia than Vivax, but i dont have time ornthe computer to post here at work. | ||
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If i dont make it to deadline my legacy is lynch Kels and Palmar. I want to read trfel town so badly because of his analysis on my wagon, but it could just be mafia that knows im town. As far as i know palmar hasnt done a single thing today and should be lynched for it. Palmar could easily be with kels or even hopeless b.c. his vote was a throwaway at end of day. The next blueclaim will likely have to solve the game for us. | ||
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The upside to this is I can call marv bad postgame | ||
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And i never agreed with all of trfels logic. I agreed mainly with that scum are just sitting back and letting the lynch happen without proposing alternate candidates. | ||
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Trfel is probably town because his complaining about doing a bunch of a work and not having and responses to it feels genuinely town frustration. Palmar is scum because of his relative disinterest in the game. His contributions to the game arent what id expect from a town palmar. His push on JAT was pretty bad and his refusal to reevaluate the game after a day 1 mislynch and just call people mafia is infuriating, and shows no actual game solving attempt. Kels is scum because of his tentative day 1 list of reads which is horribly unspecific, especially the townlist part. Hes been buddying me all of day 1. His push onto wave can easily be a scum sheeping town on town pressure. He gave very thin reasons for.me being town. He hasnt reevaluated the game at all today just like Palmar. One of the other scum is probably either hopeless or someone more active like ve or vivax but they are playing pretty good. Moosy prolly town for day 1 claim of VT. I did the same thing he did when i looked at my role PM and i townread him cus i thought i was an investigator or cop too. Im not a role btw so domt expect a weird medic claim at eod. His flip flop read on me was never xplained.amd he would care.more about his image as mafia. Jat prolly town or something makes sense if palmsy is mafia. IM TOWN. THESE ARE MY READS. TAKE THEM AND LIVE MY LEGACY. Also vivax if ur town you should have waited longer to see if my palmar read developed before pushing me on it. It was like not even a day in gmae after my then palmar is mafia post. Also vote switching to Palmar. | ||
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On August 31 2015 01:29 Vivax wrote: I've already said that I don't. CC you will have to explain to me why you vote for me right after Trfel offers you a lifebelt in form of a case on me and a defense of you but when I'm around you start pushing suspicion on Palmar and Kelsier and even say that you think Kelsier is more likely scum when I'm entertaining that notion myself. Seems kinda contradictory to your intentions. I voted you WAY befre trfel. Get the facts straight | ||
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On August 31 2015 05:54 justanothertownie wrote: Maybe you would but that's WIFOM. True, just felt the need to say it though. | ||
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On August 31 2015 06:20 justanothertownie wrote: The biggest reason why I am evaluating not lynching CC is because I would feel really bad about mislynching him if he is town. Why would you feel bad? That seems more of a personal appeal (oh no, I lynched CC as town) instead of a mechanical one (Damn! We lynched town.) Is it because this is the first game after my haitus? | ||
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On August 31 2015 06:25 justanothertownie wrote: No, it is because unlike other people you are actually trying and part of my reason to lynch you is that you were too correct day1. I'm honored if this is the reason I get lynched, tbh. Despite how annoying that is. | ||
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On Trfel, the thing that gives me pause is the fact that he says? On August 30 2015 09:42 Trfel wrote: I sort of think you're town here. And by that I mean I do think you're town, but I haven't read your filter. I think I agree on Vivax being scummy. If anyone is staying up late tonight, I'd really appreciate having someone to work with, it gets quite lonely... I hate when people give me townreads for no reason | ||
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Problem is that I'm town, so it shouldn't make Trfel mafia. | ||
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On August 31 2015 06:40 Trfel wrote: WE ARE NOT LYNCHING PALMAR Why not? | ||
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I'M TOWN! | ||
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On August 31 2015 06:47 Trfel wrote: I will lynch Mr. Cheesecake instead of Palmar You seem sad, instead of confident that Palmar is townier than I am. What is that frowny face for? | ||
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On August 31 2015 06:52 Trfel wrote: Palmar is confirmed town, mason. ARE YOU ACTUALLY FKIN KIDDING ME | ||
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On August 30 2015 01:53 Palmar wrote: I am not a mason. If I was I'd seriously be doubting marv's claim because 4 cleared townies (or 3 townies + 1 scum) on day 2 is incredibly strong for town. Masons are almost as strong as 1 shot cops, possibly even stronger with the mutual confirmation. | ||
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Mafia is then between Kelsier / VE / Vivax / hopeless / moosy... | ||
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On August 31 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: On second thought, I think I quit this game. KelsierSC is likely mafia, which is nice because I've been suspicious of him for a while. Despite no one wanting to talk to me about him. Palmar is still town, which is nice because I've been townreading him for the entire game. Hopeless1der flipped town, which shows that my (eventual) townread on him was good. I thought it was good, but no one wanted to talk about him, so whatever. Still unsure about Mr. Cheesecake, but his emotions (as Palmar pointed out) seem quite towny. He really does seem invested in the game. Still think that deconduo is likely mafia, even though no one else wants to talk about him. Though this is sort of understandable, for now, anyway. Still think that Vivax could be mafia, despite no one wanting to talk about him. You guys can thank me post-game. I've already had a few controversial townreads confirmed to be correct. If you really want to ignore everything I'm saying, I can't stop you. missed that decondou is conf. town via marv cop | ||
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Then there's one between vivax/moosy/jat I can see any of them being mafia. Moosy is likely the town on that list, but really everyone's play to me just looks like "did not much D1, pushed me D2, voted palmar and hopeless at last second. All of those people who were voted yesterday in the world Palmar is mason are town. So, it's really tricky. We need to reevaluate JAT if Palmar is town for sure. But not today. Today we afk lynch Kelsier and see if the game continues. If no blue claims within the first 24 hours, then we can safely assume Palmar and Trfel are confirmed town unless BH really only made a nerfed cop as a singular blue role in a 13 player game, which is unlikely. | ||
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On September 01 2015 08:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: I want you to look at decon again and especially at Trfel's case on him. Looking at his behavior, it's definitely not outside of the ballpark that he could be Mafia. Immediately discounting that he's Mafia just because marv's check had to be very unlucky is not good play. I wont argue that his play has been abysmal / mafia indicative. Lynching a confirmed cops green check this early is even more terrible. I'm not reconsidering until final 3. | ||
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Are Masons allow to copy+paste logs? | ||
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On September 01 2015 11:41 Trfel wrote: That suggestion also came from Mr. Cheesecake, and it's extremely stupid. We are either both masons, or both mafia, but either way we have a QT together. I'm not allowed to post time stamps, give me a few minutes and I'll look up the first post in each phase. That didn't come from me. | ||
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On September 01 2015 12:01 MoosyDoosy wrote: Man, call me tunneled but I just can't help but feel chills over Mr. CC. Cheesycakes. What do you think of Trfel/Palmar vs Vivax situation. Which claim do you believe in right now. Is there any world where there is a 1-shot cop, mason pair, and tracker or w.e. vivax is? | ||
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On September 01 2015 12:30 MoosyDoosy wrote: The game shouldn't be as easy as this. I'd like it to be. | ||
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What does Vivax gain by fakeclaiming here? Maybe we mislynch one of the masons. And I think he just claims tracker or something as mafia instead of hiding it purposely. His purpose has to be lynching one of the masons.. right? It can't be a long-term plan because he needs a reason for being alive if mafia don't shoot him. | ||
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That said, KSC is still mafia and we should be lynching him. | ||
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##Vote: Vivax Mechanically best play. If town, the game automatically goes down to final three. If Vivax comes back and does some weird shit in the last hour or two do NOT take votes off him. The only thing we should pay attention to is if VE was lying or not about him visiting JAT N2. I only care about his words on this if he flips town. | ||
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On September 01 2015 08:51 Vivax wrote: The reason the mason claim is even LESS believable is that I'm blue myself. I'm not going to say what I am specifically until the next night is over as well. For now they clearly preferred getting rid of marv even though I hinted that I was blue during the night. ##Vote: KSC I'll pay more attention to the game again after this guy is dead. On September 03 2015 03:37 Vivax wrote: Ok I am veteran. I took bribes. I hoped they would shoot and RB me. And if you lynch me and there's a mafia vig which makes perfect sense with 2 masons and a veteran, and they probably also have a roleblocker, you lose the game tomorrow. Yeah, you tried to throw scum on the masons because you knew you were blue. Now you are saying that masons + your role makes perfect sense. | ||
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For posterity i'm going to switch my vote back to Kelsier, because either lynch is acceptable. | ||
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On September 03 2015 04:09 Vivax wrote: It seems that today logical thinking is turned off. With me being vet and marv being cop, it doesn't make sense for there to be two masons. BUT, with me being vet, VE claiming another role, and mafia most likely having a vigi to win the game after another mislynch, it makes sense for there to be two masons. The world you are trying to push is that you are the vet, marv was the cop, and there are two masons. So the world only does not exist unless VE claims? | ||
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However, Kelsier is the safest lynch today. If mafia are pulling shenannies then Vivax has a good point. Kels could just be the scum vigi. Either eay we know kels is confirmed mafia. Lynch him you fucks. | ||
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Also all of the blueclaims were fkin horrible this game besides marv. Palmar and trfel should have claimed d2. There is still a world in which they are mafia and vivax is the vet who random visited jat during the night and ve checked him. Kelsier is in every world boys... | ||
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On September 03 2015 04:16 Vivax wrote: No it's not reasonable cause that's like 5 confirmed townies when the cop checks a townie, which wouldn't be balanced without a mafia vig who we didn't see act last night. My point isthat you were assuming mafia didnt have any power roles like framer gf roleblocker rolecop etc for no reason. even if we didnt see double kp from a scum vig last night doesnt mean one didnt exist. | ||
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On September 03 2015 06:26 Palmar wrote: Vivax is confirmed mafia CC stop the bullshit bro. Maybe his shit is getting to me. Just ksc has claimed scum in thread and nobody lynch him makes me eery | ||
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On September 03 2015 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote: You keep saying I'm mafia then to try and get the lynch off Vivax you posit a world in which I'm town. Fucking got'em boys! Im going through every possibility. And dont call /my/ play shit when youve been calling me mafia for bad reasons since n1. Excuse me for being paranoid. I still think vivax is the likely scum here, just him bringing up the vigi thing makes some sort of sense. | ||
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On September 03 2015 06:33 VisceraEyes wrote: I never called your play shit bish, you're just calling /my/ play shit for no reason other than to discredit me and try and call me mafia. AND THAT SHIT ISN'T GONNA FLY CHEESE I DON'T CARE HOW SEXY YOU ARE!! The only reason you may be town is because of your claim. I was reading you scum up until that point. | ||
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On September 03 2015 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't care what you were reading me, I've been town all game. Before, during AND after my claim. Same here. Ive been town all game and yet the only person to never want me lynched is trfel. And ksc, but he had to stick with his townread on me because he hasnt played in a week. | ||
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So we lynch KSC. Then probably VE. If the game still continues (I.E. VE is actually the tracker) then JAT is confirmed town and then we lynch one of moosy and decondou. I can also see a team of JAT/vivax/VE but that requires KSC not being mafia which is impossible. | ||
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On August 30 2015 07:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: The paranoia of the scumcake is setting in full force. You guys are going to need better accusations than unspecific gutreads and the whole too townie to be town thing, juxtaposed with slight incoherence in my reads. I'm confirmed town by the fact that everyone in the game has wanted to lynch me for bad reasons except for Kelsier, although by his most recent post you can tell he is going to vote me despite having townread me for the entire game. Lynching Hopeless probably just leads to him being town because he's bad (aka BF lynch), and then we are even further behind in this game. If hopeless is mafia we likely need to lynch outside of him. Palmar is playing outstandingly terrible and should be lynched before this game is over. Kelsier might be mafia attempting to pocket me this entire game, or the only relatively sane townie in this game. His favoritism towards me makes it hard to read him. If I flip I sincerely hope people will reevaluate his intentions. Of all the people that pushed on me (re: entire game), I think Vivax comes off looking the scummiest. His post about my Palmar read early in the day felt forced to post and it was very lame. I've been posting tons of content for people to read and he nitpicks about one of my reads that hasn't developed. VE is yet another person who has sheeped the bad scumread on me, despite having me in his townlean circle last night and listing 4 other people as mafia. Somehow, I've become his number 1 scumread today for something I did earlier on day 1, BEFORE his reads post. Moosy's gutread on me is still outstanding and bad, but tbh that probably just makes him town because he never even tried to justify it meaningfully, where mafia would at least come up with some excuse. Trfel probably doesn't just say he thinks hopeless is town and we shouldn't lynch him as mafia. If hopeless is mafia, obviously that makes him look bad. If hopeless is town, then he should want to get him lynched. so lynch into VE/vivax/palmar/kels This post D2 when everyone is voting me may be 100% correct except for Palmar, but he was blue so that's forgivable! And decondou if that quote of yours from VE checks out, GG scumteam. | ||
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On September 01 2015 23:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Because he claimed blue so I wanted to see if he was carrying KP for his team. Evidently he was not. So he's either not mafia or a mafia role who was not carrying KP, take your pick. I prefer the former because if I were mafia and I had a role, I'd be carrying the KP to minimize exposure to the team. Maybe I'm biased because I'm a tracker so I'm considering trackers in my play, but it just seems logical that if Vivax is mafia who has claimed blue, that he'd be carrying KP - and he wasn't. Vivax was only vocally suspicious of the mason pair last night. He NEVER claimed blue until after the day post. VE is LYING and is MAFIA. Nice attempts at lynching me, scummers. | ||
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On September 03 2015 07:50 deconduo wrote: Yup. A Vivax VE JAT scumteam is a small possibility however. But then VE's claim makes even less sense as he could just sit back and let KSC get lynched today. Actually yes, this is perfect as well. I was thinking about that and forgot. GG. Scum outed themselves when Kelsier became confirmed and had to lynch the mason pair to win. To be fair, they could have conceded to lynching Kelsier and attempting to get a mislynch on myself, Moosy, or JAT. | ||
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On September 03 2015 08:09 Palmar wrote: VE/KSC is the overwhelmingly likely solution to the game at this point. And scum can't complain that KSC lost them the game. We had friggen BF and Hopeless mislynch bait on our team!!! | ||
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On September 03 2015 11:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: I wonder who Mafia kills though. 100% Palmar. Have to subdue that ego somehow. | ||
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On September 04 2015 01:04 KelsierSC wrote: Don't know what to think I think it's time to concede. | ||
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VE is confirmed mafia because he lied about why he claimed to check vivax. Vivax never claimed blue till yesterday but VE claims he checked him because Vivax claimed during the night. Also cop tracker and masons seems OP when the town has 3 mislynches instead of 2. KSC is mafia because of all the reasons given prior. Mafia vivax has to out and attempt to get masons lynched because the afk vote was on KSC. Vivax can just not claim and ride the votes to a town mislynch if ksc were town. JAT is spewed town in any world, which means palmar was wrong d1 and i was right. I am happy with this result. | ||
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On September 04 2015 14:24 VisceraEyes wrote: For the sake of arguement, I don't think KSC is mafia by virtue of everyone in the game calling him mafia but me, and I know I'm town, which means that mafia are either bussing or he's town. For anyone who is saying me "lying" about why I checked Vivax, I saw something that I thought was a soft claim, so I checked him. I never lied, that's a gross exaggeration of what happened. He didn't expressly claim a role until that day, but he said something like "but mafia will probably shoot me" the night before or something, the night I checked him, so I checked him. I'm not mafia, I'm a town tracker, I don't give a shit about "balance" reasons making me mafia, anyone saying "balance" should go read any fucking game BH has hosted ever and then come in here and say "lolbalance". He never said anything about mafia shooting him. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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That "too clean/TMI" meta. There's like nothing I could say against people pushing that to lynch me; granted, two of them were scum. | ||
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